Waterproof walking trouser NOT over trousers
Graha...@fsmail.net
First post to this group so hello everyone.
I do quite a lot of walking, scrambling etc and wondered if the
following exists.
I've got a pair of berghaus over trousers which are pretty good but
unless its raining at the outset I rarely put them on coz its a pain to
get them out of the depths of my rucksack, and by the time you do your
soaking wet anyway.
Is there such a thing as a pair of breathable WATERPROOF walking
trousers which you can wear comfortably whether its wet OR Dry, don't
make you feel like your boiling to death in a plastic bag, which means
you don't have to have an additional pair of overtrousers and fit like
a normal pair of trousers.
TIA
Graham
Nick Mason
Peewiglet
Hi,
>I do quite a lot of walking, scrambling etc and wondered if the
>following exists.
>
>I've got a pair of berghaus over trousers which are pretty good but
>unless its raining at the outset I rarely put them on coz its a pain to
>get them out of the depths of my rucksack, and by the time you do your
>soaking wet anyway.
Try keeping them nearer the top of the sack? You'll be soaking the
contents of your sack as well, if you have to dig down to the bottom
when it rains.
>
>Is there such a thing as a pair of breathable WATERPROOF walking
>trousers which you can wear comfortably whether its wet OR Dry, don't
>make you feel like your boiling to death in a plastic bag,
I've never felt like that in good Goretex waterproofs. If you feel
like you're boiling to death in a plastic bag when you wear your
Goretex in the rain then it's likely that (i) your trousers are faulty
- send them back, or (ii) you've bought something towards the bottom
end of the range, which is waterproof but not particuarly breathable.
Also, though, Goretex waterproofs are not designed to be worn when it
isn't raining. If you wear them all the time then you're going to
sweat and have a condensation problem. You really need a windproof
layer to go on top of your wicking baselayer.
>which means
>you don't have to have an additional pair of overtrousers and fit like
>a normal pair of trousers.
Try softshell. There's lots of that sort of thing around these days.
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> Is there such a thing as a pair of breathable WATERPROOF walking
> trousers which you can wear comfortably whether its wet OR Dry, don't
> make you feel like your boiling to death in a plastic bag, which means
> you don't have to have an additional pair of overtrousers and fit like
> a normal pair of trousers.
Look at Paramo's waterproof stuff and Rohan Dry Essentials for some
contenders for that specification.
Though to be honest I prefer something like Tracksters which dry out as
fast as they get in drizzle and don't soak up too much water in heavier
rain short of really serious downpours. Why do I prefer that? Cooler,
less prone to collect mud and catch the wind, and more freedom of
movement. Cheaper too, even with the additional cost of overtrousers.
But the Paramo stuff does have a loyal following round here, though I
personally find it a bit too warm for nice days outside of winter.
Pete.
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Adrian Godwin
> Graha...@fsmail.net wrote:
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a pair of breathable WATERPROOF walking
>> trousers which you can wear comfortably whether its wet OR Dry, don't
>> make you feel like your boiling to death in a plastic bag, which means
>> you don't have to have an additional pair of overtrousers and fit like
>> a normal pair of trousers.
>>
>
Also, look back a few days in this group for threads called
'Winter Trousers' and 'Waterproof Trousers'.
-adrian
theo
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If I'm certain that it will stay dry throughout the day I wear cotton
zipp-off trousers (but don't zipp them off :-). If there's a possibility of
rain or if the ground is wet I wear my North face Goretex pants. Even on hot
days I don't sweat in them, unlike overtrousers that get wetter on the
inside then on the outside. And my NF pants don't get dirty quick.
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W. D. Grey
Graha...@fsmail.net writes
>Is there such a thing as a pair of breathable WATERPROOF walking
>trousers which you can wear comfortably whether its wet OR Dry, don't
>make you feel like your boiling to death in a plastic bag, which means
>you don't have to have an additional pair of overtrousers and fit like
>a normal pair of trousers.
If they still make them have a look at Rohan "Drybags" (or Dribags).
Cost about 70quid.Peculiar feel to the lining, but not a problem.
When a few years old and washed the tapes on the seams came adrift and
ended up in a ball. Probably due to incorrect washing procedure.
Good pants though.
--
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Peter Clinch
> If they still make them have a look at Rohan "Drybags" (or Dribags).
> Cost about 70quid.Peculiar feel to the lining, but not a problem.
The Dry Essentials have effectively displaced the Dry Bags for this
particular niche in the product line, AFAICT. I've not tried either, so
will not comment beyond their existence.
Graha...@fsmail.net
"you've bought something towards the bottom
end of the range,"
Nope they are good ones, very comfortable and breathable for
overtrousers but they are still overtrousers. Still have the problem of
Rain starts
Put clean over trousers on - not as comfortable as wearing 1 pair
Rain Stops
Put muddy overtrousers back in rucksack
Rain starts
Put muddy overtrousers back on
Rain stops etc etc.
"Try keeping them nearer the top of the sack?"
But then my sandwiches and pork pie are further down and harder to
retrieve.
Thanks again for those who suggested links, I'm off to check them out.
Peter Clinch
> Nope they are good ones, very comfortable and breathable for
> overtrousers but they are still overtrousers. Still have the problem of
>
> Rain starts
> Put clean over trousers on - not as comfortable as wearing 1 pair
> Rain Stops
> Put muddy overtrousers back in rucksack
Why not lash them to the outside? That way they're easier to get at and
don't get cack all over the contents.
But I find I use overtrousers a couple of times a year at most (I
depsise them for the most part). Many showers don't get you appreciably
wetter than good gear's rate of natural drying in any case, so o-ts can
be reserved for set-in and hard rain.
Graha...@fsmail.net
Checked out the web sites
Seen some reviews of the Paramo trousers, concensus seems to be very
good, slight tendency to slide down, some question over durability,
"don't sit on any rocks"
was one of the quotes.
Pricey though £110 - 140 mark!!
Can't find any reviews on the Rohan Dry Essentials, has anyone got a
pair are they any good? £79 seems a bit more reasonable
Gordon Burns
pay for a good pair of waterproofs, to go over what priced pair of trousers?
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Graha...@fsmail.net
would you
pay for a good pair of waterproofs, to go over what priced pair of
trousers? "
I agree entirely that its worth it, but what I'm wondering is what
does the extra £30 - £60 I'd have to pay for the Paramo trousers give
me over the Rohan Dry Essentials.
I haven't seen any reviews of the Rohans to be able to compare. One of
the review comments for the Paramos concerning lowish durability is
important if I'm going scrambling.
Gordon Burns
Remember, if you get a small hole in Paramo you can stitch it up, reproof
and away you go. For bigger holes Paramo provide an excellent repair
service. I assume that most of your scrambling will be done in summer months
when you won't be wearing Paramo. I've not yet got mine out of the wardrobe
for this winter, and wouldn't expect to for another month or so, I'm still
wearing my Montane "summer" pants.
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Peter Clinch
> I agree entirely that its worth it, but what I'm wondering is what
> does the extra £30 - £60 I'd have to pay for the Paramo trousers give
> me over the Rohan Dry Essentials.
I'd say it'll /probably/ give you a more breathable pair of trousers
given the waterproofing systems used in each. The Paramos will also
probably be a bit warmer from raw insulation point of view, which is a
two edged sword, of course.
> I haven't seen any reviews of the Rohans to be able to compare. One of
> the review comments for the Paramos concerning lowish durability is
> important if I'm going scrambling.
I've not yet heard anyone else complaining of Paramo stuff not being
durable, and one thing about it is it doesn't cease to be waterproof if
it's punctured, there's no seam tape to come off and tears don't need
expensive patching to render the garment waterproof again.
Scrambling only usually puts a lot of strain on stuff if it's the sort
that involves jamming or particularly abrasive rock. People go ice
climbing in Paramo gear without particular issues.
But I still prefer a pair of tracksters or fleece tights, let them get
wet and have them dry out afterwards again in a few minutes.
Peter Clinch
> service. I assume that most of your scrambling will be done in summer months
> when you won't be wearing Paramo.
This highlights a problem: I think the OP wants to be out in all seasons
and not need a separate pair of overtrousers. But the fact is you can't
get something for nothing, and if it were really possible to make a pair
of trousers with all the desirable aspects of the OP's usual pair, but
waterproof too, then the overtrousers market wouldn't exist!
Any membrane/coating waterproof system (like the Rohans, Goretex etc.,
but not Paramo) will be considerably less breathable and basically quite
a bit sweatier for a lot of people than a garment in any reasonably
technical but not formally waterproof outerwear material. Paramo is as
breathable as many such, but has an extra level of material about
thermally equivalent to a microfleece so it can be a bit on the warm
side in summer, as is suggested above by Gordon.
Gordon Burns
we'd all like it to be otherwise, in this country we all need separate
summer and winter outfits. Even buying overtrousers for winter use only
won't get away from the fact that winter trousers are just too hot for
summer use, and vice-versa with summer trousers. The gear needed for a July
day with the temperature in the 70's is totally different from that needed
in mid January when the temperature is -10 with a wind chill factor on top
of that. Unfortunately you do need more than one pair of trousers, or
restrict yourself to being out in just one of the seasons
This January I was on top of High Street and the temperature was 65F, and I
was in Paramo. Sweated like a pig. At the end of April I was back over there
and was in snow without the Paramo. Don't know of any gear that will cope
with all those sort of conditions.
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Peter Clinch
> I think this highlights the perennial problem about buying gear. As much as
> we'd all like it to be otherwise, in this country we all need separate
Indeed. I don't think either of us have a future in marketing... ;-/
alan.sloman
end of their days (I would suggest these are the perfect walking
trousers for all but the very horridest of weather - and then you slip
a pair of paclite o/t's over them until the worst has finished - they
work well beacause they are soft on the inside and wick away moisture
to a tough outersurface) and so I searched high and low for a
replacement that will do the job, as I hate walking in O/T's.
I THINK I have found a replacement - well I bought them so they will
have to do! Mountain Hardwear Dryskin trousers made from Schoeller
fabric. Another advantage of these is that I do not need to carry
'Hotel trousers' in my pack as the things actually look like trousers
in the restaurant and I don't look like Max Wall. I will still need my
O/T's though but they only weigh about 5 ozs! And glory of glories -
They have pockets! (Ten years of no trouser pockets!)
Peter Clinch
> And glory of glories -
> They have pockets! (Ten years of no trouser pockets!)
A mixed blessing in a walking trouser: it means they take longer to dry out.
Graha...@fsmail.net
seasons
and not need a separate pair of overtrousers."
I'm assuming I'm OP :-).
Nope I'm not looking for the panacea of all walking trousers that will
be fine in all temps/conditions, just a comfortable waterproof single
pair that will keep me DRY/warm in the winter when its much more likely
to lash it down for long periods and where the low temperature makes it
more uncomfortable to be soaking.
Its just that I find overtrousers a pain both to put on and
walk/scramble in.
Summer no probs I wear shorts and my skin is waterproof.
Dafydd Ap Arwyn
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2 options that I have gone for.
1. is the paramo trews (cascada). Brilliant, totally waterproof and
breathable. But too hot, so they come out about november to spring (rain or
no).
2. I bought a pair of Buffalo pertex trews, equimax i think they are, for
the rest of the year. While not 100% waterproof, they're as good as, and dry
quickly. Kept my arse dry when i sit on wet rocks too. Cost is low too,
about £50 or so (i got mine cheaper). I wear these if there's a good chance
of rain.
Failing that, i keep a pair of overtrews in the rucksac. Of course, they
stay there while i get wet as i too absolutely hate to wear 'em.
T Dave R
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>I'm assuming I'm OP :-).
OP = original poster.
>
>Nope I'm not looking for the panacea of all walking trousers that will
>be fine in all temps/conditions, just a comfortable waterproof single
>pair that will keep me DRY/warm in the winter when its much more likely
>to lash it down for long periods and where the low temperature makes it
>more uncomfortable to be soaking.
Well, the classic answer to that would be the Paramo Cascadas. I have
some (I wear both Paramo and Goretex) and I've found them to be very
comfotable and warm, and they've always kept me dry. The Paramo
Vientos (zip-offs) are not the same cut, and (ime) not as comfortable.
>
>Its just that I find overtrousers a pain both to put on and
>walk/scramble in.
Well, see if you can try on some Cascadas. You should be able to get
them for £90, really.
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clothing website, not leg lengths given for trousers.
The only ones I have ever found to fit me are Rohan which used to come in
unfinished lengths (I need 36 inch leg).
Anyone know of any other rohan bag type trousers in 36 inch leg that aren't
at such astronomical prices as Rohan?
Similalry boot manufacturer never give sizes in their ads ( I need 14s).
Normal sized walkers don't knowe they're born!
Gordon
>
>Nope I'm not looking for the panacea of all walking trousers that will
>be fine in all temps/conditions, just a comfortable waterproof single
>pair that will keep me DRY/warm in the winter when its much more likely
>to lash it down for long periods and where the low temperature makes it
>more uncomfortable to be soaking.
>
winter. Although they are warm in mild weather, and probably too
warm with gaiters worn over them, they have almost full length zips for
ventilation.
>Its just that I find overtrousers a pain both to put on and
>walk/scramble in.
>
That's why I got mine, but to be honest, if I have to mooch about
anywhere on foot in wet weather I wear the Paramos. To wear a
waterproof coat is fine, but the rain pours off and soaks ordinary
trousers.
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Graeme Cogger
alan....@ntlworld.com says...
it was a good idea, however :(
Because the Dryskin is far less stretchy I can't wear them 'skin tight'.
This means that, when they do get wet through (and they do get wet, much
more easily than I expected), they are far less warm than the
Powerstretch. You end up with cold wet material slapping against the
legs. The Powerstretch would stay still and remain warm due to being in
constant contact with the skin.
I have to admit that the Dryskin trousers were a big disappointment
given the number of people who rave about them. They're even less
breathable than I expected. I wonder if they're generally liked by
people who are used to trousers, rather than leggings?
Peter Clinch
> Anyone know of any other rohan bag type trousers in 36 inch leg that aren't
> at such astronomical prices as Rohan?
Rohan Bags... in one of their Sales! I've never paid full price
for a pair and must have bought about 10 over the years. Having
said that, even though they're my daily work wear I never wear them
for hillwalking, much preferring Tracksters or similar. As does a
6'8" friend.
> Normal sized walkers don't knowe they're born!
Said 6'8" friend finds that US shops are very good. REI does extra
tall sizes, for example. Our German and Dutch friends are
typically taller than us so you may do well to have a look there if
you have an opportunity.
druidh
I was a Ron Hill man until I came across Dryskin which I love - but only
for colder weather. I've not had the "cold-flappy" experience - but this
may be down to cut.
druidh
Peter Clinch
> I was a Ron Hill man until I came across Dryskin which I love - but only
> for colder weather. I've not had the "cold-flappy" experience - but this
> may be down to cut.
Probably. The Dryskin I have is for the torso of my salopettes where
it's a tight fit (it's a stretchy (mostly) windproof polartec variant
downstairs).
Before I got those I used Rohan's Super Salopettes and Super Striders,
which use a material quite like a heavy version of Dryskin. They're cut
close and move with my body, so there is no "cold flappy" on those. I
wouldn't buy Dryskin if it was a baggy cut. The current product is
thinner, stretchier and probably a little more breathable than the old
Rohan Multiflex (not the same as the new they use in teh Strider
jacket), so given that the Multiflex worked very well for freedom of
movement and breathability in a close fit (my original breeches were
described by a friend as "looking like a wetsuit" for fit) I'm surprised
that Dryskin would be found lacking in a similar application. Like
Druidh, I suspect it's the cut.
alan.sloman
Cartwright - someone should think about starting a website like
'backpackingcomfy.co.uk'....
I agree Druidh - the cut of my Mountain hardwear trousers is nice and
tight (shows off my bottom & thighs beautifully!) - in that loose
material would be their downfall.
It was just a shame I couldnt find powerstretch tights anymore (and
ones with pockets would be ideal) Still - the pack weight will be down
now, not having to carry hoteltrousers anymore!
Before the powerstretch tights I too used to have the old Rohan
Superstriders until I found that they must have shrunk around the
waistband...
ho hum
Alan
Peter Clinch
> It was just a shame I couldnt find powerstretch tights anymore (and
> ones with pockets would be ideal)
ME Powerfleece tights are remarkably similar, quite a bit cheaper and
also come in a salopette version for more wintery winter.
John Yale
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> Thought I'd check out the Paramo as never heard of it. Like virtually
> every clothing website, not leg lengths given for trousers.
>
At the bottom of this page
:http://www.paramo.co.uk/UK/acatalog/MensCascadaTrousers-16-43.html#
is a link "View Size Chart"
John
Peewiglet
wrote:
>Hi there Peewiglet - just been listening to your podcasts with Bob
>Cartwright - someone should think about starting a website like
>'backpackingcomfy.co.uk'....
Tee hee - what a great idea! Hmmm.... :-)
>I agree Druidh - the cut of my Mountain hardwear trousers is nice and
>tight (shows off my bottom & thighs beautifully!)
<fx: swoons....>
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Trevor
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yes...spotted that later..apologies to paramo!
Trevor
> Trevor wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of any other rohan bag type trousers in 36 inch leg that
>> aren't at such astronomical prices as Rohan?
>
> Rohan Bags... in one of their Sales! I've never paid full price for a
> pair and must have bought about 10 over the years. Having said that, even
> though they're my daily work wear I never wear them for hillwalking, much
> preferring Tracksters or similar. As does a 6'8" friend.
>
>> Normal sized walkers don't knowe they're born!
>
> Said 6'8" friend finds that US shops are very good. REI does extra tall
> sizes, for example. Our German and Dutch friends are typically taller
> than us so you may do well to have a look there if you have an
> opportunity.
>
Yes I too have bought at least 10 pairs of Rohan bags over the past 10
years, all in the sales.
They are so comfortable that I have a wardrobe with about 6 pairs of chinos
in, and they're all in pristine condition because they feel so hot and heavy
and uncomfortable to wear in an office (which is thankfully only one day per
week these days)..
..just have to keep watching for the Rohan salke..anyone know when the next
one is due?
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Trevor
Simon Caldwell
wrote:
>It was just a shame I couldnt find powerstretch tights anymore
I know it's a bit late, but Lowe Alpine do very good powerstretch
tights - just one rear pocket though.
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they have a really uncomfortable bulky seam on the inside leg. Mountain
Hardwear's were better as the seam was flat on the inside leg, but the
best of all were Calange's, whose seams were on the outside of the leg
- but unfortunaltey they do not make them any more! :-(
(Is there such a thing as a 'tights anorak', I wonder?)
Alan
Roy
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> Thanks for that Simon - the trouble with LoweAlpine's tights is that
> they have a really uncomfortable bulky seam on the inside leg. Mountain
> Hardwear's were better as the seam was flat on the inside leg, but the
> best of all were Calange's, whose seams were on the outside of the leg
Interesting that. I have a pair of Calange tights which I used to like a
great deal. I've just checked and the seams are on the inside. They were
always dead comfy though.
I find with advancing years that I'm turning into a bit of a stick man and
nothing is actually tight. One wag at work reckoned I was the only guy he
knew who made bags look baggy. I do prefer looser fits these days and in the
hunt for new trousers I have eventually plumped for Mammut Base Jump (one of
the few available in short lengths). They haven't however been thoroughly
tested yet so I can't really comment on wet weather performance. Mind you
I've never got particularly worked up about humidity in waterproofs - it's
just one of those things "up with which one has to put".
Roy.
Graeme Cogger
says...
> druidh wrote:
>
> > I was a Ron Hill man until I came across Dryskin which I love - but only
> > for colder weather. I've not had the "cold-flappy" experience - but this
> > may be down to cut.
>
> Probably. The Dryskin I have is for the torso of my salopettes where
> it's a tight fit (it's a stretchy (mostly) windproof polartec variant
> downstairs).
>
> Before I got those I used Rohan's Super Salopettes and Super Striders,
> which use a material quite like a heavy version of Dryskin. They're cut
> close and move with my body, so there is no "cold flappy" on those. I
> wouldn't buy Dryskin if it was a baggy cut. The current product is
> thinner, stretchier and probably a little more breathable than the old
> Rohan Multiflex (not the same as the new they use in teh Strider
> jacket), so given that the Multiflex worked very well for freedom of
> movement and breathability in a close fit (my original breeches were
> described by a friend as "looking like a wetsuit" for fit) I'm surprised
> that Dryskin would be found lacking in a similar application. Like
> Druidh, I suspect it's the cut.
>
> Pete.
>
home made). The material didn't seem stretchy enough to go for a figure
hugging design as per Powerstretch.
Of course, anyone who knows me will be recoiling at the thought of me in
figure-hugging gear :) Can you guess why I had to make my own? Let's
just say that it wasn't because the off-the-shelf ones were too big...