Bealach Na Ba/ Bealach Nam Bo
Chris Gilbert
it fell several centuries ago. Could our Gallic speakers care to enlighten me
as to the purpose and meanings of the different forms.
My guess is that it's plural and singular. The pass of the cattle/The pass of
the cow. Possiblement ?
If you've never been over the Bealach Na Ba then you've not lived. Well, you
get the gist.
Chris
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Michael Farthing
Chris....@FFS.Nottingham.ac.uk "Chris Gilbert" writes:
> My guess is that it's plural and singular. The pass of the cattle/The pass of
> the cow. Possiblement ?
As a very haphazard amateur it would be my translation.
bo is the plural of ba 'cow'
na is the genitive singular feminine form of the definite article
(except nouns beginning with a vowel when use na h-)
nan (sometimes nam) is the genitive plural form (either gender)
(choice between nan and nam depends on initial letter of following word)
bealach - pass [I do lessons in sucking eggs too]
For reasons best known to Gaels of yestermillenium the correct translation
seems to be "The pass of the cows" even though there is apparently no
definite article preceding the bealach. According to my crib, "MacLaren's
Gaelic Self-taught", the cows' definite article does for the pass as well
and it would be positively ungrammatical to give one to the pass too.
The logic appears to be that as it is the cows' pass it isn't any
old pass and so must be definite already. Quite how one says "a
pass of the cows" I don't know, though the Gaels have at least
two other methods of expressing possession.
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Chris Gilbert
>Quite how one says "a
>pass of the cows" I don't know, though the Gaels have at least
>two other methods of expressing possession.
Perhaps the confusion arises because 'Pass' is a singular and 'Cows' is
plural. To which noun one attributes the article might cause problems for
latter native speakers.
Would any Scots care to comment ?
Matt Schofield
>
> If you've never been over the Bealach Na Ba then you've not lived. Well, you
> get the gist.
>
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Yup, pretty good place to drive/ride over, and it takes you to
Applecross which is just brilliant!
This is definitely one road where your sig applies to everyone Chris.
Terar
Matt Schofield
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Chris Gilbert
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>Yup, pretty good place to drive/ride over, and it takes you to
>Applecross which is just brilliant!
What's the name of the pub again ? Sitting out overlooking the bay and supping
pints late into the long summer evenings. Bliss.
>This is definitely one road where your sig applies to everyone Chris.
He, he. Hadn't spotted that one. Cheers Matt :-)
Chri
Surfer!
And while you are there park at the top and walk round to climb the
Cioch Nose - first climbed by Tom Patey and Chris Bonnington. It seemed
quite easy at the time though I was rather fit in those days.
The view is probably fantastic, but the inside of one cloud is rather
like the inside of another. However there was that feeling of nothing
under the feet....
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>Chris Gilbert wrote:
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>> If you've never been over the Bealach Na Ba then you've not lived. Well, you
>> get the gist.
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>> Chris
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>Yup, pretty good place to drive/ride over, and it takes you to
>Applecross which is just brilliant!
>
>This is definitely one road where your sig applies to everyone Chris.
>
>Terar
>
>Matt Schofield
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Lachie Macquarie
<Chris....@FFS.Nottingham.ac.uk> writes
>I've just recovered a long lost postcard of the above from under my desk
where
>it fell several centuries ago. Could our
Gallic speakers care to enlighten me
>Is it not pronounced Garlic Speekers?
>My guess is that it's plural and singular. The pass of the cattle/The pass of
>the cow. Possiblement ?
>
>get the gist.
>
>Chris
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Matt Schofield
>
> What's the name of the pub again ? Sitting out overlooking the bay and supping
> pints late into the long summer evenings. Bliss.
>
Chris,
I'm glowing after that little reminder. That really does sum it up. When
we were there last June it really was that perfect. No clouds and a
gorgeous evening turning into a clear night with the moon reflecting off
the bay, and the silouette of the Cuillin Ridge behind. Wow.
As for the pub itself I think it's just called the Applecross Inn
Something else I found whilst trying to confirm the pub name:
http://www.tacitus.tierranet.com/diashow/dia40.htm
Chris Gilbert
>I'm glowing after that little reminder. That really does sum it up. When
>we were there last June it really was that perfect. No clouds and a
>gorgeous evening turning into a clear night with the moon reflecting off
>the bay, and the silouette of the Cuillin Ridge behind. Wow.
Stop it, You're going to make me cry :-)
>As for the pub itself I think it's just called the Applecross Inn
Hmmmmmm...sounds farmiliar. Should have paid more attention. We were there for
a week after all.
>Something else I found whilst trying to confirm the pub name:
>http://www.tacitus.tierranet.com/diashow/dia40.htm
Ha! Sums it up. I'd forgotten about that sign. I think it's at the turn off
the Shieldaig road isn't it ?
When I think about Applecross I worry. I worry that the lovely folk there will
stop making a living causing them and the settlement to end. I worry that
it'll become too touristified, spoiling what it is now and I worry that I'll
never get back there. Only the last one is in my power though.
Stuart Mann
Chris Gilbert wrote in message <7b5lrb$oap$1...@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>...
>
>When I think about Applecross I worry. I worry that the lovely folk there
will
>stop making a living causing them and the settlement to end. I worry that
>it'll become too touristified, spoiling what it is now and I worry that
I'll
>never get back there. Only the last one is in my power though.
>
>Chris
I worried about that when they started building the Kenmore road - early
seventies was it, or late sixties? The only way in then was over the
Bealach - and cars were far more prone to boiling than they are now! The
road had a reputation that tended to control the numbers of visitors. I'd
just learned to drive then but my dad wouldn't let me drive the car over
there! We stayed in Alligin (on the N shore of Loch Torridon) in those days
and the climb out of Diabeg on that road was, as I remember it, not for the
faint-hearted. On the way up once I met a Rover 90 coming down. Backwards -
all the way. He'd given up. Diabeg is the end of the road so he could still
be there.....
I've not been to Applecross in all the intervening years, though I have been
through Shieldaig a few times and am disappointed at the extent to which
that has changed. Please tell me that Applecross has not yet gone the same
way.
Who said nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
Alan Ashton
Alan Ashton, Ty'n-y-Ffridd, Llechwedd,
CONWY. LL32 8LJ
Halfway up Tal-y-Fan, lovely view of Blackpool Tower
>
>
>I worried about that when they started building the
Kenmore road - early
>seventies was it, or late sixties? The only way in
then was over the
>Bealach - and cars were far more prone to boiling than
they are now! The
>road had a reputation that tended to control the
numbers of visitors. I'd
>just learned to drive then but my dad wouldn't let me
drive the car over
>there! We stayed in Alligin (on the N shore of Loch
Torridon) in those days
>and the climb out of Diabeg on that road was, as I
remember it, not for the
>faint-hearted. On the way up once I met a Rover 90
coming down. Backwards -
>all the way. He'd given up. Diabeg is the end of the
road so he could still
>be there.....
Wasn't that road featured in a black and white film
comedy in the early fifties? It was on telly a few
years ago, I can remember bits, something to do with
the locals versus officialdom.
Alan
Nick Allen
>
>Wasn't that road featured in a black and white film
>comedy in the early fifties? It was on telly a few
>years ago, I can remember bits, something to do with
>the locals versus officialdom.
>Alan
>
The 1952 film was "Laxdale Hall" and featured Prunella
Scales as the local school teacher.
Nick Allen