Ventile jacket
Itzonlyme
really used it.
I had read so many great things about Ventile that I had no reason to doubt
its rainproof properties.
The Jacket was made by Bob England and is a fishing jacket.
Well today I went out for a slow walk in the rain and I was devastated to
find it leaked like a sieve.
The whole inner shoulder areas were just soaking wet.
It was not heavy rain, I was not sweating...just a slow walk.
I have only washed it on 40 degrees with pure soap once.... and dried it on
a hanger in a warmish room..
What I suspect is the original owner has washed it on 90 degrees and ruined
the waterproof qualities....then sold it on Ebay to me.
Its sad as all my adult life I fancied one but never got round to getting
one, and when I do...its no good.
As an after thought, has anyone reading this had the same problems and found
a remedy to retort the materials famous performance?
I will mail to Bob England and ask them about it just to hear what they say.
Regards Itzonlyme
John Lang Wilson
as for cotton.
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Itzonlyme
As you say Ventile is just cotten.....but when buying I thought the whole
point in Ventile was its total lack of any proofing.
In my case, the jacket is clearly not performing as it should leaving me no
choice (and nothing to lose) by "Proofing" it with a modern proofer.
If there is next time..I will buy new and care for it properly.
thanks
Alan
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Paul Saunders
> I had read so many great things about Ventile that I had no reason to
> doubt its rainproof properties.
> Well today I went out for a slow walk in the rain and I was
> devastated to find it leaked like a sieve.
As I understand it, the whole essence of Ventile is that it is
breathable when dry but waterproof when wet. The catch is though, that
it has to get wet to become waterproof. The cotton is very tightly
woven, so when it gets wet the cotton expands and then prevents water
from getting through, but it has to get wet in order to do this!
I remember Survival Aids offering a Ventile jacket for sale many years
ago. It was double layer Ventile, the reason they explained, was that
the outer layer becomes wet and thus waterproof, whilst the inner layer
protects you from the wet outer layer. It was very expensive though.
I later considered buying a cheaper Ventile jacket, but decided not to
when I noticed that it was only a single layer jacket, so I'm guessing
that's what your is. So your jacket is probably working, you just need
an extra layer of something to protect you from the wet layer.
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> Hi John,
> As you say Ventile is just cotten.....but when buying I thought the
> whole point in Ventile was its total lack of any proofing.
>
> In my case, the jacket is clearly not performing as it should leaving
> me no choice (and nothing to lose) by "Proofing" it with a modern
> proofer.
>
> If there is next time..I will buy new and care for it properly.
>
> thanks
>
> Alan
Taken from the following site.
http://outside.away.com/gear/gearguy/200309/20030905.html
"Ventile's chief attributes are its soft hand, windproof quality, and high
breathability. It works great in cool-to-cold, dry conditions. It's also
fine when it's cold and snowy out. But it works less well when it's raining,
for instance. The stuff has good water repellency, but in time it will start
to absorb water. When that happens, a jacket made of Ventile quickly becomes
a heavy, soggy mess that can take days to dry. I used to joke that my
Ventile jacket had the water repellency of a sponge: Meaning, it could
absorb only so much."
I would probably just waterproof it with TX10 or similar.
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John Lang Wilson
from "Paul Saunders" <pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> I remember Survival Aids offering a Ventile jacket for sale many years
> ago. It was double layer Ventile, the reason they explained, was that
> the outer layer becomes wet and thus waterproof, whilst the inner layer
> protects you from the wet outer layer. It was very expensive though.
> I later considered buying a cheaper Ventile jacket, but decided not to
> when I noticed that it was only a single layer jacket, so I'm guessing
> that's what your is. So your jacket is probably working, you just need
> an extra layer of something to protect you from the wet layer.
That makes sense Paul. I've just looked at my Double Ventile Jacket and,
contary to what I thought, the label says nothing about proofing so my
earlier Post may be wrong. Certainly in use, the whole thing tends to
become stiff when really wet as the fibres expand.
I think that Ventile was originally produced for it's windproof
properties and that the waterproofing is a secondary property. I
coveted one when I was young and was only able to get hold of one in my
maturity.
I also have a single layer Ventile wind shirt which once kept me dry in
a several hour downpour in Knoydart but it was new then.
I now prefer Paramo stuff for the wet.
Itzonlyme
Its a Bob Church jacket.... I dont know where I go Bob England from?
http://www.sportsmail.ltd.uk/acatalog/infowindows/Clothing/Jackets/window1.html
Its a double layered jacket and was probably expensive when new.
If Its true that I need another water proof under the Ventile....... then
all I have to say is
Stop The World... I wanna get off !!!
Regards Alan
PS I have mailed to Bob Church to hear what they say and I will post their
reply.
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John Lang Wilson
surgical gowns.
>>>>>
Ventile® is made from 100% cotton, densely woven in the U.K. from the
finest, long staple fibre.
Ventile® is not coated or laminated yet the combination of the dense
weave and the swelling properties of the fibres when wet provide
excellent weatherproofing.
It is an entirely natural product that offers a unique level of comfort,
look and feel as well as being windproof, highly breathable, very
durable and quiet.
>>>>>>
I've learnt something today.
Paul Saunders
> I think that Ventile was originally produced for it's windproof
> properties and that the waterproofing is a secondary property.
I seem to recall reading that Ventile was developed in WW2 for use by
aircraft pilots, to help keep them alive when ditching in the sea.
Norman
Hi,
a major problem with cotton is that it is very susceptible to
ultraviolet radiation, sunlight. This eventually destroys the fibres
and makes the fabric prone to being easily ripped. The cotton flysheet
of a Vango force 10 tent which I have became totally useless after
only 8 yrs occasional use. The fabric tore so easily it became
impossible to repair. It is still awaiting a nylon replacement.
Norman
Boo
>
> I remember Survival Aids offering a Ventile jacket for sale many years
> ago. It was double layer Ventile, the reason they explained, was that
> the outer layer becomes wet and thus waterproof, whilst the inner layer
> protects you from the wet outer layer. It was very expensive though.
>
> I later considered buying a cheaper Ventile jacket, but decided not to
> when I noticed that it was only a single layer jacket, so I'm guessing
> that's what your is. So your jacket is probably working, you just need
> an extra layer of something to protect you from the wet layer.
So you would recommend wearing a waterproof *under* a Ventile jacket
then ? Preferably Goretex or similar for breathability purposes ?
"I think I see a way out of this..."
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Paul Saunders
> So you would recommend wearing a waterproof *under* a Ventile jacket
> then ? Preferably Goretex or similar for breathability purposes ?
Well that's what logic seems to dictate... :-)
John Laird
<pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>John Lang Wilson wrote:
>
>> I think that Ventile was originally produced for it's windproof
>> properties and that the waterproofing is a secondary property.
>
>I seem to recall reading that Ventile was developed in WW2 for use by
>aircraft pilots, to help keep them alive when ditching in the sea.
I'm pretty sure that's what I've read, several times.
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Itzonlyme
mistreated....it could be soaked overnight in a strong soulution of fabric
softner to rejuvenate it.
I might try it with the ventile.
I did get a reply from Bob Church saying this.
"If you have washed it even once you will have removed some of the fabrics
properties, I suggest reproofing with Fabseal"
I am not sure this guy had so much Ventile knowledge judging from the above.
First of all, there is no proofing to be removed in the first place.
Perhaps I will contact the makers of the fabric instead.
Regards Itzonlyme
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