Corsham / Hawthorn
Daniele Mandelli
Hi group.
Thank you to Ron for his comment. I'd like to ask for the group's
opinion's on a few questions/ opinions I have on Corsham.
1) I believe the Corsham Computer Centre, CCC, to be a command centre
built to complement PINDAR along with new comms systems such as
skynet and the BOXER fibre optic system. I think these two
are replacements for BURLINGTON, possibly under a project called
ANCHOR ??
Security at the CCC site is interesting. Very low key approach,
no big signs, fences, attracting attention. One can walk down the
lane, called Peel Circus, round the bend right up to the bunker
entrance. Only then will the security rush out and close the
gate if they spotted you on the cameras. When myself and
Graham Wilson visited the site some years ago, plain clothed
modplods cruising about in unmarked cars pay you a visit in no
time! I wonder why this low key approach. One could drive
past the site and not even know its there, safely tucked out
of sight. It has no normal red MoD sign. All this for a
" Naval Administration Unit " as security at the site claim,
or a " computer centre for the Procurement Executive," now DPA,
as RAF Logistics Command claimed when questioned by Duncan Campbell
and MArk Quested. I think not.
2) There is a new facility called GOSCC, Global Operations Security
Control Centre. Is this a new name for the CDCN, and is it
at the Basil Hill site or further down at the Hawthorn, 1001 SU
location ??
Dan.
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ron shiel
Cheltenham.
Completion of new 40 acre eavesdropping site is Spring 2003
Perhaps this is what you refer to?
Ron
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ron shiel
http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/truth/tr15bunkers.htm
Ron
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A Different Nick
>Construction is underway of new £350 millionfacility located at Benhall,
>Cheltenham.
>Completion of new 40 acre eavesdropping site is Spring 2003
>
>Perhaps this is what you refer to?
>
No, dont think so Ron.
The Benhall construction is the "new" GCHQ site.
Its merging both cheltenham sites into one.
Had a look around it a short while ago. Impressive to say the least.
I'd think the £350 million tag will be a lot lower than the final cost
!!
Nick
Simon
> Here is an old link to some pictures and text about Corsham
> http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/truth/tr15bunkers.htm
>
> Ron
>
The MOD said that in 1998 when they last did a listing of all their
buildings and structures that it was 'offices', obviously it would not
say otherwise. There is many entrances to bunkers in the grouds to RAF
Rudloe Manor, some of these are even big enough to take cars down,
again can not confirm this as it is only from photographic
interprations however seems to all fit together.
Peter Ashby
should you talk about this?
It may be covered by OAS?
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Yes that is right, in the MoD's section on the National Asset Register
the CCC is listed as offices ! There is also a brief mention of
Pontrilas Army Training Area, training ground of the SAS and I think
the DET as well. Funny how an army range comes under Vice CDS at the
MoD !! and not the ATE or ATRA, which manage and use army ranges.
Corsham, I have been to the place several times and can confirm
entrances at RAF Rudloe manor, at the Hawthorn site. Here you have
the 1001 SU DET, No 1 SU,the CDCN and the decomissioned Burlington
CGW HQ, in mothballs apparantly. Up the road to Corsham is Basil Hill
Barracks with HQ DCSA and HQ 2 Signals Brigade, DFTS and a few
smaller units. Interestingly, 2 Sig Bde is responsible for national
communications, including comms during and after nuclear attack and
provides comms to government. No suprise then it is headquartered
at Corsham. No doub't there are entrances here as well, and at the
sold off site further north on the A4 road, where the P & SS and DVA
were before they moved. Hidden away out of sight amongst all this
is the CCC.
I don't believe the OSA is being breached by talking about these
facilities since all of this is in the public domain, although
not sure about Pontrilas.
As detailed in various articles and books, the underground area in
Corsham is huge, 25 miles of tunnels and bunkers is the figure usually
quoted. Nick Mcamleys book Secret Underground Cities details the
history of the site, also Matthew Williams did a lot of research,
some of which is on the old link Ron mentioned.
More controversial are Matthews claims the underground facilities at
Corsham have connections North to Colerne, and tunnels running to RAF
Lyneham,Boscombe Down, Tidworth, etc.
Leslie Hayward
> More controversial are Matthews claims the underground facilities at
> Corsham have connections North to Colerne, and tunnels running to RAF
> Lyneham,Boscombe Down, Tidworth, etc.
>
> Dan.
Some tunnels!
Dom J
with the idea that 'they', (whoever they are) are out to get him!!. Last
heard of in court being prosucuted for faking crop circles.
Dom J
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Simon
> Yes that is right, in the MoD's section on the National Asset Register
> the CCC is listed as offices ! There is also a brief mention of
> Pontrilas Army Training Area, training ground of the SAS and I think
> the DET as well. Funny how an army range comes under Vice CDS at the
> MoD !! and not the ATE or ATRA, which manage and use army ranges.
>
> Corsham, I have been to the place several times and can confirm
> entrances at RAF Rudloe manor, at the Hawthorn site. Here you have
> the 1001 SU DET, No 1 SU,the CDCN and the decomissioned Burlington
> CGW HQ, in mothballs apparantly. Up the road to Corsham is Basil Hill
> Barracks with HQ DCSA and HQ 2 Signals Brigade, DFTS and a few
> smaller units. Interestingly, 2 Sig Bde is responsible for national
> communications, including comms during and after nuclear attack and
> provides comms to government. No suprise then it is headquartered
> at Corsham. No doub't there are entrances here as well, and at the
> sold off site further north on the A4 road, where the P & SS and DVA
> were before they moved. Hidden away out of sight amongst all this
> is the CCC.
>
> I don't believe the OSA is being breached by talking about these
> facilities since all of this is in the public domain, although
> not sure about Pontrilas.
I suppose it does not matter if even if it is in the public domain,
because its in the public domain it could still be a breach of the
act, however may be harder to prosecute. I dont know if the post was
sarcastic or not though!
SurferJoe
Daniele Mandelli
Sorry ! The abrieviations I wrote stand for the following.
ATE - Army Training Estate.
ATRA - Army Training & Recruitment Agency.
DFTS - Defence Fixed Telecommunications System.
DET - 14 Intelligence Company, army surveillance unit in
N Ireland, work with SAS, called " The DET "
CCC - Corsham Computer Centre.
SU - RAF Signals Unit.
Dom J
installed the lifts here(Pickerings Lifts I think) According to him they
were '2 120ft travel, 2 stop (Ground and Lower Ground) passenger lifts'. He
also described the underground bit as a large open plan office full of
computers and desks.
Dom J
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Darrel
Communications Serivces Agency).
We had to deal with them a lot to get access to parts of the comms network
and believe it or not if any body out there works for the MOD if you have
access to the MOD WEB intranet you can get all the information you want
about these places and thats all I am going to say about all this.
The Royal Navy are very respected when it comes to things to do with
satelite and comms stuff so that is why they have a presence at CCC and as
the name suggests you will probably find that is what it is for.
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