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anyone using a Parker-Hale or BSA target rifle?
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Jonathan Spencer
Dec 13, 2011, 5:17:29 AM12/13/11
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I have a Parker-Hale 1200TX in 7.62 NATO which was shoots MOA or just a
bit over with Hornady #30501 168gr BTHP. Anyone else using one of these
beasts? I'm thinking of replacing the PH trigger with a Timney trigger.
I'm interested in acquiring a BSA equivalent rifle. Anyone got any
experience of them?
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Jonathan
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Macabre of Auchterloonie
Dec 13, 2011, 10:47:01 AM12/13/11
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Jonathan Spencer wrote:
>
> I have a Parker-Hale 1200TX in 7.62 NATO which was shoots MOA or just a
> bit over with Hornady #30501 168gr BTHP. Anyone else using one of these
> beasts? I'm thinking of replacing the PH trigger with a Timney trigger.
>
> I'm interested in acquiring a BSA equivalent rifle. Anyone got any
> experience of them?
I have an ancient International.
>
> I have a Parker-Hale 1200TX in 7.62 NATO which was shoots MOA or just a
> bit over with Hornady #30501 168gr BTHP. Anyone else using one of these
> beasts? I'm thinking of replacing the PH trigger with a Timney trigger.
>
> I'm interested in acquiring a BSA equivalent rifle. Anyone got any
> experience of them?
It does the job.
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Old Nick
Macabre of Auchterloonie
Dec 13, 2011, 10:50:24 AM12/13/11
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Jonathan Spencer wrote:
>
> I have a Parker-Hale 1200TX in 7.62 NATO which was shoots MOA or just a
> bit over with Hornady #30501 168gr BTHP. Anyone else using one of these
> beasts? I'm thinking of replacing the PH trigger with a Timney trigger.
>
> I'm interested in acquiring a BSA equivalent rifle. Anyone got any
> experience of them?
Oh, should have been wearing the specs - 7.62, no, never used a BSA in
>
> I have a Parker-Hale 1200TX in 7.62 NATO which was shoots MOA or just a
> bit over with Hornady #30501 168gr BTHP. Anyone else using one of these
> beasts? I'm thinking of replacing the PH trigger with a Timney trigger.
>
> I'm interested in acquiring a BSA equivalent rifle. Anyone got any
> experience of them?
that calibre.
If you want a really solid action, an Enfield P14 is better than
anything else I've used. (5 in the middle of the V-bull at 500 yds, and
all on the fluorescent marker)
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Old Nick
Jonathan Spencer
Dec 13, 2011, 2:49:55 PM12/13/11
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In message <jc7o7d$2vg$2...@dont-email.me>, Macabre of Auchterloonie
<nico...@foobar.hellsuncles.co.uk> writes
[snip]
>Oh, should have been wearing the specs - 7.62, no, never used a BSA in
>that calibre.
>
>If you want a really solid action, an Enfield P14 is better than
>anything else I've used. (5 in the middle of the V-bull at 500 yds, and
>all on the fluorescent marker)
I have two of the PH 1200TX rifles. I came across them together and
since I couldn't decide which one to go for, I bought both. :-)
One of them shot 10 round groups of around 1.5 MOA at 1,000 yards on
Stickledown in September. That rifle has a 1:12" barrel. The other
shot to about 3 MOA using the same ammunition. It has a 1:14" barrel.
The ammunition was 168gr Hornady BTHP. Rifle #2 seems to prefer 150gr
bullets but I've only tested it at 300 yards so far.
Back to the BSA. I rather like the look of the BSA CFT, a competitor to
the PH 1200TX, and thought it might be interesting to get one to play
with. I suspect they may not be as common as the PHs. I've seen only
one for sale.
I'm not after a P14, thanks for the suggestion. I have a No 4 and a
M1903 and a Martini-Enfield which are probably enough in that direction.
:-)
<nico...@foobar.hellsuncles.co.uk> writes
[snip]
>Oh, should have been wearing the specs - 7.62, no, never used a BSA in
>that calibre.
>
>If you want a really solid action, an Enfield P14 is better than
>anything else I've used. (5 in the middle of the V-bull at 500 yds, and
>all on the fluorescent marker)
since I couldn't decide which one to go for, I bought both. :-)
One of them shot 10 round groups of around 1.5 MOA at 1,000 yards on
Stickledown in September. That rifle has a 1:12" barrel. The other
shot to about 3 MOA using the same ammunition. It has a 1:14" barrel.
The ammunition was 168gr Hornady BTHP. Rifle #2 seems to prefer 150gr
bullets but I've only tested it at 300 yards so far.
Back to the BSA. I rather like the look of the BSA CFT, a competitor to
the PH 1200TX, and thought it might be interesting to get one to play
with. I suspect they may not be as common as the PHs. I've seen only
one for sale.
I'm not after a P14, thanks for the suggestion. I have a No 4 and a
M1903 and a Martini-Enfield which are probably enough in that direction.
:-)
A.Lee
Dec 14, 2011, 4:39:39 AM12/14/11
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Jonathan Spencer <j...@jonathan-spencer.co.uk> wrote:
> One of them shot 10 round groups of around 1.5 MOA at 1,000 yards on
> Stickledown in September.
What sort of cost is involved in shooting there?
> One of them shot 10 round groups of around 1.5 MOA at 1,000 yards on
> Stickledown in September.
Presumably you have a man at the target to let you know where you have
hit?
How much are the bullets, and how many do you get through in a day?
Are you limited in hours on the range at 1200 yds, or is it a booked day
at that distance?
I've always fancied rifle shooting, but time is a big factor for me, and
it appears I need to attend my local Club for 6 months before I can get
a Firearms Licence for target shooting (no land available for open
vermin use), and then, it seems I need to start with .22 LR.
Ta
Alan.
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Jonathan Spencer
Dec 14, 2011, 11:50:18 AM12/14/11
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In message <1kc9eky.118p1651coxr9cN%alan@darkroom.+.com>, A.Lee
<alan@darkroom.+.com> writes
[shooting at Bisley]
>What sort of cost is involved in shooting there?
As I understand it, to hire one of the ranges at Bisley you must either
be:
1. an individual member of the NRA
2. belong to a club that is affiliated to the NRA
Your don't hire the entire range, you just hire one lane/target. And
you can hire it for one hour, or a morning or an afternoon session. A
session is 4 or 4.5 hours depending on time of year.
If you are a BASC member then you can shoot at Bisley, more info here
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/in-your-area/south-east/target-rifle-and-stalki
ng.cfm
The range hire costs can be found here
http://www.nsc-bisley.co.uk/common/asp/rangeoffice/charges.asp?site=NSC
The charges vary depending on whether it is high season or low season
and which range is being hired.
>Presumably you have a man at the target to let you know where you have
>hit?
Yes, all of the long distance rifle ranges have 'Hythe' target frames in
which the target is manually raised to be shot and lowered to be
scored/marked. Either you provide your own markers or you can hire
markers.
>How much are the bullets, and how many do you get through in a day?
The cost depends on what type of ammunition you are going to use, e.g.
5.56mm or 7.62mm, which brand, and where you buy it.
>Are you limited in hours on the range at 1200 yds, or is it a booked day
>at that distance?
1200 yards is a special case, because of the layout of the range, it
means closing off a road and limiting access. Many people shoot at 1000
yards but very few people shoot at 1200 yards. If you look at a
trajectory table and wind drift table you will see why.
>I've always fancied rifle shooting, but time is a big factor for me, and
>it appears I need to attend my local Club for 6 months before I can get
>a Firearms Licence for target shooting (no land available for open
>vermin use), and then, it seems I need to start with .22 LR.
Those are general guidelines. It provides enough time and opportunity
for complete beginners to go through the training program and gain
enough experience and knowledge to be signed off as safe and competent.
People who arrive with some knowledge and experience, e.g. recently
retired soldiers, can move advance more swiftly. Just about everyone
who shoots started with a .22LR for the reason that it's the ideal
teaching tool: cheap, accurate, and no recoil.
--
Jonathan
<alan@darkroom.+.com> writes
[shooting at Bisley]
>What sort of cost is involved in shooting there?
be:
1. an individual member of the NRA
2. belong to a club that is affiliated to the NRA
Your don't hire the entire range, you just hire one lane/target. And
you can hire it for one hour, or a morning or an afternoon session. A
session is 4 or 4.5 hours depending on time of year.
If you are a BASC member then you can shoot at Bisley, more info here
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/in-your-area/south-east/target-rifle-and-stalki
ng.cfm
The range hire costs can be found here
http://www.nsc-bisley.co.uk/common/asp/rangeoffice/charges.asp?site=NSC
The charges vary depending on whether it is high season or low season
and which range is being hired.
>Presumably you have a man at the target to let you know where you have
>hit?
which the target is manually raised to be shot and lowered to be
scored/marked. Either you provide your own markers or you can hire
markers.
>How much are the bullets, and how many do you get through in a day?
5.56mm or 7.62mm, which brand, and where you buy it.
>Are you limited in hours on the range at 1200 yds, or is it a booked day
>at that distance?
means closing off a road and limiting access. Many people shoot at 1000
yards but very few people shoot at 1200 yards. If you look at a
trajectory table and wind drift table you will see why.
>I've always fancied rifle shooting, but time is a big factor for me, and
>it appears I need to attend my local Club for 6 months before I can get
>a Firearms Licence for target shooting (no land available for open
>vermin use), and then, it seems I need to start with .22 LR.
for complete beginners to go through the training program and gain
enough experience and knowledge to be signed off as safe and competent.
People who arrive with some knowledge and experience, e.g. recently
retired soldiers, can move advance more swiftly. Just about everyone
who shoots started with a .22LR for the reason that it's the ideal
teaching tool: cheap, accurate, and no recoil.
--
Jonathan
Macabre of Auchterloonie
Dec 25, 2011, 6:38:27 PM12/25/11
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them had very malleable actions, leading to (eventual) dangerous
headspacing.
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Old Nick
Macabre of Auchterloonie
Dec 25, 2011, 6:42:50 PM12/25/11
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Jonathan Spencer wrote:
> Those are general guidelines. It provides enough time and opportunity
> for complete beginners to go through the training program and gain
> enough experience and knowledge to be signed off as safe and competent.
> People who arrive with some knowledge and experience, e.g. recently
> retired soldiers, can move advance more swiftly. Just about everyone
> who shoots started with a .22LR for the reason that it's the ideal
> teaching tool: cheap, accurate, and no recoil.
I started as a cadet, with .303, and that remains my favourite calibre.
> Those are general guidelines. It provides enough time and opportunity
> for complete beginners to go through the training program and gain
> enough experience and knowledge to be signed off as safe and competent.
> People who arrive with some knowledge and experience, e.g. recently
> retired soldiers, can move advance more swiftly. Just about everyone
> who shoots started with a .22LR for the reason that it's the ideal
> teaching tool: cheap, accurate, and no recoil.
My first f.a.c. was for a .44 revolver.
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Old Nick
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