poor bloke
Malc
He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
problem see blindingly obvious to me.
--
Malc
MEow
http://groups.google.com/ said:
The site was far too slow to be worth look at more than a few
examples. However, I'm now almost beginning to understand all of the
dumb labels put on things - some people really *do* arrq to be told
that kind of things!
--
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ICQ# 251532856
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David Reid
<5e6ce5ec.03091...@posting.google.com>, Malc
<malcol...@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> spake thusly:
>http://www.baddesigns.com/
>
>He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
>problem see blindingly obvious to me.
>
to sue the supplier innee?
--
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International Goatkeepers Society, member number: 001905
David Reid
<nikitt...@yahoo.se> spake thusly:
>While frolicking around in uk.rec.sheds, Malc of
>http://groups.google.com/ said:
>
>>http://www.baddesigns.com/
>>
>>He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
>>problem see blindingly obvious to me.
>
>The site was far too slow to be worth look at more than a few
>examples. However, I'm now almost beginning to understand all of the
>dumb labels put on things - some people really *do* arrq to be told
>that kind of things!
Yebbut the parking ticket machine had simple instructions in inch high
letters and he *still* got it wrong.
Richard Robinson
> In the outpouring of consciousness known as
><5e6ce5ec.03091...@posting.google.com>, Malc
><malcol...@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> spake thusly:
>>http://www.baddesigns.com/
>>
>>He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
>>problem see blindingly obvious to me.
>>
> He's the sort of bloke who burns himself with a cup of coffee then tries
> to sue the supplier innee?
"fhpprffshy", you mean ?
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
Lizz Holmans
>In article <DSJTaMH+4xa$Ew...@ntlworld.com>, David Reid wrote:
>> In the outpouring of consciousness known as
>><5e6ce5ec.03091...@posting.google.com>, Malc
>><malcol...@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> spake thusly:
>>>http://www.baddesigns.com/
>>>
>>>He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
>>>problem see blindingly obvious to me.
>>>
>> He's the sort of bloke who burns himself with a cup of coffee then tries
>> to sue the supplier innee?
>
>"fhpprffshy", you mean ?
And the famous Stella v McDonalds ynjfhvg was much, much more
complicated than it is usually portrayed on the 'net. Anything that
causes third degree burns on your genitals is likely to get you a bit
upset, too, wouldn't you say?
Originally all the poor woman wanted was for Mickey D's to pay her
hospital bill for the skin grafts and all, but the Corporation
refused--hence the ynjfhvg
By the way, the original judgment for damages was reduced on appeal.
LizzH.
--
i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
David Reid
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> spake thusly:
>
>And the famous Stella v McDonalds ynjfhvg was much, much more
>complicated than it is usually portrayed on the 'net. Anything that
>causes third degree burns on your genitals is likely to get you a bit
>upset, too, wouldn't you say?
>
>Originally all the poor woman wanted was for Mickey D's to pay her
>hospital bill for the skin grafts and all, but the Corporation
>refused--hence the ynjfhvg
>
Why should they though? Coffee is supposed to be hot and it's hardly
Mucky D's fault that she didn't have health insurance.
--
David Reid Da...@disarray.org.uk http://www.disarray.org.uk
This is 29, Acacia Road. And this is Eric, the schoolboy who leads an
exciting double life. For when Eric eats a banana, an amazing transformation
occurs. Eric is Bananaman. Ever alert for the call to action.
Guy King
> The site was far too slow to be worth look at more than a few
> examples.
I'm still waiting for it to load....and waiting....and waiting....
--
Skipweasel:- There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you
want it to.
Guy King
> Originally all the poor woman wanted was for Mickey D's to pay her
> hospital bill for the skin grafts and all, but the Corporation
> refused--hence the ynjfhvg
I (as I understand it) she was trying to ferry a cup of hot coffee
between her legs while driving...why the heck should they?
Ron Clark
wrote:
>Lizz Holmans <di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> mumbled:
>
>> Originally all the poor woman wanted was for Mickey D's to pay her
>> hospital bill for the skin grafts and all, but the Corporation
>> refused--hence the ynjfhvg
>
>
>I (as I understand it) she was trying to ferry a cup of hot coffee
>between her legs while driving..
Brazilian?
--
®óñ© © ²°°³
Ichimusai
> Why should they though? Coffee is supposed to be hot and it's hardly
> Mucky D's fault that she didn't have health insurance.
There was a bit more to it then that, have you read the court
protocols?
--
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IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
Cats meow out of angst
"Thumbs! If only we had thumbs!
We could break so much"
-- Cat Haiku
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>>
>Why should they though? Coffee is supposed to be hot and it's hardly
>Mucky D's fault that she didn't have health insurance.
McDonald's admitted in court that their coffee was too hot for
immediate consumption--they expected that people would buy it and take
it home to drink it, allowing it time to cool. A bad defence based on
an unsupported assumption is not a good defensive strategy or good
company policy.
And Stella was *not* driving the car. She was a passenger in a car
that was not moving at the time. She was wearing normal clothes. Any
liquid that can seep through a fully-dressed woman and give her second
and third degree burns on her genitals is too goddam hot to be selling
for human comsumption.
If a company sells a product they know is unsafe except under certain
circumstances, and it doesn't tell anybody about these circumstances,
then yes, they are liable.
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>I (as I understand it) she was trying to ferry a cup of hot coffee
>between her legs while driving...why the heck should they?
You understand not quite correctly. She was sitting as a passenger in
a car that was not moving. She was trying to get the lid off to add
sugar. The cup overturned in her lap.
Yes, coffee should be hot, but a company that sells coffee that it
admits is too hot for human safety when sold is irresponsible.
McDonald's no longer serves their coffee that hot, but folks are still
drinking it.
Ichimusai
> And Stella was *not* driving the car. She was a passenger in a car
> that was not moving at the time. She was wearing normal clothes. Any
> liquid that can seep through a fully-dressed woman and give her
> second and third degree burns on her genitals is too goddam hot to
> be selling for human comsumption.
And, Coffee is not normally served anywhere at a temperature where it
is in danger of scalding you if you drink it, or spill it in your lap.
I don't think I have been served such hot coffee anywhere, except when
I make it myself, but then I always let it rest before I drink it.
--
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IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Hemingway was a jerk."
-- Harold Robbins
Ron Clark
wrote:
>MEow <nikitt...@yahoo.se> mumbled:
>
>> The site was far too slow to be worth look at more than a few
>> examples.
>
>I'm still waiting for it to load....and waiting....and waiting....
I'm up at 05.00 hrs tomorrow and off to for rain parts for a
2*week R&D.
You can keep it down or not, as you please, But I will be on
hedonism² and cloud ³*³ so see if I care,
Mark is my friend tho' I hesitate to use his skills sometimes
®óñ© © ²°°³
Duncan Duck
> I'm up at 05.00 hrs tomorrow and off to for rain parts for a
> 2*week R&D.
Research and Development?
--
Paul Clark you.missed -> umist to reply
The very first thing necessary to anyone who's weird is a place
where they don't give you a hard time just because you're weird.
-Mike Callahan
Ron Clark
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>If a company sells a product they know is unsafe except under certain
>circumstances, and it doesn't tell anybody about these circumstances,
>then yes, they are liable.
Any wimmin buying a fresh cuppa coffee and pouring it over
her gentiles should expect it to be fecking hot.
Jesu wepped, jew really have to have a sticker on a toilet brush
saying "not suitable as a toothbrush"?
--
®óñ© © ²°°³
Lizz Holmans
>I'm up at 05.00 hrs tomorrow and off to for rain parts for a
>2*week R&D.
>
>You can keep it down or not, as you please, But I will be on
>hedonismË› and cloud Å‚*Å‚ so see if I care,
>
>Mark is my friend tho' I hesitate to use his skills sometimes
Me too, except we're leaving tomorrow to go to the LibDem conference
in sunny, exotic Brighton for 5 days.
Y'all can be as noisy as you want. I'm not proud.
How 'bout that Brent East, eh? Nice way to start Conference this year.
Lizz
Ron Clark
<paul....@you.missed.ac.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:55:30 +0100, Ron Clark <r...@spamall.com> said:
>
>> I'm up at 05.00 hrs tomorrow and off to for rain parts for a
>> 2*week R&D.
>
>Research and Development?
Ruination and degradation more likely
--
®óñ© © ²°°³
Lizz Holmans
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:46:07 +0100, Lizz Holmans
><di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>If a company sells a product they know is unsafe except under certain
>>circumstances, and it doesn't tell anybody about these circumstances,
>>then yes, they are liable.
>
>Any wimmin buying a fresh cuppa coffee and pouring it over
>her gentiles should expect it to be fecking hot.
She didn't do it on purpose, Ron. And have you ever burnt yourself on
a cup of coffee so hot that you needed skin grafts?
>
>Jesu wepped, jew really have to have a sticker on a toilet brush
>saying "not suitable as a toothbrush"?
If it looks just like a toothbrush, yes. McDonald's *admitted* their
coffee was too hot for immediate consumption, but didn't tell anybody
that. That's negligence.
MEow
Enterprises said:
>Yebbut the parking ticket machine had simple instructions in inch high
>letters and he *still* got it wrong.
As said, I only looked at a few examples, due to his site being so
incredibly slow.
--
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ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
" Let's get this straight. The Warlord wears armor. He doesn't wear
magic underwear under it and is not going to put a pink sheet over it.
Having heartburn is a small price to pay to spare that visual." Warlord Steve(a.a)
Rugrat
> Yebbut the parking ticket machine had simple instructions in inch high
> letters and he *still* got it wrong.
People Don't Read. We had a ten-week course last year mostly dedicated to
this point. In the Human-Computer Interaction field, a design is considered
a failure if it needs instructions written on it.
Rugrat
Frank Erskine
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Me too, except we're leaving tomorrow to go to the LibDem conference
>in sunny, exotic Brighton for 5 days.
IRTA:- "the libido conference"
--
Frank Erskine
OETKBC
Jen Birren
> In the outpouring of consciousness known as
> <5e6ce5ec.03091...@posting.google.com>, Malc
> <malcol...@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> spake thusly:
>
>> http://www.baddesigns.com/
>>
>> He must be scared to step outdoors. Most things that he finds a
>> problem see blindingly obvious to me.
>>
> He's the sort of bloke who burns himself with a cup of coffee then tries
> to sue the supplier innee?
Ackshirly I reckon good for 'im- a lot of the things on there I have
fumed at as well, remote controls with buttons the wrong size and daftly
placed so you can't find "Play", taps you can't turn with soap on yer
hands, doors that look like you should pullem when you need to pushem.
You can figure them out, but why should you have to? Why weren't they
designed properly so you can just *walk through the adnm door* wivvout
having to read *instructions* onnit, fer Omssake? The bloke makes a
living being the "fool" who tests for foolproofness. After all, the
Great [Pick Country] Public are probably going to do the wrong thing any
time there's a chance, so the designers should take that into account,
and all too often they don't.
Jen
Lizz Holmans
You never know. I like hotels.
LizzH.
JonG
>
> Me too, except we're leaving tomorrow to go to the LibDem conference
> in sunny, exotic Brighton for 5 days.
>
> Y'all can be as noisy as you want. I'm not proud.
>
> How 'bout that Brent East, eh? Nice way to start Conference this year.
Conga-rats, I bet there will be some bottles of organic non-Serapu
sparkling whine drunk down by the Palace Pier next week.
Sorry to say that I think it is a protest vote, much as I would like
tosee UKnian politics split more evenly three wawys, better checks and
balances that way.
Two things occured to me today. Firstly, the Lib Dems probably have a
better public perception precisely because of their relative lack of
power.They are not, at present, likely to attract many of the
professional politicos who are happy to wear any coat as long as it
brings the influence.
Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
fate.
--
JonG
Don't Touch Me!
Ron Clark
wrote:
>Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
>found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
>bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
>hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
>fate.
Don't hold your breath waiting for such a wish-fulfillment.
Blair has another 7.5 years to run yet.
Then he'll go voluntarily .
--
®óñ© © ²°°³
Austin Shackles
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>How 'bout that Brent East, eh? Nice way to start Conference this year.
according to Labour bloke it's not a promble.
I'd call losing a 13,000 majority summat a bit more than that.
he also went on to explain how it was worse for the tories... fine...
--
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"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
JonG
The bloke makes a
> living being the "fool" who tests for foolproofness. After all, the
> Great [Pick Country] Public are probably going to do the wrong thing any
> time there's a chance, so the designers should take that into account,
> and all too often they don't.
Waste of time trying. Found possibly the original quote:
"Foolproof systems do not take into
account the ingenuity of fools."
whoever Gene Brown is or was. However, also found a few more:
While intelligent people can often
simplify the complex, a fool is more
likely to complicate the simple.
•Gerald W. Grumet
The fool is always beginning to live.
•Proverb
What a fool does in the end,
the wise do in the beginning.
•Spanish Proverb
The haste of a fool is the slowest
thing in the world.
•Thomas Shadwell
Anyone who sends back a narj phobile moan as "Not jbexing" without
actually reading the instructions to find out how it should be turned
on, qualifies for one or two of those. Anyone who attempts to open a
toothpaste tube by squeezing, rather than hfring the spike in the lid
which I learnt about at junior school, making my first Airfix kits,
qualifies,
Is it actually a ipss-atke?
Guy King
> Is it actually a ipss-atke?
I wondered.
Yeah, many of his examples are indeed examples of poor design, but to be
honest who said we have a right to expect perfection all around us at
all times?
Guy King
> he also went on to explain how it was worse for the tories... fine...
Frankly, /everything/ is worse for the tories at the moment.
Guy King
> Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
> found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
> bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
> hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
> fate.
Yeah, but who's the replacement?
m...@privacy.net
> How 'bout that Brent East, eh? Nice way to start Conference this year.
yeh, congrats. when i was driving home from poker they said on the radio
that the Lab lot had that secret smugness and your lot were agonising
over the recount.
At the risk of starting my dad spinning in his grave i voted LD last
time, and will next. Blair has to go. The current lot have done a few
good things - min wage etc - but not enough to make up for the bad
stuff.
--
It's never too late to panic
m...@privacy.net
> JonG <ne...@jongurr.plus.com> mumbled:
>
> > Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
> > found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
> > bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
> > hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
> > fate.
>
> Yeah, but who's the replacement?
>
>
Guy King
> > Yeah, but who's the replacement?
> >
> >
> A socialist would be nice.
And where are we supposed to find one of them at this time of night?
m...@privacy.net
> N.L...@WKX.KM.EU <m...@privacy.net> mumbled:
>
> > > Yeah, but who's the replacement?
> > >
> > >
> > A socialist would be nice.
>
> And where are we supposed to find one of them at this time of night?
>
>
Frank Erskine
N.L...@WKX.KM.EU writes
IRTA:- "A socialite"
--
Frank Erskine
www.ryhopeengines.org.uk
Richard Robinson
> JonG <ne...@jongurr.plus.com> mumbled:
>
>> Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
>> found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
>> bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
>> hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
>> fate.
>
> Yeah, but who's the replacement?
Well, he got in on a protest vote. Maybe he'll go out the same way ?
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
The reply-to address should read 'beulah' where the spam trap is.
Robert E A Harvey
news:200309192...@zetnet.co.uk...
> JonG <ne...@jongurr.plus.com> mumbled:
>
> > Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
> > found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
> > bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
> > hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
> > fate.
>
> Yeah, but who's the replacement?
{Crashing Lon Cheyney organ chords} Brown? or {ominous deeper chord}
Prescott......
Robert E A Harvey
news:MPG.19d582b52...@News.individual.net...
> I heard there was still one left in Cuba.
Given the voracity of the populace when I was there, trying to sell
everything from bronze busts of the dictator to thier own daughters, I doubt
it very much.
Rugrat
>>While frolicking around in uk.rec.sheds, Malc of
> the parking ticket machine had simple instructions in inch high letters
> and he *still* got it wrong.
Sometimes he has a point, sometimes it's a bit tenuous, and sometimes it's
just silly. On http://www.baddesigns .com/oat.html , he picked up a tub of
oatmeal by the lid, then complained that the tin fell off, leaving him
holding the lid and knee-deep in oatmeal. He suggested
"
o Not making the center of the lid set down in the top of the container so
deeply.
o Removing the "handle" from the inside of the lid by curving the lip
outward rather than inward.
"
If they removed the get-yer-fingers-underneath-it lip, you'd never get the
hootering lid off! And then he'd complain about that.
Silly sod should pick up cans by the can, not by the plastic lid.
Rugrat
Rugrat
http://www.baddesigns.com/gaspump.html
The designer clearly anticipated his problem, so as well as the "Gallons"
and "This Sale" labelling, they also put a two-inch $ sign against the
price window. And he still misreads that as gallons.
Rugrat
Rugrat
http://www.baddesigns.com/ranges.html#next
Yes, stove burners are an HCI textbook example of poor interface mapping,
but in my book they do at least point out that we don't have the semicircle
arrangement for a very good reason - it takes up twice as much space! This
doesn't seem to have occurred to M. Darnell, who plaintively wonders why we
don't all use it.
Rugrat
Robert E A Harvey
message news:bkg60r$7gl$4...@mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk...
> This is stupid too:
The device is a standard Gilbarco Hiline with numitron tubes, designed in
the 1970s. Numitrons go back to 1967. I designed two of the competitor
products, both of which looked similar. This problem of people mis-reading
the displays was common, even with the old rotary wheel Veeder-root
counters, and no amount of labelling displays would eliminate it. The large
currency symbols on the display are non-standard, only the text under the
windows was required by licencing authorities.
This design has been around for 30 years. If it was genuinely unsuccesful
then both the retailers and the licencing authorities would have had it
banned long ago.
There is also the mathematical clue that when something is offered above
unit price, the smaller
value will always be the volume and the larger will be the price. It is not
a difficult mental judgement.
I agree that people who can't use self-service dispensers are just plain
stupid. But if you have seen some of the things the public will do on
forecourts you will begin to wonder why they are allowed to drive cars at
all. I have seen people attempt to "pay at the pump" by rolling up notes
and putting them in the spout. I have seen people who, when spoken to on
the tannoy, hold the nozzle to thier head like a telephone - and then pull
the trigger! I have seen a man open the boot and attempt to fill the boot
rather than the tank. People regularly put DERV in petrol cars, and vice
versa.
One local garage here had two signs on the entrance ramp. One said "Your
filler cap is the same side it was last week" and the other said "If all
else fails, read the instructions".
Now, there was once a case for standardising on start sequences - back when
you used to have to select a grade before lifting the nozzle, one or two
renegade designs required you to do so in the opposite order, and hence
caused endless confusion. But nearly all modern installations have multiple
hoses, and you select grade by lifting the nozzle you want.
So people are stupid. But, given that the legibility regulations in every
country under the sun require the volume and cash displays to obey the same
rules then the idea of variant formats for the price and volume is an
obvious non-starter and just like learning how to use anything else -
including the wretched vehicle - it is surely no great imposition to expect
people to learn how to use the dispenser! No-one in 30 years of self
service dispenser design has found a way to satisfy both the regulations on
legibility and the <1% of wilfully inattentive users. Nor, really, is it a
high priority - even assuming it were soluble the research and development
necessary to understand this sort of pig-headed thickness and work round it
would be prohibitive. It would be cheaper to go back to attendant service
than pay for a mind-reading petrol pump.
A far more sensible question is why, when moving element (Ferranti-Packard)
displays have been available for 25 years, and LCDs suitable for the
temperature range for 15, someone is still using Numitron tubes in bright
sunlight! And why the local trading standards have not enforced a change.
Robert E A Harvey
> http://www.baddesigns.com/gaspump.html
Another oddity is:
http://www.baddesigns.com/gascap.html
The SMMT requires motor manufacturers to vary which side the filler is on -
the idea is to aim for 50% left fillers and 50% right fillers, so that
people can use both sides of the islands on a petrol station, without
massive queues developing on one side.
No-one anywhere has ever suggested standardising this - there is no good
reason, and a mildly good reason not to.
It wouldn't help the public. People who have had the same car for years
still don't know where the filler is. I've seen people tear the hozes off
dispensers trying to drag them across the car. If the chap wants to make a
sensible suggestion it would be for 2 fillers, but the cost would be
prohibitive. Anyway it's about time we had battery cars anyway. This sort
of fuss over fuel fillers is rather straining at a gnat when we shouldn't be
burning the lBooyd stuff at all.
I used to like the old Humber Snipe, where you had to unscrew a rear
reflector to find the filler. That used to fox the pump attendants, in days
when we had them. The odd 1970s car required you to flip down the rear
number plate - that was a good laugh too. Especially if you left it down
and got nicked...
Fiat had a car with the fuel filler under the bonnet for a while. About 30%
of owners put petrol in the oil filler at least once. I remember an
American car with a similar arrangment, all the fillers brought out to a
flap by the windscreen and no opening bonnet at all. I dread to think how
many had oil in the window washers, and brake fluid in the oil. But then
I've seen someone top up his oil, brake fluid, and battery all from the same
jug, one after the other. You can't make things idiot proof, the idiots
are cleverer than you are[1].
Point about all these winges and moans on the web site is that design is not
a process with a definite end point. It has particular problems to solve,
and when most (not necessarily all) of them have been tackled roughly
succesfully design stops and manufacturing starts. The last 20% of
improvements cost 80% of the money - so a wise manufacturer won't do them at
all. Manufactured products don't have to be perfect. They have to be one
or both of:
* Cheaper than the competition
* slightly better than the competition.
That's all.
[1] Henry ford?
David Reid
<rug...@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid> spake thusly:
bad design example which is that the controls are behind the burners so
you have to reach through the steam/spitting fat/flames to turn them
off.
--
Brain D
N.L...@WKX.KM.EU <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> At the risk of starting my dad spinning in his grave i voted LD last time,
> and will next. Blair has to go.
I had the hopertunity (curtsey of on!on) of voting for or against Bliar for
leeder of LP. He was turd (TOBAGO) on my list.
--
Brain D
Malc
"Ichimusai" <ic...@ichimusai.org> wrote in message
news:m3d6dwn...@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com...
Do you realise you're sending posts with attachments? Only with the recent
batch of worms around I haven't dared open them
--
Malc
Frank Erskine
Harvey <robert...@my-deja.com> writes
>"Rugrat" <rug...@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid> wrote earlier
>> http://www.baddesigns.com/gaspump.html
>
>Another oddity is:
>http://www.baddesigns.com/gascap.html
>
>The SMMT requires motor manufacturers to vary which side the filler is on -
>the idea is to aim for 50% left fillers and 50% right fillers, so that
>people can use both sides of the islands on a petrol station, without
>massive queues developing on one side.
>
problem unforgetting which side the filler's on.
Same with the indicator/light switches - they're on opposite sides...
--
Frank Erskine
OETKBC
Malc
I started voting LD ages ago because they were more left wing than Labour
were.
--
Malc
Henriette Kress
> "Ichimusai" <ic...@ichimusai.org> wrote in message
>
> Do you realise you're sending posts with attachments? Only with the recent
> batch of worms around I haven't dared open them
That's no attachment... get a better newsreader.
The OE begin bug:
http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
Hetta
--
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coj
"Henriette Kress" <spamtra...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.20.07.33.26.144061@hetta...
> Malc wrote:
>
> > "Ichimusai" <ic...@ichimusai.org> wrote in message
> >
> > Do you realise you're sending posts with attachments? Only with the
recent
> > batch of worms around I haven't dared open them
>
> That's no attachment... get a better newsreader.
> The OE begin bug:
> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
I'm not changing my arjsreader just because someone does that. Microsoft
should fix it, but I doubt they'll qb that soon.
I could read the posts by viewing the source, but I CBA ...
Guy King
> This is stupid taaw:
> http://www.baddesigns.com/gaspump.html
And as for complaining about which side the filler flap's on...either
stick a tiny sticker on the dash or look in your mirror or remember or
don't worry just fill up from either side. Whenever possible I always
fill up from the "wrong" side 'cos it's more comfortable for me to look
across the car than it is to twist round to look at the pump behind me.
Also there are frequently fewer cars queueueueeuing to have the pump on
their left.
Complaining about window switches being in the middle is silly too. It's
a compromise between effectiveness and cost. Putting the switches in the
doors means duplicating one switch and a lot of duplicated wiring.
Guy King
> I started voting LD ages ago because they were more left wing than Labour
> were.
LD always makes me goov of Lethal Dose as in the LD50 test.
Guy King
> I've seen people tear the hozes off dispensers trying to drag them
> across the car.
Now there's a bit of design that's improved....the hoses are now usually
long enough to reach both sides.
Guy King
> So people are stupid.
Ah...now there you've found the one design item I don't see in his list.
He's so sure that the environment should change to suit him (us?) that
he's lost sight of the simple fact that we're the most adaptable
creature on the planet and we can mostly cope.
Still doesn't account for people putting diesel in petrol tanks and viva-voce.
Guy King
> The odd 1970s car required you to flip down the rear
> number plate - that was a good laugh too.
Zephry?
JonG
> Ah...now there you've found the one design item I don't see in his list.
> He's so sure that the environment should change to suit him (us?)
On reading some more of his wibble [1], this is what annoys me more and
more. He is incredibly arrogant, constantly demanding that these items
should be designed to account for his particular and personal brand of
stupidity. Design it to tackle some other idiot, and that wouldn't be
good enough for him.
[1] Wonder if he's going to add a page blaming the software co for the
abysmal loading times.
--
JonG
Don't Touch Me!
JonG
> I have seen people who, when spoken to on
> the tannoy, hold the nozzle to thier head like a telephone - and then pull
> the trigger!
Cloff please! - Or perhaps large ammounts of that blue oversized
bog-roll stuff.
>
> One local garage here had two signs on the entrance ramp. One said "Your
> filler cap is the same side it was last week" and the other said "If all
> else fails, read the instructions".
Quite.
On the site with tales from the computer support desks, ISTR the tale of
some stroppy woman demanding to be told how to turn her lap-top on, with
the comment that she had paid a thousand bucks for it, she didn't expect
to then have to read any damn instruction manual.
JonG
>
>>>Yeah, but who's the replacement?
>>>
>>A socialist would be nice.
>
> And where are we supposed to find one of them at this time of night?
>
In Brighton, I would suggest is your best bet for the next few days.
JonG
Robert E A Harvey
news:asLn1KAH$$a$Ew...@btinternet.com...
> I regularly drive two cars (not at the same time) and usually have a
> problem unforgetting which side the filler's on.
> Same with the indicator/light switches - they're on opposite sides...
Leftpondian hire cars have a discrete but unmistakable arrow sticker on the
fuel gauge saying "filler>>" (or as appropriate). I goove it's quite
clever.
JonG
>>>Secondly, I wonder how close Mr Bliar is to the situation Mrs Gungpure
>>>found herself in after the poll tax debacle - suddenly looking like a
>>>bit of an electoral liability and being dropped by their party like a
>>>hot potato. Would be poetic justice indeed for Bliar to suffer the same
>>>fate.
>>
>>Yeah, but who's the replacement?
>
>
> {Crashing Lon Cheyney organ chords} Brown? or {ominous deeper chord}
> Prescott......
According to this months [1] Computer Music, the next Intel CPU is
called the Prescott. Interestingly, it will produce about 100W of heat,
compared to the fastest current Athlon's maximum 75W output. It was,
therefore, clearly named for the ammount of Hot Air produced......
[1] Well, Novembers, IYSWIM.
JonG
>
> according to Labour bloke it's not a promble.
>
> I'd call losing a 13,000 majority summat a bit more than that.
>
> he also went on to explain how it was worse for the tories... fine...
>
Week ending, years ago, had quotes from the main parties spokesmen about
the latest By-Election result....."..and now we can go over live to the
town hall for the returning officers announcement."
David Reid
spake thusly:
>Henriette Kress <spamtra...@spamcop.net> mumbled:
>
>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
>
>Splendid! Begin at once to shun all Mickeysnot products.
>
>We shall begin at the beguine.
>
Oh dear, So all I have to do is type a perfectly reasonable post, but
begin a line with 'begin' and anyone using a Mickysnot "Newsreader" will
think I'm sending an attachment?
--
David Reid Da...@disarray.org.uk http://www.disarray.org.uk
Nonsense, they couldn't hit an elephant at this distance
General John Sedgwick
David Reid
<200309200...@zetnet.co.uk>, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
spake thusly:
>
>a compromise between effectiveness and cost. Putting the switches in the
>doors means duplicating one switch and a lot of duplicated wiring.
>
annoying as how slow they are and the fact that you can't move them with
the ignition off.
I recommend manual window winders.
--
David Reid Da...@disarray.org.uk http://www.disarray.org.uk
This is 29, Acacia Road. And this is Eric, the schoolboy who leads an
exciting double life. For when Eric eats a banana, an amazing transformation
occurs. Eric is Bananaman. Ever alert for the call to action.
Ichimusai
There are no attachments in my post, but there is a trigger of a MS
AutLock bug to keep the hoardes of idiots who use it and click on
every attachment they get in the mail from adding me to their address
list. Preferably they just killfile me.
The reason is that I have had over 16 000 SWEN viruses to my mailbox
the last 32 hours.
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Being on the tightrope is living; everything else is waiting."
-- Karl Wallenda
Ichimusai
>> That's no attachment... get a better newsreader. The OE begin bug:
>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
> I'm not changing my arjsreader just because someone does that.
> Microsoft should fix it, but I doubt they'll qb that soon.
> I could read the posts by viewing the source, but I CBA ...
I guess. But it is rather effective, I have so far had over 20
announcment of people using AutLock killfiling me. That's great news.
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.
Ichimusai
> In the outpouring of consciousness known as
> <200309200...@zetnet.co.uk>, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
> spake thusly:
>> Henriette Kress <spamtra...@spamcop.net> mumbled:
>>
>>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
>> Splendid! Begin at once to shun all Mickeysnot products.
>>
>> We shall begin at the beguine.
>>
> Oh dear, So all I have to do is type a perfectly reasonable post,
> but begin a line with 'begin' and anyone using a Mickysnot
> "Newsreader" will think I'm sending an attachment?
Yes, more or less. It needs to be first on a line with two spaces
after it.
Like this
begin evil_virus.vba
<cue evil cackle here>
end
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"There are some experiences in life which should not be demanded twice
from any man, and one of them is listening to the Brahms Requiem."
-- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Ichimusai
> coj wrote:
>>> That's no attachment... get a better newsreader. The OE begin bug:
>>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
>> I'm not changing my arjsreader just because someone does that.
>> Microsoft should fix it, but I doubt they'll qb that soon.
> Outlook Excrete is stuckware, innit; no further developloplement
This bug has been around for years, as well as the munging of
signature delimiter, the SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: SV: SV bug that we Swedes
have to deal with... and so on...
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Most so called professional would say that those that find themselves
in abusive relationships suffer from low "self esteem"... This is
subjective clap trap. What abused people suffer from is a lack of self
worth. Which is not something you can chant yourself into believing.
You earn it by working for it. The value you place on yourself as a
human being will be determined by the work you do to become a thinking
human being."
-- James A. (Mac) Warren
Brain D
JonG <ne...@jongurr.plus.com> wrote:
> Robert E A Harvey wrote:
>
> > I have seen people who, when spoken to on the tannoy, hold the nozzle
> > to thier head like a telephone - and then pull the trigger!
>
> Cloff please! - Or perhaps large ammounts of that blue oversized bog-roll
> stuff.
>
And then light the blue touch paper?
--
Brain D
Brain D
> "Rugrat" <rug...@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid> wrote earlier
> > http://www.baddesigns.com/gaspump.html
>
> Another oddity is:
> http://www.baddesigns.com/gascap.html
>
> The SMMT requires motor manufacturers to vary which side the filler is on -
> the idea is to aim for 50% left fillers and 50% right fillers, so that
> people can use both sides of the islands on a petrol station, without
> massive queues developing on one side.
>
When I was jbexing the jbex motors always had their fillers on the opposite
side[32] to my own cars. That always was the side wiv the queue, but with
suitable positioning cud usually reech from the uvver side.
[32]Also dizeasal rather than petrol, allus got that right, unlike a trainee
who pwt the dizeasel in a petrol hire car when in an urry for a ninterview.
--
Brain D
Brain D
Frank Erskine <Fr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Same with the indicator/light switches - they're on opposite sides...
>
Why is it that only the Japs get this one right (and only on the jap built
ones) praps they arn't in the RH.
--
Brain D
MEow
>This bug has been around for years, as well as the munging of
>signature delimiter, the SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: SV: SV bug that we Swedes
>have to deal with... and so on...
Danes have to deal with TAAW. I unforget it from when I hfred OE.
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
"How can you _tell_ when a penguin is feeling gay?
They never really look all that happy to _me_!" Eando Binder (a.a.)
Rugrat
> Frankly, /everything/ is worse for the tories at the moment.
As <someone> said on the WWP last night, the reason the Tories are in such a
mess is that there's a better Conservative government in power already.
Rugrat
MEow
>The reason is that I have had over 16 000 SWEN viruses to my mailbox
>the last 32 hours.
and getting killfiled by people who hfr OE helps against that?
Rugrat
> While frolicking around in uk.rec.sheds, Ichimusai of Rikskrem said:
>>The reason is that I have had over 16 000 SWEN viruses to my mailbox
>>the last 32 hours.
> and getting killfiled by people who hfr OE helps against that?
Yes. The virusses potentially get sent to everyone that the infectee's
Outlook has had contact with. If they've killfiled him, then they won't
send virusses to him. Of course, there's a fair amount of collateral damage
with this scheme, but obviously Ichi considers it worthwhile.
I'm fortunate in that very few of my fiends use Outlook. Most of them use
Snotmail, which is hardly an improvement, but I don't goove it's as
susceptible to virusses.
Rugrat
Ichimusai
> While frolicking around in uk.rec.sheds, Ichimusai of Rikskrem said:
>> The reason is that I have had over 16 000 SWEN viruses to my
>> mailbox the last 32 hours.
> and getting killfiled by people who hfr OE helps against that?
I hope that they won't add me to their address books in the future.
--
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IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
We need sanity. This is a cleansing newsgroup. A collective shower.
-- Olrik, alt.atheism
Lizz Holmans
<maltre...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> yeh, congrats. when i was driving home from poker they said on the radio
>> that the Lab lot had that secret smugness and your lot were agonising
>> over the recount.
>>
>> At the risk of starting my dad spinning in his grave i voted LD last
>> time, and will next. Blair has to go. The current lot have done a few
>> good things - min wage etc - but not enough to make up for the bad
>> stuff.
>
>I started voting LD ages ago because they were more left wing than Labour
>were.
Actually, we were conceived as a party *between* a far-left Labour
Party and the Conservatives. It's not our fault everybody shifted to
the right so abruptly.Now that we have a Conservative Party and a
centrist/conservative Labour Party, we look like Trotskyists. but
actually we haven't changed all that much.
We're leaving pretty soon. May have time for a few posts, maybe not.
Anyway, I'm going to Brighton to have a good time (and maybe do a
little politics on the side).
LizzH.
--
i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
coj
> While frolicking around in uk.rec.sheds, Ichimusai of Rikskrem said:
>
>> This bug has been around for years, as well as the munging of
>> signature delimiter, the SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: SV: SV bug that we
>> Swedes have to deal with... and so on...
>
> Danes have to deal with TAAW. I unforget it from when I hfred OE.
Well I happen to like it, even with its prombles. I doubt you lot could all
agree on what one piece of software to change to, if ICBA, WIC.
coj
" "
OK then.
MEow
>> Danes have to deal with TAAW. I unforget it from when I hfred OE.
>
>Well I happen to like it, even with its prombles. I doubt you lot could all
>agree on what one piece of software to change to, if ICBA, WIC.
>
I'm going to not molish any suggestions, both because of that and
because that this froup is full of people who are several times more
qualified than me to qb that.
Ichimusai
Gnus and Agent are pretty nice :)
--
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IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Woman was God's second mistake."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
coj
I've never noticed ! Mine jew I've never noticed in anywhere else apart from
transpondia that I've hired a car either. I wonder if there's one on me
cojmobile ?
Fenny
Rugrat say...
> David Reid wrote:
>
> > Yebbut the parking ticket machine had simple instructions in inch high
> > letters and he *still* got it wrong.
>
> People Don't Read. We had a ten-week course last year mostly dedicated to
> this point. In the Human-Computer Interaction field, a design is considered
> a failure if it needs instructions written on it.
>
The college has put up a lot more, much bigger signs to say "This is a
no smoking area" outside the main entrance, but there seem to be more
people smoking there this term. THe more sensible solution would be to
plant lots of very prickly bushes nest to the wall that they all sit on
to smoke. If they really wanted to stop them, they could spend a couple
of days going round asking to see the students' ID cards and suspending
repeat offenders.
--
Fenny
Fictitious Facts of the Day - from a list by Andrew Burford
#36: William Pitt the Younger had a younger brother who wanted to go
into politics, but he bullied him to make him change his mind, and he
went into the House of Lords instead.
Fenny
> One local garage here had two signs on the entrance ramp. One said "Your
> filler cap is the same side it was last week"
>
Thass only troo iffen you are driving the same car. Biggest promble I
had wiv hire cars was unfergetting which side the filler cap was.
--
Fenny
Fictitious Facts of the Day - from a list by Andrew Burford
Sistine Chapel while he went on holiday.
Frank Erskine
<snipe12...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>Frank Erskine wrote:
>
>> I regularly drive two cars (not at the same time) and usually have a
>> problem unforgetting which side the filler's on.
>
>
>> Same with the indicator/light switches - they're on opposite sides...
>
Both are notionally Nipponese, but one's molished in Fcnva (I goov) and
the other in Blighty.
--
Frank Erskine
OETKBC
Robert E A Harvey
message news:MPG.19d67203a...@News.Individual.NET...
>. If they really wanted to stop them, they could spend a couple
> of days going round asking to see the students' ID cards and suspending
> repeat offenders.
But they don't want to stop them. At all. They just don't want the blame
for allowing them to do it. Different thing entirely.
Henriette Kress
> Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
>>Henriette Kress <spamtra...@spamcop.net> mumbled:
>>
>>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
>>
>>Splendid! Begin at once to shun all Mickeysnot products.
>>
>>We shall begin at the beguine.
Mind you, it has to be at the beginning of a line, and all in small caps,
TAAW.
> Oh dear, So all I have to do is type a perfectly reasonable post, but
> begin a line with 'begin' and anyone using a Mickysnot "Newsreader" will
> think I'm sending an attachment?
Aye. Like this: let us
begin to commence.
Hetta
--
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Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed
Best of RHOD: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/rhod
Jaimie Vandenbergh
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:12:12 +0100, Ron Clark <r...@spamall.com> wrote:
>
>>Jesu wepped, jew really have to have a sticker on a toilet brush
>>saying "not suitable as a toothbrush"?
>
>If it looks just like a toothbrush, yes. McDonald's *admitted* their
>coffee was too hot for immediate consumption, but didn't tell anybody
>that. That's negligence.
Not only that, McD's had been told off about it before and failed to
do anything about it.
Folks, this one really does need to be dropped as an example of human
stupidity - once you find out what actually happened, McD's were
indeed totally in the wrong.
J
--
The glass, being topologically equivalent to a finite flat sheet, can be
neither "full" nor "empty" : it may or may not have some beer balanced
on it. - Oldbloke, urs
coj
> David Reid wrote:
>> Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> spake thusly:
>>> Henriette Kress <spamtra...@spamcop.net> mumbled:
>>>
>>>> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
>>>
>>> Splendid! Begin at once to shun all Mickeysnot products.
>>>
>>> We shall begin at the beguine.
>
> Mind you, it has to be at the beginning of a line, and all in small
> caps, TAAW.
>
>> Oh dear, So all I have to do is type a perfectly reasonable post, but
>> begin a line with 'begin' and anyone using a Mickysnot "Newsreader"
>> will think I'm sending an attachment?
>
> Aye. Like this: let us
I can read yours, I can't read those from Ichi
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>Guy King wrote:
>
>> Ah...now there you've found the one design item I don't see in his list.
>> He's so sure that the environment should change to suit him (us?)
>
>On reading some more of his wibble [1], this is what annoys me more and
>more. He is incredibly arrogant, constantly demanding that these items
>should be designed to account for his particular and personal brand of
>stupidity. Design it to tackle some other idiot, and that wouldn't be
>good enough for him.
Which is presumably what happened with the oatmeal can, and indeed he
doesn't like it.
Some items there - the contra-rotating taps, some of the doors, those
bloody compaq mouse/keyboard labels - deserve scorne and want fixing.
Others don't need it. Many are in the middle - someone paying
attention will have no problems, eg most of the car switches he
complains about.
But people don't pay attention. People are stupid. "You know how dumb
the average person is? Half of everyone is dumber than that!" and so
forth.
I did like the image of BobH on the tannoy on the petrol station
causing everyone to squirt petrol on their heads though.
J
--
I have seen the fuschia, and it's ... er ... sort of pink and mauve
with bits hanging out. -- Richard Robinson, urs
Austin Shackles
<robert...@my-deja.com> enlightened us thusly:
>A far more sensible question is why, when moving element (Ferranti-Packard)
>displays have been available for 25 years, and LCDs suitable for the
>temperature range for 15, someone is still using Numitron tubes in bright
>sunlight! And why the local trading standards have not enforced a change.
are them the ones wiv a 7-segment mechanical thing? ver' cunning, I
gubhtug, the first time I saw one.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
Henriette Kress
Ah, see, you cut mine off:
Austin Shackles
<da...@disarray.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>In the outpouring of consciousness known as
><200309200...@zetnet.co.uk>, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
>spake thusly:
>>
>>Complaining about window switches being in the middle is silly too. It's
>>a compromise between effectiveness and cost. Putting the switches in the
>>doors means duplicating one switch and a lot of duplicated wiring.
>>
>My dad's Ovlov is like that, I do find it quite annoying, but not as
>annoying as how slow they are and the fact that you can't move them with
>the ignition off.
>
>I recommend manual window winders.
Our disco and other zbqrea motors have a dead cunning device, which is a
time-delay relay in the window circuits. You can still molish the windows
to go up for up to 45 seconds after offing the ignition.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
m...@privacy.net
> Another oddity is:
> http://www.baddesigns.com/gascap.html
>
> The SMMT requires motor manufacturers to vary which side the filler is on -
> the idea is to aim for 50% left fillers and 50% right fillers, so that
> people can use both sides of the islands on a petrol station, without
> massive queues developing on one side.
>
> reason, and a mildly good reason not to.
>
> It wouldn't help the public. People who have had the same car for years
> still don't know where the filler is. I've seen people tear the hozes off
> dispensers trying to drag them across the car.
I know where my filler cap is and I know how close to the pump I have to
get to use it on the "wrong" side. This has often saved me as much as 5
minutes queuing time, as hardly anybody else seems able to do it.
--
It's never too late to panic
m...@privacy.net
> Complaining about window switches being in the middle is silly too. It's
> a compromise between effectiveness and cost. Putting the switches in the
> doors means duplicating one switch and a lot of duplicated wiring.
Complaining about the windows switches being in the middle isn't just
silly, it's wrong.
Centre switches can be operated by driver or passenger, or even if
necessary by rear seat passengers. It's the maximal flexibility.
m...@privacy.net
> On or around Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:36:53 +0100, David Reid
> <da...@disarray.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In the outpouring of consciousness known as
> ><200309200...@zetnet.co.uk>, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
> >spake thusly:
> >>
> >>Complaining about window switches being in the middle is silly too. It's
> >>a compromise between effectiveness and cost. Putting the switches in the
> >>doors means duplicating one switch and a lot of duplicated wiring.
> >>
> >My dad's Ovlov is like that, I do find it quite annoying, but not as
> >annoying as how slow they are and the fact that you can't move them with
> >the ignition off.
> >
> >I recommend manual window winders.
>
> Our disco and other zbqrea motors have a dead cunning device, which is a
> time-delay relay in the window circuits. You can still molish the windows
> to go up for up to 45 seconds after offing the ignition.
>
>
Guy King
> I know where my filler cap is and I know how close to the pump I have to
> get to use it on the "wrong" side. This has often saved me as much as 5
> minutes queuing time, as hardly anybody else seems able to do it.
Darned close, in my case...but that's OK...I can do darned close.
Fran can...but it won't help in Murgatroyd 'cos it won't reach anyway.
--
Skipweasel:- There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you
want it to.
m...@privacy.net
> In the outpouring of consciousness known as
> <200309200...@zetnet.co.uk>, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
> spake thusly:
> >
> >> http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Feb/0042.html
> >
> >Splendid! Begin at once to shun all Mickeysnot products.
> >
> >We shall begin at the beguine.
> >
> begin a line with 'begin' and anyone using a Mickysnot "Newsreader" will
> think I'm sending an attachment?
>
>
And I may be wrong