Meaningless phrases

[Brian Gaff]

Clinically proven
Lifetime guarantee

Do seem to be creeping into adverts and descriptions In the first instance,
it does often not say exactly what is clinically proven, and in the second
it does not specify the lifetime of what?

I guess its no more vague than when talking about internet speeds it always
says up to, not at least. The inference over the real meaning.
I had an old pack of hacksaw blades that said lifetime guarantee, which
means, I assume when the break or have no teeth left that its the end of
their life?


Luckily we no longer have to endure adverts for washing powders that have
the unique blue whitener in them.

Brian

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[Jeff Gaines]

Even more annoying is the use of the American "proven" instead of the
English "proved".

On 03/11/2023 in message <ui2msa$2p1cv$1...@dont-email.me> Brian Gaff wrote:

>Clinically proven
>Lifetime guarantee
>
>Do seem to be creeping into adverts and descriptions In the first
>instance, it does often not say exactly what is clinically proven, and in
>the second it does not specify the lifetime of what?
>
>I guess its no more vague than when talking about internet speeds it
>always says up to, not at least. The inference over the real meaning.
>I had an old pack of hacksaw blades that said lifetime guarantee, which
>means, I assume when the break or have no teeth left that its the end of
>their life?
>
>
>Luckily we no longer have to endure adverts for washing powders that have
>the unique blue whitener in them.
>
>Brian



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[RustyHinge]

On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:

Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal term,
and has been for rather a long time.

>
> Even more annoying is the use of the American "proven" instead of the
> English "proved".
>
>
> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui2msa$2p1cv$1...@dont-email.me> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Clinically proven
>> Lifetime guarantee
>>
>> Do seem to be creeping into adverts and descriptions In the first
>> instance, it does often not say exactly what is clinically proven, and
>> in the second it does not specify  the lifetime of what?
>>
>> I guess its no more vague than when talking about internet speeds it
>> always says up to, not at least. The inference over the real meaning.
>> I had an old pack of hacksaw blades that said lifetime guarantee,
>> which means, I assume when the break or have no teeth left that its
>> the end of their life?
>>
>>
>> Luckily we no longer have to endure adverts for washing powders that
>> have the unique blue whitener in them.
>>
>> Brian
>
>
>



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[Jeff Gaines]

On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge wrote:

>On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal term,
>and has been for rather a long time.

Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:51:35 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Clinically proven
>Lifetime guarantee
>
>Do seem to be creeping into adverts and descriptions In the first instance,
>it does often not say exactly what is clinically proven, and in the second
>it does not specify the lifetime of what?

>Brian


re : lifetime guarantee

It's been 50 years or more since our North American muffler shops
have been proudly advertising their "lifetime guarantee" ..
As a young car-owner, I soon learned that, not only were their
mufflers _not_ more durable than the others - but often they
were _less_ durable - because their free replacement mufflers
got you back into their shop sooner, so they could charge you for
pipes, clamps, hangers, etc and even push some shocks and brakes ..
Fast forward to modern times - I think that I've had maybe 2
mufflers replaced in total on my last 6 cars spanning 20 years ;
and the pipes were fine - stainless steel doncha know ..
John T.

[RustyHinge]

On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
>> term, and has been for rather a long time.
>
> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".

Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an example of
comonly spoken English.

[Sam Plusnet]

Happily, we have no need of Muffler shops. Indeed you will not find a
single muffler shop anywhere in the UK.
Trying to stay in business by only selling scarfs sounds precarious to me.

Silencers? Now that's a different matter.

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[John Williamson]

On 03/11/2023 18:55, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> re : lifetime guarantee
>
> It's been 50 years or more since our North American muffler shops
> have been proudly advertising their "lifetime guarantee" ..
> As a young car-owner, I soon learned that, not only were their
> mufflers _not_ more durable than the others - but often they
> were _less_ durable - because their free replacement mufflers
> got you back into their shop sooner, so they could charge you for
> pipes, clamps, hangers, etc and even push some shocks and brakes ..
> Fast forward to modern times - I think that I've had maybe 2
> mufflers replaced in total on my last 6 cars spanning 20 years ;
> and the pipes were fine - stainless steel doncha know ..
> John T.
>

The last stainless steel exhaust I bought lasted not much longer than
the one it replaced. All the welds failed on the way from home to the
place I'd just ordered a new set of hangers from.

The trip took 30 minutes including stopping to pick up the pieces and
stash them in the back. Luckily the shop had an exhaust in stock, and
they had heard me coming. I drove out very quietly an hour later.

It's a 1968 Land Rover...

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[Tim+]

Jeff Gaines <jgne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal term,
>> and has been for rather a long time.
>
> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
>

Ah, you’re talking about outwith Scotland. We use proper words up here.

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I think they'd have to pay extra to have a silencer fitted to their pistol.
Any how I'm exhausted now.


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[Adrian]

In message <qofakil17vm6jheb0...@4ax.com>,
hub...@ccanoemail.com writes

If the unforgettery is jbexvat correctly, it is 22 years since I last
had to replace an exhaust system,

When I had my Lard Roller, it was a rather different story. On one
occasion when I was getting it done at a well known national chain, they
asked me if I wanted a lifetime guarantee. "Wot's that" I enquired.
"For as long as you keep the vehicle, we'll replace any part of the
exhaust that fails at SFP". As the pbfg was small Zu, I went ahead. A
several of years later, I had a rather thick pile of receipts saying
"free" to show. That was a good deal so far as I was concerned. They
were jbexvat on the basis that people don't keep old (er) cars for long,
so in the vast majority of cases, they never have to replace bits.

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[Tone]

On 03/11/2023 19:03, RustyHinge wrote:
> legalese is a language on its own

IRTA legless. Now, I've been there....

Tone

[Tone]

On 03/11/2023 19:17, John Williamson wrote:
> The trip took 30 minutes including stopping to pick up the pieces and
> stash them in the back. Luckily the shop had an exhaust in stock, and
> they had heard me coming. I drove out very quietly an hour later.
>
> It's a 1968 Land Rover..

Stop me if I've told this tale here before, but in my previous Hymer we
were touring the west coast of that Scawtland, when the exhaust fell
off, in Oban. I rolled noisily up to the local garage and asked him if
he could help. "No!" he said, and closed the doors.

So we called the AA (not the AA). They stated that somebody would be
with us inside an hour. Guess who turned up.

In fact it was him and his son, who turned out to be a decent welder.
They did a good job.

Tone

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <ui3g6i$2ta7h$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@fooba
r.girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 19:03:45 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote

>On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
>>> term, and has been for rather a long time.
>>
>> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
>
>Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an example of
>comonly spoken English.
>
>

Gaviscon is a proven remedy for heartburn?
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[RustyHinge]

Does nothing for me - I use Lanzaprazole

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <ui67nq$3hhgg$2...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@fooba
r.girolle.co.uk> on Sat, 4 Nov 2023 at 19:57:46 awoke Nicholas from his

slumbers and wrote
>On 03/11/2023 23:01, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <ui3g6i$2ta7h$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@fooba
>> r.girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 19:03:45 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
>>>>> term, and has been for rather a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
>>>
>>> Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an example of
>>> comonly spoken English.
>>>
>>>
>> Gaviscon is a proven remedy for heartburn?
>>
>Does nothing for me - I use Lanzaprazole
>

Agreed it is a very short proven remedy, for many Lanzaprazole is a
proven remedy. Does not do a lot for me. Rabaprazole works better for
me.

What I was trying to demonstrate was that proven is a perfectly good
Rightpondia English word.

[RustyHinge]

On 04/11/2023 20:08, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> What I was trying to demonstrate was that proven is a perfectly good
> Rightpondia English word.

So it is, probably predates 'proved'.

[Tim+]

Works for me…

[Peter]

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote in
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> In article <ui67nq$3hhgg$2...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge
> <rusty.hinge@fooba r.girolle.co.uk> on Sat, 4 Nov 2023 at 19:57:46
> awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 03/11/2023 23:01, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <ui3g6i$2ta7h$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge
>>> <rusty.hinge@fooba r.girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 19:03:45
>>> awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
>>>>>> term, and has been for rather a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
>>>>
>>>> Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an
>>>> example of comonly spoken English.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Gaviscon is a proven remedy for heartburn?
>>>
>>Does nothing for me - I use Lanzaprazole
>>
> Agreed it is a very short proven remedy, for many Lanzaprazole is a
> proven remedy. Does not do a lot for me. Rabaprazole works better for
> me.

Omeprazol for me.

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RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 03/11/2023 23:01, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> > In article <ui3g6i$2ta7h$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@fooba
> > r.girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 19:03:45 awoke Nicholas from his
> > slumbers and wrote
> > > On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> > > > On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge
> > > > wrote:
> >>>
> > > > > On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> >>>>
> > > > > Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
> > > > > term, and has been for rather a long time.
> >>>
> > > > Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
> >>
> > > Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an example
> > > of comonly spoken English.
> >>
> >>
> > Gaviscon is a proven remedy for heartburn?
> >
> Does nothing for me - I use Lanzaprazole
>
>

Makes me fart enough to fill the R100 and often needed change of clothing.
So I put up with the heartburn instead.

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[RustyHinge]

'Heartburn' can be dangerous if you ignore it: the oesophgus can get
acid burns wich become cancerous.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

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r.girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 03:19:17 awoke Nicholas from his

slumbers and wrote
>On 04/11/2023 23:27, me9 wrote:
>> RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2023 23:01, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <ui3g6i$2ta7h$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@fooba
>>>> r.girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 19:03:45 awoke Nicholas from his
>>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>>> On 03/11/2023 18:45, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/11/2023 in message <ui3dch$2sq00$1...@dont-email.me> RustyHinge
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/11/2023 11:59, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as English - and Scottish. qv Not Proven is a Scottish legal
>>>>>>> term, and has been for rather a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not in England, look at any of our legislation - it used "proved".
>>>>>
>>>>> Legalese is a language on its own - *never* to be taken as an example
>>>>> of comonly spoken English.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Gaviscon is a proven remedy for heartburn?
>>>>
>>> Does nothing for me - I use Lanzaprazole
>>>
>>>
>> Makes me fart enough to fill the R100 and often needed change of clothing.
>> So I put up with the heartburn instead.
>>
>'Heartburn' can be dangerous if you ignore it: the oesophgus can get
>acid burns wich become cancerous.
>
>

And need to be investigated (camera down oesophagus and histology
samples taken if necessary) before commencing a long term course of
PPI's.

There are other PPI's available which have differing side effects of
differing severity. Some PPI's are more expensive than others which
affect GP's budgets.

[Brian Gaff]

Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for
example has always puzzled me, presumably being a utility vehicle, which is
attempting to be everything to everyone.

Barbie is getting on my nerves as well.

I guess its an age thing, I heard a couple of youfs talking about a trip
they were about to go on to the coast and were trying to find where the best
'gas' station was to fill up on the way.
I guess with vehicles it all started by naming that magazine Auto trader,
not car trader.

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[Brian Gaff]

Funnily enough, I can distinctly remember at school that the words proven
and Gotten were in fact in English a long while ago, but whereas they died
out here, the Americans went with them.
I still find center and color actually more logical than the way we do it.

Some words in popular songs did not take off here though.
Boardwalk, for example as in under the Boardwalk, and Boondocks as in out
in the, one assumes it means the poorer and far away parts of town. I don't
know the derivation of that one.

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[Brian Gaff]

Just as well they were not called Wendy, Arthur Nigel and Kathleen then.

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[Brian Gaff]

Not only that, but anyone who can make one sentence take up a whole
paragraph is obviously meant to be taken seriously.

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[Brian Gaff]

Always remember though that today is yesterdays tomorrow.

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[Brian Gaff]

Yes so do I, but I fear its losing its potency. Apparently its all because
that little flap that stops reflux does not fit as well as we get older and
everything tends to sag and move south.

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[Brian Gaff]

There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.

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[Brian Gaff]

Of course, I'm sure that those selling catalytic converters are not also
subsidising the crooks who nick them.

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[Brian Gaff]

Maybe he thought you had no money the first time!

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[Brian Gaff]

I guess for exhaust parts it is a very extreme environment. Grit and wet
from the road heat and cola extremes and vibration, so its not surprising
that they suffer.

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I had what I thought was heartburn a few years ago and tried all the OTC
remedies I could find. It was only when I started noticing v. dark pee
and light-brown stools (I'd started going yellow, too) that I went to
the Dr. and was diagnosed with stones that had migrated from my
gall-bladder and were blocking the bile duct.
Somehow, they got them out with a large probe down my throat.


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[Chris Elvidge]

On 05/11/2023 11:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
> Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for

That should be "Ute" as short for "Utility Vehicle" (AKA "pickup truck"
or "flatbed" in Leftpondian; I don't know what we call them.)

Brian, that's "you tee ee" not (as you had it) "why you tee ee"
I realise that might be an effect of your speech translator. Sorry, if so.

> example has always puzzled me, presumably being a utility vehicle, which is
> attempting to be everything to everyone.
>
> Barbie is getting on my nerves as well.

Yes, but Sun readers rejoice.

>
> I guess its an age thing, I heard a couple of youfs talking about a trip
> they were about to go on to the coast and were trying to find where the best
> 'gas' station was to fill up on the way.
> I guess with vehicles it all started by naming that magazine Auto trader,
> not car trader.
>
> Brian
>


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On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.

Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
> > We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>
> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>

Fuitcase? Ficker-Fasket? Famper? Fopping-Frolley?

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[John Williamson]

On 05/11/2023 03:19, RustyHinge wrote:

> 'Heartburn' can be dangerous if you ignore it: the oesophgus can get
> acid burns wich become cancerous.
>
>

It can also be a symptom of actual heart problems.

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[Tim+]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>
> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>

Well I have a “frunk”. I tried “fronnet” & “froot” but they felt even
wrongerer.

[Richard Robinson]

We do also have 'trunk', but sadly we don't carry our luggage in
elephants. This might be because a 'boot' is enough to keep it from
getting wet & muddy.


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[John Williamson]

On 05/11/2023 12:15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>
> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>

A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?

When we moved from Sarf Efrika to Ingerland, most of our family
possessions travelled in metal "cabin trunks", which sailed home while
we flew. We took four days, the trunks took four weeks...

Early automobiles used to have a platform at the back to place your
trunk on, which, I assume, is where the left pondians got the word to
describe the luggage compartment from.

I have no idea why we call it a boot.

[Peter]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote in
news:20231105121545.e7f9...@eircom.net:

> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for
>> Trunk.
>
> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.

"Front boot" is less trendy but more informative.

--
Peter
-----

[maus]

On 2023-11-05, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
> Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for
> example has always puzzled me, presumably being a utility vehicle, which is
> attempting to be everything to everyone.
>
> Barbie is getting on my nerves as well.
>
> I guess its an age thing, I heard a couple of youfs talking about a trip
> they were about to go on to the coast and were trying to find where the best
> 'gas' station was to fill up on the way.
> I guess with vehicles it all started by naming that magazine Auto trader,
> not car trader.
>
> Brian
>

Agreed. Perhaps we (As in West European Islanders) mandate `petrol'
instead of `gas'. Anything but `Benzin'

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BringBack(Bonking)Boris..

[maus]

On 2023-11-05, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Funnily enough, I can distinctly remember at school that the words proven
> and Gotten were in fact in English a long while ago, but whereas they died
> out here, the Americans went with them.
> I still find center and color actually more logical than the way we do it.
>
> Some words in popular songs did not take off here though.
> Boardwalk, for example as in under the Boardwalk, and Boondocks as in out
> in the, one assumes it means the poorer and far away parts of town. I don't
> know the derivation of that one.
>
>

Boondoc, AFAIK, is from Tagalog (Philipono)

[maus]

Unless it is an old volkswagen.

Man looking under hood "Someone has stolen my engine", friend, "Dont
worry, I have a spare on in back.''

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 5 Nov 2023 13:08:32 GMT

Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well I have a “frunk”. I tried “fronnet” & “froot” but they felt even
> wrongerer.

Froot isn't too bad, but perhaps not in an Opel.

[Richard Robinson]

My family's first car had one of those, it hinged down when we had
something to strap onto it. It was a 'luggage carrier'. I can't unforget
what we put on it, but I don't unforget the word 'trunk'.

These days, I still occasionally come across the phrase 'steamer trunk',
I don't think I've ever seen one. Cooked rice in bulk ?

> I have no idea why we call it a boot.
>


--

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 13:14:43 +0000
John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
> placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?

Also used by stewed ants (at least when I was one) to transfer the
bulk of possessions to and from college at start and end of year, also to
store things not being taken home during the short holidays.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 05-Nov-23 11:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Always remember though that today is yesterdays tomorrow.

Ahbut.

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from
day to day."

Which just goes to show that the world is full of creeps.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 05-Nov-23 11:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Funnily enough, I can distinctly remember at school that the words proven
> and Gotten were in fact in English a long while ago, but whereas they died
> out here, the Americans went with them.
> I still find center and color actually more logical than the way we do it.
>
> Some words in popular songs did not take off here though.
> Boardwalk, for example as in under the Boardwalk, and Boondocks as in out
> in the, one assumes it means the poorer and far away parts of town. I don't
> know the derivation of that one.

Tagalog IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_language

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 05-Nov-23 16:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 13:14:43 +0000
> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
>> placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?
>
> Also used by stewed ants (at least when I was one) to transfer the
> bulk of possessions to and from college at start and end of year, also to
> store things not being taken home during the short holidays.
>

One of which my dearly beloved had in her stewed-ent daze.

Even now, <cough> decades later, it still resides in the spare bedroom[1].

[1] Is it a 'bedroom' if it doesn't contain a bed? If so, why?

--
Sam Plusnet

[RustyHinge]

On 05/11/2023 13:12, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Tim+ said:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>>> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>>>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>>>
>>> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>>> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>>>
>>
>> Well I have a “frunk”. I tried “fronnet” & “froot” but they felt even
>> wrongerer.
>
> We do also have 'trunk', but sadly we don't carry our luggage in
> elephants. This might be because a 'boot' is enough to keep it from
> getting wet & muddy.
>

I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.

[RustyHinge]

On 05/11/2023 16:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 13:14:43 +0000
> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
>> placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?
>
> Also used by stewed ants (at least when I was one) to transfer the
> bulk of possessions to and from college at start and end of year, also to
> store things not being taken home during the short holidays.
>

I well unforget having to keep tabs on my trunk on my journeys to and
from bawdy fpubby aged nine to thirteen.

I also unforget the great big black Atlantics which hauled me from
Liverpool street or Shenfield as far as Colchester Continuation was by
smallerer locomotions.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <BvQ1N.191103$6sw7....@fx15.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
<n...@home.com> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 17:44:02 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote

Replies to Brian's posts become meaningless because the reader does not
know what came before Brian's posts.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Oů sont les neiges d'antan?"

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <ui80ub$3vtf3$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Elvidge
<ch...@mshome.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 12:14:00 awoke Nicholas from

My father's chronic heartburn turned out to be chronic heart disease, he
probably also had a hiatus hernia.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <2CQ1N.191104$6sw7....@fx15.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
<n...@home.com> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 17:50:54 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote

It certainly is, my wife comes from the Bundok, although her mother
tongue is Cebuano.

Brownie points for those who can pronounce Tagalog correctly.

[Adrian]

In message <ui8d26$1s79$1...@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
<ric...@qualmograph.org.uk> writes

>These days, I still occasionally come across the phrase 'steamer trunk',
>I don't think I've ever seen one. Cooked rice in bulk ?
>

Parents used to have a couple of them, one of them painted with funnel
paint. The unforgettery suggests that they were donated to a heritage
railway (for platform displays) rather a lot of fortnights ago.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <ui81f6$3vvvm$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Elvidge
<ch...@mshome.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 12:23:00 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote

>On 05/11/2023 11:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
>> Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for
>
>That should be "Ute" as short for "Utility Vehicle" (AKA "pickup truck"
>or "flatbed" in Leftpondian; I don't know what we call them.)
>

The name Utah (the state) was derived from the Ute people, who live in
that area. I have discovered today that the Ute people do not call
themselves 'Ute'. It is the Pueblo people who call the Ute people
'Ute'.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <20231105121545.e7f9...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 12:15:45 awoke

Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote

>On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>"Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>
> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>

Have we? Frunk? Tinger error?

I do not think I have heard any rightpondian refer to a frunk, or indeed
a a trunk, when the mean the boot of the car. I thought a 'hood' was a
guy in the Whitehouse from 2017 t0 2021. I could be wrong. Would that
make him a Frump, I like it.

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <slrnukfch...@deb2.org>, maus <ma...@deb2.org> on Sun,
5 Nov 2023 at 15:17:59 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote

>On 2023-11-05, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Funnily enough, I can distinctly remember at school that the words proven
>> and Gotten were in fact in English a long while ago, but whereas they died
>> out here, the Americans went with them.
>> I still find center and color actually more logical than the way we do it.
>>
>> Some words in popular songs did not take off here though.
>> Boardwalk, for example as in under the Boardwalk, and Boondocks as in out
>> in the, one assumes it means the poorer and far away parts of town. I don't
>> know the derivation of that one.
>>
>>
>
>Boondoc, AFAIK, is from Tagalog (Philipono)
>

Small correction: Boondocks is from Tagalog (Filipino). Strictly
speaking Tagalog is the language of the Tagalog people who come from the
central area of Luzon and Filipino, along with American English, are the
National Languages of The Philippines.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 17:58:26 +0000
RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
> context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.

Eclectic cars, not having infernal combustion injuns, often have
some storage space at the front under the bonnet. In leftpondia this has
become known as a frunk (front trunk), this term is turning up over here in
eclectic car madverts so I'm looking for a better (more rightpondian) one.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:54:02 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20231105121545.e7f9...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 12:15:45 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
> >"Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
> >> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for
> >> Trunk.
> >
> > Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
> >need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
> >
> Have we? Frunk? Tinger error?
>
> I do not think I have heard any rightpondian refer to a frunk, or indeed
> a a trunk, when the mean the boot of the car.

The frunk is not the boot it is at the front, a storage space under
the bonnet of an eclectic car.

> I thought a 'hood' was a
> guy in the Whitehouse from 2017 t0 2021. I could be wrong. Would that
> make him a Frump, I like it.

Let's not get onto popping out to smoke a fag and how it might be
construed by a redneck.

[James Heaton]

On 05/11/2023 15:23, maus wrote:
> On 2023-11-05, Peter <mys...@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote in
>> news:20231105121545.e7f9...@eircom.net:
>>
>>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>>> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>>>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for
>>>> Trunk.
>>>
>>> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>>> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>>
>> "Front boot" is less trendy but more informative.
>>
>
> Unless it is an old volkswagen.
>
> Man looking under hood "Someone has stolen my engine", friend, "Dont
> worry, I have a spare on in back.''
>

There is an episode of 'a sharp intake of breath' where David Jason and
another actor playing a mechanic spend much time looking into the front
luggage compartment of a rear engined Fiat...

James

[me9]

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:

Mine's reputed to be caused by teh latter.
--
braind

[me9]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> Eclectic cars, not having infernal combustion injuns, often have some
> storage space at the front under the bonnet. In leftpondia this has become
> known as a frunk (front trunk), this term is turning up over here in
> eclectic car madverts so I'm looking for a better (more rightpondian) one.
>

What was it called in that treznal car with the injun in it's nefr?
Similarly th impish one? Long before common eclectic ones.

--
braind

[Chris Elvidge]

I had a Hillman dimp van - engine effectively inside - with a leaky head
gasket. Was a bit smelly when driving.
We called the front empty(ish) bit the boot.


--
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I WILL NOT CELEBRATE MEANINGLESS MILESTONES

[Sam Plusnet]

My response is only to Brian's comments on "tomorrow".
I didn't include anything which preceded it, for t'was not relevant.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 05-Nov-23 19:03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 17:58:26 +0000
> RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
>> context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.
>
> Eclectic cars, not having infernal combustion injuns, often have
> some storage space at the front under the bonnet. In leftpondia this has
> become known as a frunk (front trunk), this term is turning up over here in
> eclectic car madverts so I'm looking for a better (more rightpondian) one.
>

Front Parlour.

(To suggest that a young lady was "Letting out her Front Parlour" was a
Victorian obfuscation for prostitution.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <20231105161008.0b21...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 16:10:08 awoke

Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote

>On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 13:14:43 +0000
>John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
>> placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?
>
> Also used by stewed ants (at least when I was one) to transfer the
>bulk of possessions to and from college at start and end of year, also to
>store things not being taken home during the short holidays.
>

Ditto for this stewed ant (1967-70). British Railways used to pick it up
with their local pick up truck from home or hall of residence and
deliver it. I cannot remember how much it cost, but it did not break my
piggy bank.

[RustyHinge]

If You are interested enough, just scroll down and read what ought to be
above.

[RustyHinge]

On 05/11/2023 19:03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 17:58:26 +0000
> RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
>> context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.
>
> Eclectic cars, not having infernal combustion injuns, often have
> some storage space at the front under the bonnet. In leftpondia this has
> become known as a frunk (front trunk), this term is turning up over here in
> eclectic car madverts so I'm looking for a better (more rightpondian) one.
>

Toecap?

[RustyHinge]

Jonothan Routh & co perpetrated a nice one, coasting into a gridge in,
IIRC a 'Beetle' and pulling-up at the pumps. Asked the attendant to
check the oil. Opened the back - no engine, so opened the fromt.

Routh said something on the lines of: "There must be one, how do you
think we got here?

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the

BOFH.?f

[Nicholas D. Richards]

In article <ui9dtc$6h6g$2...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar
.girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 01:01:32 awoke Nicholas from his

slumbers and wrote
>On 05/11/2023 18:16, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <BvQ1N.191103$6sw7....@fx15.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>> <n...@home.com> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 17:44:02 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> Always remember though that today is yesterdays tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Ahbut.
>>>
>>> "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from
>>> day to day."
>>>
>>> Which just goes to show that the world is full of creeps.
>>>
>> Replies to Brian's posts become meaningless because the reader does not
>> know what came before Brian's posts.
>>
>If You are interested enough, just scroll down and read what ought to be
>above.
>

Wish it was so easy. His signature block causes following compliant
readers to clear previous comments.

[Tim+]

Nicholas D. Richards <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20231105121545.e7f9...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 12:15:45 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>>
>> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>>
> Have we? Frunk? Tinger error?

Nope. “Front trunk”. A space for storing stuff under the bonnet (or hood)
of a car. Quite common in EVs.

Tim

--
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[maus]

On 2023-11-05, Richard Robinson <ric...@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
> John Williamson said:

>> On 05/11/2023 12:15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>>> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>>>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>>>
>>> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>>> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>>>

>> A trunk in Rightpondian is a lockable container for your luggage, often
>> placed in the hold of your ship when travelling. Also known as a chest?
>>

>> When we moved from Sarf Efrika to Ingerland, most of our family
>> possessions travelled in metal "cabin trunks", which sailed home while
>> we flew. We took four days, the trunks took four weeks...
>>
>> Early automobiles used to have a platform at the back to place your
>> trunk on, which, I assume, is where the left pondians got the word to
>> describe the luggage compartment from.
>
> My family's first car had one of those, it hinged down when we had
> something to strap onto it. It was a 'luggage carrier'. I can't unforget
> what we put on it, but I don't unforget the word 'trunk'.

>
> These days, I still occasionally come across the phrase 'steamer trunk',
> I don't think I've ever seen one. Cooked rice in bulk ?
>

>> I have no idea why we call it a boot.
>>
>
>
My Mother travelled across the atlantic in the `Muritania' (sp?)
several times. There was lots of room for baggage and to meet people.
Not Ryanair.


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[Brian Gaff]

So how come there is a song about it and its most certainly American.

Brian

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[John Williamson]

On 06/11/2023 08:16, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <ui9dtc$6h6g$2...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar
> ..girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 01:01:32 awoke Nicholas from his

> slumbers and wrote
>> On 05/11/2023 18:16, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> Replies to Brian's posts become meaningless because the reader does not
>>> know what came before Brian's posts.
>>>
>> If You are interested enough, just scroll down and read what ought to be
>> above.
>>
> Wish it was so easy. His signature block causes following compliant
> readers to clear previous comments.
>

If I can be bothered, I just open and read the post he is replying to.

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John.

[Brian Gaff]

Yes as a diversion for a second, Speech synths would need to spell every
word to always sound like the word is spelled as English, even bastardised
English has many words or part of words spelled the same but said
differently.
Gateshead is said as gate Shed by most synths but one does need to be
careful as it might muck it up elsewhere.
To use and pronounce the word wind, it would need to look at sentence and
context as wined a clock is sounding better than wind a clock with some
synths but others go the other way.
I always thought when Thunderbirds was on that her name was Lady Penny
Lope, as antelope was different, but looked the same

Brian

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> On 05/11/2023 11:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
>> Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for
>
> That should be "Ute" as short for "Utility Vehicle" (AKA "pickup truck" or
> "flatbed" in Leftpondian; I don't know what we call them.)
>

> Brian, that's "you tee ee" not (as you had it) "why you tee ee"
> I realise that might be an effect of your speech translator. Sorry, if so.
>
>> example has always puzzled me, presumably being a utility vehicle, which
>> is
>> attempting to be everything to everyone.
>>
>> Barbie is getting on my nerves as well.
>
> Yes, but Sun readers rejoice.
>
>>
>> I guess its an age thing, I heard a couple of youfs talking about a trip
>> they were about to go on to the coast and were trying to find where the
>> best
>> 'gas' station was to fill up on the way.
>> I guess with vehicles it all started by naming that magazine Auto
>> trader,
>> not car trader.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
>
> --
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> I WILL NOT DRIVE THE PRINCIPAL'S CAR

[Brian Gaff]

Not sure that is right, as we call ute SuV.
I also wonder what the American description of semi-truck is, often
shortened to Semi.

Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?

Brian

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"maus" <ma...@deb2.org> wrote in message news:slrnukfca...@deb2.org...

> On 2023-11-05, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes there is a lot of that going on the word truck instead of Lorry.
>> Candy instead of sweet, I also hear quite a few Australians. Yute for

>> example has always puzzled me, presumably being a utility vehicle, which
>> is
>> attempting to be everything to everyone.
>>
>> Barbie is getting on my nerves as well.
>>

>> I guess its an age thing, I heard a couple of youfs talking about a trip
>> they were about to go on to the coast and were trying to find where the
>> best
>> 'gas' station was to fill up on the way.
>> I guess with vehicles it all started by naming that magazine Auto
>> trader,
>> not car trader.
>>
>> Brian
>>

> Agreed. Perhaps we (As in West European Islanders) mandate `petrol'
> instead of `gas'. Anything but `Benzin'

[RustyHinge]

On 06/11/2023 08:16, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <ui9dtc$6h6g$2...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar

> ..girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 01:01:32 awoke Nicholas from his

> slumbers and wrote
>> On 05/11/2023 18:16, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <BvQ1N.191103$6sw7....@fx15.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>>> <n...@home.com> on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 at 17:44:02 awoke Nicholas from his
>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> Always remember though that today is yesterdays tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Ahbut.
>>>>
>>>> "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from
>>>> day to day."
>>>>
>>>> Which just goes to show that the world is full of creeps.
>>>>
>>> Replies to Brian's posts become meaningless because the reader does not
>>> know what came before Brian's posts.
>>>
>> If You are interested enough, just scroll down and read what ought to be
>> above.
>>
> Wish it was so easy. His signature block causes following compliant
> readers to clear previous comments.
>

Thunderbum just greys them down.

[Brian Gaff]

In this new world order, which is basically the old world order, before
many of today's youngsters were born, surely the right to repair on a
vehicle is really going to upset some makers of things.cars that need to be
100 percent deconstructed to change a fan in the heater system.

As for general products like No more welded together kettles or riveted
toasters or similar goods...
What can one ay?

Brian

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"Adrian" <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> wrote in message
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> In message <qofakil17vm6jheb0...@4ax.com>,
> hub...@ccanoemail.com writes
>>On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:51:35 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Clinically proven
>>>Lifetime guarantee
>>>
>>>Do seem to be creeping into adverts and descriptions In the first
>>>instance,
>>>it does often not say exactly what is clinically proven, and in the
>>>second
>>>it does not specify the lifetime of what?
>>>Brian
>>
>>
>> re : lifetime guarantee
>>
>> It's been 50 years or more since our North American muffler shops
>>have been proudly advertising their "lifetime guarantee" ..
>> As a young car-owner, I soon learned that, not only were their
>> mufflers _not_ more durable than the others - but often they
>>were _less_ durable - because their free replacement mufflers
>>got you back into their shop sooner, so they could charge you for
>>pipes, clamps, hangers, etc and even push some shocks and brakes ..
>> Fast forward to modern times - I think that I've had maybe 2
>>mufflers replaced in total on my last 6 cars spanning 20 years ;
>> and the pipes were fine - stainless steel doncha know ..
>> John T.
>
> If the unforgettery is jbexvat correctly, it is 22 years since I last had
> to replace an exhaust system,
>
> When I had my Lard Roller, it was a rather different story. On one
> occasion when I was getting it done at a well known national chain, they
> asked me if I wanted a lifetime guarantee. "Wot's that" I enquired. "For
> as long as you keep the vehicle, we'll replace any part of the exhaust
> that fails at SFP". As the pbfg was small Zu, I went ahead. A several of
> years later, I had a rather thick pile of receipts saying "free" to show.
> That was a good deal so far as I was concerned. They were jbexvat on the
> basis that people don't keep old (er) cars for long, so in the vast
> majority of cases, they never have to replace bits.

[Brian Gaff]

Fronett? Of course rear engined cars just sayfront luggage bay.

So at what speed on a hot day is it cheaper to close the windows and use the
air con.

Oh and while we are talking about cars, the US did not have much luck with
ordinary rear engine cars made there. I remember a car called something like
the Corvair that was a death trap if you had a crash.

Brian

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[RustyHinge]

On 06/11/2023 08:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?

National Benzole, so, no.

[Sn!pe]

ICBA with that, I just let whatever meaning there may once have been
melt into the general miasma of mystery that is Sheddism.

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[John Williamson]

On 06/11/2023 10:43, Sn!pe wrote:

> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> If I can be bothered, I just open and read the post he is replying to.
>
> ICBA with that, I just let whatever meaning there may once have been
> melt into the general miasma of mystery that is Sheddism.
>

The way it works here is that when I open the post, I see what he's
replying to, and it's not until I decide to reply that Thunderguts
strips everything after his sig sep. <Alt+tab> switches between the two
panes.

[Jeff Gaines]

On 06/11/2023 in message <kqruth...@mid.individual.net> John

That is what the RFC sets out, my news reader has done the same for your
post. Top posting causes problems (as you can see from emails where it's
the norm since the masses were allowed to use computers).

To me it's a minor inconvenience to support somebody with a sight
impairment.

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The first five days after the weekend are the hardest.

[Richard Robinson]

RustyHinge said:
> On 05/11/2023 13:12, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Tim+ said:

>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:46:21 -0000
>>>> "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are two americanisms right there. Shocks and muffler.
>>>>> We have our own words here, just like Bonnet for Hood and Boot for Trunk.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly we seem to have inherited frunk. I appeal to all sheddi we
>>>> need a worm better suited to this side of the pond.
>>>>
>>>

>>> Well I have a “frunk”. I tried “fronnet” & “froot” but they felt even
>>> wrongerer.
>>
>> We do also have 'trunk', but sadly we don't carry our luggage in
>> elephants. This might be because a 'boot' is enough to keep it from
>> getting wet & muddy.

>>
> I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
> context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.

'Boot' could be either. 'Luggage' is a noun.

It concerns the terminology of carp arts.


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[Richard Robinson]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 17:58:26 +0000
> RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>

>> I have FA idea what you're all on about - never heard the worm and
>> context doesn't suggest whether it' a noun or a verb - or much at all.
>

> Eclectic cars, not having infernal combustion injuns, often have
> some storage space at the front under the bonnet. In leftpondia this has
> become known as a frunk (front trunk), this term is turning up over here in
> eclectic car madverts so I'm looking for a better (more rightpondian) one.

Not being in the market for one of those, I saw it here first.

[Sn!pe]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> Let's not get onto popping out to smoke a fag and how it might be
> construed by a redneck.

Ohzzvat n snt would be worserer.

[Chris Elvidge]

My NewsReader/Email client - Thunderbird - lets me set different reply
formats for News (bottom post) and Email (top post). Do others allow this?

The "norm" was caused by Outlook Express (AFAIR) which only did top posting.


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[Chris Elvidge]

On 06/11/2023 08:57, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Not sure that is right, as we call ute SuV.
> I also wonder what the American description of semi-truck is, often
> shortened to Semi.
>
> Brian
>

AFAIK - Semi (AmE truck) = Artic(ulated) (BrE lorry)

An SUV is not a Ute (again AFAIK). SUV is fully enclosed, Ute has an
open back bed.

[maus]

On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>
> Brian
>

When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
wanted put in the tank.

I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
the Char needed special pumps.

[RustyHinge]

On 06/11/2023 14:49, maus wrote:
> On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
>> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
> When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
> wanted put in the tank.
>
> I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
> so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
> Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
> the Char needed special pumps.
>

Most military vehicles run on petrol. You want your vehicles to start-up
even in freezing weather. AFAIK this applies to tanks, but Char? WTF is
a Char? Charlady/Charwoman is unlikely to function well on any petrol or
diseasel.

[Richard Robinson]

RustyHinge said:
> On 06/11/2023 14:49, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
>>> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>
>> When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
>> wanted put in the tank.
>>
>> I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
>> so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
>> Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
>> the Char needed special pumps.
>>
> Most military vehicles run on petrol. You want your vehicles to start-up
> even in freezing weather. AFAIK this applies to tanks, but Char? WTF is
> a Char? Charlady/Charwoman is unlikely to function well on any petrol or
> diseasel.

I think it's a fish.

[maus]

On 2023-11-06, RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/11/2023 14:49, maus wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
>>> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>
>> When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
>> wanted put in the tank.
>>
>> I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
>> so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
>> Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
>> the Char needed special pumps.
>>
> Most military vehicles run on petrol. You want your vehicles to start-up
> even in freezing weather. AFAIK this applies to tanks, but Char? WTF is
> a Char? Charlady/Charwoman is unlikely to function well on any petrol or
> diseasel.
>
>

French heavy tank at the Time, from memory.

[Sn!pe]

maus <ma...@deb2.org> wrote:

> On 2023-11-06, RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 06/11/2023 14:49, maus wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
> >>> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>
> >> When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
> >> wanted put in the tank.
> >>
> >> I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
> >> so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
> >> Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
> >> the Char needed special pumps.
> >>
> > Most military vehicles run on petrol. You want your vehicles to start-up
> > even in freezing weather. AFAIK this applies to tanks, but Char? WTF is
> > a Char? Charlady/Charwoman is unlikely to function well on any petrol or
> > diseasel.
> >
> >
> French heavy tank at the Time, from memory.

Cheating:

"Any French tank (from char d'assaut), but more specifically one with a
short designation such as:

Char B1, a French heavy tank manufactured before the Second World War
Char 2C, a super-heavy French tank developed during the First World War
Char D1, a pre-World War II French tank
Char D2, a French tank of the Interbellum
Char G1, a French replacement project for the Char D2 medium tank"

[RustyHinge]

On 06/11/2023 17:32, Richard Robinson wrote:
> RustyHinge said:
>> On 06/11/2023 14:49, maus wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
>>>> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>
>>> When Frau Benz went on that trip, she had difficulty specifying what she
>>> wanted put in the tank.
>>>
>>> I read years ago that one of the reasons that the German Army performed
>>> so well in 1940 was that a German tank, smaller and less armoured than a
>>> Char, could be refuelled at a French petrol (benzene) station, while
>>> the Char needed special pumps.
>>>
>> Most military vehicles run on petrol. You want your vehicles to start-up
>> even in freezing weather. AFAIK this applies to tanks, but Char? WTF is
>> a Char? Charlady/Charwoman is unlikely to function well on any petrol or
>> diseasel.
>
> I think it's a fish.
>

A very hot fish?

[Sam Plusnet]

"pre-World War II" and "Interbellum"

In this context, aren't those two the same thing?

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[Richard Robinson]

When overcooked. Not when Arctic.

[me9]

National Benzole mixture. Contained alcohol, like E10 stuff. Higher octane.

"Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There used to be a brand of petrol called National Benzene.
> I guess that would make Paraffin into Kerosene then?
>
> Brian
>


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