ASA swimming level and comparison to our Staged Swimming badges?
poison dwarf
distance each.
Now am busy trying to compare the level achieved with the right badge stage.
Can't find a comparison to make it easier, such as the St. John levels and
Emergency aid.
Anyone have a clue? I'm trying to do this while watching the Welsh match,
(who won!)
thanks
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Amanda Lawrence (Akela)
Dragons & Griffins
2nd/4th Barry Cub Scouts
chris.5th
wrote:
i ask their instructors to decide what they have achieved and sign it
off.
tomahawk
800m is level 3.
Bronze is level 4 if they have done personal survival 1
Silver is level 5.
All badges need them to have attended a beaver/cub/scout/group/
district swim event since their last badge tho.
Kate
s.com>, tomahawk <rebecc...@gmail.com> writes
That last bit was changed in the last badge review - they now have to
"take part in an organised swimming activity" - not necessarily a Scout
organised one.
--
Kate Alexander
Cub Scout Leader
1st Weald Brook, Brentwood, Essex.
www.1stwealdbrook.org.uk
tomahawk
> In article <70e34fee-3ac7-4a97-85e7-79d9d41bd...@m34g2000hsc.googlegroup
> s.com>, tomahawk <rebecca.k...@gmail.com> writes
i love the new badge requirements - they are so wooly!
What is an organised swim activity - swimming lesson at school?
swimming party? Gala? going to the local pool with your mate?
chris.5th
would you prefer them to be prohibitively specific? we are trusted as
leaders (law no 1) to be sensible and award as appropriate. I delegate
that to somebody more qualified (their instructor) but still have
final say
Dave
"poison dwarf" <newsgrou...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Two cubs very proudly brought in their certificates, a silver and 800m
> distance each.
>
> Now am busy trying to compare the level achieved with the right badge
> stage.
>
> Can't find a comparison to make it easier, such as the St. John levels and
> Emergency aid.
>
> Anyone have a clue? I'm trying to do this while watching the Welsh match,
> (who won!)
>
> thanks
>
The swimming awards are very difficult depending on where you live. Where I
am our own education authority have their own swimming awards and the
swimming lessons have another - both possibly based on the ASA ones but not
directly comparable.
What I have tended to do is get a copy of the requirements of these and then
compare with what the Scouts have to do.
In some cases it has been close enough for me with an odd thing short but
another in it's place etc.
I'm sure that you will be able to get something similar.
DaveB
West Yorks
GAGS
> distance each.
>
> Now am busy trying to compare the level achieved with the right badge stage.
>
> Can't find a comparison to make it easier, such as the St. John levels and
> Emergency aid.
>
> Anyone have a clue? I'm trying to do this while watching the Welsh match,
> (who won!)
>
> thanks
>
The ASA awards (Kellog's scheme) is a very wide ranging series of
awards.
You have Duckling awards for the very young; Rainbow awards which are
a comprehensive distance award scheme (up to 5k in 19 stages IIRC);
Water skills for confidence, skills, endurance in 6 levels; Rescue and
Personal Survival - the latter in 2 stages; Challenge awards at
Bronze, Silver, Gold and Honours covering a wide range of skills,
strokes, stamina/endurance; Comp. Start; Competitive Performance
covering starts, strokes, turns in sprint, middle and distance, at
bronze, silver, gold, platinum, plus merit and advanced (loads of
stages here!); Swimming Strokes - back, breast, fly, free, and medley;
National Curriculum water skills and safety.
At times I think there are more awards in this scheme than there are
badges and awards in scouting!
The scheme is progressive within each element (i.e in Challenge Silver
is a higher level than Bronze) but not necessarily between elements.
i.e. someone who's a good distance swimmer isn't necessarily a
challenge honours standard. At any one time it's likely that a yp
working on building their all-round swimming skills, strokes, stamina,
etc will be meeting requirements from two or three of these kellog's
schemes.
Most swimming instruction these days follows the National Plan for
Teaching Swimming (NPTS) scheme. This is a 12 level scheme from Non-
swimmer (1 & 2) to Advanced Swimmer (11 & 12)
Level 1
·Swivel entry
·blow bubbles 5 seconds
·submerge fully - 6 times continuously
·hop,skip and jump around the pool
·open eyes under water and identify an object
Level 2
·vertical rotation of 360°
·push off from side, float on back for 5 seconds
·push off from side, float on front for 5 seconds
·motionless float for 5 seconds
·climb out of pool without use of steps
Level 3
·jump into water
·kneel on floor of pool
·submerge for 5 seconds
·float on flat of surface on front then regain feet
·show sculling action - repeat 6 times
Level 4 - 10m badge
·float on surface on back then regain feet
·streamline for 5 seconds
·hold tucked floating position for 10 seconds
Level 5
·3 different jumps entering feet first
·mushroom float for 10 seconds
·streamline for 5 seconds on back from wall
·tread water for 10 seconds
·scull 5 m head first on back
·horizontal rotation through 360º
Level 6
·Feet first surface dive
·Head first surface dive
·star float on back - 5 seconds
·pick up item swim 5 m and carry back to surface
·hoop through distance of 5 m
Level 7 - 20m and 25m badges
·straddle jump emtry
·surface dive - pick up object swim 5 m underwater, return and exit
unaided from side
·push glide and somersault
·scull 5m head first, on back - rotate to front. Half somersault,
scull 5m feet first on back.
Level 8 - 50m badge
·jump with tuck entry
·tread water for 30secs head above throughout - two methods of kicking
to include one arm of water for 10 secs
·back somersault starting with horizontal position
·handstand for 5 seconds - shoulder depth water
Level 9 - front and back efficient strokes badges
·pencil, star, tuck, pike turning jump into water
·sequence: push off on back, glide head first, scull 5m, back
somersault, feet first scull 5m,rotate 360º in a vertical tucked
position
·surface dive to collect brick off pool bottom, carry 10m ON BACK and
return to poolside
Level 10 - 100m and 150m badges. Also prelim diving should be
complete by now.
· plunge dive - streamline for 5m
·tread water and throw a ball to a partner 5m away accurately.
·3 min circuit;one feet first dive, one head first dive, one swim
through hoop, tread water 15 seconds with one arm out of water
throughout. Climb out of deep end unaided.
Level 11 - breast and fly stroke badges by now. Diving badges
·3 pre swim loosening exercises
·tread water 1 min - one hand out 30 secs - signalling for help
·FC head up propelling ball (dribbling ball) for 15m in control.
Tread water 30seconds. Pick up ball and throw into hoop 5m away on
poolside
·on back scull head first 10m, back somersault, and scull feet first
for 10 m show star float for 10 seconds
·from push and glide show back circle with body stretched throughout
·use of pace clock
·kick only no floats
Level 12 - should be able to take precomp badge 1 about now.
·FC racing start - transition
·BC racing start - transition
·Breaststroke start - transition
·25m alternating kick, sim arms
·25m sim kick, alternating kick
·backC turn
·stroke counting
The scouting badge scheme is wholly progressive and incorporates
elements from all the Kellog's scheme.
There isn't a simple 'map' from one scheme/award to the other.
There are a number of approaches you can take:
1. Ignore any external (to scouting) awards and assess yourself. This
would also satisfy the organised swimming activity requirement.
Problem here is that you'll need to hire a pool (or pool time) and it
takes time especially if you have a wide range of abilities. Benefit
is certainty of assessment and maintainance of standards.
2. Ask the swimming coach/teacher to assess their swimming club or
school swimming against the scouting standards, i.e. pass a copy of
the standards to them and get them to sign off against each of the
requirements. Very simple and hassle free for you but no guarantee
that an accurate assessment of swimming skills will be made.
3. Ask the yp to bring in certificates and a specification listing the
certificate requirements (or ask their swimming coach/teacher to
provide a specification). You then use these to map against the
scouting awards. One award certificate (NPTS or Kellogs scheme) may
not fufill all the requirements of a level of the scouting award
scheme.
With 2 and 3 of course there's the issue of the organised swimming
activity. Now I know that it does not specify in the requirements that
this must be a scouting organised swimming activity but for me I
insist that it is.
I fail to see how a scouting swimming award is a scouting award if
it's all done external to scouting and is never used or demonstrated
within scouting.
I'm not against award requirements being met by doing activities
external to scouting. I organise 1 swimming test evening and up to 2
fun swims per year plus we have a district gala. I can't do a swimming
badge assessment at the drop of a hat or more times than I do (time
and expense!) however, I will insist that to finally achieve an award
some element must be done in or through scouting. That element must at
its most simplest must be to take part in a scouting organised badge
activity.
GAGS
John Russell
>Two cubs very proudly brought in their certificates, a silver and 800m
>distance each.
>
>Now am busy trying to compare the level achieved with the right badge stage.
>
>Can't find a comparison to make it easier, such as the St. John levels and
>Emergency aid.
>
>Anyone have a clue? I'm trying to do this while watching the Welsh match,
>(who won!)
>
>thanks
Several years ago I asked the same question on this newsgroup. The best
reply was from Marc, who advised measuring the stack of certificates and
awarding badges on the basis of 1cm=1 Stage. So a 1cm stack of certificates
gets Stage 1, 2cm of certificates is needed for Stage 2, and etc.
I've still not found a more satisfactory conversion.
--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon
http://www.pinhoescouts.org.uk/cubs/
Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.
Paul Harris
<jrus...@jrrconsulting.co.uk> writes
>Several years ago I asked the same question on this newsgroup. The best
>reply was from Marc, who advised measuring the stack of certificates and
>awarding badges on the basis of 1cm=1 Stage. So a 1cm stack of certificates
>gets Stage 1, 2cm of certificates is needed for Stage 2, and etc.
>
>I've still not found a more satisfactory conversion.
>
You can always rely on Marc for simple and practical solution that could
even be applied elsewhere with a little lateral thinking.
--
Paul Harris
Marc
Paul Harris
<initial...@btintenret.com> writes
Don't tell me there are two Marc's on here and I have never noticed!
--
Paul Harris