What Patrol Tent?
Kevin Wallis
My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
Kevin Wallis
SL 1st Falfield (Phoenix)
ADC(S) Severn Vale, Avon
Dave Mayall
Relum produce a very good range of 12oz canvas patrol tents, which
includes a 12' model, nearly identical to the Stormhaven
They all have quite a nice feature, in that there is dutch lacing
where the door joins the side wall, allowing much tidier brailing
of the tent.
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Dave Mayall
The views expressed are mine and may not be those of my employer
Private e-mail to david....@ukonline.co.uk please
Grenfell Richard
In article <341eeeb2....@news.cableinet.net> k.wa...@cableinet.co.uk (Kevin Wallis) writes:
>My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
>Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
>anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
>Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
>Kevin Wallis
>SL 1st Falfield (Phoenix)
>ADC(S) Severn Vale, Avon
Our group recently replaced our patrol tents with 'Patrol 12' tents
from Scout Shops.
they were the cheapest we found and they are excellent. We bought
4 together (raised the money over a year or so!) and got a discout.
We are very happy with them, they look like lasting for plenty of
camps.
Richard
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Richard Grenfell
ASL
1st Hardwick & Highfields
Cambridge
email: r...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
Byron Chatburn
In article <341eeeb2....@news.cableinet.net>, Kevin Wallis
<k.wa...@cableinet.co.uk> writes
>My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
>Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
>anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
>Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
>Kevin Wallis
>SL 1st Falfield (Phoenix)
>ADC(S) Severn Vale, Avon
companies advertising in Scouting Magazine. I think it was Hayes? in
Bedfordshire.
They were only about UKP175 each including flysheet and groundsheet.
The downside at 14' x 14' is that Scouts need a bit of help to get them
up. However, once up there is loads of space inside(we usually just
groundsheet half of the tent) and they stay cool and dark in the summer.
The flysheets also make excellent dining shelters.
--
Byron Chatburn
Scout Leader, 2nd Quorn Scouts
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Leicestershire Scouts Homepage http://www.grobynet.demon.co.uk/
Bill Neobard
In article <YdUWLTAX...@sea-band.demon.co.uk>, Byron Chatburn
<by...@sea-band.demon.co.uk> writes
>e bought a couple of ex Army Tents approx. 5 years ago, from one of the
>companies advertising in Scouting Magazine. I think it was Hayes? in
>Bedfordshire.
>
>They were only about UKP175 each including flysheet and groundsheet.
>
>The downside at 14' x 14' is that Scouts need a bit of help to get them
>up. However, once up there is loads of space inside(we usually just
>groundsheet half of the tent) and they stay cool and dark in the summer.
>
>The flysheets also make excellent dining shelters.
Yes, we use them too. In winter we've even pitched smaller tents inside
them.
The cost is now around 230 ukp.
The only downside is that you can't tell when it's light outside.
--
Bill Neobard
SL 4th Rochford
James Smith
Kevin Wallis wrote:
>
> My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
> Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
> anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
> Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
> Kevin Wallis
Try and find manufacturers rather than "catalog" companies. I know of
quite a few groups that have brought straight from the manufacturer the
same stuff Cotswold has in its catalog for a lot less.
Bradford seem to be quite good, there quality of workmanship is of good
(from what I've seen of Mess tentage), and they have no hidden extra
costs - carriage, VAT (included), rot/fire proofing (they seem to come
as standard) so that what you see in the Catalog is what you pay, and
they're prompt and sending stuff out, (although we did get our mess tent
delivered to Amikaro as the "dead-line" drifted, but it saved us lugging
it 300 miles south!)
Baggy
Graham Rhodes
Kevin Wallis <k.wa...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in article
<341eeeb2....@news.cableinet.net>...
>
> My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
> Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
> anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
> Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
> Kevin Wallis
> ADC(S) Severn Vale, Avon
Hello Kevin,
My Group are also looking to buy new Patrol Tents, but really want
to know whether these cheaper brands such as Scout Shops, Cotswold
will stand up to the wear and tear put on them by the young people.
I have used Icelandics lots in the past, and they are excellent and
will last. I have also had some experience with the Scout Shop ones
which are reasonable, but certainly do not last as long. They would
seem to get damaged around the eyelets quicker - of course a good
QM spotting problems as they occur and fixing them is essential.
So Opinions:
Icelandics:
- Expensive
- Well Made
9/10
Stormhavens:
- Expensive
?/10
Cotswold:
-
?/10
Scout Shops:
- Prone to wear / ripping around eyelets
4/10
Bradford:
-
?/10
Any Other Opinions?
YiS
Graham
ratcliffe andy
Have you tried the Challenger 5 by Lichfield, it will probably sleep five,
only costs £100 approx!
Chris Searle
<snip>
>My Group are also looking to buy new Patrol Tents, but really want
>to know whether these cheaper brands such as Scout Shops, Cotswold
>will stand up to the wear and tear put on them by the young people.
We have a mix of Icelandic, Stormhaven and ex-army tents. Oddly enough
nearly all the same age and same usage. The army tents will last
perhaps one more camp, the icelandics two or three. No similar
problems on the stormhavens. We dont have any others, but we do feel
that the performance of the stormhavens has outweighed the original
purchase cost.
YiS
Chris Searle
ASL Longship 9th Wallingon
http://www.searle1.demon.co.uk/scouts/
Chris Searle - ASL Longship 9th Wallington
ch...@searle1.demon.co.uk
http://www.searle1.demon.co.uk/scouts/
Nicholas Besley
The message <341eeeb2....@news.cableinet.net>
k.wa...@cableinet.co.uk (Kevin Wallis) contains these words:
> My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
> Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
> anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
> Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
> Kevin Wallis
> SL 1st Falfield (Phoenix)
> ADC(S) Severn Vale, Avon
Try phoning 0181 597 9898 (Broad Oak Trading)
Speak to Mr. John Buckwell (In person)
He is a one-time Scout, Senior, Rover, Service Auxilliary and BP
Guild member and might be able to offer you the benefit of his Govt.
Surplus/outdoor activities shops.
Tony
Chris Till
By the same token, my group has Icelandics two of which are ancient and
were bought just as Noah left the Ark (or so it seems!). They are
suffering a bit through their great age but we seem to have given them a
new lease of life by buying flysheets for them. They still do a job.
On the other hand, we bought a couple of Downsman patrol tents a few
years back and they are not very good at all. They are metal poled and
they bend alarmingly and quickly! We tend not to use them but favour the
very old Icelandics with new(ish) flysheets.
I should also add that we have two newer Icelandics as well.
--
Chris Till
CSL, 4th Milton Regis (St Mary's) Scout Group
Sittingbourne, Kent
Nicholas Besley
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Bill Neobard <bi...@pagewhite.co.uk> contains these words:
> In article <3420439c...@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Searle
> <chri...@searle1.demon.co.uk> writes
> >We have a mix of Icelandic, Stormhaven and ex-army tents. Oddly enough
> >nearly all the same age and same usage. The army tents will last
> >perhaps one more camp, the icelandics two or three. No similar
> >problems on the stormhavens. We dont have any others, but we do feel
> >that the performance of the stormhavens has outweighed the original
> >purchase cost.
> >
> We have Icelandics which are between 2 and 9 yrs old, and a mixture of
> ages of ex-Army 2nd hand tents-wth new flysheets.
> We camp maybe 6-7 times yearly(Troop) and once yearly (pack).
> We certainly couldn't afford to replace Icelandics after two or three
> camps, or even years.
> --
> Bill Neobard
> SL 4th Rochford
I don't think you've been reading the same text as I, Bill. Two MORE
camps Chris said. Our Group back in ye Olden Days had Icelandics and
some other similar tents, some of which were pre-war. These were
still being used into the 'seventies.
I agree with a previous poster who said that 9 oz was false economy
- however, if the devil drives - - -
Tony
Dave Mayall
James Smith wrote:
>
> Kevin Wallis wrote:
> >
> > My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
> > Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
> > anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
> > Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
> > Kevin Wallis
>
> quite a few groups that have brought straight from the manufacturer the
> same stuff Cotswold has in its catalog for a lot less.
>
> Bradford seem to be quite good, there quality of workmanship is of good
> (from what I've seen of Mess tentage), and they have no hidden extra
> costs - carriage, VAT (included), rot/fire proofing (they seem to come
> as standard) so that what you see in the Catalog is what you pay, and
> they're prompt and sending stuff out, (although we did get our mess tent
> delivered to Amikaro as the "dead-line" drifted, but it saved us lugging
> it 300 miles south!)
Very good point.
I haven't got a contact for a manufacturer, but I do know that a few
years ago a few groups in Bristol West district got together and had
tents manufactured to their own spec. If you get in touch with Bill
Loach , AGSL of the 26th Bristol (I don't have his number but kevin
should be able to find it easily enough) he might be able to point
you at a good manufacturer.
Gordon Burgess-Parker
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When I was a scout back in the late '60s with the 227th Bristol, we had
patrol tents that had been made for us by a local firm some 25 YEARS
previously in heavy duty canvas to obviate the need for fly sheets.
Thery were still going strong some ten years after (60's rock band?) I
believe. You get what you pay for in tentage!
Gordon
Bill Neobard wrote:
>
> In article <3420439c...@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Searle
> <chri...@searle1.demon.co.uk> writes
> >We have a mix of Icelandic, Stormhaven and ex-army tents. Oddly enough
> >nearly all the same age and same usage. The army tents will last
> >perhaps one more camp, the icelandics two or three. No similar
> >problems on the stormhavens. We dont have any others, but we do feel
> >that the performance of the stormhavens has outweighed the original
> >purchase cost.
> >
> We have Icelandics which are between 2 and 9 yrs old, and a mixture of
> ages of ex-Army 2nd hand tents-wth new flysheets.
> We camp maybe 6-7 times yearly(Troop) and once yearly (pack).
>
> We certainly couldn't afford to replace Icelandics after two or three
> camps, or even years.
> --
> Bill Neobard
> SL 4th Rochford
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Colin Foster
>> Kevin Wallis wrote:
>> >
>> > My Group is looking to get some new Patrol tents - Icelandics &
>> > Stormhavens are nice but you pay for them - anyone out there have
>> > anything to say (Good or Bad) about the other Patrol tent
>> > Manufacturers eg Cotswold, Bradford, Scout Shops...
>> > Kevin Wallis
>>
Bradford Cover & Tent. Of all of them, the Cub Leaders (including
myself) prefer the Bradford tents for a number of reasons:
1) They are lighter canvas so are less tiring to erect (after putting up
2 24ft dining shelters, 8 Leader tents, 2 store tents & 6 tents for the
Cubs I am sure you will understand!)
2) The walls of the tents, and the tent itself are about 6 inches more
than Nijers this is a big advantage where Cubs are concerned as they
have less chance of hitting the roof!
3) They are a lot better manufactored than the last two nijers that we
purchased from Scout shops
Hope this is useful
--
Colin Foster
Cub Leader
3rd Gee Cross Cub Pack