Kit Inspection
Graham Drabble
Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
at the moment.
Thanks,
--
Graham Drabble
1st Uxbridge
http://www.drabble.me.uk/
Peter
Graham, Is this any good? http://www.shurdington.org/Scouts/Back2Basics/Back2Basics-FullEdition.pdf
(page 15)
Peter
CSL - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for North & East Bracknell - www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
GuruChris
> Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
> kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>
> I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
> at the moment.
http://www.3rdcb.org.uk/training/land/78-camp-kit-layout
--Chris
bill
Not quite comfortable with telling my girls to display their
underwear, or indeed the boys, to be quite honest. Perhaps this shows
hidden prudery, but I think I'd prefer another solution - but of
course a bag rather defeats the idea.
Any thoughts, anyone?
Just trying to see how we could overcome the "skip made us show our
bras to the boys" possibility ( I'm not called "skip" BTW)
Ewan Scott
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Simples - don't do kit inspection. If they haven't got something they need,
you'll soon find out.
I had a blazing row many moons ago on a patrol camp where the examiners made
everyone lay out all their kit, including the contents of washbags. I KNEW
that the shit was going to hit the fan when te girls got home, and it did.
Never seen the need for kit inspection. if they haven't got stuff or they
lose stuff, it's their problem.
Ewan Scott
bill
> "bill" <eightet...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I have to say I never did it so far. I can't see why I would want to.
But -with patrol tents- I do see the need to drag groundsheets out,
and maybe sort out kit if its getting mingled.
MatSav
Hidden prudery? Not a bit of it! It's just society attitudes have
changed, and asking children to publicly display their underwear
probably contravenes the Yellow Card principles:
From http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/hq/child-protection/ypf.htm:
<Quote>
Meeting your responsibilities
To give positive guidance the 'Young people First' (yellow card)
sets out a code of behaviour. It is essential that all adults in
Scouting follow this code. The 'do's and don'ts' can help you
ensure that:...
...you avoid compromising situations or opportunities for
misunderstandings or allegations ...
DO treat everyone with dignity and respect...
DO respect a young person.s right to personal privacy...
</Quote>
I don't do full kit inspections any more. Indeed, it's not in the
Scout Camping bible, "Nights Away". As a Nights Away adviser, I
advise against it. I do use it as a "threat", for when the
moaning begins - "someone's nicked my scarf", and so on. The
"stolen" (missing) items are invariably found without having to
implement the full kit inspection. There are still general site
inspections, of course - but not to the depth of checking an
individual's kit, as long as it's tidy. If I believe it's
necessary to check inside a bag, I'll probably ask another Scout
to check, with their permission.
--
MatSav
GuruChris
> On Oct 3, 11:56 am, GuruChris <guruch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2 Oct, 21:04, Graham Drabble <usene...@drabble.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
> > > kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>
> > > I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
> > > at the moment.
>
> >http://www.3rdcb.org.uk/training/land/78-camp-kit-layout
>
> underwear, or indeed the boys, to be quite honest. Perhaps this shows
> hidden prudery, but I think I'd prefer another solution - but of
> course a bag rather defeats the idea.
> Any thoughts, anyone?
> Just trying to see how we could overcome the "skip made us show our
> bras to the boys" possibility ( I'm not called "skip" BTW)
We're a single sex troop so the bras question hasn't come up (yet).
Full inspection on summer camp serves a purpose. With up to 8 boys
together in a 160lb tent for a week, and averaging over 100 YP on a
summer camp, stuff does get mislaid. Getting everything out of the
tents & bags a couple of times over the week turns up all kinds of
stuff that 'mum didn't pack' or 'somebody's stolen', not to mention
clearing the grass/rubbish off the ground sheets and giving the grass
under them a chance to air.
Don't generally bother on weekend patrol camps or if we have indoor
accommodation, and if we only had a dozen YP in 2-4 man tents, again,
I probably wouldn't bother.
--Chris
Mike Parsons
<usen...@drabble.me.uk> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
>kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>
>I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
>at the moment.
>
>Thanks,
I can only write with reference to Cub Scouts and weekend camping.
We have a parents meeting before every camp where we go through the
kit list and emphasise that Cub Scouts should pack their kit with the
help of their parents.
At camp we have brief tidy tent inspection after Sat breakfast and
Saturday dinner.
We remind the Cub Scouts that wet clothes and towels should be hung
out to dry. Also clothes to be washed on return to home should be
placed in a separate plastic bag in their kit bag.
Mike
Gooders
I'm interested in why Graham, and for what section? We do tent
inspections but not kit generally.
The only exception that I can think of is where we are going mountain
walking and need to ensure that they've got everything. In that case
they bring their day sack along on Troop Night (Thursday) and they
check off everything that they should have. They then have until the
next night to source anything that's missing. If they still don't have
it, they don't go.
Stephen
Egroeg the Niffirg
<ewan...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"bill" <eight...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>On Oct 3, 11:56 am, GuruChris <guruch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2 Oct, 21:04, Graham Drabble <usene...@drabble.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
>> > kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>>
>> > I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
>> > at the moment.
>>
>> http://www.3rdcb.org.uk/training/land/78-camp-kit-layout
>>
>> --Chris
>
> Not quite comfortable with telling my girls to display their
>underwear, or indeed the boys, to be quite honest. Perhaps this shows
>hidden prudery, but I think I'd prefer another solution - but of
>course a bag rather defeats the idea.
>Any thoughts, anyone?
>Just trying to see how we could overcome the "skip made us show our
>bras to the boys" possibility ( I'm not called "skip" BTW)
>
We ask that they use the clear ziplock bags so it's all mixed in
together and it's less of a problem. Hovered I can see some may not be
comfortable with it.
>
>Simples - don't do kit inspection. If they haven't got something they need,
>you'll soon find out.
>
Or id they send up wearing the same clothes night an day you'll soon
notice :)
>I had a blazing row many moons ago on a patrol camp where the examiners made
>everyone lay out all their kit, including the contents of washbags. I KNEW
>that the shit was going to hit the fan when te girls got home, and it did.
>
>Never seen the need for kit inspection. if they haven't got stuff or they
>lose stuff, it's their problem.
>
There's also the issue of personal privacy. Some items I would never
want to check, others that might relate to kit needed for an activity
I'd ask about.
--
George
Alas poor sig, I knew it well.
John Russell
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
>kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>
>I'm sure I used to have one but can't find it and google isn't helping
>at the moment.
>
>Thanks,
When I was a new Cub Leader (25+ plus years ago) I did a full kit inspection
with everything laid out as per the manual. Once. I thought then that it
was a totally unwarranted invasion of the kids' personal space, and that it
negated what I wanted them to learn from the camp - to take responsibility
for themselves and their kit. So I've never done it again, and never come
across a need to do so.
We have tent inspections, of course, but kit is in bags where it belongs.
--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon
http://www.pinhoescouts.org.uk/cubs/
Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.
Graham Drabble
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m:
> On 2 Oct, 22:04, Graham Drabble <usene...@drabble.me.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out
>> for a kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
> I'm interested in why Graham, and for what section? We do tent
> inspections but not kit generally.
Scouts and because it's something that's worth about 15% of the marks
on the District camping competition. Since we don't tend to do them a
reminder sheet was a big help.
1st, 2nd and 6th out of 8 from the District so I'm in a good mood at
the moment!!
Thanks to all who posted links.
Dave
"MatSav" <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> wrote
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SNIP
> Hidden prudery? Not a bit of it! It's just society attitudes have changed,
> and asking children to publicly display their underwear probably
> contravenes the Yellow Card principles:
> From http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/hq/child-protection/ypf.htm:
>
Although quite a few of them - both male and female will display it to you
whilst wearing it .......
DaveB
West Yorks
Dave
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--Chris
Not done full kit inspection for many years now although I can see the
discipline and organisation angle.
What we do now is ask them to hang wet things on the airer, place dirty
things in a poly bag then we will ask them to open the tent doors and we can
see that it looks tidy.
We also do activity kit checks to ensure that when they are going off
canoeing that they have the gear they are suposed to have - if they don't
they get to watch so to avod that we check.
DaveB
West Yorks
Dave
"Graham Drabble" <usen...@drabble.me.uk> wrote in message
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I bet the judges were aged around pension age??
It is generally the older age group that would do such a thing. The rest
want to see a tidy tent and tidy site.
DaveB
West Yorks
>
Al
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bill,
Firstly, we as a routine do not do tent inspections at camp unless they have
not kept things neat! It's a good way of encouraging them to keep things
tidy. It can go from an easy get out too, early starts and full inspections
once or even twice a day if they want to leave their things untidy.
Whilst I think I can see why you may feel uncomfortable, personally I would
never ask one of the boy Scouts to inspect the girls Scouts equipment or
vice versa, or let the others be a witness to another groups inspection.
There is always a possibility that you may find items that have been left
out and from experience dirty underwear seems to be one of the often lost
items. I feel my youngsters are pretty comfortable with camping life, and
some would just leave certain items in a separate plastic bag and some would
not, but this is usually not during inspections but when we are
"encouraging" them to check their bags for the elusive missing kit which
"mum forgot to pack".
I personally would never want to make anyone act in a way that was any more
self conscious then they were previously so would just not react or comment
at all about different solutions for different youngsters. As a society I do
think we make things taboo's when they need not be, and never previously
have been. As regards the Bras, the latest trend seems to be very bright,
fluorescent orange or green so they can be seen! Waiting to provide my
parental transport outside the local under 18's night club is an education I
can tell you!
Al
Al
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Ewan,
We enter a lot of incident hike events, all year around and kit check is
always the first thing done. There will be an expectation that in some
instances the kit is thoroughly checked. Sometimes to make sure they are
not carrying anything they should not be. e.g. GPS devices, mobiles, booze,
fags. I warn my Scouts and Explorers about this and they don't have a
problem, its just one of those things. Some of the events are longer than
others, with perhaps the teams been gone overnight or for a very long day.
Inevitably on occasion one or more of the girls will need to carry tampons.
I appreciate in some environments and for some it can be embarrassing but I
don't think it helps in this day and age if we react in such a way that it
will become an issue. I have noticed they only ever become embarrassed if
the adults involved show any kind of reaction, or make comment or issue. In
my unit they are often used from the survival tins for fire lighting, in
fact despite carrying supplies for many years I honestly believe they have
very rarely been used for the intended purpose. I am of course assuming this
is what you are referring to?
Al
Dave
"Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
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There is a big difference to having someone have their bag contents checked
when going on an expedition or competition to ensure that they have what
they need and don't have contraband etc, and the standing camp where the
ground sheet is dragged out of the tent and all the contents of the
individual bags laid out in a regimental order just because someone thinks
it is good practice that serves a purpose of very little other than
hopefully ensuring that they don't have someone elses kit and that they have
everything they came with - sometimes on a daily basis.
DaveB
West Yorks
Paul Harris
<dave.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>There is a big difference to having someone have their bag contents checked
>when going on an expedition or competition to ensure that they have what
>they need and don't have contraband etc, and the standing camp where the
>ground sheet is dragged out of the tent and all the contents of the
>individual bags laid out in a regimental order just because someone thinks
>it is good practice that serves a purpose of very little other than
>hopefully ensuring that they don't have someone elses kit and that they have
>everything they came with - sometimes on a daily basis.
>
lay out absolutely every single item in a precise location had vanished
into the history books with the other old chestnut of wearing plimsolls
and no socks when running round the camp site early in the morning
before doing the star jumps exercise regime.
--
Paul Harris
Al
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A big difference? Surely they are both for health and welfare issues?
Have the reasons for tent, kit and personal inspections used in disparate
organizations now been negated or changed then? Do people no longer become
ill?
Al
Daniel Smith
>>
>
> There is a big difference to having someone have their bag contents checked
> when going on an expedition or competition to ensure that they have what
> they need and don't have contraband etc, and the standing camp where the
> ground sheet is dragged out of the tent and all the contents of the
> individual bags laid out in a regimental order just because someone thinks
> it is good practice that serves a purpose of very little other than
> hopefully ensuring that they don't have someone elses kit and that they have
> everything they came with - sometimes on a daily basis.
>
> DaveB
> West Yorks
>
>
I do a full kit inspection with cubs on the last day of camp purely to
attempt to match everything back up with its owner and check that
nothing is missing. scouts i expect to be responsible enough not to need
to do this. (they get a slightly extended version of the daily
inspection but with the groundsheet dragged fully out rather than just
folded over)
otherwise the daily inspections are quick and to the point. beds are
rolled up in one peice, kit is stuffed back into bags, the bags are
placed on top of the beds in the middle of the tent, then the
groundsheet folded over it to keep it dry.
as regards to sanatry products, these would normally be stored in the
YPs ablutions bag and as i dont check inside that (merely that they have
one) they should not cause a problem..
and the morning exercise routine serves a useful purpose apart form
warming the kids up in that it lets a leader discreetly check sleeping
bags for night time accidents and rectify the situation before anyone
notices.
Graham Drabble
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>
> "Graham Drabble" <usen...@drabble.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C9ABA0D9E83Dgr...@drabble.me.uk...
>> Scouts and because it's something that's worth about 15% of the
>> marks on the District camping competition. Since we don't tend to
>> do them a reminder sheet was a big help.
>>
> I bet the judges were aged around pension age??
Not far off. Other good rules:
Each patrol must pitch a ridge tent (though apparantly the new "troop"
tents with only a single upright count but Challenger 5's don't!(
About 40% of marks are for gadgets
Exactly what does and doesn't get marks depends on what the people going
round (which is pretty much a random selection of 3 from leaders present)
think is important so there's little or no way to prepare.
As well as loads of rules that exist but aren't checked / marked.
Personally I think the competition is a joke but in some ways that makes
winning it sweeter.
alansplodge
> Does anyone have a diagram / instructions of how to lay stuff out for a
> kit inspection they could send me (or post a link to)?
>
it comes to Scout camping; but I really can't see the point of formal
kit inspection. It was originally devised to make sure that soldiers
hadn't lost or sold the gear they'd been issued with. I remember as a
boy at camp spending nearly the whole morning getting ready for
inspection. Everybody except our Scout Leader hated it and what was it
all for? I haven't done one at one of my Troop camps since 1979 I
think. Camping competitions that include this sort of malarky are well
past their sell-by date in my opinion. Kit layout might have been OK
in the guardhouse at Bangalore Barracks in 1899 but this is the 21st
Century isn't it?
STAND BY YOUR BEDS!
By the way - of historical interest only - here's how it was done
(scroll down to page 40)...
http://www.thedump.scoutscan.com/weekendcamps.pdf
But PLEASE don't inflict this on your Scouts.
Splodge.
Dave
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SNIP
> There I was thinking that the sort of kit inspection where you had to lay
> out absolutely every single item in a precise location had vanished into
> the history books with the other old chestnut of wearing plimsolls and no
> socks when running round the camp site early in the morning before doing
> the star jumps exercise regime.
> --
> Paul Harris
Must admit - me personally and a few others do wear shorts and crocs with no
socks most of the time on camp.
Asked by kids why we do it as it is freezing - I tell tham that my trousers
aren't soaked at the bottom and my 3rd pair of trainers aren't either.
But we do not insist that they do likewise.
Incidentally most Guides on these camps seem to wear wellies for much of the
day.
DaveB
West Yorks
Dave
SNIP
> A big difference? Surely they are both for health and welfare issues?
> Have the reasons for tent, kit and personal inspections used in disparate
> organizations now been negated or changed then? Do people no longer become
> ill?
>
If someone becomes ill they need isolating from the others and if necessary
removed from the site.
It is necessary to ensure the tents are kept tidy and this can be done in a
less regimental way without laying all the gear out.
We can ask a child to hang their wet gear up and put the dirty stuff in a
different bag - it is not necessary to have it all laid out for all to see
to ensure that it is the case.
DaveB
West Yorks
Dave
> On 05 Oct 2009 "Dave" <dave.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> news:3_SdnUgmCPUuL1TX...@eclipse.net.uk:
>
>>
>> "Graham Drabble" <usen...@drabble.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C9ABA0D9E83Dgr...@drabble.me.uk...
>
>>> Scouts and because it's something that's worth about 15% of the
>>> marks on the District camping competition. Since we don't tend to
>>> do them a reminder sheet was a big help.
>>>
>
>> I bet the judges were aged around pension age??
>
> Not far off. Other good rules:
>
> Each patrol must pitch a ridge tent (though apparantly the new "troop"
> tents with only a single upright count but Challenger 5's don't!(
>
That would possibly count us out then as I don't think we have any tents
that meet this description - all ours are lightweight nylon type as they dry
a lot easier than canvas.
> About 40% of marks are for gadgets
>
A gadget is only any use if it has a use. One of the simplest I have see is
a stick pushed on the ground to put boots on upside down. No lashings
anothing fancy but it works. You could try to build a shelf to keep bags off
the floor in the tent but as most sites don't have the right wood but do
have pallets that one is already taken care of :-)
> Exactly what does and doesn't get marks depends on what the people going
> round (which is pretty much a random selection of 3 from leaders present)
> think is important so there's little or no way to prepare.
>
Difficult then.
> As well as loads of rules that exist but aren't checked / marked.
>
So it has not been looked at for some time then. It is an event that is
rolled out year on year with no thought orther than we have run with these
rules for 50 years etc.
> Personally I think the competition is a joke but in some ways that makes
> winning it sweeter.
> --
Have to say that for many years we have not taken part in ours and since
merging Districts have never done so as we cannot fulfil the requirements if
nothing else.
DaveB
West Yorks
Al
>
> "Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:had6rk$pk0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> SNIP
>> A big difference? Surely they are both for health and welfare issues?
>> Have the reasons for tent, kit and personal inspections used in disparate
>> organizations now been negated or changed then? Do people no longer
>> become ill?
>>
>
> If someone becomes ill they need isolating from the others and if
> necessary removed from the site.
OK, well personally I would want to go with the prevention rather than cure.
As I said, for camps they all know if there is any indication there is a
messy tent we will start inspecting tents.
>
> It is necessary to ensure the tents are kept tidy and this can be done in
> a less regimental way without laying all the gear out.
Out of sight, out of mind?
>
> We can ask a child to hang their wet gear up and put the dirty stuff in a
> different bag - it is not necessary to have it all laid out for all to see
> to ensure that it is the case.
So how do you know if they have wet gear in their bags or not?
>
> DaveB
> West Yorks
>
Ewan Scott
>> It is necessary to ensure the tents are kept tidy and this can be done in
>> a less regimental way without laying all the gear out.
>
> Out of sight, out of mind?
>
>>
>> We can ask a child to hang their wet gear up and put the dirty stuff in a
>> different bag - it is not necessary to have it all laid out for all to
>> see to ensure that it is the case.
>
> So how do you know if they have wet gear in their bags or not?
>
Is this a debate about a minority idea? If so, who is in the minority?
And yes, kit inspection before a hike or expedition is a good idea. OTOH,
not doing it is a good test of their ability and teamwork, as when it turns
out that someone doesn't have the kit they need, the rest of the team has to
work out how to deal with the situation.
Ewan Scott
John Russell
>
>So how do you know if they have wet gear in their bags or not?
Ask them.
Dave
> "Dave" <dave.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:oq6dnVaW-ZbDbVfX...@eclipse.net.uk...
>>
>> "Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:had6rk$pk0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> SNIP
>>> A big difference? Surely they are both for health and welfare issues?
>>> Have the reasons for tent, kit and personal inspections used in
>>> disparate organizations now been negated or changed then? Do people no
>>> longer become ill?
>>>
>>
>> If someone becomes ill they need isolating from the others and if
>> necessary removed from the site.
>
> OK, well personally I would want to go with the prevention rather than
> cure. As I said, for camps they all know if there is any indication there
> is a messy tent we will start inspecting tents.
>
>>
>> It is necessary to ensure the tents are kept tidy and this can be done in
>> a less regimental way without laying all the gear out.
>
> Out of sight, out of mind?
>
If it is in a kit bag the tent is tidy. I appreciate that you cannot see
that it is all folded neatly as if brand new or just ironed etc.
>>
>> We can ask a child to hang their wet gear up and put the dirty stuff in a
>> different bag - it is not necessary to have it all laid out for all to
>> see to ensure that it is the case.
>
> So how do you know if they have wet gear in their bags or not?
>
I ask them. If they have been swimming or other water activity I suggest to
them that they hang their gear up and if that fails to happen tell them to.
If it has been raining and they got wet I will suggest that they put their
wet gear in a poly bag and if it is now fine I suggest they hang the wet
stuff out to dry.
They are Scouts and supposed to be learning to become independant - you
suggest things to them and don't need the regimwentation of laying the gear
out so that you can see it to make sure they have done as you asked.
If they haven't they run out of clean clothes and they learn from it.
DaveB
West Yorks
Al
Ewan,
My point is that the OP was asking for assistance on kit layout. How many
posts gave him an answer and how many are about how we should not be doing
inspections, and in one case because its a possible yellow card
infringement!
Despite myself citing that I don't as a matter of course but when I do we
don't have the same issues as some have cited, it still goes on. Can not
some people except that they do different things to others and leave it at
that? Its about respecting how others do things. You said yourself different
solutions etc!
If they fail the start kit check they would never start the expedition or
hike. I can honestly say none of my teams have ever cheated and never would.
Unfortunately, I am aware of some extraordinary things teams have done. 7
Bottles of vodka left in a bag around the corner from the start is one
example.
Al
Dave
But everyone can have an opinion and when in a reply someone writes a point
or question then the question may get answered or the point taken up.
It does not mean that either party is wrong - just how or why we do
something our way.
In respect to the vodka - no amount of laying the kit out etc would deal
with situations like this. If it came to light at the time I would also hope
that one of 2 things would happen; either confiscate and dispose of if they
are under 18 or again if under 18 dispose of but make sure they carry the
bottles filled with another sustance so they can feel the weight.
DaveB
West Yorks
bill
> "Ewan Scott" <ewansc...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Al
As the hijacker of this thread, I think I should say that although
it's frustrating when a thread goes off at a tangent, I think its the
nature of the beast.
Our local camping comp requires kit to be laid out, and it was only
when I looked at the layouts quoted -perfectly valid ones- that it
struck me that this is potentially not a good thing.
And from recollection of bed wetters, it would never have been a good
thing unless handled with sensitivity beyond most leaders (unless
everyones kit was screened from everyone elses eg).
Al
Al
Bill,
My point was that we don't do formal kit inspections with my troop or with
my unit. We have been places however where the insist still but we live with
that, it adds to the variety of life. We also enter events when kit check is
actually one of the first obstacles they have to overcome.
At one event up until 2 years ago, one of the kit check items was underwear!
How they going to check that one I thought. When I first read it, I thought
they must be joking and spoke to the organizers about it. Its simply a
requirement for the correct kind of undergarments appropriate to the
activity, which was hiking in arduous countryside. It had been on the kit
list for many many years apparently. Since removed when I asked them about
the appropriateness of it. We still joke about it with my members who do the
comp every year and remember when it was listed. No one was ever embarrassed
about it, or felt intimidated. We have also discussed chaffing and the
usefulness of Sudocreme!
I was merely citing that kids will pick up and become embarrassed about
things if others around them do. If you treat it as a matter of fact the
kids will as well. Some deal with things in one way and others another. We
all need to be mindful of how we react and respond to possible sensitive
situations, and be mindful we can not and should not want to change the
world.
We deal with bed wetter's and worse in a very confidential manner. It
happens and most never say a word so we are faced with just sorting the
situation or letting them sleep in it.
Al
Dave
"Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
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> We deal with bed wetter's and worse in a very confidential manner. It
> happens and most never say a word so we are faced with just sorting the
> situation or letting them sleep in it.
>
It is a difficult one this. I agree that you have to deal with it
sensitively but how you do that can be difficult.
It may be a bit easier if the parents have warned you that it is a
possiblility although not all do.
The kid will be loathed to get their sleeping bag out to air and is likely
to try and pack it away and hope it will dry or disappear.
Somehow you have got to get it and get it dry either with their knowledge in
a sensitive manner so nobody else knows or dry it so that even they don't
know, otherwise they will sleep in in wet and end up smelling and everyone
will then know.
DaveB
West Yorks
bill
> "bill" <eightet...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Understood. My point -not stated in anyway clearly, as you had to be
in my head to get it -was that here they justify kit inspection on the
basis that it allows leaders to monitor bed wetters. I think that's
probably the worst justification for kit inspection and the worst way
of dealing with bed wetting.
I had a kid at camp last year and got moaned at by mum for the fact
that he changed neither socks nor underpants for a week. I asked her
how she'd like me to deal with that in future, and she said "check
him". Apart from the fact that I don't like scouter-in-news-of-world
stories, I would have put it past him to change for inspection and
then change back again out of sheer cussedness.
I think the fundamental point is that whatever you do, you can't win
Dave
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> I had a kid at camp last year and got moaned at by mum for the fact
> that he changed neither socks nor underpants for a week. I asked her
> how she'd like me to deal with that in future, and she said "check
> him". Apart from the fact that I don't like scouter-in-news-of-world
> stories, I would have put it past him to change for inspection and
> then change back again out of sheer cussedness.
> I think the fundamental point is that whatever you do, you can't win
Surely you cannot be held responsible for that.
We do mention to kids if they wear the same t shirt forever by asking if
they have another and perhaps they ought to put it on.
We do not insist on checking the colour of their underwear though to ensure
they have changed it.
Kids will often deal with that anyway by broadcasting the fact that Jonny
hasn't changed his boxers. He will then go and do it. Many of ours will go
home with dry flannels and soap but have definitely been to the showers and
come back with wet hair and damp towels saying they have borrowed someone
elses soap or used shower gel etc.
DaveB
West Yorks
Daniel Smith
This is the reson that we still insist on morning excersises with the
cubs... while they are in the next field running aournd and loosening
their muscles for the day it gives the rest of the leaders time to check
all sleeping bags discreetly for this problem, and wet ones are simply
swapped out and hung up to dry somwhere out of the way where the kids
are not likly to see them depending of curcumstances,
the only person who normally notices that the colour of the sleeping bag
may have changed is usually the kid whose bag it was, any they arnt
likly to mention it... esp the known regulair wetters who we also give a
code word to to let us know we need to sort their bed without us having
to check