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Miniature Embroideries

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Jun 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/3/00
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Can anyone please suggest where to try for a manual or handbook for an Ailsa
Craig 4 hp outboard motor. (Apparently they were Tomos outboards sold under
the Ailsa Craig label.)
Thanks.

Robin
"Catherine Grace" MEX R8

Rod Ellingham

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Jun 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/3/00
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Yes, they are Tomos, made in Koper in former Yugoslavia, now Slovenia
or Croatia, very nice area for a holiday, by the way.
The chandler at Port Glasgow or one of the places in that area
(Girvan maybe, I forget) was the main dealer in Scotland. They are
very good engines & the spares were very cheap. I'm sure they're
being imported again. They make an air cooled 4HP either points or
electronic ignition for slightly more. There's little need for a
handbook as they're delightfully simple & robust. Is yours the no-gears model?
I sailed down from Orkney once in very bad weather & having bust the
stop button, kept it running all the way, about 20 hours!

Rod "Te Bhan" Albin 25.

Miniature Embroideries

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Jun 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/5/00
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Thanks Ron,
My brother has been given a present of a 4 hp geared model - about 4 hours
use and very well preserved. I am a Seagull fancier myself but I will have a
tinker with it. What is the correct fuel oil mix- 25 to one?
Regards.
Robin

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Ian Malcolm

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Jun 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/26/00
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Sounds like an interesting make of engine. When you have had a chance to tinker
with it please tell us how it sizes up against a seagull. BTW what would you do
about a forty plus head that has been helicoiled but is deteriorating at the end
of the helicoil. If it gets much worse, I may not be able to get a seal with the
plug washer.

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Jun 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/26/00
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Your Seagull must have a fair few sea miles behind it. All I do is change
the plug every so often - not up to advanced spanner swinging. You could try
"Saving old Seagulls" on 01621 778859. I haven't had to send any of my flock
there but they were quoted in the recent Sailing Today magazine and might be
able to help. I haven't had the Ailsa Craig running yet - must be discrete
in case the Seagulls think I have deserted them for a foreign dolly bird!!!
Regards.
Robin

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Rod Ellingham

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Jun 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/27/00
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TOMOS (Ailsa Craig) engines and spares are imported now by a company
called Sea Page on S.Coast (see PBO etc), or you can take a nice
seaside holiday in Istria & go to the factory for real rock-bottom prices.
Rod

Ian Malcolm

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Jun 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/28/00
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I will probably do most of the work myself, its just that twenty plus pounds +
the VAT for a new head that will then have the soft ally plug threads doesnt
seem so good. I was hoping there was some sort of insert or whatever.

I dont want to bother a commercial operation too much till I really need them.

I picked up a 2nd hand head cheap and was hoping to put that on but it is not a
perfect match and I belive it might be off a featherweight. I am concerned about
the plug fouling the piston. Also when I cleaned it up I found a mark that
MIGHT be a hairline crack. As I havent got a spare gasket, I cant try it yet.

I am planning a top end rebuild this winter and will be getting the gaskets
then.
I have already deglazed the cylinder walls to improve the compression. I guess
I'll try the spare head as soon as I get a spare gasket, using the old gasket
for the test after splitting the two sheats of copper and annealing them. I
dont know if they had a paper liner between them, I might need some suitable
gasket paper.

It now starts first pull from cold. Remaining jobs, New rubber washer for
gearbox bearing. Get a good long run on the boat so I can set up the carb
properly. (Villiers carb, At the setting in the manual, it dont start and if
you cheat with a wee whiff of easystart it fouls the plug big time in a short
time. Screw the needle down a way and all is fine. Plug tip goes tan, there
is oil on the threads when I pull the plug and it generally acts happy. Try
shop settings again, and have to clean the plug A LOT before I get a restart.
Am running an 8 COM plug or a D16 equivalent. Same with both) I wonder if
previous owner tried to clean the jet? The same results were got before fitting
the 25:1 conversion needle while it was still at 10:1. I also have a small
weep from the crankcase near the tiller. I thought I'd fixed it but its still
there under high load. Its not serious though.

If anyone has a similar Seagull and has or has access to a Gunsons compression
gauge I'd like to compare results.

The engine is for my Albacore for inshore use. I need something drownproof for
emergency use on the Solent and Thames estuary. Got a Seagull because of an
embarrassing incident on lake Windermere years ago. Lost the engine off the
back, and dangled it on 6 foot of rope at full throttle! Had to get a mile to
windward on a nasty day with only a paddle. Figured, well, if it can be got
going, I'll be a lot better off! Pulled the plug, Turned it over a few times
with the gas off. Wiped what I could of the electrics. Dumped the float chamber
into the bailer and tipped the top half back into the tank (Remember Fresh water
lake, didnt want an oil slick and had no container for gash gas). Dried the
plug and popped it back. It actually started on about the 5th pull.
Was a little rough at first and didnt idle well until I got the tank drained
that evening but was so close to normal that I was able to stay out the rest of
the day. No other maintenance was needed. So I got this one 15 years later. I
figure that if I cover the head, it has a very good chance of starting after a
capsise.

Miniature Embroideries wrote:

> Your Seagull must have a fair few sea miles behind it. All I do is change
> the plug every so often - not up to advanced spanner swinging. You could try
> "Saving old Seagulls" on 01621 778859. I haven't had to send any of my flock
> there but they were quoted in the recent Sailing Today magazine and might be
> able to help. I haven't had the Ailsa Craig running yet - must be discrete
> in case the Seagulls think I have deserted them for a foreign dolly bird!!!
> Regards.
> Robin
>
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> > Sounds like an interesting make of engine. When you have had a chance to
> tinker
> > with it please tell us how it sizes up against a seagull. BTW what would
> you do
> > about a forty plus head that has been helicoiled but is deteriorating at
> the end
> > of the helicoil. If it gets much worse, I may not be able to get a seal
> with the
> > plug washer.

> <clipped Ailsa Craig outboard stuff>

Miniature Embroideries

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Jun 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/28/00
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I believe that the 40 Featherweight and 40 Plus are identical except for the
drive arrangement - longer leg, bigger prop and gear ratio etc on the Plus.
If your 2nd hand parts are not identical it is probably because the years of
manufacture differ.

Robin

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