Buying a German registered boat
Bob
and possibly Belgian canals. What is the protocol regarding flying a red
duster on a German registered vessel, flying the Bundesflag as a UK citizen,
re-registering as a British boat etc.?
Cushie
> duster on a German registered vessel, >
It was OK in 1945 but not certain now!
G P Berry
"Bob" <B...@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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SSR obtained Radio Licence and callsign. When I paid for it I put up Red
ensign and sailed it back as a British registered Yacht.
Ronald Raygun
> I'm buying a German registered boat and sailing it back to UK via the
> Dutch and possibly Belgian canals. What is the protocol regarding flying a
> red duster on a German registered vessel,
A registered boat must fly, if any, the ensign of the country where it
is registered. However, if you're buying it and you aren't German,
the boat's registration will simply lapse and become invalid as soon as
it leaves German ownership.
Some countries (including Germany I think) will, strictly speaking,
not allow even German owners to fly the German flag unless the boat
is German registered. But the UK is not one of them, and nobody minds
if you, as a UK-resident UK citizen fly the red duster on your boat in
home waters. Internationally, it might not be so straightforward, and
it would be wise to register the boat if you plan foreign trips, even
if only for repatriation purposes.
> flying the Bundesflag as a UK citizen,
That would be a no-no unless German-registered. You could register
the boat as German if you, as its UK-national owner, live in and are
established in Germany. Going by what your stated intentions are,
it seems unlikely this would apply to you.
> re-registering as a British boat etc.?
Advisable. SSR is straightforward and inexpensive. You don't really
need "full part one" registration unless you need it to prove ownership
or you wish to give a marine mortgage.
garry crothers
"Ronald Raygun" <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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In a similar vein, what happens if you purchase an American registered
yacht.
Can a British citizen continue to sail it in the states under the American
flag, or must it be re-registered under British, Gib, Jersey or what?
Is there any mechanism to check for outstanding mortgages when it is
American flagged, or German flagged?
garry
Ronald Raygun
> In a similar vein, what happens if you purchase an American registered
> yacht.
>
> Can a British citizen continue to sail it in the states under the American
> flag,
I think most countries' rules will forbid registration under their flag
of a vessel not owned by a national of their state. So I'd assume an
American boat could not remain American-registered once sold to a non
American person or company.
I'd imagine a non-American registered boat, owned by a non-American,
would not be permitted to fly the American flag.
> or must it be re-registered under British, Gib, Jersey or what?
I don't know what view the yanks would take of a flagless boat, or
of a boat flying a British flag, without corresponding registration
documents.
I'm sure Our Man in Florida would be able to help clear this up.
> Is there any mechanism to check for outstanding mortgages when it is
> American flagged, or German flagged?
Almost certainly.
Maree Heslop
> In a similar vein, what happens if you purchase an American registered
> yacht.
>
> Can a British citizen continue to sail it in the states under the American
> flag, or must it be re-registered under British, Gib, Jersey or what?
>
> Is there any mechanism to check for outstanding mortgages when it is
> American flagged, or German flagged?
>
> garry
The US has two forms of registration - formal documentation, which is
for US citizens only, and State registration which a US resident can
apply for. When I bought a Westerly in Massachussetts last year I had
to remove from documentation by sending a cheque (about $15 I think)
and letter to the documentation agency, and in return received a
deletion letter which I then presented to the State registration. Be
aware that you will have to pay sales tax to the state prior to
registration, the amount will vary by state.
When I did my research I found that if I were a UK resident (I'm
temporarily working in the US at the moment) I could have registered
under SSR in the UK and flown the red duster. However I would have to
'import' the boat into the US and get a cruising permit - there are
fees associated with that and I think that there is a one year limit.
All marine mortgages (liens) must be on boats which are formally
documented and there is a procedure to do a search for them. My
broker was very helpful in pointing me in the direction of the
different agencies.
I'm looking forward to sailing home round to the East coast (UK) this
summer with an American flag on the stern and causing confusion when I
respond with an Essex accent.....
Egon Stich
"Bob" <B...@nospam.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
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You have to fly the flag of the country of registration.
This to tell, what countrys laws are ruling on board the wessel.
In the same line are the rules of flying courtesy flag.
In doing this, yot tell that you wil obay the laws of the country you are
visiting, but that on board rules the the laws of your homeland, ei. land of
registery.
There is nothing wrong in sailing the boat home under Bundesflag, and
reregistering the boat when home.
regards egon.
Denmark.
PieterW
wrote:
>. What is the protocol regarding flying a red
>> duster on a German registered vessel, >
>
>It was OK in 1945 but not certain now!
:-))))
hey limey, it still is.
I bet nobody here will ever mind about this
Cheers, Pieter
--
Vernuft is een sublimatie van domheid.
PieterW
wrote:
>There are international laws governing the flying of flags on boats.
>You have to fly the flag of the country of registration.
registration is not obliged in Netherlands
one should have the name and place of origine visible on the boat.
If I would like to paint *Amsterdam* on my cat, I am free to do so.
Even when the cute girl lies in a Steendam marina.
Egon Stich
"PieterW" <D.T.C.> skrev i en meddelelse
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The same in Denmark Only wessels over a certain size have to register. But
we still have, on unregistered boats , to fly the Danish ensign and: It is
not alloved to fly any other on a Danish ovned boat. I guess, when you look
into the matter, you wil find the same rules are to be applied to your
boats.
Regards
Egon
PieterW
>I thought that in NL, boat's name and home port painted on boat
>irrespective of flag flown?
that's correct.
>and a plate with owners name, postcode
>etc. on a brass plate. Nobody gives a toss in NL anyway.
hmm...I don't have that, but everybody knows my "Shag" in the mean
time. :-)
PieterW
>To fly a Dutch flag the owner must be
>o registered on the local population register
I noticed dutch charteryachts hired by germans usually fly the german
flag (as they did in '40, Cushie :-))