Headlining replacement/alternative
Justin C
The headlining in my boat has seen better days, it's foam-backed vinyl
mounted on some kind of board. I think the reason for the board is to
hide wiring and screws/bolts of anything mounted on the coach-roof. This
vinyl is also glued straight onto the sides of the cabin roof (FG), and
goes behind the port frames.
I don't really like the vinyl, but will probably have to keep with the
boards for the reasons mentioned (I know that, for example, the boards
mask a piece of ply to which the windlass is mounted through the deck).
Any suggestions for a good alternative? I quite like the idea of thin
strips of wood cladding, but don't want to reduce headroom any further
(I can't stand up as it is) and am not sure how I'd appropriately curve
any battens used to hold them up.
I have seen carpet mentioned, I supposed, I'd want to avoid foam backing
as it will probably go the same way as the vinyl eventually, but I don't
want to fit anything that couldn't be removed in the future should I
sell the boat.
All suggestions gratefully received.
Justin.
--
Justin C, by the sea.
Justin C
> rid of the drooping foamed backed vinyl.
> Marine carpet is similar to the stuff that cars ceilings are lined with. It is
> very stretchy and doesn't seem to get water condensing on it.
Blimey, that's expensive stuff. Interesting, but expensive. I'll surf
for it little more and see if I can find better prices.
Tim W
"Justin C" <justi...@purestblue.com> wrote in message
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Carpet up the walls is obviously radical and cool in a 1970s sort of way so
I don't see why you shouldn't take it all the way and carpet the ceiling but
please please accessorize accessorize accessorize with strictly period
post-beatles accessories or the irony may not come across with clarity. I
don't mean just a lava lamp I mean everything from cutlery to bulb holders.
On the other hand if you are careful not to be to gauche with the
presentation I think you could include mirrors on the ceiling. Also think
COLOURS I am seeing orange and green. Make that fluorescent orange and
fatigue green.
Tim W
Dave Doe
justi...@purestblue.com, Justin C says...
I like Martin's suggestion - that's what I have in my trailer-sailer.
And yes, it's quite expensive - but how much do you need - what kinda
yacht are we talking about?
--
Duncan.
Justin C
I see your point, 8.8m x 2.? meters, discounting the cockpit and
underside of the side-decks isn't an awful lot of metres. Hmmm.
Justin C
>
> Carpet up the walls is obviously radical and cool in a 1970s sort of way so
> I don't see why you shouldn't take it all the way and carpet the ceiling but
> please please accessorize accessorize accessorize with strictly period
> post-beatles accessories or the irony may not come across with clarity. I
> don't mean just a lava lamp I mean everything from cutlery to bulb holders.
> On the other hand if you are careful not to be to gauche with the
> presentation I think you could include mirrors on the ceiling. Also think
> COLOURS I am seeing orange and green. Make that fluorescent orange and
> fatigue green.
Thank you, Tim Llewelyn Bowen. On next weeks show we'll be turning
anchor lockers into foot spas, lazerettes into hot-tubs, and forepeaks
into lucious love dens. And Tim will be giving the heads a western
saloon make-over, are ya lookin forward to that sarsaparilla[1] Tim?
Justin.
1. No, I didn't know it was spelled like that either.
broadssailor
> In article <MPG.2755a4ad67cc1052989...@news.eternal-september.org>, Dave Doe wrote:
> > In article <slrniekvmd.ebc.justin.1...@stigmata.purestblue.com>,
> > justin.1...@purestblue.com, Justin C says...
Just bought enough thin polypropylene carpet from Carpetright to cover
the inside of my cabin for about £50 - could have paid less, but SWMBO
didn't like the cheaper stuff!
Find your local store here (ususal disclaimers) http://www.carpetright.co.uk/carpets.html
There are many other discount carpet places.
Steve Firth
> Carpet up the walls is obviously radical and cool in a 1970s sort of way so
> I don't see why you shouldn't take it all the way and carpet the ceiling
Dennis Pogson
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>
Whatever you decide to use, self adhesive Velcro is the stuff to fix it
with.
Even hi-grade luxury yachts use the stuff, but in ingenious ways, which you
can only find out about by dismantling parts of the deckhead lining.
Best head lining I ever saw was on a Beneteau (Florida-built) 50-footer 1980
vintage. It was simply a work of art, but not recommended if you want a
cheapo fix.
Although you are not pleased with your foam-backed vynil-covered panels, if
the base boards are in good condition, re-covering them is much quicker than
having to start from scratch, and it will probably see you out this time
around. Also the foam backing might well have improved since your boat was
built.
I could recommend Toomer and Hayter of Bournemouth for good-quality
foam-backed vynil, and all the associated fixings and adhesives.
http://www.toomerandhayter.co.uk/
Dennis.
Tim W
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That's exactly it. - Justin, stick this one on your mood board along with
the 'Yes' album covers.
Tim w
Tony of Judicious
Don't use the stuff with thick foam backing. For nice looking boat grade
vinyls that have a bit of 'give' try these people:
www.hawkehouse.co.uk. Gosport. Found them to be very helpful.
USE THE RIGHT ADHESIVE. Has to be for vinyl.
I found the vinyl spray adhesive from B&Q was OK. The cheaper carpet
adhesive was useless and I had to redo it all.
When you are glueing it on take great care to to any grit trapped
underneath. Difficult in a typically mucky boat yard with a bit of a
breeze.
Tony
"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:09:18 +0000, Tony of Judicious <gar...@garble.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Justin C wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The headlining in my boat has seen better days, it's foam-backed vinyl
>>> mounted on some kind of board. I think the reason for the board is to
>>> hide wiring and screws/bolts of anything mounted on the coach-roof. This
>>> vinyl is also glued straight onto the sides of the cabin roof (FG), and
>>> goes behind the port frames.
>>>
>>> I don't really like the vinyl, but will probably have to keep with the
>>> boards for the reasons mentioned (I know that, for example, the boards
>>> mask a piece of ply to which the windlass is mounted through the deck).
>>> Any suggestions for a good alternative? I quite like the idea of thin
>>> strips of wood cladding, but don't want to reduce headroom any further
>>> (I can't stand up as it is) and am not sure how I'd appropriately curve
>>> any battens used to hold them up.
>>>
>>> I have seen carpet mentioned, I supposed, I'd want to avoid foam backing
>>> as it will probably go the same way as the vinyl eventually, but I don't
>>> want to fit anything that couldn't be removed in the future should I
>>> sell the boat.
>>>
>>> All suggestions gratefully received.
>>>
>>> Justin.
>>>
>>
>>Don't use the stuff with thick foam backing. For nice looking boat grade
>>vinyls that have a bit of 'give' try these people:
>
>
>>
>>www.hawkehouse.co.uk. Gosport. Found them to be very helpful.
>>
>>USE THE RIGHT ADHESIVE. Has to be for vinyl.
>>
>>I found the vinyl spray adhesive from B&Q was OK. The cheaper carpet
>>adhesive was useless and I had to redo it all.
>>
>>When you are glueing it on take great care to to any grit trapped
>>underneath. Difficult in a typically mucky boat yard with a bit of a
>>breeze.
>
> unstuck so far. If we had used foam backed vinyl, we would be reaching
> droop
> stage again soon.
> --
>
> Martin
>
My Centaur had thin varnished battens holding up foam backed vinyl when I
bought her 15 years ago. The work was done by the previous owner and was
very neat and smart. All still in place now.
Tony
Wilbur Hubbard
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<snip>
>
> Carpet up the walls is obviously radical and cool in a 1970s sort of way
> so I don't see why you shouldn't take it all the way and carpet the
> ceiling but please please accessorize accessorize accessorize with
> strictly period post-beatles accessories or the irony may not come across
> with clarity. I don't mean just a lava lamp I mean everything from cutlery
> to bulb holders. On the other hand if you are careful not to be to gauche
> with the presentation I think you could include mirrors on the ceiling.
> Also think COLOURS I am seeing orange and green. Make that fluorescent
> orange and fatigue green.
Oh please! This is supposed to be a sailing newsgroup and everybody is
using terminology that sounds so lubberly. What's the matter with you Brits?
In a sailboat you don't call vertical surfaces 'walls.' Vertical surfaces
are bulkheads or ceilings. Don't call the 'overhead' the ceiling as the
ceilings are the vertical sides of the boat (the inside surfaces of the
topsides which is what the outside surfaces are called).
And, another thing. Real sailboats don't use 'headliners.' Headliners have
no place in a sailboat. The overhead should be painted, finished wood or gel
coated, glossy GRP that can be wiped down with a sponge and fresh water and
bleach to keep the mildew in check. Headliners are an inexpensive and
lubberly alternative to doing the job right. All interior, deck hardware,
mounting bolts/fasteners should be visible so any leaks or seepage from them
is immediately evident.
Wilbur Hubbard
Wilbur Hubbard
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>
Here's a suggestion but I doubt you'll welcome it.
Headliners exist in automobiles. Sailboats don't have headliners unless the
head is lined with something or other - the head being the shitter.
What is called the ceiling in a house is called the 'overhead' in a
sailboat.
What is called the ceiling in a sailboat is called the walls in a house.
But, the walls in a sailboat are called bulkheads when the walls are
transverse and the insides of the topsides are called the ceiling.
Furthermore, any discussion of headliners should be kept in automotive
groups because that's where headliners occur - in automobiles.
If you have a liner overhead in your sailboat then you have a cheap, low-end
product as real sailboats don't use that cosmetic, failure-prone,
high-maintenance crap on the overhead.
Wilbur Hubbard
Justin C
Is this foam backed? If not, what is it?
Justin C
>
>>
>>Although you are not pleased with your foam-backed vynil-covered panels, if
>>the base boards are in good condition, re-covering them is much quicker than
>>having to start from scratch, and it will probably see you out this time
>>around.
>
> vinyl directly to the cabin roof and sides. Cheap skates.
>
>>Also the foam backing might well have improved since your boat was
>>built.
>>
>>I could recommend Toomer and Hayter of Bournemouth for good-quality
>>foam-backed vynil, and all the associated fixings and adhesives.
>>http://www.toomerandhayter.co.uk/
>
> Dutch supplier told me that the foam used is no better than it was 30 years ago.
> It is not necessary if the panel has a flat surface. The main object of the foam
> is to hide irregularities in the surface. 4mm marine ply with a layer of vinyl
> and a layer of air trapped behind is more than adequate insulation.
>
> Don't use and adhesive that is claimed to ecologically friendly. The one we used
> was expensive and useless and we had to redo it with carpet adhesive.
Yes, I'd have to be sure the solvent in the adhesive wouldn't react with
the foam, 'twould be no good if did, the adhesive wouldn't work and the
foam would be goo.
The marine carpet idea is appealing from all aspects apart from price.
The carpetright (sure there's one around here, and if not there are
others) suggestion appeals on price front, I'll have to take the wife
though, I'm colour blind and may end up with this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markyh/140205060/
Could I use hessian backed carpet? What else do they back carpet with
these days?
Mike Coon
> What is called the ceiling in a sailboat is called the walls in a
> house.
You are on the wrong side of the Atlantic to be telling us about
nomenclature. We do not have "sailboats". We do have sailing boats (cf
frying pans and frypans) which could be divided into yachts and dinghies.
But dinghies do not have headlinings.
Names get invented all the time. I rather like "pushpit" and "granny bars".
BTW how do you pronounce buoy (or perhaps bouy)? I have heard "booee",
rather like cooee...
Mike.
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broadssailor
No - it's a coarse synthetic fabric.
Tony of Judicious
>>Don't use the stuff with thick foam backing. For nice looking boat grade
>>vinyls that have a bit of 'give' try these people:
>
> Don't use foam backed vinyl of any sort :-)
>
>>
>>www.hawkehouse.co.uk. Gosport. Found them to be very helpful.
Their stuff is not foam backed. It is thicker than some and just gives more
of a 'quality' feel. I agree, glue will rot the foam.
Ronald Raygun
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:01:55 -0000, "Mike Coon" <Mike@@mjcoon.+.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
>>> What is called the ceiling in a sailboat is called the walls in a
>>> house.
>>
>>You are on the wrong side of the Atlantic to be telling us about
>>nomenclature. We do not have "sailboats". We do have sailing boats (cf
>>frying pans and frypans) which could be divided into yachts and dinghies.
>>But dinghies do not have headlinings.
>>
>>Names get invented all the time. I rather like "pushpit" and "granny
>>bars".
>>
>>BTW how do you pronounce buoy (or perhaps bouy)? I have heard "booee",
>>rather like cooee...
>
> and in Dutch too/
>
> How do you pronounce it in German?
"Boje" is pronounced exactly as you would expect.
The 'e' like the 'e' in "winter", the 'j' like the 'y' in "yellow",
and the 'o', well, that's not so easy. I don't think normal English
English has that sound, but the 'o' in "off" when pronounced in a posh
accent ("awf") comes close. I guess American English has nothing as
close. If you know how the name "Otto" is pronounced in German, then
it's like the last letter, not the first.
Justin C
OK, Martin, loud and clear.
And thank you Graham.
Tim W
"Ronald Raygun" <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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>
> "Boje" is pronounced exactly as you would expect.
>
> The 'e' like the 'e' in "winter", the 'j' like the 'y' in "yellow",
> and the 'o', well, that's not so easy. I don't think normal English
> English has that sound, but the 'o' in "off" when pronounced in a posh
> accent ("awf") comes close. I guess American English has nothing as
> close. If you know how the name "Otto" is pronounced in German, then
> it's like the last letter, not the first.
>
>
Reminds me of GB Shaw and his logical english spelling of fish, which was
GHOTI
GH, as in "enough"
O, as in "women"
TI, as in "nation"
voila FISH.
Tim W
Keith
> Martin wrote:
>
>>
>> How do you pronounce it in German?
>
> "Boje" is pronounced exactly as you would expect.
>
> The 'e' like the 'e' in "winter", the 'j' like the 'y' in "yellow",
> and the 'o', well, that's not so easy. I don't think normal English
> English has that sound, but the 'o' in "off" when pronounced in a posh
> accent ("awf") comes close. I guess American English has nothing as
> close. If you know how the name "Otto" is pronounced in German, then
> it's like the last letter, not the first.
>
Bore ya ?
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Keith
replace <nospam.demon> with <ilf0rd>
Ronald Raygun
> On 24/11/2010 17:21, Ronald Raygun wrote:
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you pronounce [buoy] in German?
>>
>> "Boje" is pronounced exactly as you would expect.
>>
>> The 'e' like the 'e' in "winter", the 'j' like the 'y' in "yellow",
>> and the 'o', well, that's not so easy. I don't think normal English
>> English has that sound, but the 'o' in "off" when pronounced in a posh
>> accent ("awf") comes close. I guess American English has nothing as
>> close. If you know how the name "Otto" is pronounced in German, then
>> it's like the last letter, not the first.
>
> Bore ya ?
No, neither vowel is quite there. I don't want to be a bore, but:
The 'o' in "bore" (spoken normally) sounds almost like the 'aw' in "awful"
spoken normally, and that's not the sound required. You need the posh
pronunciation which you can get by puckering the lips to give a minimal
mouth aperture. Imagine the Queen, or Penelope Keith, saying "often" or
"orphan". Actually, the way they would say "bore" is probably about right
too.
And "ya" is also too open a sound. If it helps, the 'e' should sound like
the second 'e' in "elephant", or a bit like the "er" one tends to inject
into speech when hesitating (but short). Phoneticists have a name for this
sound, they call it "schwa".
Mike Coon
> Google translate has a sound option.
I didn't know that... A yachtie of my acquaintance said that it was a pity
that the dictionary app in my PDA does not have a pronounciation feature. I
said that would be a Good Idea, and since it also has GPS it could render
speech to match his north-country provenance...
Ronald Raygun
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:07:02 +0000, Ronald Raygun
> <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>Keith wrote:
>>>
>>> Bore ya ?
>>
>>No, neither vowel is quite there. I don't want to be a bore, but:
>>
>>The 'o' in "bore" (spoken normally) sounds almost like the 'aw' in "awful"
>>spoken normally, and that's not the sound required. You need the posh
>>pronunciation which you can get by puckering the lips to give a minimal
>>mouth aperture. Imagine the Queen, or Penelope Keith, saying "often" or
>>"orphan". Actually, the way they would say "bore" is probably about right
>>too.
>>
>>And "ya" is also too open a sound. If it helps, the 'e' should sound like
>>the second 'e' in "elephant", or a bit like the "er" one tends to inject
>>into speech when hesitating (but short). Phoneticists have a name for
>>this sound, they call it "schwa".
>
> Google translate has a sound option.
Oh well, that was fun to play with for a bit.
But it's not very good. In its rendition of "Boje", the 'o' is OK but
the 'e' is a bit too open, almost as if it were saying "Boja".
It translates "full" (to "voll") and "idiot" fine, and pronounces them
OK as well, but while it translates "complete idiot" correctly (to
"vollidiot"), its pronunciation thereof is completely haywire, as is that
of the plural "buoys" ("Bojen").
Its English pronunciation is American. :-( Predictable, I suppose, but
you'd think, with all those other languages they handle, they'd have
English-English at least as an option.
Stabu
on many of the earlier Northshore Fishers. Apartr from warmth and comfort,
there would be a terrific advantage if you are a Single Hander like myself.
It would allow you to use Male Velcro strips to affix a variety of items to
see and "Get at" immdeiately. I have used this system for 20 years. Good
Luck! Stabu
"Justin C" <justi...@purestblue.com> wrote in message
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>
> The headlining in my boat has seen better days, it's foam-backed vinyl
> mounted on some kind of board. I think the reason for the board is to
> hide wiring and screws/bolts of anything mounted on the coach-roof. This
> vinyl is also glued straight onto the sides of the cabin roof (FG), and
> goes behind the port frames.
>
> I don't really like the vinyl, but will probably have to keep with the
> boards for the reasons mentioned (I know that, for example, the boards
> mask a piece of ply to which the windlass is mounted through the deck).
> Any suggestions for a good alternative? I quite like the idea of thin
> strips of wood cladding, but don't want to reduce headroom any further
> (I can't stand up as it is) and am not sure how I'd appropriately curve
> any battens used to hold them up.
>
> I have seen carpet mentioned, I supposed, I'd want to avoid foam backing
> as it will probably go the same way as the vinyl eventually, but I don't
> want to fit anything that couldn't be removed in the future should I
> sell the boat.
>
> All suggestions gratefully received.
>
> Justin.
>