West Eleven GRP Mirror dinghies
River Tramp
does anybody have any information on these? I believe they may be regarded
as a class separate to Mirrors, but certainly look exactly the same except
the foredeck. The one and only photograph I can find
http://homepages.rya-online.net/ChippenhamSCC/images/05.09.11_g.jpg shows
such a craft with Mirror sails.
regards
IanC
Steve W
"River Tramp" <ia...@binnacle-design.co.uk> wrote in message
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I recall meeting a chap at Ullswater last year in an old wooden boat looking
very much like a Mirror, but a bit smaller, I think. He told me it was a
West Eleven. He also told me that there had been quite a copyright dispute
at the time of the launch (sorry) of the Mirror between the two companies.
West Eleven believed the Mirror design was a virtual copy of the Eleven.
That's all I know, and that's hearsay so probably not much use. Still it
passes the time until it's time to get out sailing again!!
Steve
imole...@gmail.com
http://www.ukmirrorsailing.com/ for a definitive answer.
Ian
Teredo
V sim to a mirror but grp. Perhaps a couple of inches longer. Mast has
two positions. Set for'ard she is a single-hander. With main and jib
she is slightly faster than a Mirror.
Floatything
I recently had one of these - what do you want to know?
Floatything
River Tramp
website & got a broadly similar answer, ie, it's a Mirror look a like, GRP,
is insurance group 3 for Newtoncrum where its listed as a separate class to
Mirrors (group 1 insurance).
Any info such as if it is longer, lighter (?) who were West Eleven, or was
that the name & it was moulded by somebody else, any info really.
For my purposes, it seems ideal, ie I want it for my 10 & 13 year old to
learn to sail, and I wanted GRP rather than plywood as I have enough
maintainence with Straight Across, my wooden motorcruiser.
regards
IanC
http://www.eventides.org.uk/images/Straight%20Across%20Almost%20home%208th%20Oct%202005.JPG
"Floatything" <chris...@sinkthespamntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Floatything
> Thanks for the info, I did put a similar message on the Mirror Sailing
Assoc
> website & got a broadly similar answer, ie, it's a Mirror look a like,
GRP,
> is insurance group 3 for Newtoncrum where its listed as a separate class
to
> Mirrors (group 1 insurance).
>
> Any info such as if it is longer, lighter (?) who were West Eleven, or was
> that the name & it was moulded by somebody else, any info really.
>
(but don't quote me on that). They certainly are faster (otherwise I'd
never have won a race). They are extremely stable but it IS possible to tip
one. They have a large capacity - I've carried 4 adults and a lot of
equipment PLUS 2 dogs!. They have built in buoyancy -and are effectively
double skinned (inner and outer mouldings). There was (on mine) ample
storage space through a sealed hole forward.
There are two mast positions (just like a mirror).
Weight? lighter than a Mirror - can be handled by one person (but one
person would have difficulty lifting the hull off the ground).
Faults? - well they are getting old ... most of them are scarred and
patched - that's why I got rid of mine. There is a wooden rubbing strake
which is important for hull strength - check this is OK and replace it if
you have doubts.
there is a drainage bung on the transom - check it doesn't leak - also check
it isn't full of water - (they sail like a pig when they are - especially
when you leave the bung out - I know - I sailed for 1/2 hour with the bung
out!)
Um - that's about it.
I recommend them - but don't pay a lot as they ARE getting on now.
HTH Floatything
Ian Johnston
wrote:
: V sim to a mirror but grp. Perhaps a couple of inches longer. Mast has
: two positions. Set for'ard she is a single-hander.
My Mirror has that feature. Don't they all?
Ian
--
River Tramp
they generally accepted as Mirrors in clubs, or do clubs regard them as a
different class when racing?
From what you mentioned below re their load carrying capacity, they do seem
ideal for what I want (alternative tender if we don't want to use the
inflatable) and I don't expect my son to get interested in racing.
regards
IanC
"Floatything" <chris...@sinkthespamntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ian Johnston
: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:21:18 -0000, "River Tramp"
: <ia...@binnacle-design.co.uk> wrote:
:
: > I don't expect my son to get interested in racing.
:
: Find out what other people's kids race in the club and buy that, Ian.
If he is not expecting his son to race, what would be the point of
that?
Ian
--
River Tramp
You're right, I suppose as I am about to buy one (hopefully) just knowing a
little bit of history about them is of interest. Biggest plus mentioned
tonight is load carrying capacity, 4 adults/2 dogs plus gear, and you can
sail it, you can row it, seems ideal for giving the kids something to do in
the backwaters or W Mersea.
BTW, got a new Suzuki 2 stroke 2.2DT last week, seem to be very few
available now. It would seem a suitable O/B to put on the back of such a
dinghy for kids to get used to O/B's without too much power.
IanC
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 2 Feb 2006 22:59:32 GMT, "Ian Johnston" <ian.g...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:39:05 UTC, Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:21:18 -0000, "River Tramp"
>>: <ia...@binnacle-design.co.uk> wrote:
>>:
>>: > I don't expect my son to get interested in racing.
>>:
>>: Find out what other people's kids race in the club and buy that, Ian.
>>
>>If he is not expecting his son to race, what would be the point of
>>that?
>
>>>"Thanks for the info. Can you easily right them after a capsize, and are
>>>they generally accepted as Mirrors in clubs, or do clubs regard them as a
>>> >>different class when racing?
>>>From what you mentioned below re their load carrying capacity, they do
>>>seem ideal for what I want (alternative tender if we don't want to use
>>>the >>inflatable) and I don't expect my son to get interested in racing."
>
>
> I misread what he posted. I can't see the point of the second question
> he asked.
>
> Why do you use different quote marks to the rest of the world? :-)
> --
> Martin
Ian Johnston
: On 2 Feb 2006 22:59:32 GMT, "Ian Johnston" <ian.g...@btinternet.com>
: wrote:
: >If he is not expecting his son to race, what would be the point of
: >that?
: I misread what he posted. I can't see the point of the second question
: he asked.
Fair enough.
: Why do you use different quote marks to the rest of the world? :-)
It's the default on my newsreader (Pronews/2). Why it's the default I
have no idea!
Ian
Teredo
West Eleven 'B' Type
LOA 11' 3"
Sail areas Main = 53, jib = 22, genoa = 33
weight (hull only) 130 lb
designer Geoffrey Sutton
Builder Weston Marine Centre, Foulbridge, Colne, Lancs
PortsmouthYardstick rating 115
NOTE. at that time Mirror was rated at 122
I would say that to load such a boat with 4 adults and 2 dogs would be
overload
Floatything
"Teredo" <ed_win...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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air inbetween the two mouldings, and in reality they cope very well with a
big load - they don't float significantly lower in the water.
RiverTRamp asked about how easily they right. - Well firstly they are quite
stable so unplanned bathing is rare. Mine didn't even go over when I lost
my mast in a blow (don't ask) but this highlighted a problem - when they
havn't capsized they are a bugger to get back into, because of the high
freeboard. I'd strongly recommend a small boarding ladder or bit of rope
with a loop being available for such a situation.
When I did capsize practices with it, there was no problem - usual
procedure, one righting the boat while scooping up the other. No problems.
I've never had a total inversion so I can't comment on that.
Floatything
River Tramp
Lodestar 3.1m (ish) without getting another OB. Tried several Seagulls, a
Minus, Featherweight, and a Plus, (the Plus kept conking out) but none were
powerful enough for getting to the hard at W Messea, Ramsholt etc, and
especially the Alde. So a small Suzuki for the kids, and hopefully a 5hp
Yamaha for me to play with.
IanC
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:29:17 -0000, "River Tramp"
> <ia...@binnacle-design.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Martin
>>
>>You're right, I suppose as I am about to buy one (hopefully) just knowing
>>a
>>little bit of history about them is of interest. Biggest plus mentioned
>>tonight is load carrying capacity, 4 adults/2 dogs plus gear,
>
> Very small dogs?
>
>>and you can
>>sail it, you can row it, seems ideal for giving the kids something to do
>>in
>>the backwaters or W Mersea.
>>
>>BTW, got a new Suzuki 2 stroke 2.2DT last week, seem to be very few
>>available now. It would seem a suitable O/B to put on the back of such a
>>dinghy for kids to get used to O/B's without too much power.
>
> I bet it will plane with that on it :-)
> --
> Martin
robert....@gmail.com
is almost certainly not below the waterline, so I reckon they are the
same I'm suprised they are classed as different - it's probably the
wooden boat purists of the Mirror association that maintain
that status.
Just like a Mirror they will turn turtle almost instantly and be hard
to get back into, unless your small and relatively strong - a child
that can get out of a swimming pool at the deep end should be
alright - an adult will more than likely just capsize it again - help
the smaller ones in first to balance the boat before you do.
Mirrors (and I'm sure WE) are good fun little boats but don't depend
on them to beat against a tide. I won a trophy in one once
(on a lake)
Robert