Thames raters and half raters vs A raters and b raters
John E Harris
Can anyone explain the different distinctions bewteen the sub-classes of
Thames rater?
I understand that half raters are smaller than raters and that B raters
are smaller than A raters. But how, for example, do B raters relate to
half raters?
The reason I'd like to know is that I'm preparing a web page about a
newly rebuilt 1894 Thames half rater and to get more context I've
googled and found all four terms.
For anyone interested:
Volunteer (designered by Linton Hope, built by Afred Burgoine, rebuilt
by Charles Lovelace) is of the type known as 'Skimming dish'; she sailed
on the Thames till 1900, at the Ouse Amateur Sailing Club till 1904 and
then at the Cam Sailing Club till 1971. There's a photo of her at
<http://www.cam.net.uk/home/sail/VolunteerCharlesChris.jpg> At the helm
is Charles Lovelace who rebuilt her.
Regards
John
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Andy Champ
John E Harris
Andy Champ <no....@nospam.com> wrote:
> John E Harris wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Can anyone explain the different distinctions bewteen the sub-classes of
> > Thames rater?
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> >
> > John
> >
>
> http://www.thamessailingclub.co.uk/E7E9E/Raters.aspx
>
> might help.
>
> Andy
Thanks Andy
The Rater Association and the Thames Sailing Club only seem to sail A
raters -- in fact it was from one of their pages* that I learned there
were A raters. Of course, these may be same things as straight Thames
raters without qualification, and the "A" may have been introduced to
distinguish them from B raters. But then my main interest is in half
raters and how they relate to A and B raters.
I think that Charles Lovelace will be contacting the relevant Thames
clubs himself about any records that might reveal Volunteer's first
owner, ie, when she was on the Thames, 1894-1900. I think only 3 of the
5 non-tidal Thames clubs that existed in the 1890s are still in
existence.
*<http://www.thamessailingclub.co.uk/E0760/Raters/Rater_Descriptions.aspx
>
Thanks anyway.
Andy Champ
>
> The Rater Association and the Thames Sailing Club only seem to sail A
> raters -- in fact it was from one of their pages* that I learned there
> were A raters. Of course, these may be same things as straight Thames
> raters without qualification, and the "A" may have been introduced to
> distinguish them from B raters. But then my main interest is in half
> raters and how they relate to A and B raters.
>
> I think that Charles Lovelace will be contacting the relevant Thames
> clubs himself about any records that might reveal Volunteer's first
> owner, ie, when she was on the Thames, 1894-1900. I think only 3 of the
> 5 non-tidal Thames clubs that existed in the 1890s are still in
> existence.
>
> *<http://www.thamessailingclub.co.uk/E0760/Raters/Rater_Descriptions.aspx
>
> Thanks anyway.
>
> John
>
The 'A' Raters used to have a website of their own, and the class sec.
was someone I knew slightly from university. He never mailed me back
though... Perhaps now he's famous and on the BBC I'm beneath notice.
Correction: He's left the Beeb and now works for NATO!
http://www.afsouth.nato.int/nhqs/bios/laity/MarkLaityBio.htm
I think "a 1907 Edwardian river yacht" is one of the Raters.
Andy
i...@atsandelldot.codot.uk
wrote:
SNIP
>Correction: He's left the Beeb and now works for NATO!
>
>http://www.afsouth.nato.int/nhqs/bios/laity/MarkLaityBio.htm
>
>I think "a 1907 Edwardian river yacht" is one of the Raters.
There wouldn't be much point in putting " a Thames A Rater" in CV like
that.
I'd like to see one on something like the Bloody Mary with a couple of
trapezes on open water.
Ian
Andy Champ
>
> I'd like to see one on something like the Bloody Mary with a couple of
> trapezes on open water.
>
> Ian
There's usually one entered, you only have to go and watch!
In fact, the 2006 race was won by "Spindrift". (This year he was only 11th)
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=20070
Andy
i...@atsandelldot.codot.uk
wrote:
>i...@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to see one on something like the Bloody Mary with a couple of
>> trapezes on open water.
>>
>> Ian
>
>There's usually one entered, you only have to go and watch!
Quite so, except the time I go will be a flat calm. I also want to see
the three rivers race with the punts. And the A class scows and the
...
Ian
s.monnier
at the time your boat was designed, the rating rule was something like (Lwl
x SA)/6000. Depending of the result, your boat was a half tonner (less than
0.5) one tonner (less than 1.0) etc. the biggest being, I think, the 20
tonners.
The thames A raters are all rated around < 1.0, but there were some famous B
raters (half raters) like "black cap" or "were here"
Regards,
S.Monnier