NERCA
Peter Turtill
to All Traffic being added to a Definitive Map. That maybe fair enough
in most towns but in Ipswich we only got a DM in July so effectively
we will never have any BOATS in Ipswich. That just has to be wrong.
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invalid
have always been on the Definitive Map
"Peter Turtill" <tur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Turtill" <tur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p6sli59mgalm7lgrn...@4ax.com...
> > What a shockingly bad piece of law this is. It stops any Byways Open
> > to All Traffic being added to a Definitive Map. That maybe fair enough
> > in most towns but in Ipswich we only got a DM in July so effectively
> > we will never have any BOATS in Ipswich. That just has to be wrong.
> > tur...@gmail.com
>
> Sorry, but can you expand on what you're talking about? Byways
> have always been on the Definitive Map
>
This is one of the fundamental problems for many users, especially
riders and cyclists. There's no easy way to see 'the next level up'
from bridleways in order to plan a route which avoids main roads as
far as possible.
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Ian Rawlings
> Sorry, but can you expand on what you're talking about? Byways
> have always been on the Definitive Map
The problem Pete has is that there is no definitive map for his area, and
he's trying to get one made. The NERC act prevents known byways from
being added so he can't add those, as he's in a wheelchair this might be a
PITA for him.
It was put into place by an opportunistic government, doing their usual of
painting a law as tackling a specific hot topic "problem" (anti-4x4
sentiment) even when their own investigations revealed there wasn't one,
when their real reason for wanting it was in order to reduce
administrative overheads. When the tories get in, it'll be even worse as
the landowners have much more influence with them.
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Top posting corrected ...
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invalid
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> invalid <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Misquoting corrected ...
>> <tin...@isbd.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:c3msv6-...@chris.isbd.net...
>> > invalid <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, but can you expand on what you're talking about? Byways
>> >> have always been on the Definitive Map
>> >>
>> >> "Peter Turtill" <tur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:p6sli59mgalm7lgrn...@4ax.com...
>> >> > What a shockingly bad piece of law this is. It stops any Byways Open
>> >> > to All Traffic being added to a Definitive Map. That maybe fair
>> >> > enough
>> >> > in most towns but in Ipswich we only got a DM in July so effectively
>> >> > we will never have any BOATS in Ipswich. That just has to be wrong.
>> >> > tur...@gmail.com
>> > Are they? 'Highways' (i.e. ordinary roads) aren't are they?
>> >
>> > This is one of the fundamental problems for many users, especially
>> > riders and cyclists. There's no easy way to see 'the next level up'
>> > from bridleways in order to plan a route which avoids main roads as
>> > far as possible.
>> >
>>
> Top posting corrected ...
>
tin...@isbd.co.uk
>
Now, now, Captain Mainwaring
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Chris Green
Peter Turtill
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Sorry, but can you expand on what you're talking about? Byways
>have always been on the Definitive Map
In Ipswich I have been fighting the CC for years to get them to
produce a DM. The Ramblers have been fighting for a DM even longer
than I have so eventually I started proceedings for a Judicial Review
and in July they produced what they call the Ipswich DM. It is a farce
as it only has a handful of RoW listed and a few TRO which allowed
parts of a few RoW to be blocked or diverted. Now I have a few tarmac
surfaced RoW I want to have added to the DM but because of NERCA the
CC will only consider them as Restricted Byways and not BOATS. NERCA
is a disaster in its present form as it would appear Ipswich will
never be allowed to have a single BOAT under the current
interpretation of the law. The same position applies to any other town
without a DM as they too will never have a BOAT.
pete
Peter Turtill
<new...@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>On 2009-12-18, invalid <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but can you expand on what you're talking about? Byways
>> have always been on the Definitive Map
>
>The problem Pete has is that there is no definitive map for his area, and
>he's trying to get one made. The NERC act prevents known byways from
>being added so he can't add those, as he's in a wheelchair this might be a
>PITA for him.
>
>It was put into place by an opportunistic government, doing their usual of
>painting a law as tackling a specific hot topic "problem" (anti-4x4
>sentiment) even when their own investigations revealed there wasn't one,
>when their real reason for wanting it was in order to reduce
>administrative overheads. When the tories get in, it'll be even worse as
>the landowners have much more influence with them.
The whole issue is crazy in Ipswich. We have 4 footpaths but I cannot
use them except in a Mechanically Propelled Vehicle because it is too
dangerous to walk or in my case travel in a wheelchair. The owners of
the RoW being Ipswich Borough Council and they have actually built two
cars parks half a mile of more along the footpaths. They actively
encourage driving on RoW in the countryside while at the same time
trying to prevent car usage around the dock where we have always
driven.
pete
Peter Turtill
report prepared by SCC for its RoW Committee.
http://apps2.suffolk.gov.uk/cgi-bin/committee_xml.cgi?p=detail&id=1_12456
Go to Google Earth and put this post code into the search bar, IP4 1BY
Now you can see the routes around the dock matching the maps and all
the car and trucks using those routes. Because of NERCA these routes
although presently being used as BOATS will now become Restricted
Byways which means only vehicles allowed by Goldman Sachs (lead
shareholders in ABP) will be able to use the routes as of Right.
Now go in a 5 O'clock direction in Google Earth until you hit
52.01'38.86"N 1.12'16.49"E and that is the start/finish of FP1. If
you follow that to Bridgewood you will see a car park about 1000m
along the FP. What rational is there that keeps cars off roads but
invites them onto FP's?
pete