Legality of Uniden 2830
Philip de Cadenet
>I appreciate that most people will be aware of this situation, but
>here it is from the horses mouth so to speak.
>
>*******
>Dear Mr Harris
>
>As you say, it is illegal to possess, sell or advertise sets such as
>the Uniden 2830. Anyone who wishes to hand over a Uniden 2830 to the
>Agency can contact me and I will arrange for our local staff to
>collect the transceiver for disposal.
>
>I hope this is helpful.
>
>Doug Raynes
>Radiocommunications Agency
I seem to remember this subject was recently touched upon on this ng and
that if a licensed amateur wished to import one for personal and legal
use on the 10m band then, after duty and VAT had been paid, this would
be ok? Yes or no?
Phil G4ZOW / Unit 148
Jon Harris
here it is from the horses mouth so to speak.
*******
Dear Mr Harris
As you say, it is illegal to possess, sell or advertise sets such as
the Uniden 2830. Anyone who wishes to hand over a Uniden 2830 to the
Agency can contact me and I will arrange for our local staff to
collect the transceiver for disposal.
I hope this is helpful.
Doug Raynes
Radiocommunications Agency
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>>> "jon harris" <tal...@whitecliffsdx.freeserve.co.uk> 19/December/1998 11:48am >>>
Dear Sir/Madam,
A couple of people have approached me recently with a query and i
wonder
if you could help.
Many years ago a 10m Amateur Radio (Uniden 2830) was sold by a company
called, IIRC, Raycomm. Many amateurs bought these sets in good faith,
but the import of them was quickly stopped as they were very easily
modified to cover various illegal frequencies and bands (notably 'CB'
bands)
The people who have approached me still have these radio in an
unmodified condition and hold Class A radio amateurs licences. There
concern is that possession or use of them is illegal.
Can you clarify the situation for me please, and if the news is bad,
is
there a process for handing this equipment into an official body
without
fear of prosecution? They feel they bought the equipment in good faith
(both were Class A licensed at the time) and since then, through a
change in law, they fear it maybe illegal to sell them, and illegal to
own them.
Although a good deal of time has passed, what is the current postion
and
what would your advice be please?
Many thanks for your time,
Regards,
Jon Harris
Jon Harris
Email:tal...@whitecliffsdx.freeserveDEADWOOD.co.uk
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Jack
> the Uniden 2830. Anyone who wishes to hand over a Uniden 2830 to the
> Agency can contact me and I will arrange for our local staff to
> collect the transceiver for disposal.
Before a certain date (in 1988, I think) it was legal to import single band
10m sets such as the Uniden 2830. Therefore if you have one imported before
this date IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to own. However, expanding it outwith 10m band
and using it on 27mhz is illegal.
I dont know if 2830s were manufacturer before 1988, but stating the "sets
such as the Uniden 2830" are illegal, is not correct.
Over to you Jon. I think Mr. Raynes would appreciate the benefit of our
knowledge, which seems to be collectively greater than his.
Shane-Antony D'Arcy
Philip de Cadenet wrote:
>
> I seem to remember this subject was recently touched upon on this ng and
> that if a licensed amateur wished to import one for personal and legal
> use on the 10m band then, after duty and VAT had been paid, this would
> be ok? Yes or no?
>
> Phil G4ZOW / Unit 148
Nope phil not at all :(
Apologies for the HTML too... Bloody Nutscrape.... :(
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Yours, Aye,
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it away.......not......im gonna hide it deep in the cabbage patch ;o) if
they find it I will say it belongs to the pixies......
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Philip de Cadenet
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>> > that if a licensed amateur wished to import one for personal and legal
>> > use on the 10m band then, after duty and VAT had been paid, this would
>> > be ok? Yes or no?
>Actually Phil is correct.
>Single band 10m rigs can still be personally imported, so long as
>permission has been sought.
>Proof of a license to operate the thing on 10m band may be needed before
>permission is given though.
>By the description below, importation has not been banned, it has been
>restricted.
>
>Heres the bit from the BR68 (page 29 and 30)
>
>"the wireless telegraphy (citizens band and amateur apparatus) (various
>provisions) order 1988 (s1 1988 No 1215) restricts the manufacture or
>import of amateur apparatus operating only in the frequency band 28.0mhz to
>29.7mhz.
>-
>next bit defines manufacture
>-
>Requests for authority to manufacture and import single band 28.0mhz to
>29.7mhz apparatus --- should be addressed to the Radiocommunications
>agency, legislation and enforcement section, 8th floor, new kings beam
>house, 22 upper ground, London SE1 9SA"
Here enters Mr Doug Raynes.
I have had dealings with Mr Raynes regarding with regards unproved long
range cordless phones to which there are even more strict rules.
It's now illegal to even possess one even if duty and VAT have been paid
prior to them being made outlawed!
Talk about big brother.
Phil G4ZOW/Unit 148
PS. I should like to read the response if an amateur applied for said
permission to import. Personally I don't think there would be much of a
problem, but it does make one wonder why none of the dealers are selling
President or Uniden 10m mono-banders!
Visit my favourite site: http://www.bigradios.com
and my LONG RANGE CORDLESS M.B. at: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb285053
Jack
and
> > use on the 10m band then, after duty and VAT had been paid, this would
> > be ok? Yes or no?
> >
>
> Nope phil not at all :(
> Apologies for the HTML too... Bloody Nutscrape.... :(
Actually Phil is correct.
Jon Harris
>next bit defines manufacture
>-
>Requests for authority to manufacture and import single band 28.0mhz to
>29.7mhz apparatus --- should be addressed to the Radiocommunications
>agency, legislation and enforcement section, 8th floor, new kings beam
>house, 22 upper ground, London SE1 9SA"
Hmm about time then i think to see what they say when i request to
bring in a President Lincoln in unexpanded 28.0-29.7 mode....
Cheers,
Jon.
Shane-Antony D'Arcy
> next bit defines manufacture
> -
> Requests for authority to manufacture and import single band 28.0mhz to
> 29.7mhz apparatus --- should be addressed to the Radiocommunications
> agency, legislation and enforcement section, 8th floor, new kings beam
> house, 22 upper ground, London SE1 9SA"
I personally dread to think how much that would cost...
Even if they allow it, you know how rabid the RA is on CB equipment of that
nature. I mean what do you do when you no longer want the radio, do you ship it
back to the RA for destruction?
Does the other buyer have to get permission too?
I can see a great many buyers not doing that.
Just my 10p worth (Damned Inflation) :))))
Shane-Antony
G6VYS
Jack
> Even if they allow it, you know how rabid the RA is on CB equipment of
that
> nature. I mean what do you do when you no longer want the radio, do you
ship it
> back to the RA for destruction?
> Does the other buyer have to get permission too?
> I can see a great many buyers not doing that.
I always thought that this rule was to attempt to stop CBers being supplied
with 10/11m radios by stopping the suppliers importing them, but without
restricting licensed amateurs from using rigs they are legally licensed to
do so. It would be unfair to stop an amateur using 10m band because a CBer
used ssb on 27mhz.
The RA are making the assumption that once a radio is in legal use that the
owner would only sell it to another licensed ham. This may or may not
happen, but the alternative is to ban everyone from ownership of these
sets. Which would be unjust.
I assume the expense involved would be the importation tax plus VAT. I dont
know how much this would work out to but it should be calculable. They
haven't introduced a separate "10m monoband tax" as far as I know.
Jon Harris
<BigM...@g4zow.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>PS. I should like to read the response if an amateur applied for said
>permission to import. Personally I don't think there would be much of a
>problem, but it does make one wonder why none of the dealers are selling
>President or Uniden 10m mono-banders!
IIRC if they give you permission, you can only bring them in for
personal use, not resale/commercial sale.
Steve
<sh...@sadarcy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> I mean what do you do when you no longer want the radio, do you ship it
>back to the RA for destruction?
Yeh right.
I can see them all going into the auctions right now.....
Regards from Steve,
Landrake,
Kernow.
st...@steve999.nospam.dircon.co.uk
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