"Mr Consumer" <po...@scoopy.com> wrote in message
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I have no intention of wasting readers time arguing with you, as anyone
who knows me will already realise that you are talking a load of
rubbish.
I will simply state the correct facts and if you wish to make further
comments I hope you have the decency to use your real name and address.
I assume you are referring to the echo base microphone.
This was demonstrated in the shop and bought at the customers own decision.
A few days later he changed his mind (because he said he had bought
another one elsewhere) and asked if he could return the mic.
Unfortunately we can not just "lend" equipment to try to see if you like
it, it would be unfair on other customers to then pass on this "used"
mic as a new one. So in the odd cases where items are returned (NOT
FAULTY) we sell them as "B-Grade" or "mail-order returns" at a slightly
reduced price.
Before returning the mic the customer was offered 2 alternatives:
1. The customer was also offered his FULL money back if he took
something in exchange for a similar value.
2. If nothing else was taken a 15% charge would be deducted from the
original cost.
The (not faulty) mic was returned subject to a 15% charge, this resulted
in a loss of 7.50 on the 57.50 microphone (the full 15% would have been
48.87, but I gave him 50.00).
This does not work out as "buying it back for a third of it's price",
unless your maths is very poor.
This small charge of 7.50 helps to pay for:
1. Plug which was supplied and fitted (and now needs removing because
the next buyer is very unlikely to have the same radio).
2. New battery supplied - this will now be removed and a new one fitted
when the mic is resold.
3. Reduction in price as this mic is now sold as a "return" - I expect
to put it out at 52.50
4. Our time in wiring the mic, demonstrating it, testing it etc.
There was no legal obligation to take the mic back at any price (please
feel free to check with trading standards) since there was no dispute
about it working OK (just unwanted) - but to HELP the customer we took
it back (after deducting the small 7.50 charge), and this is the way he
responds !!!
There's just no helping some people.
In response to the last comment, although I have not personally
converted any Lincolns (not since the mid 80's anyway), anyone who
actually knows about the conversion will know that it is impossible to
"screw up the sideband frequency" doing that mod. The comment simply
confirms things you may suspect of this poster.
--
Doug
Knights CB
http://www.kcb.co.uk
I Have bought from Doug a few times now and would like to say that i have
the utmost confidence in his knowledge and service in CB radio, i have never
had any trouble with him before and would like to say that i stand right
behind him on this one and i would also urge other satisfied customers to
speak up for our man doug to!!
Lee
Mr Consumer <po...@scoopy.com> wrote in message
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Terry
"Lee Bales" <my.h...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I agree 100% with Lee. I have used Knights several times over the years and
on every order I have been more than satisfied. Only last week I placed an
order, (you may remember Doug - Blackpool, brackets, etc), and again as
expected, items were A1, service spot on, customer satisfaction perfect.
Anyone who has had ANY dealings with Knights would probably do as I did
after reading Mr Consumers trash, LMFAO:-)
So, on a final note, I would not hesitate sending anyone to Knights for CB
related gear and advice..... I think i've sent plenty there anyway and all
seem very happy:-)
OK, is that worth a 10% off future orders?...LOL, kidding of course.
Bye for now.
--
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"Lee Bales" <my.h...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I have dealt with Knights for many years now and have never had any trouble
at all. I suppose you take as you find but in all honesty I would not shop
elsewhere.
Georgina
After all, they are still in business where others are not :-)
"Georgina" <ma...@NOSPAMPLEASEhookystreet.net> wrote in message
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knights is pants
"━oD@" <p|-|a...@sstard.com> wrote in message
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>For anyone thinking of going to Nights CB shop in Kirton Lindsey, Lincs. I
>wouldnt bother.
Yadda yadda yadda.
What's very interesting is that "Mr Consumer", "stew", "Tony",
"Joe90", "sp()()ny", "Barney", "━oD@" and "Gary" all post from the
same computer. A computer that will be easily traced by ntl, the ISP,
as it appears to be using their cablemodem service.
Coincidentally, these are the only persons posting messages that
protray Knights in a negative manner.
I'll leave it to you to draw any conclusions from this, although I
will remind anyone who's interested that the laws of defamation also
apply to the Internet - remember the Godfrey case?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_695000/695596.stm
--
QrizB
I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but don't
be fooled.
>Truck King were equally an acceptable shop to deal with in my opinion too
>:-)
Given that i found them very unfriendly when i called in, that doesn't
say much for Knights.
It's easy to find shops that are good when they're selling you
something. What sorts the good from the bad is what the after sales
service is like. I'm not passing comment though as I've only ordered a
few hardware type things from both companies. Now i'd rather source
abroad or via a wholesaler.
Cheers,
Jon.
If you only got £45 back I am afraid it is your wife who is "ripping you
off" because I handed £50 over to her.
QrizB <Qr...@dev.nul> wrote in message
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I have bought twice from knights without any trouble.You could try
http://www.wsplc.co.uk/
(water & stanton)but they are over-priced and bad with your visa card.They
do ask very,very alot of questions.
or http://www.mlands.co.uk/
Last point: it's your choice!.you may wanted too ask some questions before
ordering.
"D J Knights" <knig...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:200203202...@zetnet.co.uk...
>The message <a%bm8.643$DG5.1...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>
>from "Tony" <to...@rootymon.org.uk> contains these words:
>> your just one of the many rip-off arrogant shops that don't give a shit
>> about their constomers except whats in their wallets...
>> As for my real name and address , you have it as a receipt was filled in...
>If you only got £45 back I am afraid it is your wife who is "ripping you
>off" because I handed £50 over to her.
Bwahahaha. Sorry.
:-))
JH
>I agree with doug on this!.but he does sell second hand cb radio for a high
>price.The customer should of got a full refund without any charge at all if
>the box was'nt open at all.
>
>I have bought twice from knights without any trouble.You could try
>http://www.wsplc.co.uk/
>(water & stanton)but they are over-priced and bad with your visa card.They
>do ask very,very alot of questions.
>or http://www.mlands.co.uk/
Probably the 2 most expensive AR shops around. They have a near
duopoly with the unthinking masses - shop around!
Cheers,
John.
Didn't need to look at the headers, the grammar gave it away ;-)
Best Wishes
toxic_waste
You mean : NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126 ?
We know who it is.
--
Mark Russell ''If you enjoy it - it's probably illegal''
Guzzi V50 Monza.
26HB896
OSOS#16 (Please castrate to e-mail)
> mmmm try truck-kings off the M/A1 they are cheaper than Knights by far
Kindly FOAD.
A recommendation from you is something we can do without.
>According to Bill Gates, on Thu 21 Mar 2002 12:24:08p "JT"
><smeg...@nospam.hotmail.com> knelt at the big white telephone, and
>heaved this into uk.rec.radio.cb:
>
>>I was wondering when someone was gonna look at the message headers. Oh
>>boy.
>>
>>
>>QrizB <Qr...@dev.nul> wrote in message
>>news:3c998987...@news.ntlworld.com...
>>>
>>> What's very interesting is that "Mr Consumer", "stew", "Tony",
>>> "Joe90", "sp()()ny", "Barney", "━oD@" and "Gary" all post from the
>>> same computer. A computer that will be easily traced by ntl, the ISP,
>>> as it appears to be using their cablemodem service.
>>
>
>You mean : NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126 ?
>We know who it is.
Well, when you go round to break his kneecaps, let us all know, OK?
>According to Bill Gates, on Thu 21 Mar 2002 03:27:11a "━oD@"
><p|-|a...@sstard.com> knelt at the big white telephone, and heaved this
>into uk.rec.radio.cb:
>
>> mmmm try truck-kings off the M/A1 they are cheaper than Knights by far
>> and much better service, not to mention free delivery and more stuff
>> available...
>> www.truck-king.co.uk
>>
>> knights is pants
>
>Kindly FOAD.
Please don't take my callsign in vain! :-))
Jon - 2F0AD
>questions and the have always found the time to talk to me. NOw I am not
>saying that Knights is perfect, for example I started a post a while ago
>about high prices on s/h rigs for sale at knights. However to simply lower
>ones self to hurl abuse at a shop that lets be honest is one of a handful is
>shameful to say the least.
Playing devils advocate here. If a shop was to offer bad service, the
fact that it is only one of the few left should not mean that it
shouldn't be slagged off. Doug did have a s/h FT-101 for less than
£150 which was very fair, other radios do look expensive however, but
then as one of the 2 well known shops for CB he can do it. He's not
alone, look at how the 2 main AR shops charge more than almost
everyone else, most people still go there though :-((
>P.S They do say that the are NOT the cheapest supplier so you can not use
>that one againast them!!!
A shop admitting they're expensive is hardly a good reason for not
criticising them for it!
At the end of the day, find a shop that looks after you and support
it!
JH
I think this thread is a troll in rather poor taste.
:-(
A notice of disgust has already appeared on the amateur packet network
:-(
> EEK! I notice that TK are advertising in the April edition of RadCom!
>
> A notice of disgust has already appeared on the amateur packet network
>
> :-(
>
>
>
Must've been a freebie.
Only the most hardened anoraks read Radcomic anyway.
> I throw my tuppence worth in with the pro-Knights team. I have
They don't call you Jock McLightning for nothing do they ?
> Must've been a freebie.
> Only the most hardened anoraks read Radcomic anyway.
Hee hee! I don't get "hard" reading RadCom! Do you?
>
:-)
Please tell me you got the Radcomic free, and didn't pay for it !
Incidentally, the response from the ad has been suprisingly good.
> For anyone thinking of going to Nights CB shop in Kirton Lindsey, Lincs. I
> wouldnt bother.
> Doug is a right ripoff and a total screwdriver jockey when it comes to
> fixing anything.
> A friend of mine recently returned asome equipment a day after it was sold
> as Mr Knight sold the wrong (and expensive) bit of kit. They wouldnt give
> money back although the box wasnt opened nor exchange it. They would
> howether offer to buy it back at a third of the price.
> Needless to say, they will be losing quite abit of custom from around here
> which was a conciderable amount too..
> He has also converted a few President Lincolns and screwed up the sideband
> frequency by doing so as he is an incompetent asshole.
Mr. Knight has broken just about every trading standards law pertaining
to this, going.
If you have a receipt - or even if you do not have a receipt but can
prove the radio was
bought from his shop you are entitled to a full refund or replacemnet
radio within a 28 day period.
After that 28 day period you can only ask for a repair. If you have any
further hassle please contact your local trading standards office.
Before you goto that hassle, ring mr. Knight up and tell him what your
next course of action will be.
Watch him S@Łt himself!
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
Ah, but that assumes that the equipment is faulty... it was not. "Mr
Consumer" admitted that there was no fault.
The customer just changed his mind... after he had a plug fitted (so the box
must have been opened, when he said it wasn't), made the purchase, left the
shop, and took it home (for a few days).
> If you have any
> further hassle please contact your local trading standards office.
> Before you goto that hassle,
Check what the law says about if you change your mind a few days
after making a purchase. Bear in mind also that:
1. The goods were purchased from a shop (not mail order), so
could be seen before purchase.
1. Knights fitted a plug for the customer. Knights have a right to
charge for the service.
2. The equipment is no longer new, it has been sold to a customer.
Knights can not sell it as new... that would be illegal. So, knights
will have to sell it at less than the new price, and it is not their
fault that the customer changed their mind.
I have often seen a notice displayed in shops making it clear that non-faulty
goods being returned will incur a handling charge. This is quite common where
shops see plenty of customers ordering the wrong item or changing their mind.
Another common notice is one giving a set time in which to collect your
repaired item. After that time they may dispose of it as they see fit. I
checked this one with my local Trading Standards... totally legal as long as
the notice is clearly displayed, they consider 1 month to be reasonable.
Hey, Doug... do you include such notices anywhere, or would it be a good
idea to have them in the shop?
> ring mr. Knight up and tell him what your next
> course of action will be.
> Watch him S@Łt himself!
I doubt if he will even suffer so much as mild flatulence over the matter.
Bear in mind that "Mr Consumer" is using several names, one post says he is
not the customer (so what's it to him), while another post claims he *is* the
customer (but using another name).
The person is hiding behind several fake identities and posting to a
newsgroup, rather than dealing directly using his real name.
Also, his story does not totally add up (unless his maths skills are
seriously lacking). He said that Knights would "buy it back at a third of the
price", but then said "you gave Ł45" (although Doug says he gave back Ł50).
Ł45 returned from a Ł57.50 item is 86.956% of the full price - not 33% (1/3).
Some of the claims he makes while using several false names...
As Mr Consumer
he refers to "A friend of mine" as making the purchase.
As stew <djr...@nbtinternet.com>
"I myself bought a president Lincoln off you afew months ago"
As Tony <to...@rootymon.org.uk>
"Actually it was me who bought that mike"
As Joe90 <farn...@btopenworld.com>
"I bought a 5/8 wave Antron too some months ago and it was faulty"
As sp()()ny <spo...@freeserve.co.uk>
He insults us all with "Man wat a load of kissasses"
As Barney <bar...@aol.co.uk>
He seriously crosses the line with "does that Doug look like a
Gayassrapist"
As ©ĄoD@ <p|-|a...@sstard.com>
He promotes a certain other shop and says "knights is pants"
As Gary <candice...@ntlworld.com>
"the Knights shop which I have also heard bad reports of"
No kidding... he wrote the "bad reports", using the above names.
Check the headers... all from the same computer.
I wonder how many of those e-mail addresses are really his... maybe the ISPs
involved should be contacted. Some of the posts could be enough to get the
ISPs to take action... and some could be enough for Knights to take
legal action.
It only takes a few seconds to trace the IP number to his *real* ISP.
Peter.
<Snip>
> He promotes a certain other shop and says "knights is pants"
>As Gary <candice...@ntlworld.com>
> "the Knights shop which I have also heard bad reports of"
> No kidding... he wrote the "bad reports", using the above names.
>
>
>Check the headers... all from the same computer.
>I wonder how many of those e-mail addresses are really his... maybe the
>ISPs involved should be contacted. Some of the posts could be enough to
>get the ISPs to take action... and some could be enough for Knights to
>take legal action.
>It only takes a few seconds to trace the IP number to his *real* ISP.
>
May I state publicaly that the morphing tw*t who is the cause of all this
has no links whatsoever with 'the certain other shop'.
Doug and I e-mailed each other privately over the matter.
I never thought otherwise... but some may not have been sure, so it is good
that you cleared that up.
The trouble is, that by insulting one shop then promoting another, the chap
can give the wrong impression.
As I mentioned before, I have dealt with both shops (although Knights is
nearer) and never had a problem with either.
I think we have probably all had to deal with a "customer from hell"
once or twice.
I once got threatened with Trading Standards... for refusing to repair a
radio. The radio was a well got at Amateur radio (front panel had
been rewired wrong).
As the panel wiring was incredibly complicated and was now a mess, it
was a very long job to go through re-wiring the whole panel, and the
radio was an old mobile, I classed it as "BER".
I did not charge the customer for my time, or the components I replaced
before finding that he had wired the panel wrong, and that popped any
new "chips" that went in (he only informed me that he had removed
the whole front and re-wired it when I had already found out the hard way).
I have to agree that you just can't help some people, even when you don't
charge them... and you make a loss for their mistake.
Peter.
"Brainbuster" <brain...@lineone.spamtrap.net> wrote in message
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>
> Mmmmm, funny how you all seem to have gone to the same skool of
> illiteracy.
>
ITYM illegitimacy.
No, just a customer of several CB shops, who has manners and knows how to
make complaint through the correct channels when required. If you believed
that you had a claim, you would take the legal route.
===
> Also you must be the most dum person on the net has the headers from the
> messages it is impossible to say from the same computer.
===
No, you need a lesson in header reading, one in basic literacy and one in
basic manners.
Maybe your parents should have disciplined you better.
Anyhow, let's just deal with the header info for now, because you are not
smart enough to tell for yourself.
YOUR HEADER:
Path:
news.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.
net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail
From: "Happy harry" <Spam_tr...@Group.com>
Newsgroups: uk.rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Knights CB SHop is a ripoff
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:47:24 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: BT Openworld
Message-ID: <a921br$5ac$1...@paris.btinternet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-148-226.btinternet.com
X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1018464444 5452 213.1.148.226 (10 Apr 2002
18:47:24 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: news-co...@lists.btinternet.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:47:24 +0000 (UTC)
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
Xref: news.theplanet.net uk.rec.radio.cb:22738
So, you have a BT internet account, and "213.1.148.226 " is the node number
of your computer.
The number may be dynamic or static. Mr Consumer's NTL account always has the
same number. This number can be used with "Neo Trace" (which I have) to
trace a computer. I can enter the number, click a button and up pops a world
map... zooming in as it tracks you in a few seconds.
An amazing piece of software.
My brother has an NTL account, and I can tell him when he has visited my
website... date and time to the second.
Another useful header is the "X-Newsreader"...
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
There are so many version numbers, that few people have the same number, like
you and the "Mr Consumer" chap do. So even when someone changes from NTL
to BT, their news reader can give them away.
So, let's look at other numbers...
"Mr Consumer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Stew" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Tony" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Joe 90" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Sp00ny" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Barney" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"━oD@" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
"Gary" NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.42.126
All the same number at NTL... so all from the same NTL account.
I wonder what will happen if I send copies of all those posts to...
ab...@ntlworld.com
And a copy of your "Happy harry" post to...
news-co...@lists.btinternet.com
Shall we find out?
Peter.
--
>All the same number at NTL... so all from the same NTL account.
>I wonder what will happen if I send copies of all those posts to...
> ab...@ntlworld.com
Judjing by the fact that he has changed accouts, I think this has already
happened.
>And a copy of your "Happy harry" post to...
> news-co...@lists.btinternet.com
I think this may have happened also.
That could be the reason they have been trading for all these years that no
one has aired a compliant here on a news group.
Has for the crap below you girls get on with it, oh I have a BT account,
could I be the same poster. I will leave you to figure that one out.
Yes I think that Doug does look like a gayassrapiest (Free dome of speech).
PS Any message can be edited before reply to abuse@whatever
"Brainbuster" <brain...@lineone.spamtrap.net> wrote in message
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Do you still Your BBS ?
"Rocket" <testicle...@lineone.net.> wrote in message
news:Xns91EEC081355D1...@130.133.1.4...
>Mr Russell have you moved from HUCKNULL.
I do not, and never have lived anywhere near HUCKNULL.
>Do you still Your BBS ?
>
Translation in English please.
Ta.
"John" <iam...@home.com> wrote in message
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"Rocket" <testicle...@lineone.net.> wrote in message
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"Bill" <NoS...@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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>I think that you have M5ADU? maybe
>
No, you have me confused with someone else.
I do not have an amateur callsign.
No, I will gladly speak my mind. But I have had no problems with either shop.
When CB was new to this country, cowboys were common. Many CB shops
ripped people off, as nobody new enough to know they were being fed b***s**t.
Most of the cowboy traders disappeared when the bottom fell out the market
in the early 80's.
Some are still disappearing, so those remaining know they have to be good to
their customers.
TV rental engineers have done tricks for years. They get called out to a
faulty TV, take one look, then say "It's your aerial, madam". Seen it done
with a set that had slow field flyback, the lines across the top of the
screen were a dead giveaway. There is no money to be made out of repairing a
rented TV, so if there's a picture... feed them a line, and get the hell onto
the next job... time is money.
If you read the CB groups long enough, you will see me give my thoughts on
such cowboys... including a certain nationally known high street chain.
===
> Yes I think that Doug does look like a gayassrapiest
===
If rapists all looked the same, the police would have a much easier time
tracking them down.
===
> (Free dome of speech).
===
ROTFLMFAO...
I think they closed that down... it was losing money, not enough visitors.
==
> PS Any message can be edited before reply to abuse@whatever
===
But the IP number is set by the server... in that case NTL.
If I "ping" that node, I can get the location of the computer connected to
that node.
The abuse header is also set by the server.
Even with a dynamic IP number, the ISP will know who was using that
connection at that time.
===
> Has for the crap below you girls get on with it, oh I have a BT account,
> could I be the same poster. I will leave you to figure that one out.
===
Your poor attempt at English gives you away. I sure hope English is your
second language.
Peter.