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Duncan Heenan
Jan 5, 2012, 3:33:26 PM1/5/12
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I attended the latest sentencing of Robert Candlish at St. Albans Crown
Court on Thursday 5th January 2012. Here is my brief summary. Though it will
probably be reported in the local press next week, it missed the deadline
for this week.
RC had 'scrubbed up' for the occasion and was wearing a suit, though he
still managed to look disheveled, emaciated and with a boozer's florid
complexion. On his lapel he prominently wore an old CCBN badge (despite
having been expelled about 3 years ago).
The prosecution and defence lawyers had consulted together before the judge
arrived, and seemed in general agreement as to what sentence they favoured.
A policeman arrived with copious files, and spent about 20 minutes in the
Judge's chambers going through the illegal material, evidence, pre-sentence
reports etc. Candlish had already pleaded guilty to all charges, and the
hearing was for sentencing only. No reference was made to his criminal
record or other matters which might be yet to come to court.
The Judge summarised the offences. On 22/9/10 Candlish's computer had been
arrested for other matters, and his computer searched. In doing so the
police found both his detailed diary and a large number of illegal, extreme
and indecent images of children. On 14/6/11 as a result of another arrest,
the police seized other computer equipment containing a large number of
images of child abuse, and extreme pornography. On 12/8/11 Environmental
Health Officers visited his flat at 52 Wickhams Warf, Viaduct Road, Ware,
Herts SG12 9PT., as a result of complaints of a health hazard. In clearing
the premises of certain material, they came across a large number of printed
images of extreme pornography, depicting both boys and girls being abused,
and bestiality.
On 6/12/11 RC pleaded guilty to 35 charges, summarised as making;
31 level 5 images, 118 Level 4 images, 67 level 3 images, 126 level 2
images, and 'a large number' of level 1 images.
[Key:
Level 1: Images of erotic posing, with no sexual activity;
Level 2: Non-penetrative sexual activities between children, or solo
masturbation by a child;
Level 3: Non-penetrative sexual activity between adults and children;
Level 4: Penetrative sexual activity involving a child or children, or both
children and adults;
Level 5: Sadism or involving the penetration of, or by, an animal.]
RC had claimed that he was a 'naturist' and that the level 1 images were a
reflection of that (though they were all of children). The Judge said that
it was not in the public interest to try to distinguish between those at
level 1 which were genuine naturism and those which were not, as RC's
interest in them all was clearly sexual, given all the surrounding
circumstances; and in any event it would not affect the sentencing outcome.
The fact was, he had 249 indecent images, which RC himself agreed were
'extreme pornography', and which were illegal. The judge concluded that RC's
whole interest in naturism was sexual.
The judge read out some extracts from RC's computer based diary (for the
sake of the Press?), describing visits to Spielplatz, mostly during 2008. He
gives very creepy detailed descriptions of very young boys and girls,
concentrating on their sexual organs and state of their sexual development.
It is written in drooling tones, obviously aimed at trying to recreate the
obvious sexual thrill he was getting.
The Judge said he had read all the pre-sentencing reports, and concluded
that RC could not understand the nature of what he had done, and remained in
denial. RC ought therefore to undergo treatment to try to address this
deficiency in his personality. This had been recommended by the Probation
Service. The Judge said he also wished to protect genuine naturists, and
children from RC, whom he considered posed a continuing risk.
The sentence was therefore a number of measures:
RC is now a registered Sexual Offender, and though he will not yet go to
prison (unless he breeches the terms), he will be subject to a Supervised
Sexual Offences order for 5 years, minimum. This will include a compulsory
rehabilitation programme for Sexual Offenders. His computer equipment has
been forfeit and will be destroyed. He is to have no access to the Internet
except on computers on which 'risk assessment' software approved by the
national Safeguarding Authority has been installed, and he is not to
interfere with any software. He is not to apply for membership of any
naturist club, nor to make any visit to one, nor attend any naturist event.
He is not to have any unsupervised contact with any child under 16 years.
He is not to hold any employment or do voluntary work which would involve
him in contact with under 16's. Any breech of the terms of this order will
lead to an automatic prison sentence.
Personal comment:
In my view the judge missed the point in treating this as if it were an
isolated event, and as a result he was too lenient. It is in fact just the
latest to come to Court in a string of highly antisocial illegal acts, on an
increasing trend. There is no element of punishment in this sentence.
Candlish will consider this as a victory, and he is unrepentant. I know this
because, as soon as I got home I got another unsolicited, triumphalist email
from him, in exactly the same tone as ever. I believe he still poses a
considerable risk, and given his history of flouting the law, lying and
using assumed identities, I can not see how this sentence can be effectively
enforced and policed. Even if he does step out of line and get put in
prison, it would be after someone else has suffered, and I would have
thought enough people have suffered from him in various ways to stop giving
him further chances. He has clearly continued reading URN, though he is
banned from posting (watch out for the sock puppets!) and will continue to
do so. Doubtless he will read this.
If anyone receives anything from him, I recommend they pass it straight to
the police (I can supply contact details). Anyone having anything to do with
Candlish runs a big risk, so my advice is to have nothing to do with him,
whatever he may say.
--
Duncan Heenan
Court on Thursday 5th January 2012. Here is my brief summary. Though it will
probably be reported in the local press next week, it missed the deadline
for this week.
RC had 'scrubbed up' for the occasion and was wearing a suit, though he
still managed to look disheveled, emaciated and with a boozer's florid
complexion. On his lapel he prominently wore an old CCBN badge (despite
having been expelled about 3 years ago).
The prosecution and defence lawyers had consulted together before the judge
arrived, and seemed in general agreement as to what sentence they favoured.
A policeman arrived with copious files, and spent about 20 minutes in the
Judge's chambers going through the illegal material, evidence, pre-sentence
reports etc. Candlish had already pleaded guilty to all charges, and the
hearing was for sentencing only. No reference was made to his criminal
record or other matters which might be yet to come to court.
The Judge summarised the offences. On 22/9/10 Candlish's computer had been
arrested for other matters, and his computer searched. In doing so the
police found both his detailed diary and a large number of illegal, extreme
and indecent images of children. On 14/6/11 as a result of another arrest,
the police seized other computer equipment containing a large number of
images of child abuse, and extreme pornography. On 12/8/11 Environmental
Health Officers visited his flat at 52 Wickhams Warf, Viaduct Road, Ware,
Herts SG12 9PT., as a result of complaints of a health hazard. In clearing
the premises of certain material, they came across a large number of printed
images of extreme pornography, depicting both boys and girls being abused,
and bestiality.
On 6/12/11 RC pleaded guilty to 35 charges, summarised as making;
31 level 5 images, 118 Level 4 images, 67 level 3 images, 126 level 2
images, and 'a large number' of level 1 images.
[Key:
Level 1: Images of erotic posing, with no sexual activity;
Level 2: Non-penetrative sexual activities between children, or solo
masturbation by a child;
Level 3: Non-penetrative sexual activity between adults and children;
Level 4: Penetrative sexual activity involving a child or children, or both
children and adults;
Level 5: Sadism or involving the penetration of, or by, an animal.]
RC had claimed that he was a 'naturist' and that the level 1 images were a
reflection of that (though they were all of children). The Judge said that
it was not in the public interest to try to distinguish between those at
level 1 which were genuine naturism and those which were not, as RC's
interest in them all was clearly sexual, given all the surrounding
circumstances; and in any event it would not affect the sentencing outcome.
The fact was, he had 249 indecent images, which RC himself agreed were
'extreme pornography', and which were illegal. The judge concluded that RC's
whole interest in naturism was sexual.
The judge read out some extracts from RC's computer based diary (for the
sake of the Press?), describing visits to Spielplatz, mostly during 2008. He
gives very creepy detailed descriptions of very young boys and girls,
concentrating on their sexual organs and state of their sexual development.
It is written in drooling tones, obviously aimed at trying to recreate the
obvious sexual thrill he was getting.
The Judge said he had read all the pre-sentencing reports, and concluded
that RC could not understand the nature of what he had done, and remained in
denial. RC ought therefore to undergo treatment to try to address this
deficiency in his personality. This had been recommended by the Probation
Service. The Judge said he also wished to protect genuine naturists, and
children from RC, whom he considered posed a continuing risk.
The sentence was therefore a number of measures:
RC is now a registered Sexual Offender, and though he will not yet go to
prison (unless he breeches the terms), he will be subject to a Supervised
Sexual Offences order for 5 years, minimum. This will include a compulsory
rehabilitation programme for Sexual Offenders. His computer equipment has
been forfeit and will be destroyed. He is to have no access to the Internet
except on computers on which 'risk assessment' software approved by the
national Safeguarding Authority has been installed, and he is not to
interfere with any software. He is not to apply for membership of any
naturist club, nor to make any visit to one, nor attend any naturist event.
He is not to have any unsupervised contact with any child under 16 years.
He is not to hold any employment or do voluntary work which would involve
him in contact with under 16's. Any breech of the terms of this order will
lead to an automatic prison sentence.
Personal comment:
In my view the judge missed the point in treating this as if it were an
isolated event, and as a result he was too lenient. It is in fact just the
latest to come to Court in a string of highly antisocial illegal acts, on an
increasing trend. There is no element of punishment in this sentence.
Candlish will consider this as a victory, and he is unrepentant. I know this
because, as soon as I got home I got another unsolicited, triumphalist email
from him, in exactly the same tone as ever. I believe he still poses a
considerable risk, and given his history of flouting the law, lying and
using assumed identities, I can not see how this sentence can be effectively
enforced and policed. Even if he does step out of line and get put in
prison, it would be after someone else has suffered, and I would have
thought enough people have suffered from him in various ways to stop giving
him further chances. He has clearly continued reading URN, though he is
banned from posting (watch out for the sock puppets!) and will continue to
do so. Doubtless he will read this.
If anyone receives anything from him, I recommend they pass it straight to
the police (I can supply contact details). Anyone having anything to do with
Candlish runs a big risk, so my advice is to have nothing to do with him,
whatever he may say.
--
Duncan Heenan
Jerry
Jan 5, 2012, 4:28:15 PM1/5/12
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"Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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First off, thanks for the report Duncan.
[ snipped for brevity reasons only | comments interweaved ]
:
: The Judge summarised the offences. On 22/9/10 Candlish's
computer had been
: arrested for other matters, and his computer searched. In doing
so the
The light relief, attempting to visualise a computer being
: arrested for other matters, and his computer searched. In doing
so the
arrested, before...
: police found both his detailed diary and a large number of
illegal, extreme
: and indecent images of children. On 14/6/11 as a result of
another arrest,
: the police seized other computer equipment containing a large
number of
: images of child abuse, and extreme pornography. On 12/8/11
Environmental
: Health Officers visited his flat at 52 Wickhams Warf, Viaduct
Road, Ware,
: Herts SG12 9PT., as a result of complaints of a health hazard.
In clearing
[1]
: and indecent images of children. On 14/6/11 as a result of
another arrest,
: the police seized other computer equipment containing a large
number of
: images of child abuse, and extreme pornography. On 12/8/11
Environmental
: Health Officers visited his flat at 52 Wickhams Warf, Viaduct
Road, Ware,
: Herts SG12 9PT., as a result of complaints of a health hazard.
In clearing
: the premises of certain material, they came across a large
number of printed
: images of extreme pornography, depicting both boys and girls
being abused,
: and bestiality.
...the gut-renching reality sets in...
: images of extreme pornography, depicting both boys and girls
being abused,
: and bestiality.
<snip>
:
: The judge read out some extracts from RC's computer based diary
(for the
: sake of the Press?), describing visits to Spielplatz, mostly
during 2008. He
: gives very creepy detailed descriptions of very young boys and
girls,
: concentrating on their sexual organs and state of their sexual
development.
: It is written in drooling tones, obviously aimed at trying to
recreate the
: obvious sexual thrill he was getting.
<snip>
: sake of the Press?), describing visits to Spielplatz, mostly
during 2008. He
: gives very creepy detailed descriptions of very young boys and
girls,
: concentrating on their sexual organs and state of their sexual
development.
: It is written in drooling tones, obviously aimed at trying to
recreate the
: obvious sexual thrill he was getting.
...what's the ASCII emicon for vomiting, anyone? The fact that he
had to write it all down, if having a quick 'wank for the memory'
wasn't bad enough. :~(
Sorry to say that, whilst many outstanding questions have been
answered and suspicions confirmed, many more have now been raised
and asked.
[1] Good god! Sounds like his next stop would have been the meths
bottle and a doorway, once the (inevitable) eviction letter and
bailiffs arrived.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Pat-h
Jan 5, 2012, 4:58:30 PM1/5/12
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I had an interest in the hearing, and sentencing, of his criminal
damages against us of course but he's just too insignificant to be
worth the time to travel to court to watch his carefully constructed
false world dismantled.
And to be honest I don't want anything to do with anyone with those
sort of perverse interests.
I maybe in the minority I know but I'm glad he didn't get a custodial
sentence. I'd rather my taxes were spent on giving him the help he
clearly needs.
Strange that literally minutes after he started sending emails today
our mail host started blocking a sudden influx of junk mail. Not a
problem but as with all activities that breach his restraining order
we've forwarded details to the police so they can accumulate for the
next time around.
I do chuckle every now and then when I'm reminded that he still feels
all this has been orchestrated by me.
How ironic that his fixation and harassment of us led to the final
uncovering of who he really is and how his abused the trust of those
who thought of him as a friend.
It would be nice if I could claim some sort of credit for his
unmasking but I can't. All we did was fail to be intimidated, sought
advice and followed it.
The rest was all self inflicted and all that remains for me to do is
monitor and report any further self damage he decides to inflict.
Lets hope he gets the help he needs and society is protected from the
danger his presents.
And on the bright side Naturism has had removed one sad little man who
represented exactly what he claimed was the danger in Naturism. The
irony just mounts up.
Dario Western
Jan 5, 2012, 6:01:06 PM1/5/12
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Hi Patrick,
Let's hope he gets the help he needs and society is protected from the
rehabilitation? It's pretty sad that for somebody who is as educated as
him, he was foolish enough to do something that no decent person could ever
think they could get away with, especially with police forces being so tight
on it. Makes me wonder what happened to him in his life that he's ended up
being the bitter, malicious and messed-up person he has become today?
I find it an utter hypocrisy that he wrote to H&E in September 2009 claiming
lack of support and solidarity in naturism, when in fact he was guilty of
causing distrust and division in it in the first instance!
Anyway, I hope yourself, Jo and your family can put this matter behind you
and look forward to a better 2012. :-)
--
Regards,
Dario Western
Ph: +61-(7)-3267-6789
Mob: (0437) 428-859
Email: wester...@nospamgmail.com (Before emailing, remove 'nospam')
"A noble heart embiggens the smallest of men" - Jebediah Springfield
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http://www.youtube.com/fatpizzaman
danger his presents.
And on the bright side Naturism has had removed one sad little man who
represented exactly what he claimed was the danger in Naturism. The
irony just mounts up."
I wonder whether he will come out a better person if he goes through
And on the bright side Naturism has had removed one sad little man who
represented exactly what he claimed was the danger in Naturism. The
irony just mounts up."
rehabilitation? It's pretty sad that for somebody who is as educated as
him, he was foolish enough to do something that no decent person could ever
think they could get away with, especially with police forces being so tight
on it. Makes me wonder what happened to him in his life that he's ended up
being the bitter, malicious and messed-up person he has become today?
I find it an utter hypocrisy that he wrote to H&E in September 2009 claiming
lack of support and solidarity in naturism, when in fact he was guilty of
causing distrust and division in it in the first instance!
Anyway, I hope yourself, Jo and your family can put this matter behind you
and look forward to a better 2012. :-)
--
Regards,
Dario Western
Ph: +61-(7)-3267-6789
Mob: (0437) 428-859
Email: wester...@nospamgmail.com (Before emailing, remove 'nospam')
"A noble heart embiggens the smallest of men" - Jebediah Springfield
Websites: http://fatpizzaman.blogspot.com
http://www.orkut.com/Main#Profile?uid=2147852057525588972
http://picasaweb.google.com/westernorama
https://plus.google.com/100694264154039602176
http://www.youtube.com/fatpizzaman
Duncan Heenan
Jan 6, 2012, 1:47:14 AM1/6/12
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"Dario Western" <wester...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> snip <
>
Indeed it re-raises a number of questions about his earlier life which
Candlish refused to answer here. And as with most of his stuff, it was he
who raised them in the first place with his bragging and bravado; and then
complained when others followed up the inconsistencies and found out it was
based on lies.
Maybe the police & probation service will be asking him about it.
--
Duncan Heenan
news:UYpNq.1219$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
> snip <
> I wonder whether he will come out a better person if he goes through
> rehabilitation? It's pretty sad that for somebody who is as educated as
> him, he was foolish enough to do something that no decent person could
> ever think they could get away with, especially with police forces being
> so tight on it. Makes me wonder what happened to him in his life that
> he's ended up being the bitter, malicious and messed-up person he has
> become today?
> Dario Western
> rehabilitation? It's pretty sad that for somebody who is as educated as
> him, he was foolish enough to do something that no decent person could
> ever think they could get away with, especially with police forces being
> so tight on it. Makes me wonder what happened to him in his life that
> he's ended up being the bitter, malicious and messed-up person he has
> become today?
>
Indeed it re-raises a number of questions about his earlier life which
Candlish refused to answer here. And as with most of his stuff, it was he
who raised them in the first place with his bragging and bravado; and then
complained when others followed up the inconsistencies and found out it was
based on lies.
Maybe the police & probation service will be asking him about it.
--
Duncan Heenan
The Pete Knight
Jan 6, 2012, 1:15:06 PM1/6/12
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On Jan 5, 9:58 pm, Pat-h <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> It would be nice if I could claim some sort of credit for his
> unmasking but I can't. All we did was fail to be intimidated, sought
> advice and followed it.
> The rest was all self inflicted and all that remains for me to do is
> monitor and report any further self damage he decides to inflict.
>
> Lets hope he gets the help he needs and society is protected from the
> danger his presents.
> And on the bright side Naturism has had removed one sad little man who
> represented exactly what he claimed was the danger in Naturism. The
> irony just mounts up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> It would be nice if I could claim some sort of credit for his
> unmasking but I can't. All we did was fail to be intimidated, sought
> advice and followed it.
> The rest was all self inflicted and all that remains for me to do is
> monitor and report any further self damage he decides to inflict.
>
> Lets hope he gets the help he needs and society is protected from the
> danger his presents.
> And on the bright side Naturism has had removed one sad little man who
> represented exactly what he claimed was the danger in Naturism. The
>
But you should take credit, my attempt to muster legal support fell on
stoney ground, the best legal advice I was given was to stay away from
URN in order not to be seen to intimidate Candlish.
Thankfully your effort in starting the ball rolling has uncovered his
sordid history, and justice has been seen to be served, but unlike you
Pat I would have liked to have seen him served with a custodial
sentence, it is quite obvious he still hasn't seen the error of his
ways, and as Duncan suggests, it will take another victim to suffer at
his hands before he is delt with appropriatly. You are right in that
he needs help, but this help might be better given in a secure
institution.
Pete
Pat-h
Jan 6, 2012, 3:43:34 PM1/6/12
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Again ironically when he wanted to join our naturist club and we were
asked to meet him he came across very well in our 15 min meeting and
we actually recommended him to the committee.
Fortunatley his actions and behaviour elsewhere was known to some of
the committee and they wisely rejected his membership.
Based on that rejection and then ours following some very worrying
actions on his part he embarked on his campaign and of course that was
his undoing.
I've always known that educated doesn't mean smart or even clever and
it clearly doesn't mean moral or trustworthy and recent events have
only strengthened that knowledge.
Jerry
Jan 6, 2012, 4:44:54 PM1/6/12
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"The Pete Knight" <petek...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:ff7c9665-43e7-413b...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
: I would have liked to have seen [RC] served with a custodial
: sentence, it is quite obvious he still hasn't seen the error of
: his ways, and as Duncan suggests, it will take another victim
: to suffer at his hands before he is delt with appropriatly. You
: are right in that he needs help, but this help might be better
: given in a secure institution.
If RC does need a custodial sentence then he needs to be
: his ways, and as Duncan suggests, it will take another victim
: to suffer at his hands before he is delt with appropriatly. You
: are right in that he needs help, but this help might be better
: given in a secure institution.
sectioned under the mental health act and thus taken into secure
treatment, it is my understanding that prison doesn't help in
curing the underlying problems of sexually motivated crimes due
to the general regimes found in prisons (heck, they don't exactly
help the average inmate to rehabilitate), never mind the fact
that people like RC would likely spend most of their sentence in
the protection wing and thus would give RC even more time to
brood over who he sees responsible for his own predicament and
then come out after a few years worse than ever.
His sentence is not going to be an easy option for him, what ever
he may or may not have boasted afterwards, unlike his "Community
Sentence" for his previous crimes against "pat-h" and family
/was/ [1]. AIUI RC will find himself on a very tight regime were
he will be made to confront his sexuality *and any related
issues*, until he does so he will not be given any slack, and
remember it is not a 5 year supervision order but a *minimum of
five years* [2], with the threat that he will be banged up if he
so much as puts a toe, never mind foot, wrong hanging over him...
[1] and surely his existing sentences and any conditions still
exist for those crimes?
[2] he was, in effect, handed an indeterminate sentence
--
Regards, Jerry.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 6, 2012, 5:04:24 PM1/6/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
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Given his record of ignoring or getting round rules somehow, I can't see the
sentence as giving the public much protection from him. OK he gets banged up
if he gets caught, but he knew he was taking that risk with all his other
crimes, and he still went ahead, as he seems to think he is invulnerable
(except when you're fact to face with him, then he's not so brave). I feel
that the only really effective way of protecting the public from him is to
take his liberty from him altogether. Practically that can't be for ever,
but if it were for the period of treatment, at least the public would be
protected until a judgment could be made on whether he was safe to be
released.
Norton Brown will have been released by now. It is odd that he was banned
from Railway Heritage Sites, but not from mixing with children in other
contexts. The Judicial System never ceases to amaze me.
--
Duncan Heenan
news:je7q16$tc7$1...@dont-email.me...
sentence as giving the public much protection from him. OK he gets banged up
if he gets caught, but he knew he was taking that risk with all his other
crimes, and he still went ahead, as he seems to think he is invulnerable
(except when you're fact to face with him, then he's not so brave). I feel
that the only really effective way of protecting the public from him is to
take his liberty from him altogether. Practically that can't be for ever,
but if it were for the period of treatment, at least the public would be
protected until a judgment could be made on whether he was safe to be
released.
Norton Brown will have been released by now. It is odd that he was banned
from Railway Heritage Sites, but not from mixing with children in other
contexts. The Judicial System never ceases to amaze me.
--
Duncan Heenan
Pat-h
Jan 6, 2012, 6:13:19 PM1/6/12
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On Jan 6, 10:04 pm, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk>
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Of course this is all off topic as its a naturist group and the
subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
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subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 7, 2012, 2:48:25 AM1/7/12
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"Pat-h" <Pat1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>Of course this is all off topic as its a naturist group and the
>subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
I agree that Candlsih (and his old friend Norton Brown) were never
naturists, but Candlsih did pretend to be and did use naturism as a means of
access to children - as Norton Brown used the work in minature railways he
shared in common with Candlish, as a means of accss to children. Both were
convicted and are now on the Sex Offenders Register and banned from the
activites they used as a cover.
It is relevant to naturism insofar as Candlish hid his real, sexually
depraved, motives behind the respectable front of naturism. It is
interesting that the judge actually said in Court that genuine naturists
needed protection from Candlish, which is why he is now banned from any
naturist organisation or event. There are other cases of bad people using
naturism wrongly, such as John Wymar-Hoar (who was actually on the BN
executive for many years until discovered with illegal child porn).
So I think there is a message to the naturist world, which is that in among
the very many good and normal folk, there are a few wierdos 'using'
naturism, and we have to ramain at least as vigilant as we would in any walk
of life where children are involved.
It is doubly ironic that Candlish also used a pretended concern for child
protection to try to justify his own depraved interest in children, thus
besmerching that also by association.
It does not take many bad people to get all naturists a bad name in the
public imagination, which is why we need to make it abundantly clar to the
world that Candlsih and his like are totally unacceptable to us.
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>Of course this is all off topic as its a naturist group and the
>subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
naturists, but Candlsih did pretend to be and did use naturism as a means of
access to children - as Norton Brown used the work in minature railways he
shared in common with Candlish, as a means of accss to children. Both were
convicted and are now on the Sex Offenders Register and banned from the
activites they used as a cover.
It is relevant to naturism insofar as Candlish hid his real, sexually
depraved, motives behind the respectable front of naturism. It is
interesting that the judge actually said in Court that genuine naturists
needed protection from Candlish, which is why he is now banned from any
naturist organisation or event. There are other cases of bad people using
naturism wrongly, such as John Wymar-Hoar (who was actually on the BN
executive for many years until discovered with illegal child porn).
So I think there is a message to the naturist world, which is that in among
the very many good and normal folk, there are a few wierdos 'using'
naturism, and we have to ramain at least as vigilant as we would in any walk
of life where children are involved.
It is doubly ironic that Candlish also used a pretended concern for child
protection to try to justify his own depraved interest in children, thus
besmerching that also by association.
It does not take many bad people to get all naturists a bad name in the
public imagination, which is why we need to make it abundantly clar to the
world that Candlsih and his like are totally unacceptable to us.
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 3:59:39 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 7:48 am, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
I assume we can also take some comfort from the likely result of his
unexpectedly light sentence.
It would seem almost certain he's done deal to shop others with the
same sick interests, as these types tend to operate in rings.
He has no morals and I exepect the police now have a few more people
to speak to.
So although he's still "free" others won't be.
And that will diminish his already very small social circle even
further.
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
unexpectedly light sentence.
It would seem almost certain he's done deal to shop others with the
same sick interests, as these types tend to operate in rings.
He has no morals and I exepect the police now have a few more people
to speak to.
So although he's still "free" others won't be.
And that will diminish his already very small social circle even
further.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 7, 2012, 4:27:56 AM1/7/12
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"Pat-h" <Pat1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I assume we can also take some comfort from the likely result of his
>unexpectedly light sentence.
>It would seem almost certain he's done deal to shop others with the
>same sick interests, as these types tend to operate in rings.
>He has no morals and I exepect the police now have a few more people
>to speak to.
>So although he's still "free" others won't be.
>And that will diminish his already very small social circle even
>further.
his 'friends'.
Wouldn't it be nice if we never heard of him again? What odds....?
edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk
Jan 7, 2012, 4:39:45 AM1/7/12
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'credentials' in the form of a BN badge.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 7, 2012, 4:58:28 AM1/7/12
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order, if he does it again? I expect his probation officer or the police
would be interested to hear of it.
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>> Of course this is all off topic as its a naturist group and the
>> subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
>One problem was that even in court he was openly sporting his naturist
>'credentials' in the form of a BN badge.
Indeed. I wonder if that constitues a breach of his latest restraining
>> subject isn't , can't be and clearly never was a naturist.
>One problem was that even in court he was openly sporting his naturist
>'credentials' in the form of a BN badge.
order, if he does it again? I expect his probation officer or the police
would be interested to hear of it.
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 5:18:28 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 9:39 am, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
Don't forget that for "normal" folk wearing a BN badge indicates an
association for naturisum.
For him it most likely means an association with his criminal access
to young children.
So wearing it means something different to him.
I do feel BN should take steps to enforce the restriction on him
implying membership.
They have grounds for a restraining order to specifically cover that.
The current order prohibits his membership but not his implied
membership by wearing the badge.
association for naturisum.
For him it most likely means an association with his criminal access
to young children.
So wearing it means something different to him.
I do feel BN should take steps to enforce the restriction on him
implying membership.
They have grounds for a restraining order to specifically cover that.
The current order prohibits his membership but not his implied
membership by wearing the badge.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 5:13:22 AM1/7/12
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<snipped for brevity>
: It is doubly ironic that Candlish also used a pretended concern
should either, discounted the possibility that Candlish actually
*wanted* to get caught (unless he really is a /total/ idiot [1]),
his hatred for others being born out of a self-hatred of himself
for what he is -"why are others 'normal' and not me?"- possibly
set off by the charging/conviction of Norton Brown.
: It does not take many bad people to get all naturists a bad
The main problem is that non naturists (and some who call
themselves naturist/nudists...) still equate nudity with sex, one
gets bad apples in all walks of life, for example most people
don't assume that that the church or boarding/private schools are
an orgy of child abuse because there have been -far more than in
naturism- such cases of child abuse. What naturists need to do is
make it abundantly clear that naturism doesn't equal sex and that
organised naturism will do what ever it takes to expose (pardon
the pun), name and then shame any person, company or 'club' who
is using the word or world of naturism/nudism for such purposes.
For example, should any naturist holiday company actively promote
resorts that are a). provocatively named, b). that are noted for
being "adult only" c). that have a "liberal attitude and party
atmosphere", never mind the fact that the media has called one
such resort 'Pleasure Island' (and used it as such for a TV
series), thus re-enforcing the publics perception of a link
between naturists/nudists and those who 'swing'.
Child abuse and the likes of Brown, Candlish or Wymar-Hoar are
totally unacceptable -period- if anything needs to be added to
the end of that statement then let it be the words 'to society',
naturism is irrelevant.
[1] I mean, to be caught three times, on widely separate dates,
with the same sort of illegal images...
<snipped for brevity>
: It is doubly ironic that Candlish also used a pretended concern
for child
: protection to try to justify his own depraved interest in
children, thus
: besmerching that also by association.
Is it? I have not yet, and at this point I don't think others
: protection to try to justify his own depraved interest in
children, thus
: besmerching that also by association.
should either, discounted the possibility that Candlish actually
*wanted* to get caught (unless he really is a /total/ idiot [1]),
his hatred for others being born out of a self-hatred of himself
for what he is -"why are others 'normal' and not me?"- possibly
set off by the charging/conviction of Norton Brown.
: It does not take many bad people to get all naturists a bad
name in the
: public imagination, which is why we need to make it abundantly
clar to the
: world that Candlsih and his like are totally unacceptable to
us.
:
: public imagination, which is why we need to make it abundantly
clar to the
: world that Candlsih and his like are totally unacceptable to
us.
The main problem is that non naturists (and some who call
themselves naturist/nudists...) still equate nudity with sex, one
gets bad apples in all walks of life, for example most people
don't assume that that the church or boarding/private schools are
an orgy of child abuse because there have been -far more than in
naturism- such cases of child abuse. What naturists need to do is
make it abundantly clear that naturism doesn't equal sex and that
organised naturism will do what ever it takes to expose (pardon
the pun), name and then shame any person, company or 'club' who
is using the word or world of naturism/nudism for such purposes.
For example, should any naturist holiday company actively promote
resorts that are a). provocatively named, b). that are noted for
being "adult only" c). that have a "liberal attitude and party
atmosphere", never mind the fact that the media has called one
such resort 'Pleasure Island' (and used it as such for a TV
series), thus re-enforcing the publics perception of a link
between naturists/nudists and those who 'swing'.
Child abuse and the likes of Brown, Candlish or Wymar-Hoar are
totally unacceptable -period- if anything needs to be added to
the end of that statement then let it be the words 'to society',
naturism is irrelevant.
[1] I mean, to be caught three times, on widely separate dates,
with the same sort of illegal images...
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 5:45:22 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 10:13 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
Having been in coiurt and see His continued lies and attempted
manipulation I have to disagree Jerry. He is arrogant and believes
he's above the law and even society.
What he has yet to accept, and I'm not sure ever will, is that his
view of morality isn't normal or right and those that continue to
oppose his morality are right and normal.
This isn't a campaign against him more against that morality.
I for one will never cease to defend the moral standards I hold and I
will continue to use all the methods available to me to see those
moralities defended and protected.
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
manipulation I have to disagree Jerry. He is arrogant and believes
he's above the law and even society.
What he has yet to accept, and I'm not sure ever will, is that his
view of morality isn't normal or right and those that continue to
oppose his morality are right and normal.
This isn't a campaign against him more against that morality.
I for one will never cease to defend the moral standards I hold and I
will continue to use all the methods available to me to see those
moralities defended and protected.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 5:49:26 AM1/7/12
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: It would seem almost certain he's done deal to shop
: It would seem almost certain he's done deal to shop
: others with the same sick interests, as these types tend
: to operate in rings.
So the tabloid media keep telling us!
: to operate in rings.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 6:13:36 AM1/7/12
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[ I assume this is what "pat-h" was replying to]
: > Is it? I have not yet, and at this point I don't think
: Having been in coiurt and see His continued lies and
deemed mentally ill during his rehabilitation programme and thus
sectioned, for treatment or societies/his protection, either way
he gets institutionalised. I wager that, he is more a psychopath
than 'cunning', thought-out criminal - in his mind there are no
lies and no manipulation...
--
Regards, Jerry.
On Jan 7, 10:13 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
wrote:
<snip>
wrote:
[ I assume this is what "pat-h" was replying to]
: > Is it? I have not yet, and at this point I don't think
: > others should either, discounted the possibility that
: > Candlish actually *wanted* to get caught (unless he
: > really is a /total/ idiot [1]),
:
: > Candlish actually *wanted* to get caught (unless he
: > really is a /total/ idiot [1]),
: Having been in coiurt and see His continued lies and
: attempted manipulation I have to disagree Jerry. He is
: arrogant and believes he's above the law and even society.
So perhaps then he really is an 'idiot', perhaps then he will be
: arrogant and believes he's above the law and even society.
deemed mentally ill during his rehabilitation programme and thus
sectioned, for treatment or societies/his protection, either way
he gets institutionalised. I wager that, he is more a psychopath
than 'cunning', thought-out criminal - in his mind there are no
lies and no manipulation...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 7, 2012, 6:38:28 AM1/7/12
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neighbours, & "friends" finding out he was a paedopghile, might
drive him to top himself. Sadly it seems he`s too arrogant to do the
world such a favour :-{. I wonder how he spends his time now that
he hasn`t got a computer to satisfy his lust?
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 7:32:26 AM1/7/12
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[ snipped: the totally abhorrent comments about Candlish
committing suicide ]
: I wonder how he spends his time now that
: he hasn`t got a computer to satisfy his lust?
Judging from Duncan's reports about Candlish's appearance -
probably getting drunk (or tripped), as alcoholics (and drug
addicts) tend to do...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 7, 2012, 8:56:38 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 12:32 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide. Or at the very
least some form of castration. As far as i am concerned, all
convicted sex criminals should be castrated, & the death penalty for
certain crimes of murder. We`ve gone from treating criminals too
harshly, to practically smacking their hand & telling them not to do
it again. Build more prisons, give the criminals a 3 strikes &
you`re banged up warning, or move them to somewhere where Jerry
lives. How about releasing Ian Brady & lodge him with one of those
idiots who think he`s been locked up far too long. I`ve got very
little sympathy for criminals who think the law is a soft touch, or
those idiots who think they should be given another chance & another
chance & another..........!
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
least some form of castration. As far as i am concerned, all
convicted sex criminals should be castrated, & the death penalty for
certain crimes of murder. We`ve gone from treating criminals too
harshly, to practically smacking their hand & telling them not to do
it again. Build more prisons, give the criminals a 3 strikes &
you`re banged up warning, or move them to somewhere where Jerry
lives. How about releasing Ian Brady & lodge him with one of those
idiots who think he`s been locked up far too long. I`ve got very
little sympathy for criminals who think the law is a soft touch, or
those idiots who think they should be given another chance & another
chance & another..........!
The Pete Knight
Jan 7, 2012, 9:43:52 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 1:56 pm, Hamish <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide. Or at the very
> least some form of castration. As far as i am concerned, all
> convicted sex criminals should be castrated, & the death penalty for
> certain crimes of murder. We`ve gone from treating criminals too
> harshly, to practically smacking their hand & telling them not to do
> it again. Build more prisons, give the criminals a 3 strikes &
> you`re banged up warning, or move them to somewhere where Jerry
> lives. How about releasing Ian Brady & lodge him with one of those
> idiots who think he`s been locked up far too long. I`ve got very
> little sympathy for criminals who think the law is a soft touch, or
> those idiots who think they should be given another chance & another
> chance & another..........!
That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is despicable he
> I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide. Or at the very
> least some form of castration. As far as i am concerned, all
> convicted sex criminals should be castrated, & the death penalty for
> certain crimes of murder. We`ve gone from treating criminals too
> harshly, to practically smacking their hand & telling them not to do
> it again. Build more prisons, give the criminals a 3 strikes &
> you`re banged up warning, or move them to somewhere where Jerry
> lives. How about releasing Ian Brady & lodge him with one of those
> idiots who think he`s been locked up far too long. I`ve got very
> little sympathy for criminals who think the law is a soft touch, or
> those idiots who think they should be given another chance & another
> chance & another..........!
has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience,
with no evidence of harm to any person, although I still believe a
custodial sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
I admit to coming over a bit 'Daily Mail' sometimes, especially after
reading a story of ourageous criminality, but there are too many
stories written about people who are executed and later found to be
innocent, unfortunately it's not currently possible to commute the
death sentance!
Anyway, back on topic, I have long felt that a representative
organisation should police naturism, exposing the likes of RC and
working with the authorities to stamp out unsavoury activities in the
dunes. Some effort to seperate unsavoury activities from naturism, and
publicly acknowledge these efforts, would go a long way to making
naturism better understood, unfortunately the only organisation best
placed to do this prefered (Past tense!) to sweep such matters under
the carpet and pretend it never happened, I hope that is a thing of
the past.
Pete
Hamish
Jan 7, 2012, 10:03:09 AM1/7/12
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available to the police these days that it would be virtually
impossible to convict an innocent person of murder? And yes, to get
back on topic. I totally agree that naturism needs some kind of
policing to deter the undesirables & meerkats that prowl the dunes. I
remember being on Morffa beach a few years back & noticed a guy
putting stones in a backpack. I asked him if they were for his garden
& he said no, they`re for those buggers messing about in the dunes!
I never did get to ask him if his rather dangerous method of chasing
off the meerkats worked. A bit too militant even for me!
edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk
Jan 7, 2012, 9:57:04 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 2:43 pm, The Pete Knight <peteknig...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale (and lower
levels). To have those photographs a child would have been seriously
harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then there
would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
Suzanne
wrote:
> That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is despicable he
> has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience,
> with no evidence of harm to any person, although I still believe a
> custodial sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
> appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
>
> Pete
> has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience,
> with no evidence of harm to any person, although I still believe a
> custodial sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
> appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
>
I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale (and lower
levels). To have those photographs a child would have been seriously
harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then there
would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
Suzanne
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 10:47:03 AM1/7/12
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Having just read of the poor guy who's served years for the murder of
his pregnant wife (and under death penalty terms would likely have
been executed) while the police sat on her diary that detailed
previous suicide attempts and a troubled past.
No death penalty system will ever be 100 accurate because humans are
fallible. And taking just one life wrongly makes the idea
unacceptable.
Back on topic.
Pete I'd have to say his actions have been considerably more than an
irritation.
I can't say much as other investigations are still ongoing but to my
knowledge there's a lot more.
What's been posted online regarding his actions is just the tip of a
much bigger iceberg.
More will come to light in the due cause of the legal process.
The irony continues as I've just recieved another compensation payment
as part of the "derisory" ongoing payments that have to come out of
the booze fund.
Just about covers our BN subscriptions. So he is paying for a naturist
subscription just not directly :-)
And at this rate we should be getting payments for 6 years or more.
The Pete Knight
Jan 7, 2012, 10:48:23 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 3:03 pm, Hamish <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Pete, don`t you think that with all the scientific knowledge
> available to the police these days that it would be virtually
> impossible to convict an innocent person of murder?
They thought that years ago when fingerprinting was the pinnacle of
> available to the police these days that it would be virtually
> impossible to convict an innocent person of murder?
forensic science, so what new innovation in years to come will make
current technology look as primative?
Pete
The Pete Knight
Jan 7, 2012, 10:53:48 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 2:57 pm, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
I understand your point, but on a legal standing he hasn't himself
commited the physical act, as far as we know, and he could only be
tried for crimes he himself has commited. Wether there is a market or
not, there are people depraved enough to commit the crimes even
without a market for the material. Selling the images is a nice little
earner, a sideline if you like, but not the main purpose of their evil
deeds.
Pete
commited the physical act, as far as we know, and he could only be
tried for crimes he himself has commited. Wether there is a market or
not, there are people depraved enough to commit the crimes even
without a market for the material. Selling the images is a nice little
earner, a sideline if you like, but not the main purpose of their evil
deeds.
Pete
edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk
Jan 7, 2012, 10:58:59 AM1/7/12
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as we are aware) been involved in the actual abuse he is most
definitely complicit. Conspiracy could be another word.
Suzanne
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 11:20:49 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 3:58 pm, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
I agree. The networking and sharing can only help such people.
By being part of that he was actively supporting those acts.
By being part of that he was actively supporting those acts.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 11:16:30 AM1/7/12
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<snip>
: I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on this
group think about him and his
crimes, also it wasn't so long ago that some people used to say
such things about homosexuals
- nor, as far as anyone seems to be aware has he killed anyone.
: Or at the very least some form of castration.
<the rest of your, ignorant, "Daily Maul" rant snipped>
I assume you have never seen *castrated* animals engaging in
sexual behaviour, never mind the fact that many Italian Castrati
used to have full sex lives... You might think with your balls
Hamish but for most, sex starts in the brain, just like with all
other bodily functions!
A little less emotion might help us all...
--
Regards, Jerry.
<snip>
: I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on this
group think about him and his
crimes, also it wasn't so long ago that some people used to say
such things about homosexuals
- nor, as far as anyone seems to be aware has he killed anyone.
: Or at the very least some form of castration.
<the rest of your, ignorant, "Daily Maul" rant snipped>
I assume you have never seen *castrated* animals engaging in
sexual behaviour, never mind the fact that many Italian Castrati
used to have full sex lives... You might think with your balls
Hamish but for most, sex starts in the brain, just like with all
other bodily functions!
A little less emotion might help us all...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 11:21:45 AM1/7/12
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<edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Jan 7, 2:43 pm, The Pete Knight <peteknig...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
: > That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is
: > despicable he has, as far as we know, only been an
: > irritation, an inconvenience, with no evidence of harm
: > to any person, although I still believe a custodial
: > sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
: > appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
:
wrote:
: > That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is
: > despicable he has, as far as we know, only been an
: > irritation, an inconvenience, with no evidence of harm
: > to any person, although I still believe a custodial
: > sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
: > appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
: I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale
: (and lower levels). To have those photographs a child
: would have been seriously harmed. If there were not
: people wanting such material then there would be no
: trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
Indeed but he didn't produce or distribute the images [1], RC
: would have been seriously harmed. If there were not
: people wanting such material then there would be no
: trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
only made them (downloaded, bought old porn mags or what ever),
my fear is if the law didn't distinguish between production or
distribution and receipt/download -as the sentencing guild lines
currently do- then those minded to receive/download such images
may well start attempting to access children and thus become
private producers, meaning that the number of damaged children
actually increases IYSWIM.
There are no simple or knee-jerk solutions, unfortunately. :~(
[1] or at least he has never been charged with doing so
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 11:39:39 AM1/7/12
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[ in reply to "Pete" ]
: don`t you think that with all the scientific knowledge
your way and two (out of the three) people originally convicted
for her murder would now be in their wooden box 6ft down rather
than shown to be innocent people who are now attempting to put
their lives and families back together. Even a conviction based
on a self-confession is not automatically "safe".
Also, getting back to sex crimes, do remember that old adage that
the punishment should fit the crime, make the punishment to
doctrinal or unbalanced against another more serious crime and
one risks inviting the perpetrator of one crime to commit another
in an attempt to cover their tracks - as is widely suspected to
have happened in the Soham murders back in 2002 (and might have
happened in the Sarah Payne murder of 2000).
: And yes, to get back on topic. I totally agree that
One would first have to make their activities a crime, unless you
are proposing that "two wrongs some how make a right", AIUI
vigilantism is as likely (if not more) illegal than the
"offences" you talk about! But heck, another nice Daily Maul
style rant!
--
Regards, Jerry.
[ in reply to "Pete" ]
: don`t you think that with all the scientific knowledge
: available to the police these days that it would be
: virtually impossible to convict an innocent person of
: murder?
Yes! Most recently, think about the Meredth Kercher case, have it
: virtually impossible to convict an innocent person of
: murder?
your way and two (out of the three) people originally convicted
for her murder would now be in their wooden box 6ft down rather
than shown to be innocent people who are now attempting to put
their lives and families back together. Even a conviction based
on a self-confession is not automatically "safe".
Also, getting back to sex crimes, do remember that old adage that
the punishment should fit the crime, make the punishment to
doctrinal or unbalanced against another more serious crime and
one risks inviting the perpetrator of one crime to commit another
in an attempt to cover their tracks - as is widely suspected to
have happened in the Soham murders back in 2002 (and might have
happened in the Sarah Payne murder of 2000).
: And yes, to get back on topic. I totally agree that
: naturism needs some kind of policing to deter the
: undesirables & meerkats that prowl the dunes.
<snipped>
: undesirables & meerkats that prowl the dunes.
One would first have to make their activities a crime, unless you
are proposing that "two wrongs some how make a right", AIUI
vigilantism is as likely (if not more) illegal than the
"offences" you talk about! But heck, another nice Daily Maul
style rant!
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 11:50:29 AM1/7/12
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"The Pete Knight" <petek...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
: Selling the images is a nice little earner, a sideline if you
: like, but not the main purpose of their evil deeds.
Sorry Pete, have been agreeing with much you've said so far but I
have to disagree here. Tell that to the child victims of the
Russian and other 'organised crime' operations, like with all
activities that are forced underground, under-the-counter or
simply behind closed doors it is never long before organised
crime starts to exploit the 'market'.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 11:55:33 AM1/7/12
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: I can't say much as other investigations are still ongoing
: I can't say much as other investigations are still ongoing
: but to my knowledge there's a lot more.
Then don't say anything...
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 2:12:39 PM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 4:55 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
Fear not Jerry I have it in a password protected document on my
computer. I have it on good authority it's a save as houses
there..... :-)
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
computer. I have it on good authority it's a save as houses
there..... :-)
Jerry
Jan 7, 2012, 3:25:47 PM1/7/12
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Pat, I meant what I said, if you are so involved that you know
what the police are investigating and how far down the road the
police are, then it might be best not to say *anything*, it's bad
enough what has already been suggested by certain people in this
thread, which could now lead to certain others actions being
carried out. :~(
--
Regards, Jerry.
what the police are investigating and how far down the road the
police are, then it might be best not to say *anything*, it's bad
enough what has already been suggested by certain people in this
thread, which could now lead to certain others actions being
carried out. :~(
--
Regards, Jerry.
Pat-h
Jan 7, 2012, 6:41:02 PM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 8:25 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:43c2b7ca-2a08-41cd...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 7, 4:55 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
> wrote:> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8442cc75-2328-4662...@t13g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> :> : I can't say much as other investigations are still
> :> : ongoing but to my knowledge there's a lot more.
> : >
> : > Then don't say anything...
> :
> : Fear not Jerry I have it in a password protected
> : document on my computer. I have it on good
> : authority it's a save as houses there..... :-)
>
> Pat, I meant what I said, if you are so involved that you know
> what the police are investigating and how far down the road the
> police are, then it might be best not to say *anything*, it's bad
> enough what has already been suggested by certain people in this
> thread, which could now lead to certain others actions being
> carried out. :~(
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
Don't worry Jerry despite what somebody believes we're just a small
> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:43c2b7ca-2a08-41cd...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 7, 4:55 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
> wrote:> "Pat-h" <Pat1he...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8442cc75-2328-4662...@t13g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> :> : I can't say much as other investigations are still
> :> : ongoing but to my knowledge there's a lot more.
> : >
> : > Then don't say anything...
> :
> : Fear not Jerry I have it in a password protected
> : document on my computer. I have it on good
> : authority it's a save as houses there..... :-)
>
> Pat, I meant what I said, if you are so involved that you know
> what the police are investigating and how far down the road the
> police are, then it might be best not to say *anything*, it's bad
> enough what has already been suggested by certain people in this
> thread, which could now lead to certain others actions being
> carried out. :~(
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
cog in the machine.
Apart from the criminal damage and harassment. Which have been dealt
with the only connection we have is over the continued breaches of his
restraining order related to us.
The other matters involve others and we're not party to the
proceedings beyond knowing the actions he did to instigate them.
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 4:40:59 AM1/8/12
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On Jan 7, 4:39 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
How dare you imply that i read the Daily Mail. I don`t buy or read
any newspaper, preferring to read the news on the web. If you
think you can "read" a person by his views, then Jerry dear boy, stop
reading the Dandy & Beano. Hamish
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
any newspaper, preferring to read the news on the web. If you
think you can "read" a person by his views, then Jerry dear boy, stop
reading the Dandy & Beano. Hamish
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 5:45:58 AM1/8/12
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<snip>
: How dare you imply that i read the Daily Mail. I don`t
*style* of your rants suggest that you do!
It will also be noted that you chose to reply to the quip of my
comment rather than the substance of the debate...
--
Regards, Jerry.
<snip>
: How dare you imply that i read the Daily Mail. I don`t
: buy or read any newspaper, preferring to read the news
: on the web.
So you read the Daily Mail's Online Edition then, or at least the
: on the web.
*style* of your rants suggest that you do!
It will also be noted that you chose to reply to the quip of my
comment rather than the substance of the debate...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 6:21:58 AM1/8/12
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On Jan 8, 10:45 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
There you go again Jerry, implying i read the Mail online. Let`s get
back to naturism shall we. From what i know about you from reading
your posts over the years, you`re not much of a naturist are you
Jerry. Please feel free to prove me wrong by telling me what naturist
activities you enjoy, have you ever been a member of a naturist club,
do you go on naturist holidays abroad etc. or do you simply
subscribe to urn because you find us to be a jolly nice bunch of
people ( except for me & your old pal Marc ) Come on Jerry, prove
me wrong & tell us the story of your naturist life.
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
back to naturism shall we. From what i know about you from reading
your posts over the years, you`re not much of a naturist are you
Jerry. Please feel free to prove me wrong by telling me what naturist
activities you enjoy, have you ever been a member of a naturist club,
do you go on naturist holidays abroad etc. or do you simply
subscribe to urn because you find us to be a jolly nice bunch of
people ( except for me & your old pal Marc ) Come on Jerry, prove
me wrong & tell us the story of your naturist life.
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 6:54:46 AM1/8/12
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<snipped>
: There you go again Jerry, implying i read the Mail online.
Care to point out were I have done so in either of the two
messages were you make that claim?...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso
--
Regards, Jerry.
<snipped>
: There you go again Jerry, implying i read the Mail online.
Care to point out were I have done so in either of the two
messages were you make that claim?...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 7:14:36 AM1/8/12
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On Jan 8, 11:54 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
So sorry Jerry, when you said Daily Maul silly me thought you meant
Daily Mail. How about when you said " So you read the Daily Mail's
your naturist life Jerry. Please. Hamish
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
Daily Mail. How about when you said " So you read the Daily Mail's
Online Edition then, or at least the
*style* of your rants suggest that you do! " But do tell us about
your naturist life Jerry. Please. Hamish
Duncan Heenan
Jan 8, 2012, 9:08:20 AM1/8/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
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If you mean by that a wife or children, no he doesn't. If you mean he comes
from a family, well he does, but don't we all? I don't know what 'his
family' think of him, and I don't care, but it is one of the things he used
to boast about on URN, before he was banned, so if it as accurate as his
other boasts, your guess is as good as mine.
His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being sentenced for
criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no real friends'.
Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he does.
--
Duncan Heenan
news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:d0121c99-09a3-4d5f...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
> : I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
>
> Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on this
> group think about him and his
> crimes < snip>
> "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:d0121c99-09a3-4d5f...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
> : I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
>
> Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on this
> group think about him and his
If you mean by that a wife or children, no he doesn't. If you mean he comes
from a family, well he does, but don't we all? I don't know what 'his
family' think of him, and I don't care, but it is one of the things he used
to boast about on URN, before he was banned, so if it as accurate as his
other boasts, your guess is as good as mine.
His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being sentenced for
criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no real friends'.
Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he does.
--
Duncan Heenan
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 9:22:12 AM1/8/12
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<yet more toys thrown out of the pram by "Hamish">
news:alt.troll is that away ===>
BTW Hamish, I make no apologies for reading the Daily Mail, but
then neither do I apologies for doing like wise with the Daily
Telegraph, the Times, the Guardian, the FT, USA Today, or even
The Sun (or their Online versions) etc. -if I had a reason to do
so. It's not the publication one read but what information or
opinions one takes away -or discards- from doing so...
Now were where we, oh yes, you were talking about scientific
knowledge, its use in murder trials and the death penalty, not to
mention the idea that some naturists want a measure of
vigilantism, do you have anything to add to your previous
comments or are you content to keep throwing toys around?...
--
Regards, Jerry.
<yet more toys thrown out of the pram by "Hamish">
news:alt.troll is that away ===>
BTW Hamish, I make no apologies for reading the Daily Mail, but
then neither do I apologies for doing like wise with the Daily
Telegraph, the Times, the Guardian, the FT, USA Today, or even
The Sun (or their Online versions) etc. -if I had a reason to do
so. It's not the publication one read but what information or
opinions one takes away -or discards- from doing so...
Now were where we, oh yes, you were talking about scientific
knowledge, its use in murder trials and the death penalty, not to
mention the idea that some naturists want a measure of
vigilantism, do you have anything to add to your previous
comments or are you content to keep throwing toys around?...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 9:47:05 AM1/8/12
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"Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jec80f$827$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me...
: >
: > "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
: >
news:d0121c99-09a3-4d5f...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
: >
: > Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on
this
: > group think about him and his
: > crimes < snip>
:
: If you mean by that a wife or children, no he doesn't. If you
mean he comes
: from a family, well he does, but don't we all? I don't know
what 'his
: family' think of him, and I don't care, but it is one of the
things he used
: to boast about on URN, before he was banned, so if it as
accurate as his
: other boasts, your guess is as good as mine.
Not really sure what your point is Duncan but what difference
: >
: > "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
: >
news:d0121c99-09a3-4d5f...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : I would have no regrets if Candlish committed suicide.
: >
: > Perhaps not, but he does have a family what ever people on
this
: > group think about him and his
: > crimes < snip>
:
: If you mean by that a wife or children, no he doesn't. If you
mean he comes
: from a family, well he does, but don't we all? I don't know
what 'his
: family' think of him, and I don't care, but it is one of the
things he used
: to boast about on URN, before he was banned, so if it as
accurate as his
: other boasts, your guess is as good as mine.
does it make, there is a likely hood that he *does* have family.
Anyway, IMO anyone who can wish suicide on anyone is not much
better than Candlish in some ways, it's just a different sort of
perversion.
There is also the fact that the authorities might take a very dim
view of wishing someone that fate on someone via the internet, as
you have said yourself, it's highly likely that the police are
monitoring this group...
: His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being
sentenced for
: criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no
real friends'.
: Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he does.
Don't mix up emotion used in court, especially the sentencing
: criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no
real friends'.
: Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he does.
phase of a trial, by either the defence and prosecution, and hard
facts.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 9:55:34 AM1/8/12
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On Jan 8, 2:22 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
are implying that i want some sort of vigilantism in naturism ( not
that i would be entirely against it ) I can`t remember saying that, &
if i did, please repost what i said & i will apologise . I recall
agreeing with Pete Knight that naturism needs some form of policing
but that`s not vigilantism is it? And as for using scientific
knowledge to put criminals behind bars ( i would prefer some murderers
to hang but that`s not pc is it ) then i`m all for it Bleeding heart
liberals like yourself have done this country no favours. Teachers
are afraid of their pupils, who know every trick in the book, police
are arresting criminals only to see them get off with a "please don`t
do it again" I could go on & on about the do-gooders ruining this
country, allowing immigration to get out of control ( but you can
probably read all that in the Daily Maul) Hamish
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:40c7706c-a13e-4928...@a40g2000vbu.googlegroups.com...
>
> <yet more toys thrown out of the pram by "Hamish">
>
> news:alt.troll is that away ===>
>
> BTW Hamish, I make no apologies for reading the Daily Mail, but
> then neither do I apologies for doing like wise with the Daily
> Telegraph, the Times, the Guardian, the FT, USA Today, or even
> The Sun (or their Online versions) etc. -if I had a reason to do
> so. It's not the publication one read but what information or
> opinions one takes away -or discards- from doing so...
>
> Now were where we, oh yes, you were talking about scientific
> knowledge, its use in murder trials and the death penalty, not to
> mention the idea that some naturists want a measure of
> vigilantism do you have anything to add to your previous
> news:40c7706c-a13e-4928...@a40g2000vbu.googlegroups.com...
>
> <yet more toys thrown out of the pram by "Hamish">
>
> news:alt.troll is that away ===>
>
> BTW Hamish, I make no apologies for reading the Daily Mail, but
> then neither do I apologies for doing like wise with the Daily
> Telegraph, the Times, the Guardian, the FT, USA Today, or even
> The Sun (or their Online versions) etc. -if I had a reason to do
> so. It's not the publication one read but what information or
> opinions one takes away -or discards- from doing so...
>
> Now were where we, oh yes, you were talking about scientific
> knowledge, its use in murder trials and the death penalty, not to
> mention the idea that some naturists want a measure of
> comments or are you content to keep throwing toys around?...
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want. Again you
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
are implying that i want some sort of vigilantism in naturism ( not
that i would be entirely against it ) I can`t remember saying that, &
if i did, please repost what i said & i will apologise . I recall
agreeing with Pete Knight that naturism needs some form of policing
but that`s not vigilantism is it? And as for using scientific
knowledge to put criminals behind bars ( i would prefer some murderers
to hang but that`s not pc is it ) then i`m all for it Bleeding heart
liberals like yourself have done this country no favours. Teachers
are afraid of their pupils, who know every trick in the book, police
are arresting criminals only to see them get off with a "please don`t
do it again" I could go on & on about the do-gooders ruining this
country, allowing immigration to get out of control ( but you can
probably read all that in the Daily Maul) Hamish
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 10:04:19 AM1/8/12
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On Jan 8, 2:47 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Anyway, IMO anyone who can wish suicide on anyone is not much
> better than Candlish in some ways, it's just a different sort of
> perversion.
> --
>
> Anyway, IMO anyone who can wish suicide on anyone is not much
> better than Candlish in some ways, it's just a different sort of
> perversion.
> Regards, Jerry.
So Jerry, I`m a pervert because i couldn`t care less if Candlish
topped himself. How many times have you told people (including
Candlissh ) to " fuck off and die " I guess that makes us both
perverts
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 10:29:59 AM1/8/12
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<snip>
: They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want.
Yes and haven't we noticed, must say though, you do have a
certain /style/! :~)
<snip>
: They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want.
Yes and haven't we noticed, must say though, you do have a
certain /style/! :~)
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 10:35:57 AM1/8/12
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: So Jerry, I`m a pervert because i couldn`t care less if
and the other doesn't, but I do like your /style/ Hamish, very
"Daily Maul" - it goes off on a rant all of its own whilst
missing the real point... Are you sure you don't read the Daily
Mail?! :~)
--
Regards, Jerry.
On Jan 8, 2:47 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
wrote:
<snip>
wrote:
: > Anyway, IMO anyone who can wish suicide on anyone
: > is not much better than Candlish in some ways, it's just
: > a different sort of perversion.
:
: > is not much better than Candlish in some ways, it's just
: > a different sort of perversion.
: So Jerry, I`m a pervert because i couldn`t care less if
: Candlish topped himself. How many times have you told
: people (including Candlissh ) to " fuck off and die " I
: guess that makes us both perverts
No, it means that one of us knows what a *figure of speech* is
: people (including Candlissh ) to " fuck off and die " I
: guess that makes us both perverts
and the other doesn't, but I do like your /style/ Hamish, very
"Daily Maul" - it goes off on a rant all of its own whilst
missing the real point... Are you sure you don't read the Daily
Mail?! :~)
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 10:53:58 AM1/8/12
to
off and die " ?
Pat-h
Jan 8, 2012, 11:48:43 AM1/8/12
to
Hamish
Jan 8, 2012, 12:15:47 PM1/8/12
to
to ignore him.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 8, 2012, 12:29:20 PM1/8/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
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> snip <
> : His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being
> sentenced for
> : criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no
> real friends'.
> : Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he does.
>
> Don't mix up emotion used in court, especially the sentencing
> phase of a trial, by either the defence and prosecution, and hard
> facts.
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
>
have lots of real friends? If so where is your evidence?
--
Duncan Heenan
Andy Crawford
Jan 8, 2012, 3:10:21 PM1/8/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
Just speak for yourself please.
--
Andy
http://www.andycrawford.net/
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 3:11:50 PM1/8/12
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: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: Are you suggesting his solictor was telling lies, and that
that someone has no living family (especially if the latter live
in distinctly different area of the country), if the solicitor
had meant the latter I'm sure he would have said so as it would
have given even more weight to the point he was attempting to
make. At the age of 55 Candlish could still have a mother and/or
father alive, never mind anyone younger.
I would add that whilst in conversation with "PCMC" (at my
volition I might add, due to some of RC's more 'rabid' postings
on his group), specifically about Candlish's claim that his
sister was receiving unwanted/unordered items through the mail,
at not time was I lead to believe that there was no sister, more
than could be said about the suggested parcels.
--
Regards, Jerry.
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: news:jecad8$a0o$1...@dont-email.me...
: > snip <
:
: > : His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being
: > sentenced for
: > : criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no
: > real friends'.
: > : Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he
does.
: >
: > Don't mix up emotion used in court, especially the sentencing
: > phase of a trial, by either the defence and prosecution, and
hard
: > facts.
:
: > snip <
:
: > : His own solicitor described him in Court (when he was being
: > sentenced for
: > : criminal damage & harassment) as a 'sad, lonely man with no
: > real friends'.
: > : Little wonder he has no real friends, given the things he
does.
: >
: > Don't mix up emotion used in court, especially the sentencing
: > phase of a trial, by either the defence and prosecution, and
hard
: > facts.
: Are you suggesting his solictor was telling lies, and that
Candlish does
: have lots of real friends? If so where is your evidence?
Saying that someone has "few friends" is not the same as saying
: have lots of real friends? If so where is your evidence?
that someone has no living family (especially if the latter live
in distinctly different area of the country), if the solicitor
had meant the latter I'm sure he would have said so as it would
have given even more weight to the point he was attempting to
make. At the age of 55 Candlish could still have a mother and/or
father alive, never mind anyone younger.
I would add that whilst in conversation with "PCMC" (at my
volition I might add, due to some of RC's more 'rabid' postings
on his group), specifically about Candlish's claim that his
sister was receiving unwanted/unordered items through the mail,
at not time was I lead to believe that there was no sister, more
than could be said about the suggested parcels.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 3:19:58 PM1/8/12
to
"Andy Crawford" <web-...@andycrawford.net> wrote in message
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:
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: news:jecd5v$prk$1...@dont-email.me...
: >
: > "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
: >
news:fa96a6f3-fca5-4c07...@k5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want.
: >
: > Yes and haven't we noticed, must say though, you do have a
: > certain /style/! :~)
: >
:
: Who is this 'we'?
That is for you to wonder about and for me to know.
: >
: > "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
: >
news:fa96a6f3-fca5-4c07...@k5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want.
: >
: > Yes and haven't we noticed, must say though, you do have a
: > certain /style/! :~)
: >
:
: Who is this 'we'?
:
: Just speak for yourself please.
:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Andy, you seem to
like speaking for the world never mind England, often telling
people how they shouldn't be offended by nudity, how they should
look away etc.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 3:22:23 PM1/8/12
to
"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
:
<snip>
: on his group), specifically about
Oh my, Oops!... "...this group..."
Duncan Heenan
Jan 8, 2012, 4:34:57 PM1/8/12
to
"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
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lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please answer the question
asked rather than broadening the discussion.
--
Duncan Heenan
Jerry
Jan 8, 2012, 5:26:39 PM1/8/12
to
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<snip>
: I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
like the clear answer given.
Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might I
ask *you* why you think he has no living family? Duncan can you
please answer that question rather than broadening the
discussion...
[1] news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me
--
Regards, Jerry.
<snip>
: I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
solicitor was
: lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please answer
the question
: asked rather than broadening the discussion.
I did answer you question, sorry but I can't help it if you don't
: lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please answer
the question
: asked rather than broadening the discussion.
like the clear answer given.
Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might I
ask *you* why you think he has no living family? Duncan can you
please answer that question rather than broadening the
discussion...
[1] news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me
--
Regards, Jerry.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 2:37:56 AM1/9/12
to
"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
news:jed57s$i5i$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jed25r$6od$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> <snip>
> : I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
> solicitor was
> : lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please answer
> the question
> : asked rather than broadening the discussion.
>
> I did answer you question, sorry but I can't help it if you don't
> like the clear answer given.
You did not answer the question put; but as you've gone in to evasion mode I
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jed25r$6od$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> <snip>
> : I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
> solicitor was
> : lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please answer
> the question
> : asked rather than broadening the discussion.
>
> I did answer you question, sorry but I can't help it if you don't
> like the clear answer given.
won't bother arguing any more. As usual you've killed the conversation.
> Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
> apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
> replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
> Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might I
> ask *you* why you think he has no living family? Duncan can you
> please answer that question rather than broadening the
> discussion...
>
> [1] news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
>
said it because it is a fact.
--
Duncan Heenan
vg4cysss7001
Jan 8, 2012, 8:19:47 PM1/8/12
to
In article <794fb579-6ea4-4311...@p4g2000vbt.googlegroups
.com>, Pat-h <Pat1...@aol.com> writes
>On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I attended the latest sentencing of Robert Candlish at St. Albans Crown
>> Court on Thursday 5th January 2012.
[snip]
>> --
>> Duncan Heenan
>
>Thanks for the report Duncan.
Why did you feel that it was necessary to quote it in its
entirety?
>
[snip]
--
Misha
Free on-line, off-site backups?
<https://mozy.com/?ref=UK45Y5>
.com>, Pat-h <Pat1...@aol.com> writes
>On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I attended the latest sentencing of Robert Candlish at St. Albans Crown
>> Court on Thursday 5th January 2012.
[snip]
>> --
>> Duncan Heenan
>
>Thanks for the report Duncan.
Why did you feel that it was necessary to quote it in its
entirety?
>
[snip]
--
Misha
Free on-line, off-site backups?
<https://mozy.com/?ref=UK45Y5>
vg4cysss7001
Jan 8, 2012, 8:39:41 PM1/8/12
to
In article <9659975c-1ad5-4b59...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups
.com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
>That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is despicable he
>has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience, with
>no evidence of harm to any person,
... WRT the most recent conviction.
> although I still believe a custodial sentence in a secure institute
>where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please. They are
merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
> I admit to coming over a bit 'Daily Mail' sometimes, especially after
>reading a story of ourageous criminality, but there are too many
>stories written about people who are executed and later found to be
>innocent, unfortunately it's not currently possible to commute the
>death sentance!
>
>Anyway, back on topic, I have long felt that a representative
>organisation
There is no representative organisation of naturists.
> should police naturism, exposing the likes of RC and working with the
>authorities to stamp out unsavoury activities in the dunes.
Whilst I do not approve of them, how can you stamp out something
that is not illegal, or, if it is, is too minor to concern stretched law
enforcement agencies. I am unaware of reports of paedophilia in the
dunes, merely those of consenting adults. While I count myself amongst
an unwilling, inadvertent audience - if thine eye offends thee, pluck it
out. Something we say to those who object to public nakedness, n' est-ce
pas?
> Some effort to seperate unsavoury activities from naturism, and
>publicly acknowledge these efforts, would go a long way to making
>naturism better understood, unfortunately the only organisation best
>placed to do this prefered (Past tense!) to sweep such matters under
>the carpet and pretend it never happened, I hope that is a thing of the
>past.
.com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
>That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is despicable he
>has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience, with
>no evidence of harm to any person,
... WRT the most recent conviction.
> although I still believe a custodial sentence in a secure institute
>where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please. They are
merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
> I admit to coming over a bit 'Daily Mail' sometimes, especially after
>reading a story of ourageous criminality, but there are too many
>stories written about people who are executed and later found to be
>innocent, unfortunately it's not currently possible to commute the
>death sentance!
>
>Anyway, back on topic, I have long felt that a representative
>organisation
There is no representative organisation of naturists.
> should police naturism, exposing the likes of RC and working with the
>authorities to stamp out unsavoury activities in the dunes.
Whilst I do not approve of them, how can you stamp out something
that is not illegal, or, if it is, is too minor to concern stretched law
enforcement agencies. I am unaware of reports of paedophilia in the
dunes, merely those of consenting adults. While I count myself amongst
an unwilling, inadvertent audience - if thine eye offends thee, pluck it
out. Something we say to those who object to public nakedness, n' est-ce
pas?
> Some effort to seperate unsavoury activities from naturism, and
>publicly acknowledge these efforts, would go a long way to making
>naturism better understood, unfortunately the only organisation best
>placed to do this prefered (Past tense!) to sweep such matters under
>the carpet and pretend it never happened, I hope that is a thing of the
>past.
vg4cysss7001
Jan 8, 2012, 8:44:30 PM1/8/12
to
In article <5f7b0113-b049-40d2...@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups
.com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk" <editor@naturist-life-
magazine.co.uk> writes
>On Jan 7, 2:43 pm, The Pete Knight <peteknig...@googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale (and lower
>levels). To have those photographs a child would have been seriously
>harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then there
>would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
>Suzanne
I think that you are putting the cart before the horse.
(Although I thought that level 5, according to a recent post, involved
zoophilia.) Some people will produce 'such material'. Trading it is
secondary, IMO, and not the motivation for producing it.
.com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk" <editor@naturist-life-
magazine.co.uk> writes
>On Jan 7, 2:43 pm, The Pete Knight <peteknig...@googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>> That's probably taking it a bit too far, whilst RC is despicable he
>> has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience,
>> with no evidence of harm to any person, although I still believe a
>> has, as far as we know, only been an irritation, an inconvenience,
>> custodial sentence in a secure institute where he can recive
>> appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
>
>>
>> Pete
>> appropriate treatment would have been preferable.
>
>>
>
>I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale (and lower
>levels). To have those photographs a child would have been seriously
>harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then there
>would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be avoided.
>Suzanne
I think that you are putting the cart before the horse.
(Although I thought that level 5, according to a recent post, involved
zoophilia.) Some people will produce 'such material'. Trading it is
secondary, IMO, and not the motivation for producing it.
vg4cysss7001
Jan 8, 2012, 8:49:01 PM1/8/12
to
In article <fd5f4889-0bd3-4cbb...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups
><edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I still have to disagree with you on this. Whilst he may not (as far
>> as we are aware) been involved in the actual abuse he is most
>> definitely complicit. Conspiracy could be another word.
>> Suzanne
>
>I agree. The networking and sharing can only help such people.
>By being part of that he was actively supporting those acts.
>
But, surely, conspiracy has to occur _before_ an act is
committed, which I hardly think applies in this scenario.
.com>, Pat-h <Pat1...@aol.com> writes
>On Jan 7, 3:58 pm, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
><edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I still have to disagree with you on this. Whilst he may not (as far
>> as we are aware) been involved in the actual abuse he is most
>> definitely complicit. Conspiracy could be another word.
>> Suzanne
>
>I agree. The networking and sharing can only help such people.
>By being part of that he was actively supporting those acts.
>
But, surely, conspiracy has to occur _before_ an act is
committed, which I hardly think applies in this scenario.
vg4cysss7001
Jan 8, 2012, 9:01:30 PM1/8/12
to
In article <9adef534-5c4f-4e08...@s18g2000vby.googlegroup
s.com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk" <editor@naturist-life-
magazine.co.uk> writes
>One problem was that even in court he was openly sporting his naturist
>'credentials' in the form of a BN badge.
Not a problem IMO. Many people sport the famous Che Guevara
image without a clue about his politics. ISTR a boutique with that name,
even. The pinnacle of irony?
s.com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk" <editor@naturist-life-
magazine.co.uk> writes
>One problem was that even in court he was openly sporting his naturist
>'credentials' in the form of a BN badge.
Not a problem IMO. Many people sport the famous Che Guevara
image without a clue about his politics. ISTR a boutique with that name,
even. The pinnacle of irony?
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 4:12:37 AM1/9/12
to
"vg4cysss7001" <127@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:AbFxSUZ+...@spam.filter...
: In article
<5f7b0113-b049-40d2...@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups
: .com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
<editor@naturist-life-
: magazine.co.uk> writes
<snip>
: .com>, "edi...@naturist-life-magazine.co.uk"
<editor@naturist-life-
: magazine.co.uk> writes
: >
: >I disagree Pete. He has material on lvl 5 Copine scale (and
lower
: >levels). To have those photographs a child would have been
seriously
: >harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then
there
: >would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be
avoided.
:
: >levels). To have those photographs a child would have been
seriously
: >harmed. If there were not people wanting such material then
there
: >would be no trade in it and thus some child abuse may be
avoided.
: I think that you are putting the cart before the horse.
(Although I
: thought that level 5, according to a recent post, involved
zoophilia.)
COPIN level five is indeed "sadomasochism *and/or* bestiality
: thought that level 5, according to a recent post, involved
zoophilia.)
involving children - no distinction being made between sexual
contact, non-penetration or penetration (unlike with the other
four levels).
Judging from the charges and the reports of the judges comments
at sentencing it would seem to suggest the child abuse images are
separate to the "Extreme Pornography" images. But then who knows
what depravity RC's might have sunk too.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 4:15:46 AM1/9/12
to
"vg4cysss7001" <127@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
: In article
<9659975c-1ad5-4b59...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups
: .com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
<snip>
: .com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
:
: > although I still believe a custodial sentence in a secure
institute
: >where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been
preferable.
:
: Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
: they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please.
They are
: merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
Whilst Misha's citation for the above (opinion) is were?...
: >where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been
preferable.
:
: Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
: they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please.
They are
: merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 4:29:52 AM1/9/12
to
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: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
can't understand that then the problem is yours and not mine. As
I said, lawyers chose their words very carefully, I have no doubt
in saying that if either the defence, prosecution, probation
services or judge had meant "family" instead of /friends/ they
would have used that word.
:
: > Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
:
: I did not say he has no living family. I said he has no wife or
conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a mother
either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
--
Regards, Jerry.
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: news:jed57s$i5i$1...@dont-email.me...
: >
: > "Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
: > news:jed25r$6od$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
: > solicitor was
: > : lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please
answer
: > the question
: > : asked rather than broadening the discussion.
: >
: > I did answer you question, sorry but I can't help it if you
don't
: > like the clear answer given.
:
: You did not answer the question put; but as you've gone in to
evasion mode I
: won't bother arguing any more. As usual you've killed the
conversation.
Yes I did, -the fact is- your 'question' is irrelevant and if you
: >
: > "Duncan Heenan" <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
: > news:jed25r$6od$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
: >
: > <snip>
: > : I was asking you a question as to whether you thought his
: > solicitor was
: > : lying about friends. He did not mention family. Please
answer
: > the question
: > : asked rather than broadening the discussion.
: >
: > I did answer you question, sorry but I can't help it if you
don't
: > like the clear answer given.
:
: You did not answer the question put; but as you've gone in to
evasion mode I
: won't bother arguing any more. As usual you've killed the
conversation.
can't understand that then the problem is yours and not mine. As
I said, lawyers chose their words very carefully, I have no doubt
in saying that if either the defence, prosecution, probation
services or judge had meant "family" instead of /friends/ they
would have used that word.
:
: > Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
: > apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
: > replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
: > Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might
I
: > ask *you* why you think he has no living family? Duncan can
you
: > please answer that question rather than broadening the
: > discussion...
: >
: > [1] news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me
: >
: > replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
: > Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might
I
: > ask *you* why you think he has no living family? Duncan can
you
: > please answer that question rather than broadening the
: > discussion...
: >
: > [1] news:je9sh0$akc$1...@dont-email.me
:
: I did not say he has no living family. I said he has no wife or
children. I
: said it because it is a fact.
Oh right so he was not only the product of an immaculate
: said it because it is a fact.
conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a mother
either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 9, 2012, 5:14:05 AM1/9/12
to
On Jan 9, 9:29 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
snip
> :
> : > Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
> : > apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
> : > replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
> : > Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might
I don`t recall wishing Candlish to commit suicide Jerry. I think i
said " i would have no regrets " & i wouldn`t. Hamish
snip
> :
> : > Anyway as it is you are the one who brought up Candlish's
> : > apparent lack of 'friends', my post (the one you originally
> : > replied to [1]) was in reply to Hamish's apparent wish for
> : > Candlish to commit suicide, it was about his family, so might
said " i would have no regrets " & i wouldn`t. Hamish
Pat-h
Jan 9, 2012, 6:09:20 AM1/9/12
to
On Jan 9, 9:29 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:jee5gf$c3n$1...@speranza.aioe.org...: "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
>
> :news:jed57s$i5i$1...@dont-email.me...
> : >
> : > "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
legal process of extracting the monies he owed to us revealed his
mother owned the flat he lives in. If she'd passed away I imagine he'd
inherit it and therefore have some value to meet his financial
obligations.
And I have heard mention of a sister and other family members.
But none are local and I don't imagine any read these groups so most
likely only have his version of events to go by.
In which case they are probably very suipprtibe of him and his ongoing
struggle against the cruel world.
Do you really imagine they have any idea of the truth when even he
doesn't?
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 6:24:27 AM1/9/12
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: I don`t recall wishing Candlish to commit suicide Jerry.
said (in message;
news:f5e1a2a7-90b9-4e80...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com),
and here I quote;
"I did wonder, after he was found guilty, that the shame
of family, neighbours, & "friends" finding out he was a
paedopghile, might drive him to top himself. Sadly it
seems he`s too arrogant to do the world such a favour"
The above is a LOT stronger than just having just no "regrets",
if you are "sad" that he doesn't, and you believe he is "too
arrogant" to, commit suicide then you are wishing him dead and
how that should come about.
--
Regards, Jerry.
: I don`t recall wishing Candlish to commit suicide Jerry.
: I think i said " i would have no regrets " & i wouldn`t.
Then Hamish you must have the memory of a gold fish, as you also
said (in message;
news:f5e1a2a7-90b9-4e80...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com),
and here I quote;
"I did wonder, after he was found guilty, that the shame
of family, neighbours, & "friends" finding out he was a
paedopghile, might drive him to top himself. Sadly it
seems he`s too arrogant to do the world such a favour"
The above is a LOT stronger than just having just no "regrets",
if you are "sad" that he doesn't, and you believe he is "too
arrogant" to, commit suicide then you are wishing him dead and
how that should come about.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 6:24:59 AM1/9/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
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> snip <
> : I did not say he has no living family. I said he has no wife or
> children. I
> : said it because it is a fact.
>
> Oh right so he was not only the product of an immaculate
> conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a mother
> either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
>
You've done it again, Jerry. I said nothing about family beyond a wife and
> children. I
> : said it because it is a fact.
>
> Oh right so he was not only the product of an immaculate
> conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a mother
> either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
> --
> Regards, Jerry.
>
children (which he does not have). Frankly I don't care, and if he does have
any other family I can only sympathise with them as they must be as
embarrassed as hell to be related to him.
However, I would have thought that even you would know that if your parents
are dead, it is not a sign of an immaculate conception. 'Has', does not mean
'had'. Think about it Jerry before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
I am not going to argue this any further, as you're going deeper in to
'Jerry' mode, which makes discussion pointless.
--
Duncan Heenan
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 6:27:12 AM1/9/12
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--
Duncan Heenan
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 6:29:59 AM1/9/12
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merely doing a 'Jerry' on him by saying he really meant what you'd prefer
him to say rather than what he actually said. Leave it alone Jerry - it
doesn't matter.
--
Duncan Heenan
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 6:34:32 AM1/9/12
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<snip>
: Only in Jerryworld.
Only in Dunces world.... _^_ ...if the cap fits Duncan...
<snip>
: Only in Jerryworld.
Only in Dunces world.... _^_ ...if the cap fits Duncan...
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 6:37:16 AM1/9/12
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: "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
:
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<snip>
:
: >I don`t recall wishing Candlish to commit suicide Jerry. I
: And I doubt if you'd be alone in that, Hamish.
That says far more about you as a people than it does Mr
Candlish, he is mentally ill, what are your excuses?...
--
Regards, Jerry.
: "Hamish" <asti...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
:
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<snip>
:
: >I don`t recall wishing Candlish to commit suicide Jerry. I
think i
: >said " i would have no regrets " & i wouldn`t.
:
: >said " i would have no regrets " & i wouldn`t.
: And I doubt if you'd be alone in that, Hamish.
That says far more about you as a people than it does Mr
Candlish, he is mentally ill, what are your excuses?...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 6:56:24 AM1/9/12
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<snipped for brevity>
: But none are local and I don't imagine any
: read these groups so most likely only have
: his version of events to go by.
: In which case they [any surviving family] are
: his version of events to go by.
: probably very suipprtibe of him and his ongoing
: struggle against the cruel world.
Your point being what, exactly, even more so if you are saying
: struggle against the cruel world.
that if anything happens to RC they might not even know why?...
How would you feel if one of your own children or siblings killed
themselves and you either had no prior idea of the turmoil in
their lives, or worst still never know of the reasons, that lead
to the act.
: Do you really imagine they have any idea of the truth
: when even he doesn't?
Quite possibly, as is normal with mental health patients, and if
there is a sister (plus her children that RC talked about on this
group) I strongly suspect that the child protection
services/police have already had a quite chat with her/them.
--
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 7:02:23 AM1/9/12
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: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: You've done it again, Jerry. I said nothing about family beyond
But I did (way up) and that was what you were replying to. So
yes, /YOU/ are doing it again...
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
: news:jeecql$1n0$3...@dont-email.me...
: > snip <
: > : I did not say he has no living family. I said he has no
wife or
: > children. I
: > : said it because it is a fact.
: >
: > Oh right so he was not only the product of an immaculate
: > conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a
mother
: > either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
:
: > snip <
: > : I did not say he has no living family. I said he has no
wife or
: > children. I
: > : said it because it is a fact.
: >
: > Oh right so he was not only the product of an immaculate
: > conception, he appears -according to you- not to have a
mother
: > either... Never mind any siblings or cousins etc.
: You've done it again, Jerry. I said nothing about family beyond
a wife and
: children (which he does not have).
<snip the rest of your rant>
: children (which he does not have).
But I did (way up) and that was what you were replying to. So
yes, /YOU/ are doing it again...
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 7:34:37 AM1/9/12
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: What Hamish said is clear to me; and I think you are
idiot vigilantes decide to 'deal with the Perv' themselves, the
police might just take the opinion that (the direct quote of)
what Hamish said is an incitement. So Duncan, what is said and
more important, how things are said, do matter, on Usenet, just
as they would if said in a pub, street or workplace...
--
Regards, Jerry.
: What Hamish said is clear to me; and I think you are
: merely doing a 'Jerry' on him by saying he really meant what
you'd prefer
: him to say rather than what he actually said. Leave it alone
Jerry - it
: doesn't matter.
I would add that should anything untoward happen RC, should some
you'd prefer
: him to say rather than what he actually said. Leave it alone
Jerry - it
: doesn't matter.
idiot vigilantes decide to 'deal with the Perv' themselves, the
police might just take the opinion that (the direct quote of)
what Hamish said is an incitement. So Duncan, what is said and
more important, how things are said, do matter, on Usenet, just
as they would if said in a pub, street or workplace...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Pat-h
Jan 9, 2012, 9:24:12 AM1/9/12
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On Jan 9, 12:34 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
Well I can confirm that when the subject of this topic posted lies and
all my details on line the police weren't prepared to consider that an
incitement to others to take the law into their own hands.
And he posted far more serious claims than anything in this topic.
So based on that I'd say nothing here would be considered even close
to an offence.
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
all my details on line the police weren't prepared to consider that an
incitement to others to take the law into their own hands.
And he posted far more serious claims than anything in this topic.
So based on that I'd say nothing here would be considered even close
to an offence.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 11:04:24 AM1/9/12
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: > I would add that should anything untoward happen RC,
: Well I can confirm that when the subject of this topic posted
you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: And he posted far more serious claims than anything in this
: topic.
I would hate to know what is worse than someone ending up dead...
: So based on that I'd say nothing here would be considered even
: close to an offence.
That would be, again forgive me if I'm wrong, why the police
charged RC with harassment against you and your family then, a
charge you allowed to be dropped IIRC, even investigating
comments made on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
--
Regards, Jerry.
On Jan 9, 12:34 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
wrote:
<snip>
wrote:
: > I would add that should anything untoward happen RC,
: > should some idiot vigilantes decide to 'deal with the Perv'
: > themselves, the police might just take the opinion that
: > (the direct quote of) what Hamish said is an incitement.
:
: > themselves, the police might just take the opinion that
: > (the direct quote of) what Hamish said is an incitement.
: Well I can confirm that when the subject of this topic posted
: lies and all my details on line the police weren't prepared to
: consider that an incitement to others to take the law into
: their own hands.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you are still very much alive (were
: consider that an incitement to others to take the law into
: their own hands.
you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: And he posted far more serious claims than anything in this
: topic.
I would hate to know what is worse than someone ending up dead...
: So based on that I'd say nothing here would be considered even
: close to an offence.
That would be, again forgive me if I'm wrong, why the police
charged RC with harassment against you and your family then, a
charge you allowed to be dropped IIRC, even investigating
comments made on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
--
Regards, Jerry.
Hamish
Jan 9, 2012, 11:13:15 AM1/9/12
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On Jan 9, 4:04 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
snip
snip
> I would hate to know what is worse than someone ending up dead...
> Regards, Jerry.
Living next door to Jerry, or Abu Hamza ?
Andy Crawford
Jan 9, 2012, 11:34:59 AM1/9/12
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"Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
>
> "Andy Crawford" <web-...@andycrawford.net> wrote in message
> news:ject7a$vln$1...@dont-email.me...
> :
> : "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
> : news:jecd5v$prk$1...@dont-email.me...
> : >
> news:fa96a6f3-fca5-4c07...@k5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> : >
> : > <snip>
> : > : They`re my toys Jerry, so i`ll throw them wherever i want.
> : >
> : > Yes and haven't we noticed, must say though, you do have a
> : > certain /style/! :~)
> : >
> :
> : Who is this 'we'?
>
> That is for you to wonder about and for me to know.
>
> :
> : Just speak for yourself please.
> :
>
> Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Andy, you seem to
> like speaking for the world never mind England, often telling
> people how they shouldn't be offended by nudity, how they should
> look away etc.
I may have strong opinions but I tend to be very careful when it comes to
being perceived as being a self-appointed spokesman. It's not a role I wish
to imply that I have or even want. Your own position on this may differ.
But interestingly I note that once again you have read something which makes
you feel uncomfortable, so you retort with a personal or 'ad hominem' attack
to try to rubbish the author, rather than acknowledging the issue. This was
one of Candlish's online games. Your similarity in this respect is noted.
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 11:52:30 AM1/9/12
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Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 11:39:20 AM1/9/12
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:
<snip most of the usual parachuted in trolling>
:
: I may have strong opinions but I tend to be very careful when
:
<snip most of the usual parachuted in trolling>
:
: I may have strong opinions but I tend to be very careful when
it comes to
: being perceived as being a self-appointed spokesman.
Yeah, and pigs fly!
: being perceived as being a self-appointed spokesman.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 11:52:15 AM1/9/12
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<snipped>
Hamish, is there any truth that your wife is called Genie and
that she came into your life whilst you were trying to polish
your best buttons, then when she asked you if there was anything
you wished for you turned to her and said "I do wish I had some
better metal polish"...
<snipped>
Hamish, is there any truth that your wife is called Genie and
that she came into your life whilst you were trying to polish
your best buttons, then when she asked you if there was anything
you wished for you turned to her and said "I do wish I had some
better metal polish"...
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 11:56:14 AM1/9/12
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>snip<
--
> Regards, Jerry.
>
Of coirse you are wrong Jerry. You are talking about Candlsih's attacks on
property, which the police did take seriously (eventually); PH was talking
about Candlish's 'incitement' of hatred against him and his family by the
repetition of totally false allegations.
Stop digging Jerry.
--
Duncan Heenan
> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you are still very much alive (were
> you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
> me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
> property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
>snip<
> you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
> me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
> property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
--
> Regards, Jerry.
>
Of coirse you are wrong Jerry. You are talking about Candlsih's attacks on
property, which the police did take seriously (eventually); PH was talking
about Candlish's 'incitement' of hatred against him and his family by the
repetition of totally false allegations.
Stop digging Jerry.
--
Duncan Heenan
Hamish
Jan 9, 2012, 12:19:30 PM1/9/12
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On Jan 9, 4:52 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
You seem to have an obsession with Brasso Jerry. Not sniffing it are
we? Hamish
> "Hamish" <astie...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
we? Hamish
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 12:45:04 PM1/9/12
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: >snip<
: Of coirse you are wrong Jerry. You are talking about Candlsih's
out...
For the benefit of those on poor news servers, here it is again;
<quote news:jef36n$vn3$1...@dont-email.me>
: Stop digging Jerry.
Advice you would be well advised to take yourself, because your
very own account backs up my own comments and which you claim I
am wrong in suggesting...
So Duncan, are you now saying that you didn't write and post the
following account (below) of Candlish's trial (March of last
year) to URN and also email it to others direct, no doubt if
Google were to be consulted your original message to URN, and the
follow-up comments, could be found, if you really still can't
recall posting this;
<quote [my emphases]>
On Monday 14th March 2011, I attended the trial of
Robert Anthony Candlish, by sitting in the public
gallery at Hertford Magistrates Court. The proceedings
were delayed starting as a plea bargain was struck
immediately before the trial was due to start.
[emphases]
Candlish was accused of 8 counts of Criminal Damage
to property belonging to named members of Cambridge
Outdoor Club; of Obstructing a police officer; and of
Criminal Harassment of named members of Cambridge
Outdoor Club.
Initially Candlish had pleaded Not Guilty to all charges,
but in the plea bargaining, he changed his plea to Guilty
on the 8 charges of Criminal Damage, and Obstructing a
police Officer (he had lied to the police during their
investigation), in exchange for the Harassment charges
being dropped. The victims of the alleged harassment
agreed with the Crown Prosecution Service to do this
(though they had a very strong case), principally to save
the family further trauma and publicity by having to give
evidence in open Court about events which have already
caused them great fear and distress for a considerable time.
[/emphases]
The magistrates deferred sentencing until another Court
appearance scheduled for 6th April 2011 at Hertford
Magistrates Court, in order for them to receive "All Officers
Reports". Previous convictions were mentioned, but no
details were given in Court.
Candlish was released on conditional bail. The principle
bail conditions were that Candlish must have no contact
with anyone in the victims' family, must not go to the road
in which they live, he must not mention them in any
publication or internet forum, he must not contact nor
mention any members of Cambridge Outdoor Club, nor
the Club itself; and he must not do any of this under his
own name or under any alias.
(He had similar bail conditions pending this trial, but he
had already breached them more than once).
There were several 'interested observers' in the public
gallery, none of whom were there to support Candlish.
Candlish attended alone, except for his legal aid lawyer.
It would not be appropriate for me to comment further at this
stage, and though, as a Decided Case, this is now a matter of
public record, I would suggest that it is best if others on
URN stay away from it until after sentencing on 6th April.
I am not sure whether I shall attend that hearing, but I
expect someone will notify this group and other interested
parties of the outcome.
</quote>
: >snip<
: > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you are still very much alive
(were
: > you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again
forgive
: > me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to
your
: > property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: >snip<
: >
(were
: > you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again
forgive
: > me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to
your
: > property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: >snip<
: Of coirse you are wrong Jerry. You are talking about Candlsih's
attacks on
: property, which the police did take seriously (eventually); PH
was talking
: about Candlish's 'incitement' of hatred against him and his
family by the
: repetition of totally false allegations.
Which I mentioned in the part you, no doubt, conveniently edited
: property, which the police did take seriously (eventually); PH
was talking
: about Candlish's 'incitement' of hatred against him and his
family by the
: repetition of totally false allegations.
out...
For the benefit of those on poor news servers, here it is again;
<quote news:jef36n$vn3$1...@dont-email.me>
That would be, again forgive me if I'm wrong, why
the police charged RC with harassment against you
[PH] and your family then, a charge you allowed to
the police charged RC with harassment against you
be dropped IIRC, even investigating comments made
on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
</quote>
on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
: Stop digging Jerry.
Advice you would be well advised to take yourself, because your
very own account backs up my own comments and which you claim I
am wrong in suggesting...
So Duncan, are you now saying that you didn't write and post the
following account (below) of Candlish's trial (March of last
year) to URN and also email it to others direct, no doubt if
Google were to be consulted your original message to URN, and the
follow-up comments, could be found, if you really still can't
recall posting this;
<quote [my emphases]>
On Monday 14th March 2011, I attended the trial of
Robert Anthony Candlish, by sitting in the public
gallery at Hertford Magistrates Court. The proceedings
were delayed starting as a plea bargain was struck
immediately before the trial was due to start.
[emphases]
Candlish was accused of 8 counts of Criminal Damage
to property belonging to named members of Cambridge
Outdoor Club; of Obstructing a police officer; and of
Criminal Harassment of named members of Cambridge
Outdoor Club.
Initially Candlish had pleaded Not Guilty to all charges,
but in the plea bargaining, he changed his plea to Guilty
on the 8 charges of Criminal Damage, and Obstructing a
police Officer (he had lied to the police during their
investigation), in exchange for the Harassment charges
being dropped. The victims of the alleged harassment
agreed with the Crown Prosecution Service to do this
(though they had a very strong case), principally to save
the family further trauma and publicity by having to give
evidence in open Court about events which have already
caused them great fear and distress for a considerable time.
[/emphases]
The magistrates deferred sentencing until another Court
appearance scheduled for 6th April 2011 at Hertford
Magistrates Court, in order for them to receive "All Officers
Reports". Previous convictions were mentioned, but no
details were given in Court.
Candlish was released on conditional bail. The principle
bail conditions were that Candlish must have no contact
with anyone in the victims' family, must not go to the road
in which they live, he must not mention them in any
publication or internet forum, he must not contact nor
mention any members of Cambridge Outdoor Club, nor
the Club itself; and he must not do any of this under his
own name or under any alias.
(He had similar bail conditions pending this trial, but he
had already breached them more than once).
There were several 'interested observers' in the public
gallery, none of whom were there to support Candlish.
Candlish attended alone, except for his legal aid lawyer.
It would not be appropriate for me to comment further at this
stage, and though, as a Decided Case, this is now a matter of
public record, I would suggest that it is best if others on
URN stay away from it until after sentencing on 6th April.
I am not sure whether I shall attend that hearing, but I
expect someone will notify this group and other interested
parties of the outcome.
</quote>
Duncan Heenan
Jan 9, 2012, 2:18:24 PM1/9/12
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>snip irrelevancies <
Harassment is different to Incitement. The harassment was directly by
Candlish against the H family. Incitement would be aimed at third parties to
motivate them to attack the H family. That's why Candlish was charged with
Harassment, not Incitement.
But you wouldn't understand that, Jerry, because you don't want to. So I
shan't waste my time trying to argue it with you any further.
--
Duncan Heenan
Pat-h
Jan 9, 2012, 3:55:24 PM1/9/12
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On Jan 9, 7:18 pm, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
Thank you Duncan that was exactly the case.
I'm sure Jerry understood the difference.
No idea why that them needed the follow up meanderings.
But there's a record of strange posts here do no surprises.
> "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
I'm sure Jerry understood the difference.
No idea why that them needed the follow up meanderings.
But there's a record of strange posts here do no surprises.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 4:13:32 PM1/9/12
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<snipped>
: You seem to have an obsession with Brasso Jerry.
<snipped>
: You seem to have an obsession with Brasso Jerry.
: Not sniffing it are we?
Unlike you, no, I use my 'Brasso' for it's intended purpose...
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 4:35:40 PM1/9/12
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On Jan 9, 12:34 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.INVALID>
wrote:
<snip>
wrote:
: > I would add that should anything untoward happen RC,
: > should some idiot vigilantes decide to 'deal with the Perv'
: > themselves, the police might just take the opinion that
: > (the direct quote of) what Hamish said is an incitement.
:
: > themselves, the police might just take the opinion that
: > (the direct quote of) what Hamish said is an incitement.
: Well I can confirm that when the subject of this topic posted
: lies and all my details on line the police weren't prepared to
: consider that an incitement to others to take the law into
: their own hands.
: consider that an incitement to others to take the law into
: their own hands.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you are still very much alive (were
you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: And he posted far more serious claims than anything in this
you were ever actually physically attacked?), and again forgive
me if I'm wrong, but the police *did* take the vandalism to your
property and (eventually) the harassment seriously...
: topic.
I would hate to know what is worse than someone ending up dead...
: close to an offence.
That would be, again forgive me if I'm wrong, why the police
charge you allowed to be dropped IIRC, even investigating
comments made on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
--
comments made on Usenet and URN, and why the courts ultimately
band RC from accessing Usenet...
Regards, Jerry.
Jerry
Jan 9, 2012, 6:40:00 PM1/9/12
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: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
No I don't suppose you do...
You really are a clueless troll at times Heenan, care to point
out (citation with message headers please) were I said any of
what you imply I have said, of course you can't as you know full
well that I never said any of it.
In any case it would have been a tad difficult for the police to
charge Candlish with Incitement in mid to late 2010 even if he
had incited others, as the law hasn't existed in English law
since Oct 2008 - unless we are talking of historic crimes but
even then...
But you wouldn't understand that, Duncan, because you don't want
to
: "Jerry" <mapson...@btinternet.INVALID> wrote in message
You really are a clueless troll at times Heenan, care to point
out (citation with message headers please) were I said any of
what you imply I have said, of course you can't as you know full
well that I never said any of it.
In any case it would have been a tad difficult for the police to
charge Candlish with Incitement in mid to late 2010 even if he
had incited others, as the law hasn't existed in English law
since Oct 2008 - unless we are talking of historic crimes but
even then...
But you wouldn't understand that, Duncan, because you don't want
to
Mr Mungus
Jan 9, 2012, 6:53:25 PM1/9/12
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Just a quick question.
Was Rob the guy who used to post here as Tone and if not what became of him / who was he.
It always seemed to me they where very similar I.e. Idiots.
MM
Duncan Heenan
Jan 10, 2012, 2:21:07 AM1/10/12
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"Mr Mungus" <N...@here.com> wrote in message
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Anthony. Candlish has used a number of identities in the past, the most
common and recent being Uhgrad and Rebustion. He switched to using his real
name when he was unmasked on URN, but still turned up occasionally under
other manes used short-term. He has also stolen some other real people's
names and made posts, when he has been annoyed by them, such as Pete Knight
and myself; in doing so he was quite good at mimicking others' style too.
As you say, an idiot; but not a harmless one unfortunately; and he's still
on the loose.
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Duncan Heenan
Mr Mungus
Jan 10, 2012, 3:27:45 AM1/10/12
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mm
vg4cysss7001
Jan 10, 2012, 6:52:18 AM1/10/12
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In article <jeecql$1n0$2...@dont-email.me>, Jerry <mapson.scarts@btinternet
.INVALID> writes
>
>"vg4cysss7001" <127@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:UrN0e2Yd...@spam.filter...
>: In article
><9659975c-1ad5-4b59...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups
>: .com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
>
><snip>
>:
>: > although I still believe a custodial sentence in a secure
>institute
>: >where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been
>preferable.
>:
>: Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
>: they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please.
>They are
>: merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
>
>Whilst Misha's citation for the above (opinion) is were?...
A question is inappropriate as an answer to a question. So I
guess you have no appropriate answer.
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.INVALID> writes
>
>"vg4cysss7001" <127@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:UrN0e2Yd...@spam.filter...
>: In article
><9659975c-1ad5-4b59...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups
>: .com>, The Pete Knight <petek...@googlemail.com> writes
>
><snip>
>:
>: > although I still believe a custodial sentence in a secure
>institute
>: >where he can recive appropriate treatment would have been
>preferable.
>:
>: Have you any knowledge of how pathetic such treatments are, if
>: they are actually available at all? If so, citation, please.
>They are
>: merely in place for the bean-counters and media.
>
>Whilst Misha's citation for the above (opinion) is were?...
A question is inappropriate as an answer to a question. So I
guess you have no appropriate answer.
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