naturist massage query
alistair gordon
naturist but NON SEXUAL massage at my home in N.London but the only adverts
i see are from people wanting to give me "extras".
The reason why i want a female is simply because i would feel too
uncomfortable being massaged by a man.
If anyone has found such a person i would be pleased to be given
details so that i could contact her.
The naturist massage need not involve her being naked as well as
me.Alistair.
David Looser
news:nEoQi.8639$lV4....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
I get twitchy when I hear people talk about "naturist" massage as it implies
that being massaged as nature intended is something for naturists only. In
the majority of the massages I do these days the clients are naked, but I
wouldn't dream of calling it "naturist" massage, a sure-fire way of putting
people off IMO.
As it happens this subject came up at a massage workshop I was teaching
yesterday, because the method I was teaching is performed with the client
naked. One lady expressed her reluctance to allow male clients to be naked
because, she felt, that meant they were wanting "extras".
If the people you see adverts from are offering "extras" you're looking in
the wrong place. Look instead for legit massage therapists, there's bound to
be plenty about in N London, and then broach the question of how they'd feel
about you being naked. If you can assure them that you are not looking for
"extras" I'm sure you'll find someone who will oblige.
David.
A Lurker
think Alistair is looking for a massage from a lady who is naked, not
(just) that he wishes to be massaged whilst naked.
There used to be a nude massage place in St Albans (don't know if
they're still there), who do not offer "extras" ... but as far as I'm
aware, they don't do house calls.
A Lurker
> Unless I've completely missed the point ... which is possible ... I
> think Alistair is looking for a massage from a lady who is naked, not
> (just) that he wishes to be massaged whilst naked.
>
> There used to be a nude massage place in St Albans (don't know if
> they're still there), who do not offer "extras" ... but as far as I'm
> aware, they don't do house calls.
Just found the link again ... http://www.naturistmassage.com/
"A naturist massage is practiced totally nude, the client and the
masseur or, masseuse are both naked..."
David Looser
news:13h4rnb...@corp.supernews.com...
>A Lurker wrote:
>> Unless I've completely missed the point ... which is possible ... I think
>> Alistair is looking for a massage from a lady who is naked, not (just)
>> that he wishes to be massaged whilst naked.
<quote from OP>
The naturist massage need not involve her being naked as well as
me.Alistair.
<unquote>
>>
>> There used to be a nude massage place in St Albans (don't know if they're
>> still there), who do not offer "extras" ... but as far as I'm aware, they
>> don't do house calls.
>
> Just found the link again ... http://www.naturistmassage.com/
>
> "A naturist massage is practiced totally nude, the client and the masseur
> or, masseuse are both naked..."
I've just looked at that site, and it gave me all the wrong signals with
those pictures, and isn't what Alistair was asking for. It now STM that the
real danger from using the term "naturist massage" isn't that it implies a
connection to naturism, but that it implies something sexual, which is
probably why all the adverts that alistair found were offering "extras.
So I would avoid the term "naturist massage" like the plague.
David.
A Lurker
I can't remember how I stumbled across that site in the first place, but
I have to say I've never used their services, and am never likely to ...
my initial reaction was not dissimilar to yours.
Anyway ... now I'm confused. I thought most massages involved being
naked, albeit with a towel covering your middle ... Do some require the
client to wear shorts?
Perhaps I need to try a few more massages :)
Danny Colyer
> Unless I've completely missed the point ... which is possible ... I
> think Alistair is looking for a massage from a lady who is naked, not
> (just) that he wishes to be massaged whilst naked.
I read:
>>> The naturist massage need not involve her being naked as well as
>>>me.Alistair.
as meaning otherwise.
--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis
alanba...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Yeah matey and I was not born yesterday either. Well we all have to
get our kicks somehow dont we.
David Looser
>
> Anyway ... now I'm confused. I thought most massages involved being naked,
> albeit with a towel covering your middle ... Do some require the client to
> wear shorts?
>
Most basic massage training here in the UK assumes that the client will be
wearing underpants, in addition the students are taught to keep most of the
clients body covered with a large towel with only the bit that is currently
being worked on exposed. The crotch area, the buttocks and women's breasts
are never exposed. Some female therapists will be bothered by a male client
who removes his underpants, but as I suggested earlier this is mainly
because they are afraid that this means that the client is looking for
something more than a massage. If the OP can assure his therapist that that
is not the case he will probably find one that will be OK with that.
As far as I am concerned, though, the word "naked" when applied here means
neither underwear nor towels. Most masseuses are trained to use towels and
will need a bit of convincing to do without. One issue is warmth, if the
client is completely naked the room temperature does need to be rather
higher. I still think that the OP's best bet is to book a massage with a
legit visiting masseuse (i.e.. not someone who advertises "naturist
massage") and then run the question of how she would feel about him being
naked past her after she's met him and had time to get to know him a bit. An
older experienced woman is more likely to be OK with it than a youngster
just starting out IMO.
I now do (and teach) Hawaiian massage which is performed without the large
towel - ideally without any covering of the body at all, although I give my
clients and students the option of wearing underpants or using a small
"modesty towel" if they feel too exposed without.
David.
A Lurker
> On 14/10/2007 20:11, A Lurker wrote:
>> Unless I've completely missed the point ... which is possible ... I
>> think Alistair is looking for a massage from a lady who is naked, not
>> (just) that he wishes to be massaged whilst naked.
>
> I read:
> >>> The naturist massage need not involve her being naked as well as
> >>>me.Alistair.
>
> as meaning otherwise.
>
But thanks for pointing it out.
FREECOPSIRIT
Alistair I will give you the benefit of the doubt if you do look at
the various websites (particularly the one mentioned) they do seem to
be offering other services as well. I think you are best finding a
genuine aromatherapist and may be accepting that you need to come to
her rather than her come to you. Normally aromatherapy involves you
nearing a minimum of underpants and until the lady has go to know you
that you are genuine you perhaps should keep it that way.
If after a couple of textile sessions you find that the massages are
really beneficial then broach the subject of your being naked and
judge the reaction. Rather than ask directly say for instance that
you had an all over massage on holiday and how much you better it had
been than wearing your underwear.
Another approach would be to lie face down on the couch having
stripped; she may ask you to go or put your underwear on but will
probably just carry on as normal. The therapist is probably used to
massaging females nude, some even openly say it is better. When she
finds that you are totally naked she is more likely to carry on and
say nothing. If she does simply say that this is your first time and
you thought "whole body" massage meant exactly that. Beware however
message therapies can be sexually very arousing so even if you have no
sexual intent you may find yourself with an uncontrollable and
enormous erection, fine until you have to turn over then just hope
that she's broadminded enough to understand; being in that line of
business she should be. The masseuse will certainly feel a lot safer
in her own premises rather than your home though may be willing to do
home visits when she gets to know you.
I have performed aromatherapy on my wife with both of us nude and
believe me it is one of the best turn ons out. The feel good factor
from proper massage leaves you raring to go and sex after or as part
of a massage session with your partner is often great. Massage
therapy does involve long sweeping movements and clothes definitely do
get in the way.
My first and most memorable message was in Thailand on holiday with my
wife. She spotted a shop offering oil body massages for 500 baht
(about £6.00) and in we went. I was wearing jeans and T-shirt and
rightly or wrongly had nothing under my jeans. Not really knowing
what to expect I removed the T-shirt and sat on the couch in my
jeans. The masseuse indicated that I needed to take my jeans off and
turned her back to prepare the oils. I took off the jeans and lay
stark naked face down on the couch. She was a little shocked but did
not say anything merely using a towel as a cover and massaging as
normal.
I find it hard o accept that a naturist massage where both the client
and the masseuse are nude is nothing more than a cover for other
services. They may well give you a really good massage but will
probably expect you to pay for and have sex as well. Of course there
will be a few genuine ones but the argument that having the masseuse
naked as well makes the client feel more at ease does not hold much
water. Massage is by definition hard exercise for the therapist so
they will feel more comfortable in very light clothing.
David Looser
news:1192447450.9...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> I think you are best finding a
> genuine aromatherapist and may be accepting that you need to come to
> her rather than her come to you.
A lot of massage therapists (not just aromatherapists, which means they use
essential oils added to the massage oil) operate "mobile" for the same
reason that I do ie. not having anywhere suitable at home and not wanting to
rent a room. So in somewhere like London Alistair shouldn't have any problem
finding someone who is prepared to do a home visit..
> Normally aromatherapy involves you
> nearing a minimum of underpants and until the lady has go to know you
> that you are genuine you perhaps should keep it that way.
Agreed.
> The therapist is probably used to
> massaging females nude, some even openly say it is better.
Not commonly no. Most professional female on female massage is done with
towels and underwear.
> Beware however
> message therapies can be sexually very arousing
There is sexual massage, and there is non-sexual; massage. If you are going
for the later it should *not* be arousing.
> The masseuse will certainly feel a lot safer
> in her own premises rather than your home though may be willing to do
> home visits when she gets to know you.
Generally speaking a therapist *either* works from a base, *or* works
mobile. It wouldn't make sense for a therapist with her own space to work
mobile.
> I have performed aromatherapy on my wife with both of us nude and
> believe me it is one of the best turn ons out.
That's because it was you and your wife and sex was always part of the deal
>Massage
> therapy does involve long sweeping movements
Not normally no. Neither Swedish massage (the most common here) nor
aromatherapy massage uses long sweeping movements. Hawaiian massage does,
but it is rare in the UK.
> My first and most memorable message was in Thailand on holiday with my
> wife.
That was unusaul in Thailand. Proper Thai massage is performed without oils
and on a fully-dressed client.
> I find it hard o accept that a naturist massage where both the client
> and the masseuse are nude is nothing more than a cover for other
> services. They may well give you a really good massage but will
> probably expect you to pay for and have sex as well. Of course there
> will be a few genuine ones but the argument that having the masseuse
> naked as well makes the client feel more at ease does not hold much
> water.
I agree entirely. I like working naked and do so when working on a few close
friends who are OK with it, but that is for my comfort not for them. In any
case during a massage they will have their eyes shut so they wont know, or
care, what the therapist is wearing. The claim that having the therapist
naked does something to eliminate the power inbalance between them is
poppycock.
> Massage is by definition hard exercise for the therapist
It shouldn't be, not if it's done right.
David.
FREECOPSIRIT
Alistair I will give you the benefit of the doubt if you do look at
the various websites (particularly the one mentioned) they do seem to
be offering other services as well. I think you are best finding a
genuine aromatherapist and may be accepting that you need to come to
her rather than her come to you. Normally aromatherapy involves you
nearing a minimum of underpants and until the lady has go to know you
that you are genuine you perhaps should keep it that way.
If after a couple of textile session you find that the massages are
really beneficial then broach the subject of your being naked and
judge the reaction. Rather than ask directly say for instance that
you had an all over massage on holiday and how much you better it had
been than wearing your underwear.
Another approach would be to lie face down on the couch having
stripped; she may ask you to go or put your underwear on but will
probably just carry on as normal. The therapist is probably used to
massaging females nude, some even openly say it is better. When she
finds that you are totally naked she is more likely to carry on and
say nothing. If she does simply say that this is your first and you
thought "whole body" massage meant exactly that. Beware however
message therapies can be sexually very arousing so even if you have no
sexual intent you may find yourself with an uncontrollable and
enormous erection, fine until you have to turn over then just hope
that she's broadminded enough to understand; being in that line of
business she should be. The masseuse will certainly feel a lot safer
in her own premises rather than your home though may be willing to do
home visits when she gets to know you.
I have performed aromtherapy on my wife with both of us nude and
believe me it is one of the best turn ons out. The feel good factor
from proper message leaves you raring to go and sex after or as part
of a massage session with your partner is often great. Message
therapy does involve long sweeping movements and clothes definitely do
get in the way.
My first and most memorable message was in Thailand on holdiay with my
wife. She spotted a shop offering oil body massages for 500 baht
(about £6.00) and in we went. I was wearing jeans and teeshirt and
rightly or wrongly had nothing under my jeans. Not really knowing
what to expect I removed the teeshirt and sat on the couch in my
jeans. The masseuse indicated that I needed to take my jeans off and
turned her back to prepare the oils. I took off the jeans and lay
stark naked face down on the couch. She was a little shocked but did
not say anything merely using a towel as a cover and massaging as
normal.
I find it hard o accept that a naturist maasage where both the client
and the masseuse are nude is nothing more than a cover for other
services. They may well give you a really good massage but will
probably expect you to pay for and have sex as well. Of course there
will be a few genuine ones but the argument that having the massuese
naked as well makes the client feel more at ease does not hold much
Simon
> Perhaps I need to try a few more massages :)
Simon
blondie64
David Looser
news:MFRQi.150$qv1...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> hope this more helpful than other comments here!
I doubt it, since the OP particularly said that he wanted the massage
performed *in his home*
Nor do I see how my suggestion, that he approach a legit therapist and then
ask her how she would feel about him being naked, can be regarded as
unhelpful!
David.
A Lurker
one hyperlink, not three ... and that was just as irrelevant, due to me
not reading the original post properly ;)
blondie64
"alistair gordon" <agcl...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nEoQi.8639$lV4....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturistmassageuk/?yguid=212819419
or here
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/massage-health-fitness/?yguid=212819419
or here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/docklands-turkish-baths/?yguid=212819419
David
> massage therapies can be sexually very arousing so even if you have no
> sexual intent you may find yourself with an uncontrollable and
> enormous erection, fine until you have to turn over then just hope
> that she's broadminded enough to understand; being in that line of
> business she should be.
I've changed the subject line as this quote puts the finger on the
problem of finding a benign naturist massage. We need to tackle this
subject head on, and stop pussyfooting around, and not let it stand
in
the way of a good naturist massage.
I _am_ being serious, and here we have the key factor which puts off
women from joining in with naturist massage and even more so, men.
What do you do if confronted by an erection waving in the breeze?
What
difference does it make if it happens to the masseur? What massage
message does it convey?
Somewhere in the conscious or subconscious, the sensuous gets
associated with the erotic. This is not surprising because both
activities involve a boost in seratonin, the "feel-good" hormone. For
this reason, I believe it is essential to establish the limits of any
physical activity from square one. I am not being prudish in saying
this, and body massage can and should be part of sexual activities,
but I define naturist massage in the similar way to any other
naturist
activity. How often do you see an erection in any other naturist
contexts?
Ok, we men sometimes get erections which are highly visible when
naked. Provided one is not brought about by wishful thinking or a
male
fantasy, it should go away again, but it the Old Man has become
convinced that there may be something more on offer, it may not. This
is a state which seriously detracts from sensuous naturist massage.
If
sex is on the menu, get that over with first, and then enjoy the
massage.
You don't see discussions about many practicalities involved with any
naked massage. When you're doing the back, should a man dress up or
down, or perhaps sideways? Upwards will physically stimulate the
penis
during the massage, (and I had a female "straight" masseur in London
who deliberately did this probably out of devilment) so is it better
to hang it downwards if it is long enough?
All this equaly applies to a massage done with drawers or towels, but
it is easier to ignore. There is also the dotted line past where the
masseur does not go. Conventially women's breasts are avoided, and it
is easy to stop short of the pubic area, but how short? How far do
you
go up the inside leg? What do you do if the penis is in the way of
the
next bit you want to massage? I would hope that the estabished
relationship between masseur and subject means that you can simply
move it out of the way.
There is also the drip problem. This doesn't need an erection to
happen. This is a body fluid and another source of concern. Is the
massseur responsible? Is the masseur himself dripping? Is that what
towels and drawers are really hiding, but we never talk about it?
While all the above is a bit of a worry to a female masseur, how then
will it affect a straight man? Or a gay one who is experienced with
men's bodies in other contexts? Answer these questions and you've
defined many of the inhibitions preventing the popularity of naturist
massage.
> I find it hard to accept that a naturist massage where both the client
> and the masseuse are nude is nothing more than a cover for other
> services.
Absolutely no. That is a common misconception we need to undo. Any
"offers" I have received in the past have come from clothed female
masseurs. Before you've both got your clothes off, the precise nature
of the massage should have been fully established.
David Brinicombe
blondie64
"David" <br...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:1192638138.9...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
at the 2 places I have recieved Naturist Massages I had different reactions.
At Elixir (where I have had 3 massages) although the old chap raised its
head especially after lying face down, I was able to semi control it knowing
nothing else was on offer and if it seemed I might ask for something else I
would be ask to leave - in shame. although 1 masseur did run out of
repertoir and spent the last 5 minutes on the front of my legs, which left
an erection quite firm, but it is quite apparent that the masseuers are as
stated Naturist by inclination.
At Maltings I was unable to control the erection for 2 possible reasons - 1
was issues at home that was leaving me tired & frustrated and 2 the
knowledge and eventual offer of hand relief - which I turned down - but
left me leaving room with towel firmly round my waist.
I do believe that naturist massages are possible and both parties are aware
of bodily responses being natural & acceptable.
we talk of male erections but womens nipples also become erect for no
reasons either cold or otherwise (not as often as male erections but?) or am
I clouding the issue?
Ric blondie64
David Looser
>
> we talk of male erections but womens nipples also become erect for no
> reasons either cold or otherwise (not as often as male erections but?) or
> am I clouding the issue?
>
IME erect nipples on women are not uncommon. Usually noticable when I first
turn the woman over, but then subside as the massage progresses. More likely
with some women than others, and becoming progressively less likely the more
used she becomes to being massaged naked.
It never seems to bother them, so why should it bother me?
David.
blondie64
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:5npr4rF...@mid.individual.net...
David Looser
>
>>
>> IME erect nipples on women are not uncommon. Usually noticable when I
>> first turn the woman over, but then subside as the massage progresses.
>> More likely with some women than others, and becoming progressively less
>> likely the more used she becomes to being massaged naked.
>>
>> It never seems to bother them, so why should it bother me?
>>
>> David.
>>
> same could be said of male erections in naturist circles?
>
I know little of "naturist circles" and I'm not sure what, if anything,
they have to do with massage.
Certainly erections are regarded as an occupational hazard by masseuse's.
They differ, of course, in their reaction to them, some don't mind, others
do. But how the massage is performed will make a big difference to the
likelihood of one appearing, more experienced masseuse's can generally
avoid them occurring in the first place, or encourage them to subside if
they do. A friend of mine reckons she can get rid of any erection in short
order.
Of course if she is in the business of selling expensive "extras" she will
want to encourage, rather than discourage, her clients becoming aroused.
David.
FREECOPSIRIT
> "blondie64" <richard.sulliv...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
Are we making too much of this; physiologically it is unlikely even
the most prominant of erections will stay for long and as has been
said they can come and go with the territory. It is true that women
can have erect nipples and even moistness round the groin indicating
arousal but these symptoms being less noticeable do not have the same
"taboo" as the male equivalent. A handful of ice is known to calm
most erections very quickly.
Massages whether naturist or not involve bodily contact and can be
sensual even when there is no intent; if both the masseuse and the
subject are naked then arousal is all too likely. If other services
are being offerred it is almost inevitable.
David Looser
>
> Are we making too much of this;
Too much of what?
> physiologically it is unlikely even
> the most prominant of erections will stay for long and as has been
> said they can come and go with the territory. It is true that women
> can have erect nipples and even moistness round the groin indicating
> arousal but these symptoms being less noticeable do not have the same
> "taboo" as the male equivalent.
In approximately two thousand massages performed on women I have
been aware of moistness only once, and that was a first-time client whom I
never saw again.
>
> Massages whether naturist or not involve bodily contact and can be
> sensual even when there is no intent; if both the masseuse and the
> subject are naked then arousal is all too likely.
"Sensual" need not mean "arousing", unless the massage is meant to be sexual
then it shouldn't be. But I can see no reason to advertise naked masseuses
*unless* that is the intent. If a massage is performed in a naturist
environment, with both participants naked before and after, as well as
during, the massage, then I would accept that it was "naturist massage"; but
otherwise I regard the term as inappropriate.
David.
Freddy Fox
"Simon" <Heys...@NotYahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4713e3d7$0$13931$fa0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
>A Lurker wrote:
>> Perhaps I need to try a few more massages :)
> But did you get the message ...?
I wanted to say that!(:-(
>
> Simon