Women at Rio's (Kentish Town)
Andrew Upton
Do women go to Rio's Health Spa at Kentish Town (London)?
I have only been once and it appears to me that only men tend to use
these facilities. Although there were a couple of women, they were
however, employees of the business.
For me to be really interested in going again, I would prefer there to
be a more equal balance of the sexes.
Can I be convinced to go again?
Virago Man
Andrew Upton wrote in message <358A243E...@lhr-sys.dhl.com>...
Andrew,
I have to ask the question WHY are you going. It seems to be
that your motivation is to be with the opposite sex rather than to be
enjoying simple naturist activities. Why should the balance of the sexes
make you more likely to want to go. Would you apply the same rules to having
a pint in your local ?
Virago Man
Tony Russell
Virago Man wrote in message <358a28d6.0@gull>...
>
> I have to ask the question WHY are you going. It seems to be
>that your motivation is to be with the opposite sex rather than to be
>enjoying simple naturist activities. Why should the balance of the sexes
>make you more likely to want to go. Would you apply the same rules to
having
>a pint in your local ?
>
>Virago Man
>
I have more than once asked why so few women post here. Not because I'm
hoping to "pull" but I prefer any company to be a healthy balance. This ng
does sometimes turn into boys' games.
So why assume that Andrew wants anything else? And I do prefer my local when
some of the regular women are in for the same reason as above. Some of them
don't want to talk about the football as well.
TonyR
Virago Man
Tony Russell wrote in message <6mdikt$mna$1...@soap.news.pipex.net>...
>I have more than once asked why so few women post here. Not because I'm
>hoping to "pull" but I prefer any company to be a healthy balance. This ng
>does sometimes turn into boys' games.
>
>So why assume that Andrew wants anything else? And I do prefer my local
when
>some of the regular women are in for the same reason as above. Some of them
>don't want to talk about the football as well.
I think the simple answer as to why there are less women to men, is that
they feel intimidated. The Internet and NGs have a tarnished reputation due
to alarmist reportings in the mass media. In a social group like say a pub
they can go as a group and either keep their group closed or open it up to
others. As a poster to the NG however they are to a large degree alone. I
for my sins lurked a long while before posting to the NG reading the posts
and trying to work out the "type" of PPL where posting. It was only after,
that I finally spoke out on some issues that where being discussed. Now
before I get flamed with retorts on this, let me say that this NG *IS* a
friendly place to be for both men and women, it non the less took me a long
time to work that out. I am not an active naturist but would like to
sunbathe nude if the right opportunity came up. I would not go to a club on
my own. My wife has no interest in naturism and I am not going to force the
issue with her. I do not know enough about Andy to judge his motivations. My
observation were based on my own experiences. I hope I have not offended
anybody, especially Andy, by my comments. Perhaps my view of naturism is
*too* puritanical. I just want to separate any form of sexual overtones from
the leisure activity of naturism.
Virago Man
Tony Russell
Virago Man wrote in message <358a55dc.0@gull>...
>
>
>I think the simple answer as to why there are less women to men, is that
>they feel intimidated. The Internet and NGs have a tarnished reputation due
>to alarmist reportings in the mass media. In a social group like say a pub
>they can go as a group and either keep their group closed or open it up to
>others. As a poster to the NG however they are to a large degree alone. I
>for my sins lurked a long while before posting to the NG reading the posts
>and trying to work out the "type" of PPL where posting. It was only after,
>that I finally spoke out on some issues that where being discussed. Now
>before I get flamed with retorts on this, let me say that this NG *IS* a
>friendly place to be for both men and women, it non the less took me a long
>time to work that out. I am not an active naturist but would like to
>sunbathe nude if the right opportunity came up. I would not go to a club on
>my own. My wife has no interest in naturism and I am not going to force the
>issue with her. I do not know enough about Andy to judge his motivations.
My
>observation were based on my own experiences. I hope I have not offended
>anybody, especially Andy, by my comments. Perhaps my view of naturism is
>*too* puritanical. I just want to separate any form of sexual overtones
from
>the leisure activity of naturism.
>
>Virago Man
I sympathise about the awkward position you can be in when your partner
doesn't understand. I was there for a long time.
Like you, I didn't put my naturist tendencies into action then, it was only
three years ago that I was able to do so. I'm glad I waited until I had
like-minded company.
Did you see the treatment Helen Ludbrook got here when she posted? There was
a young french lady a couple of weeks ago, Pascale, I think it was. She was
treated with courtesy. It would be lovely to find out now that Pascale was
in fact another twenty stone bearded bloke from Essex and we were all had!
I think that some of us worry too much about Adult and adult, Sex and sex.
And I think that puritanism is more dangerous than the sex industry.
Enjoyed reading your reply,
Best wishes,
TonyR
Roamer
While I have never been to Rios, I have a number of chums who have. I am
reliably informed that during couples sessions 50% of the attendees are
female. :-)
Joking apart, there are times, apparently when more ladies attend, but I
guess Andrew it's down to trial and error.
For me I used to go regularly (two or three times a week) to Candles (before
it was Candles - Cabreas Leisure back then) in Baldock. When I went I
couldn't give a hoot whether the other attendees were male or female. In
truth when single ladies did attend I was always a bit shy (bless!!) and
didn't wish to appear to be chatting them up, so I probably appeared a right
miserable b*st**d!
Andrew, just go and enjoy.
Clive
James
Is there are chance of anyone offering a sensible reply to this person's
question?
I share the same concerns about Rio's as Andrew. Is it a mixed naturist
venue, or is it a predominantly gay venue?
Andrew Upton wrote in message <358A243E...@lhr-sys.dhl.com>...
>Do women go to Rio's Health Spa at Kentish Town (London)?
>
Simon C. Allen
In article <6mf80q$102$1...@heliodor.xara.net>, James
<jam...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>Is there are chance of anyone offering a sensible reply to this person's
>question?
>
>I share the same concerns about Rio's as Andrew. Is it a mixed naturist
>venue, or is it a predominantly gay venue?
possible to say. However, since the owner also owns a dedicated Gay
Naturist Sauna, I could guess that he would suggest that gay clients go
there! From all that I have heard Rio's is straight.
Simon C. Allen
Marc& Rachel
James <jam...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> or is it a predominantly gay venue?
Well, if that was the question, why wasn't it asked?
Marc
Jantype
I have been on several occasions - Saturday night is obviously couples night -
from 7pm - s a 'safe' time to find other females... But I have never been when
there have been no other ladies apart from the delightful employees. Usually
there have been at least half a dozen, generally with partners, but some coming
alone.
They are treated with courtesy and respect, although it is interestign to note
the way a particular sauna or jacussi suddenly becomes popular when a lady
enters it!
Jan
Richard Burnham
In article <6mdqku$19a$1...@soap.news.pipex.net>, Tony Russell
<t.ru...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Did you see the treatment Helen Ludbrook got here when she posted?
You are being totally dishonest again here, Tony.
Helen was criticised as the editor of a magazine that has taken an
explicitly laddish,sex-oriented, male-biased attitude to naturism, in
order to make lots of sales.
Not as a woman.
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Richard Burnham
In article <358a28d6.0@gull>, Virago Man <Vira...@hotmail.com> writes
>
>Andrew,
> I have to ask the question WHY are you going. It seems to
be
>that your motivation is to be with the opposite sex rather than to be
>enjoying simple naturist activities. Why should the balance of the
sexes
>make you more likely to want to go. Would you apply the same rules to
having
>a pint in your local ?
>
>Virago Man
>
>
I have no idea what Andrew's motives are, but I dislike the implications
in Virago Man's post.
The social dynamics of all-male (or predominantly male) gatherings is
very different from that of groups with balanced composition. I prefer
balanced gatherings to all-male ones for social pleasures. I wouldn't
like anywhere where my (female) partner would not feel accepted, and
would rule out any pub with a strongly "masculine" atmosphere, whether
she was there or not. Most women are put off by the thought of finding
themselves greatly outnumbered by men. I think my feelings are also
shared by a large minority of men.
All-male gatherings tend to indulge in more vulgar and antisocial
behaviour, more sexist and racist and other intolerant behaviour, drink
more alcohol and tend to talk about utterly boring subjects like
football and cars. I have seen quite enough of that on late-night
weekend trains.
Tony Russell
Richard Burnham wrote in message ...
>
>>Did you see the treatment Helen Ludbrook got here when she posted?
>
>You are being totally dishonest again here, Tony.
>
No I'm not, your paranoia needs some attention. Not only do you think that
the world is out to get you but that I'm referring only to you.
I'm not surprised that Helen hasn't posted here again but I'm disappointed.
Your rudeness to her, disregarding any substance in what you might have to
say would put anyone off, and like it or loath it, Helen and her journals
have the readership of many more people, naturist or otherwise than any of
us. I would have welcomed her regular participation, but you turned it into
boys games.
Shame on you.
TonyR
Richard Burnham
In article <6mnmhk$sid$1...@soap.news.pipex.net>, Tony Russell
<t.ru...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>
>Richard Burnham wrote in message ...
>>
>>>Did you see the treatment Helen Ludbrook got here when she posted?
>>
>>You are being totally dishonest again here, Tony.
>>
>No I'm not, your paranoia needs some attention. Not only do you think that
>the world is out to get you but that I'm referring only to you.
I didn't see any rudeness to Helen, perhaps I missed it. It's clear that
my article was one of the things you were referring to.
As for paranoia, I think I'm the hunter (of false statements and bad
reasoning) in our exchanges.
>I'm not surprised that Helen hasn't posted here again but I'm disappointed.
>Your rudeness to her, disregarding any substance in what you might have to
>say would put anyone off
Please point out where I was rude to Helen? Disagreeing with someone is
not rudeness, and anyone who publishes, whether on newsgroups or in the
press, should be prepared for disagreement or go and play elsewhere. I
doubt if Helen is the cry-baby you make her out to be.
>, and like it or loath it, Helen and her journals
>have the readership of many more people, naturist or otherwise than any of
>us. I would have welcomed her regular participation, but you turned it into
>boys games.
>
>Shame on you.
That's attributing rather a lot of power to me, isn't it? I suspect that
the reason she is not here is that she is more interested in the
readership of her magazine - true, she doesn't have to tolerate any
nasty difference of opinion there. That's one of the advantages of the
Net - those who don't publish magazines can state their opinion in
public here.
On the other hand, the reason why many women do not post on newsgroups,
I have found over the years I have been on the Net, is that as soon as
they are identified as female they are subjected to "wannafuck" and
other offensive emails. Part of the attitude to women encouraged by,
amongst others, H&E.
I really wonder what you are doing here, Tony, if you find it so
offensive when someone simply disagrees with your opinions or those of
others that you agree with. You seem to want a ball game where only you
are allowed control of the ball.
