Touring tyres
Catman
Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
lasting, what do I go for?
TIA
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"Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the Sprint
> ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they seem a
> bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>
> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
> lasting, what do I go for?
Loz suggested Avon Azaro III's (which I got) and they've been perect for the
intended job. They've dropped them ow though and brought out the replacement
which are supposed to be grippier AND longer lasting.
The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on the
Zed btw.
Others don't rate them, but they ride pure sports bikes and they ride a bit
quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
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>
> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ujq0i.335333$c62.2...@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
>> Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
>> seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>>
>> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
>> lasting, what do I go for?
>
> Loz suggested Avon Azaro III's (which I got) and they've been perect for
> the intended job. They've dropped them ow though and brought out the
> replacement which are supposed to be grippier AND longer lasting.
>
Just got some (Storm) for the XJR... I'll let you know
> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
> the Zed btw.
>
> Others don't rate them, but they ride pure sports bikes and they ride a
> bit quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
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<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on the
>Zed btw.
You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
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"Gyp" <G...@gyponline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>
>>The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>>the
>>Zed btw.
>
> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
Yep and it's not worn out yet. Granted I'm not a total twat on a bike, but I
don't crawl around either and I do a fair amount of riding with the misus on
the pillion.
Lozzo
> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>
> >The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on the
> >Zed btw.
>
> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
I've put 2000 miles on a pair of Michelin Pilot Road2 2CTs on the
Triumph and there's still a moulding line in the centre of the tread on
both tyres. Fantastic in the wet and allow me to play silly buggers in
the dry - I like them a lot, but they are a little more money than the
Avon Storms.
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Ofnuts
> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
> lasting, what do I go for?
This is my typical ride and I got Pilot Road. Good grip, above average
in the wet, and very long lasting.
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Catman
there, thanks for the feedback
Catman
> Gyp says...
>> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
>> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>
>>> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on the
>>> Zed btw.
>> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
>
> I've put 2000 miles on a pair of Michelin Pilot Road2 2CTs on the
> Triumph and there's still a moulding line in the centre of the tread on
> both tyres. Fantastic in the wet and allow me to play silly buggers in
> the dry - I like them a lot, but they are a little more money than the
> Avon Storms.
OK, they go on the short list as well
Catman
> Catman wrote:
>
>> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
>> lasting, what do I go for?
>
>
> This is my typical ride and I got Pilot Road. Good grip, above average
> in the wet, and very long lasting.
>
>
Pip
<cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>Beav wrote:
>> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on the
>> Zed btw.
>>
>> Others don't rate them, but they ride pure sports bikes and they ride a bit
>> quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
>I couldn't ride a pure sportsbike if my life depended on it, so no biggy
>there, thanks for the feedback
My RF came with 020s fitted. I thought they were OK, having had them
on my Bandit 12 before, by choice. Wettigrippers they weren't,
however.
When the time came I had Azaro IIIs fitted and after an initial bit of
arseyness they were fine - once scrubbed in, like. Much finer in the
wettigripper, lasting like forever. Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel and was used
reasonably hard, I'd have expected the 1mm deep telltale groove (for
the free replacement in case of an early puncture) to disappear in
short order. In over 3000 miles it hasn't.
There's still ~6mm of tread all across the rear and little sign of
wear to the front. Turns in better than on 020s as well, which was an
unexpected bonus, the RF being a bit strong in the understeery stakes.
First name terms with a couple of the local grass verges strong, in
fact. Bargain.
I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
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Gyp
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
Hmmm. That doesn't make the 3000 I got out of the original rear on the
Zed 750 seem too clever then. Must be I ride like a twat.
SD
<gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
Almost the exact mirror of my feelings, then.
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> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
> Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
> seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>
> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
> lasting, what do I go for?
>
> TIA
Just got a BT 021 fitted to the back end of my fazer and it feels much
nicer than the old 020 did.
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Bear
> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess somewhere
around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory of the test ride.
But you're right in one respect; it is heavy enough and torquey enough
to chew fuck out of tyres.
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Pip
wrote:
>In article <q9g5439m8qb99kk6j...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>
>> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
>> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
>
>Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
It is documented, yes. It's as it came to me, with a Dynojet, K&N and
a can on it. Dunno if there's anything else.
>
>125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess somewhere
>around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory of the test ride.
I thought you'd clocked the dyno chart that came with the paperwork,
at the time of purchase.
>
>But you're right in one respect; it is heavy enough and torquey enough
>to chew fuck out of tyres.
It certainly has plenty of torque - from memory of the dyno print, it
hits about 70lb/ft at 2500rpm and then stays flat across the sheet.
--
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Pip
wrote:
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:01:34 +0100, Pip
><gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>>once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>
>Almost the exact mirror of my feelings, then.
Is it the feel, the 'walking about' you don't like? I wouldn't go
back to 020s again on the basis of wet grip alone - the (lack of) wear
to the Avons is just a bonus. Different strokes for different bikes,
I guess.
--
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SaladDodger
> Is it the feel, the 'walking about' you don't like? I wouldn't go
> back to 020s again on the basis of wet grip alone - the (lack of) wear
> to the Avons is just a bonus. Different strokes for different bikes,
> I guess.
The "walkabout" phenomenon is very irritating, and riding around town
exposes me to it more than normal, I guess. It's also squared off
quicker then an 020, and wear rate seems greater overall.
That said, the AV46 is a revelation after the AV50 I had on the back,
and light years ahead of the AM42 I'm currently enduring on the back
of the Wing.
As it moves from tread to groove to tread, it almost feels like I'm
riding on cobbles at low speed.
Catman
Ta
Catman
<snip>
>
> I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
> once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>
Bear
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:18:34 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <q9g5439m8qb99kk6j...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
> >
> >> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
> >> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
> >
> >Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
>
> It is documented, yes. It's as it came to me, with a Dynojet, K&N and
> a can on it. Dunno if there's anything else.
> >
> >125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess somewhere
> >around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory of the test ride.
>
> I thought you'd clocked the dyno chart that came with the paperwork,
> at the time of purchase.
No, can't recall, but of course Bear's memory, etc etc.
Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
lies, so you must be right.
> >But you're right in one respect; it is heavy enough and torquey enough
> >to chew fuck out of tyres.
>
> It certainly has plenty of torque - from memory of the dyno print, it
> hits about 70lb/ft at 2500rpm and then stays flat across the sheet.
It's actually a peach of an engine; if they'd sorted the handling and
the abysmal looks it could have been a winner.
--
Bear
Pip
wrote:
>In article <ffm543ddgdubimt6h...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:18:34 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <q9g5439m8qb99kk6j...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> >
>> >> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
>> >> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
>> >
>> >Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
>>
>> It is documented, yes. It's as it came to me, with a Dynojet, K&N and
>> a can on it. Dunno if there's anything else.
>> >
>> >125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess somewhere
>> >around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory of the test ride.
>>
>> I thought you'd clocked the dyno chart that came with the paperwork,
>> at the time of purchase.
>
>No, can't recall, but of course Bear's memory, etc etc.
>
>Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
>lies, so you must be right.
heh. Lest we forget, the first job I did on it was to replace the
slipping clutch and install HD clutch springs which turned out to be
excellent physio for the fucked wrist. Dynos, of course, are as
effective a comparator as licking a finger and sticking it in the air.
>
>> >But you're right in one respect; it is heavy enough and torquey enough
>> >to chew fuck out of tyres.
>>
>> It certainly has plenty of torque - from memory of the dyno print, it
>> hits about 70lb/ft at 2500rpm and then stays flat across the sheet.
>
>It's actually a peach of an engine; if they'd sorted the handling and
>the abysmal looks it could have been a winner.
Handling was much better on the possibly rounder Avons, still
understeered unless led by a shoulder, backed up with half a buttock
down the inside. The looks could only be improved by scrapping the
bodywork entire and starting again.
--
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Bear
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:46:59 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <ffm543ddgdubimt6h...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:18:34 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <q9g5439m8qb99kk6j...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
> >> >
> >> >> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
> >> >> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
> >> >
> >> >Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
> >>
> >> It is documented, yes. It's as it came to me, with a Dynojet, K&N and
> >> a can on it. Dunno if there's anything else.
> >> >
> >> >125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess somewhere
> >> >around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory of the test ride.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd clocked the dyno chart that came with the paperwork,
> >> at the time of purchase.
> >
> >No, can't recall, but of course Bear's memory, etc etc.
> >
> >Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
> >lies, so you must be right.
>
> heh. Lest we forget, the first job I did on it was to replace the
> slipping clutch and install HD clutch springs which turned out to be
> excellent physio for the fucked wrist. Dynos, of course, are as
> effective a comparator as licking a finger and sticking it in the air.
You think? I mean I know dynos and air-density are factors, but out by
the tune of 15 bhp? I don't think so; more likely the slipping clutch
masked the power delivery and sensitive-to-fuck-all Bear didn't realise.
It didn't hang about, I do recall that.
> >> >But you're right in one respect; it is heavy enough and torquey enough
> >> >to chew fuck out of tyres.
> >>
> >> It certainly has plenty of torque - from memory of the dyno print, it
> >> hits about 70lb/ft at 2500rpm and then stays flat across the sheet.
> >
> >It's actually a peach of an engine; if they'd sorted the handling and
> >the abysmal looks it could have been a winner.
>
> Handling was much better on the possibly rounder Avons, still
> understeered unless led by a shoulder, backed up with half a buttock
> down the inside.
Did you ever try raising the rear ride height or dropping the front? It
did understeer like a bastard; I mean I rarely pay much attention to
bikes' reputations, but in the RF's case it's entirely deserved.
> The looks could only be improved by scrapping the
> bodywork entire and starting again.
It really is one super-mega-fugly bike. Those louvres are *so* 80s.
--
Bear
Pip
wrote:
>In article <12u54311e9hkgmr0k...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:46:59 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
>> >lies, so you must be right.
>>
>> heh. Lest we forget, the first job I did on it was to replace the
>> slipping clutch and install HD clutch springs which turned out to be
>> excellent physio for the fucked wrist. Dynos, of course, are as
>> effective a comparator as licking a finger and sticking it in the air.
>
>You think? I mean I know dynos and air-density are factors, but out by
>the tune of 15 bhp? I don't think so; more likely the slipping clutch
>masked the power delivery and sensitive-to-fuck-all Bear didn't realise.
<shrugs>
How about "Get a standard bike in, do a 'before' dyno run. Jet/can
bike, have a coffee ... oops, I appear to have slipped near the
calibration screw, never mind - perform 'after' test: Oh look, it's
gained dollops of power, aren't we good, that'll be three hundred
nicker Sonny". Ahem.
>
>It didn't hang about, I do recall that.
It never hung around. Horrendously uncomfortable, always felt like it
would spit me into Hertfordshire if I took the beady off it: but fast
as fuck (relatively speaking, at least).
>> Handling was much better on the possibly rounder Avons, still
>> understeered unless led by a shoulder, backed up with half a buttock
>> down the inside.
>
>Did you ever try raising the rear ride height or dropping the front? It
>did understeer like a bastard; I mean I rarely pay much attention to
>bikes' reputations, but in the RF's case it's entirely deserved.
It'll be back on the road shortly. I may well drop the front a bit
and see, 'cos taht's easy and raising the rear requires dogbones
making (in a bizarre mixture, 5mm shorter per inch raise required).
>
>> The looks could only be improved by scrapping the
>> bodywork entire and starting again.
>
>It really is one super-mega-fugly bike. Those louvres are *so* 80s.
SFA to be done with 'em though. They work OK as crash bungs, mind.
--
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Hog
> It'll be back on the road shortly. I may well drop the front a bit
> and see, 'cos taht's easy and raising the rear requires dogbones
> making (in a bizarre mixture, 5mm shorter per inch raise required).
and we know that making dogbones requires some care, don't we children
--
Hog
Bear
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:24:32 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <12u54311e9hkgmr0k...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:46:59 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
> >> >lies, so you must be right.
> >>
> >> heh. Lest we forget, the first job I did on it was to replace the
> >> slipping clutch and install HD clutch springs which turned out to be
> >> excellent physio for the fucked wrist. Dynos, of course, are as
> >> effective a comparator as licking a finger and sticking it in the air.
> >
> >You think? I mean I know dynos and air-density are factors, but out by
> >the tune of 15 bhp? I don't think so; more likely the slipping clutch
> >masked the power delivery and sensitive-to-fuck-all Bear didn't realise.
>
> <shrugs>
>
> How about "Get a standard bike in, do a 'before' dyno run. Jet/can
> bike, have a coffee ... oops, I appear to have slipped near the
> calibration screw, never mind - perform 'after' test: Oh look, it's
> gained dollops of power, aren't we good, that'll be three hundred
> nicker Sonny". Ahem.
heh. Fair comment.
> >It didn't hang about, I do recall that.
>
> It never hung around. Horrendously uncomfortable, always felt like it
> would spit me into Hertfordshire if I took the beady off it: but fast
> as fuck (relatively speaking, at least).
Why was it so uncomfortable? Seat? Bar/pegs distances? Or does your
comment, above, mean that it was the scary handling that meant you could
never relax?
> >> Handling was much better on the possibly rounder Avons, still
> >> understeered unless led by a shoulder, backed up with half a buttock
> >> down the inside.
> >
> >Did you ever try raising the rear ride height or dropping the front? It
> >did understeer like a bastard; I mean I rarely pay much attention to
> >bikes' reputations, but in the RF's case it's entirely deserved.
>
> It'll be back on the road shortly. I may well drop the front a bit
> and see, 'cos taht's easy and raising the rear requires dogbones
> making (in a bizarre mixture, 5mm shorter per inch raise required).
Can't hurt to try dropping the forks through a little.
> >> The looks could only be improved by scrapping the
> >> bodywork entire and starting again.
> >
> >It really is one super-mega-fugly bike. Those louvres are *so* 80s.
>
> SFA to be done with 'em though. They work OK as crash bungs, mind.
Hoorah and huzzah!
--
Bear
Krusty
> In article <ffm543ddgdubimt6h...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
> > On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:18:34 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article <q9g5439m8qb99kk6j...@4ax.com>, Pip
> > > says...
> > >
> > >> Bearing in mind the RF is a damn
> > >> heavy old lump of pig iron, has 140bhp at the rear wheel
> > >
> > > Eh? You sure? Or have you done stuff to it?
> >
> > It is documented, yes. It's as it came to me, with a Dynojet, K&N
> > and a can on it. Dunno if there's anything else.
> > >
> > > 125 bhp at the crank was the claim from Suzuki ... I'd guess
> > > somewhere around the 115-120 at the rear wheel mark, from memory
> > > of the test ride.
> >
> > I thought you'd clocked the dyno chart that came with the paperwork,
> > at the time of purchase.
>
> No, can't recall, but of course Bear's memory, etc etc.
>
> Sorry, but no way did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
> lies, so you must be right.
I suspect the dyno was telling huge great porkies in this case. 125 at
the crank would typically be 110 at the wheel, meaning the filter & can
gave an extra 30hp (or 27%). I really don't believe that.
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Krusty
Was that the 'official' explanation then?
Hog
> In article <5i0643dla4u4u4otn...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> SFA to be done with 'em though. They work OK as crash bungs, mind.
>
> Hoorah and huzzah!
I'm surprised to hear it will see the light of day again. There will be a
VF750 back on the road at this rate.
The RF seemed manageable to me in a slow steering sort of way. The wooden
feel to the brakes is what I remember about it, though they did pull the
bike up.
Proper man's clutch an' all.
--
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Pip
wrote:
>In article <5i0643dla4u4u4otn...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> It never hung around. Horrendously uncomfortable, always felt like it
>> would spit me into Hertfordshire if I took the beady off it: but fast
>> as fuck (relatively speaking, at least).
>
>Why was it so uncomfortable? Seat? Bar/pegs distances? Or does your
>comment, above, mean that it was the scary handling that meant you could
>never relax?
Lots of weight on the wrists when going urban, pegs three inches too
far forward and an inch too low.
>> It'll be back on the road shortly. I may well drop the front a bit
>> and see, 'cos taht's easy and raising the rear requires dogbones
>> making (in a bizarre mixture, 5mm shorter per inch raise required).
>
>Can't hurt to try dropping the forks through a little.
SwotIfort.
>> >It really is one super-mega-fugly bike. Those louvres are *so* 80s.
>>
>> SFA to be done with 'em though. They work OK as crash bungs, mind.
>
>Hoorah and huzzah!
"There had to be a reason for them".
--
Pip: B12
Pip
wrote:
>Bear wrote:
>> In article <5i0643dla4u4u4otn...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>
>>> SFA to be done with 'em though. They work OK as crash bungs, mind.
>>
>> Hoorah and huzzah!
>
>I'm surprised to hear it will see the light of day again. There will be a
>VF750 back on the road at this rate.
On ebay as a joke auction, more like.
>
>The RF seemed manageable to me in a slow steering sort of way. The wooden
>feel to the brakes is what I remember about it, though they did pull the
>bike up.
>
>Proper man's clutch an' all.
Yer not wrong. Are you /sure/ we should have put /three/ springs in
it?
--
Pip: B12
Hog
Only if you are planning a Cage Fighting career
--
Hog
Pip
wrote:
Cage fighters - pah!
They said I'd be unable to ride a bike with a clutch, you know - never
pull the lever in. Fuck 'em. I could outcrush Len Ganley three
months later, thanks to that clutch.
--
Pip: B12
Krusty
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:36:03 +0100, "Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Pip wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:50:30 +0100, "Hog"
> <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Proper man's clutch an' all.
> > >
> >> Yer not wrong. Are you sure we should have put three springs in
> >> it?
> >
> > Only if you are planning a Cage Fighting career
>
> Cage fighters - pah!
>
> They said I'd be unable to ride a bike with a clutch, you know - never
> pull the lever in. Fuck 'em. I could outcrush Len Ganley three
> months later, thanks to that clutch.
I had to sell my Ducati MHR because of the clutch. The combination of
my wimpiness, London traffic, & that clutch was never gonna work, even
after fitting lighter springs.
About ten years later I had to sell my Porker for similar reasons
(heavy clutch + fucked knee).
<thinks & has mild panic attack>
Lozzo, what's the clutch like on the Daytona?
Champ
wrote:
>In article <12u54311e9hkgmr0k...@4ax.com>, Pip says...
>> >Sorry, but no *way* did it feel like 140 bhp. Still, the dyno never
>> >lies, so you must be right.
>>
>> heh. Lest we forget, the first job I did on it was to replace the
>> slipping clutch and install HD clutch springs which turned out to be
>> excellent physio for the fucked wrist. Dynos, of course, are as
>> effective a comparator as licking a finger and sticking it in the air.
>
>You think? I mean I know dynos and air-density are factors, but out by
>the tune of 15 bhp?
Two different dynos could easily give readings 15bhp apart for that
sort of power, especially if using different 'correction' factors.
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
neal at champ dot org dot uk
Bear
Strewth, really?
I'm amazed - I'm not doubting you, I would just have thought that dynos
would have evolved to the point of greater accuracy/standards than that.
--
Bear
dog
> Lozzo, what's the clutch like on the Daytona?
it's a pansy clutch.
also, you have to hold it in when you start the bike for some ridiculous
reason, whether you're in neutral or not.
--
dog
sl1000 two#5
Krusty
> Krusty wrote:
> > Lozzo, what's the clutch like on the Daytona?
>
> it's a pansy clutch.
That's good then. The 955 Tiger's not /too/ bad (but stiffer than the
hydraulic clutch on the old Tiger). I'd hate to think the pending
transplant will leave me with a clutch I can't cope with.
> also, you have to hold it in when you start the bike for some
> ridiculous reason, whether you're in neutral or not.
Same as the Tig, & damned annoying it can be too.
Hog
I think the RF900R 1994 motor was rated at 135bhp anyway
--
Hog
Champ
wrote:
>> Two different dynos could easily give readings 15bhp apart for that
>> sort of power, especially if using different 'correction' factors.
>
>Strewth, really?
>
>I'm amazed - I'm not doubting you, I would just have thought that dynos
>would have evolved to the point of greater accuracy/standards than that.
There's lies, damned lies, and dyno readings.
A dyno printout from an unknown dyno, on an unknown date, with an
unknown correction factor, is really no more than pretty picture. You
need to do dyno runs back to back, changing one thing at a time, to
measure the effect of *change*, not the overall number.
On a higher power superbike (a ZX10R making around 190bhp), Slick Bass
found a 5bhp difference between runs in autumn and the following
spring just due to the rear slick going hard! Akropovitch apparently
get special 'dyno tyres', made to their spec, from Pirelli, which they
use in all their test.
It's a fucking minefield.
steve auvache
eNO...@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:07:03 +0100, SD <salad....@dsl.pipex.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:01:34 +0100, Pip
>><gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>>>once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>>
>>Almost the exact mirror of my feelings, then.
>
>Is it the feel, the 'walking about' you don't like?
What is this walking about of which you speak?
--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features
The Older Gentleman
> There's lies, damned lies, and dyno readings.
Ain't that the truth. The RF900 was the cheapest way of doing 165mph,
12-13 years ago.
Reasonably light, too, though still about 20kg heavier than the Blade.
But definitely built down to a price.
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Bear
Well I never. Thanks for that.
You'd think by now they'd have worked out a way of measuring grunt with
some degree of repeatable accuracy.
--
Bear
Krusty
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:16:53 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Two different dynos could easily give readings 15bhp apart for that
> >> sort of power, especially if using different 'correction' factors.
> >
> > Strewth, really?
> >
> > I'm amazed - I'm not doubting you, I would just have thought that
> > dynos would have evolved to the point of greater accuracy/standards
> > than that.
>
> There's lies, damned lies, and dyno readings.
>
> A dyno printout from an unknown dyno, on an unknown date, with an
> unknown correction factor, is really no more than pretty picture. You
> need to do dyno runs back to back, changing one thing at a time, to
> measure the effect of change, not the overall number.
That I agree with 100%
> On a higher power superbike (a ZX10R making around 190bhp), Slick Bass
> found a 5bhp difference between runs in autumn and the following
> spring just due to the rear slick going hard!
However that I'd question. One thing that's always struck me when
having bike's (& cars) dyno'd is how hard the bike's strapped down, &
how much of a variable that is. The harder you strap it down, the more
power must be lost through tyre flex/friction, yet there never seems to
be any consistency - they just crank the ratchet straps a few times.
A hard tyre would reduce flexing, & thus give a higher reading *for the
same strap tension*. But unless you use some kind of tension guage on
the straps, I don't think you can state categorically that a hardened
tyre caused the difference.
> Akropovitch apparently
> get special 'dyno tyres', made to their spec, from Pirelli, which they
> use in all their test.
Extra stiff sidewalls, perhaps?
> It's a fucking minefield.
Indeed.
Hog
> Champ wrote:
>> It's a fucking minefield.
>
> Indeed.
I'm sure the big race teams have some reliable method?
--
Hog
The Older Gentleman
> > Akropovitch apparently
> > get special 'dyno tyres', made to their spec, from Pirelli, which they
> > use in all their test.
>
> Extra stiff sidewalls, perhaps?
I'd put my money on super-low rolling resistance, actually.
Pip
chateau.murr...@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> There's lies, damned lies, and dyno readings.
>
>Ain't that the truth. The RF900 was the cheapest way of doing 165mph,
>12-13 years ago.
For a bike that cost me 500 quid, it still is.
>
>Reasonably light, too, though still about 20kg heavier than the Blade.
Still managed to beat a Blade to the ton, by something enormous like
0.1 according to contemporary road tests - or so I'm told.
>
>But definitely built down to a price.
Suzuki parts bins 3, 5 and 8.
--
Pip: B12
Krusty
Dynos attached to the gearbox output shaft I would imagine. Wilcox
Engineering use such a beast.
steve auvache
<hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes
Well of course but it costs more.
Face it, given that credit cards magically keep the same weight
regardless of their value most users of dyno testing stations would be
better off paying in coin for their performance improvements and not
bothering with the dyno at all. It feels as though it comes out at
about the equivalent of a half to 2 thirds of an HP purr Kg.[1]
[1] Bike and rider gross in at 0.3 to 0.25 Tonnes and HP around one and
a half hundred for a shop bought aftermarketted sports bike?
Pip
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>In article <8mm543lfhb6p3ohn9...@4ax.com>, Pip <gingerblok
>eNO...@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:07:03 +0100, SD <salad....@dsl.pipex.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:01:34 +0100, Pip
>>><gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>>>>once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>>>
>>>Almost the exact mirror of my feelings, then.
>>
>>Is it the feel, the 'walking about' you don't like?
>
>What is this walking about of which you speak?
You've gotta fit 'em to find out. At slow speeds and pulling away in
traffic, the diagonal tread pattern that has half a dozen
blocks'n'grooves one way, then the other, can make the arse end 'walk'
from side to side. Just marginally, like a really slow weave. It is
the biggest cause of complaint that I've heard about this particular
tyre. Just makes me giggle a bit, but then I'm not at that sort of
speed for long, being a denizen of the leafy lanes.
You can see the tread in question at the bottom of this page:
http://www.fwr.co.uk/avont.htm
and here:
http://www.streetbikereview.com/sbr_reviews/sbr_reviews_azaro_st.shtml
--
Pip: B12
Champ
wrote:
Well, that depends.
If you're a 'factory' team (i.e. anyone in MotoGP, or the big
supported WSB teams), then the engines are supplied from the factory,
and nowadays the race team doesn't even change the spark plugs.
No, the guys doing their own engine work nowadays are the 2nd division
WSB teams and the BSB teams. These guys all use their own tuners, who
will have their own dynos, which they 'understand', and they will, as
per my earlier post, make quite sure to measure change, not outright
numbers.
Champ
wrote:
>> On a higher power superbike (a ZX10R making around 190bhp), Slick Bass
>> found a 5bhp difference between runs in autumn and the following
>> spring just due to the rear slick going hard!
>
>However that I'd question. One thing that's always struck me when
>having bike's (& cars) dyno'd is how hard the bike's strapped down, &
>how much of a variable that is. The harder you strap it down, the more
>power must be lost through tyre flex/friction, yet there never seems to
>be any consistency - they just crank the ratchet straps a few times.
>
>A hard tyre would reduce flexing, & thus give a higher reading *for the
>same strap tension*. But unless you use some kind of tension guage on
>the straps, I don't think you can state categorically that a hardened
>tyre caused the difference.
All I know is Slick said the thing was strapped down as hard as he
dare, with a heavy bloke leaning on the back, and it was showing
187bhp and still leaving rubber on the rolling road :-)
Krusty
> All I know is Slick said the thing was strapped down as hard as he
> dare, with a heavy bloke leaning on the back, and it was showing
> 187bhp and still leaving rubber on the rolling road :-)
I think I'm rather glad I wasn't there. My first dyno experience was
getting the Porsche done, & one of the inter-cooler pipes came off with
one hell of a bang. Nearly shat meself I did. I don't like being near
dynos anymore.
steve auvache
eNO...@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes
>On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:07:53 +0100, steve auvache
><dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>What is this walking about of which you speak?
>
>You've gotta fit 'em to find out. At slow speeds and pulling away in
>traffic, the diagonal tread pattern that has half a dozen
>blocks'n'grooves one way, then the other, can make the arse end 'walk'
>from side to side. Just marginally, like a really slow weave.
<checks date>
> It is
>the biggest cause of complaint that I've heard about this particular
>tyre. Just makes me giggle a bit,
A bit?? It makes me fall on the floor.
> but then I'm not at that sort of
>speed for long, being a denizen of the leafy lanes.
Well I am not a denizen of country lanes but I have seen plenty of
riders on sprots bikes pulling away in traffic in my mirrors over my
time and can confidently tell you it is not the tyre.
Beav
"Gyp" <G...@gyponline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:DWtep1Rd...@orange.orange...
> In message <qor0i.3638$Wf....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>
>>"Gyp" <G...@gyponline.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:ZeJYrgPN...@orange.orange...
>>> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
>>> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>>
>>>>The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>>>>the
>>>>Zed btw.
>>>
>>> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
>>
>>Yep and it's not worn out yet. Granted I'm not a total twat on a bike, but
>>I
>>don't crawl around either and I do a fair amount of riding with the misus
>>on
>>the pillion.
>
> Hmmm. That doesn't make the 3000 I got out of the original rear on the Zed
> 750 seem too clever then. Must be I ride like a twat.
My original BT 014 only lasted 3000, but I needed something last summer that
would last the duration of a 400+ mile tour and Lozzo suggested the Azaro's.
I have to say they did the job perfectly and the added bonus of not spitting
me off when I hit standing water on the autobahn at 140 (indicated) made me
offer up a quick "Cheers Loz" in my head. They've been excellent tyres.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
Beav
"Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ac55017...@news.individual.net...
> Gyp says...
>> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
>> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>
>> >The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>> >the
>> >Zed btw.
>>
>> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
>
> Triumph and there's still a moulding line in the centre of the tread on
> both tyres. Fantastic in the wet and allow me to play silly buggers in
> the dry - I like them a lot, but they are a little more money than the
> Avon Storms.
Oddly enough Lozzo, they're what I'm fitting next time around. Not that
there's anything wrong with the Azaro's (from my own POV) but I want to try
a different sports touring tyre for comparison and the Road Pilot 2's have
been getting good press. And now from you too, so I won't have any
hesitation paying the money out.
Beav
"Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:D8z0i.86214$Zf5....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
> Beav wrote:
>> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ujq0i.335333$c62.2...@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>>> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
>>> Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
>>> seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>>>
>>> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
>>> lasting, what do I go for?
>>
>> Loz suggested Avon Azaro III's (which I got) and they've been perect for
>> the intended job. They've dropped them ow though and brought out the
>> replacement which are supposed to be grippier AND longer lasting.
>>
>> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>> the Zed btw.
>>
>> bit quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
>>
>>
> I couldn't ride a pure sportsbike if my life depended on it, so no biggy
> there, thanks for the feedback
Thank Lozzo, not me, I just did what you did and asked and he recommended
them based on how he guessed I ride. He was bob on too.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19.
Beav
"Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5agovgF...@mid.individual.net...
Yeah, it's called the track:)
Higgins
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:07:53 +0100, steve auvache
> <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <8mm543lfhb6p3ohn9...@4ax.com>, Pip <gingerblok
>> eNO...@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:07:03 +0100, SD <salad....@dsl.pipex.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:01:34 +0100, Pip
>>>> <gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>>>>> once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>>>> Almost the exact mirror of my feelings, then.
>>> Is it the feel, the 'walking about' you don't like?
>> What is this walking about of which you speak?
>
> You've gotta fit 'em to find out. At slow speeds and pulling away in
> traffic, the diagonal tread pattern that has half a dozen
> blocks'n'grooves one way, then the other, can make the arse end 'walk'
> from side to side. Just marginally, like a really slow weave.
So, can I stop looking for play in bushes and bearings now?
SD
<the.best.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pip wrote:
>>
>So, can I stop looking for play in bushes and bearings now?
No. You must change the shocks first, like wot I did.
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Lozzo
> On 9 May, 21:38, Catman <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
> > Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
> > seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
> >
> > So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
> > lasting, what do I go for?
> >
>
> Just got a BT 021 fitted to the back end of my fazer and it feels much
> nicer than the old 020 did.
Obviously, the old 020 wasn't replaced because you liked the look of the
new 021 and had money burning a hole in your pocket, it was because the
old 020 was shagged. Any new tyre feels better than a shagged one.
--
Lozzo
Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
Suzuki GSX-R750L trackbike (Shite with added shite bits)
Yamaha SR250 Cheasy-Rider (undergoing a transformation)
I ride way too fast to worry about cholestorol.
Lozzo
> <thinks & has mild panic attack>
>
> Lozzo, what's the clutch like on the Daytona?
Haven't a clue, my left arm and hand have almost no feeling so I can't
tell, it just works when I move the lever in and out. I judge the biting
point through my arse rather than my hand, IYSWIM. Moving away from a
stop can be a bit tricky at times, but it's not usually too bad.
Lozzo
I bought them purely to see what they were like as a rival to the Azaros
[1], and I've not been disappointed. I'm not one to stick with something
for years just because it works. There's always an alternative and it's
a matter of trying and making your own mind up if it's worth the change.
Years ago I used to swear by BT57s, then 020s, D207RRs etc, but time and
technology move on. I reckon these Michelins are as sticky as D207RRs
were in their day, but they wear as slowly as Azaro 3s do.
Beav
My thinking exactly, which is why the Michelins are the next to be fitted
(when these fucking Azaro's finally call it a day)
Beav
"Krusty" <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:5agiutF...@mid.individual.net...
> Pip wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:36:03 +0100, "Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Pip wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:50:30 +0100, "Hog"
>> <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Proper man's clutch an' all.
>> > >
>> >> Yer not wrong. Are you sure we should have put three springs in
>> >> it?
>> >
>> > Only if you are planning a Cage Fighting career
>>
>> Cage fighters - pah!
>>
>> They said I'd be unable to ride a bike with a clutch, you know - never
>> pull the lever in. Fuck 'em. I could outcrush Len Ganley three
>> months later, thanks to that clutch.
>
> I had to sell my Ducati MHR because of the clutch. The combination of
> my wimpiness, London traffic, & that clutch was never gonna work, even
> after fitting lighter springs.
>
> About ten years later I had to sell my Porker for similar reasons
> (heavy clutch + fucked knee).
I fitted a brake servo to a clutch on an "E" Type years ago for that reason.
Catman
> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:D8z0i.86214$Zf5....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
>> Beav wrote:
>>> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:ujq0i.335333$c62.2...@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>>>> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
>>>> Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple, they
>>>> seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>>>>
>>>> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
>>>> lasting, what do I go for?
>>> Loz suggested Avon Azaro III's (which I got) and they've been perect for
>>> the intended job. They've dropped them ow though and brought out the
>>> replacement which are supposed to be grippier AND longer lasting.
>>>
>>> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>>> the Zed btw.
>>>
>>> Others don't rate them, but they ride pure sports bikes and they ride a
>>> bit quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
>>>
>>>
>> I couldn't ride a pure sportsbike if my life depended on it, so no biggy
>> there, thanks for the feedback
>
> Thank Lozzo, not me, I just did what you did and asked and he recommended
> them based on how he guessed I ride. He was bob on too.
>
>
And then you provided feedback based on your experience, which is what I
was looking for :)
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Catman
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:01:34 +0100, Pip
>
>> I'd not hesitate to go the Avon route again, and will do on the B12
>> once the currently-fitted 020s are shagged.
>
> B12 to be utterly, utterly brilliant.
>
> That is all.
>
>
Definitely the front runner then
Beav
> Beav wrote:
>> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:D8z0i.86214$Zf5....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
>>> Beav wrote:
>>>> "Catman" <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:ujq0i.335333$c62.2...@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>>>>> Oh font, what does one recommend for touring? I have BT020s on the
>>>>> Sprint ATM, but frankly, although I liked them on the Speed Triple,
>>>>> they seem a bit twitchy on the Sprint, especially in the wet :(
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for mostly boring motorway with some suburban stuff, nice and long
>>>>> lasting, what do I go for?
>>>> Loz suggested Avon Azaro III's (which I got) and they've been perect
>>>> for the intended job. They've dropped them ow though and brought out
>>>> the replacement which are supposed to be grippier AND longer lasting.
>>>>
>>>> The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>>>> the Zed btw.
>>>>
>>>> Others don't rate them, but they ride pure sports bikes and they ride a
>>>> bit quicker than me, so maybe they're not suited to a pure sprotbike.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I couldn't ride a pure sportsbike if my life depended on it, so no biggy
>>> there, thanks for the feedback
>>
>> Thank Lozzo, not me, I just did what you did and asked and he recommended
>> them based on how he guessed I ride. He was bob on too.
>>
>>
>
> And then you provided feedback based on your experience, which is what I
> was looking for :)
I realise it's not what ukrm is well known for, but I took the chance that
I'd get flamed for offering my experience as anecdotal evidence and I think
I got away with it :)
Andy Bonwick
>In message <qor0i.3638$Wf....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
><beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>
>>"Gyp" <G...@gyponline.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:ZeJYrgPN...@orange.orange...
>>> In message <Wzq0i.11724$d9....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav
>>> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> writes
>>>
>>>>The Azaro's have done over 7000 miles and they're still going strong on
>>>>the
>>>>Zed btw.
>>>
>>> You've got more than 7000 miles on a rear tyre on a Zed thou???
>>
>>Yep and it's not worn out yet. Granted I'm not a total twat on a bike, but I
>>don't crawl around either and I do a fair amount of riding with the misus on
>>the pillion.
>
>Hmmm. That doesn't make the 3000 I got out of the original rear on the
>Zed 750 seem too clever then. Must be I ride like a twat.
Don't waste your time with Azaro's, you'd mince them the first time
you went out with Champ or Mike.