Re: (OT) These Cunts
BGN
>... have been outside for an hour and a half now..
>
>http://coughlan.fr/cunts.avi
>
>The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high tickover'
>so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This means diesel fumes
>in my flat (there's one window that doesn't close), and a sort of 'Chinese
>torture', having to listen to the engine.
Are they from Israel?
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BGN
>>>... have been outside for an hour and a half now..
>>>
>>>http://coughlan.fr/cunts.avi
>>>
>>>The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high
>>>tickover' so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This means
>>>diesel fumes in my flat (there's one window that doesn't close), and a
>>>sort of 'Chinese torture', having to listen to the engine.
>
>> Are they from Israel?
>
><countertroll mode ON>
>They'd have greater consideration for others, if they were.
>< />
I suppose if they innocently exploded then they, and their bloodless
hands, would cause you less noise.
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> ... have been outside for an hour and a half now..
>
> http://coughlan.fr/cunts.avi
>
> The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high tickover'
> so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This means diesel
> fumes
> in my flat (there's one window that doesn't close), and a sort of 'Chinese
> torture', having to listen to the engine.
>
> forehead...reach in... switch off engine...walk away...>
Surely the French way would be to douse the truck liberally in sheep and
then set them on fire...
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> ... have been outside for an hour and a half now..
>
> http://coughlan.fr/cunts.avi
>
> The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high
> tickover' so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This
> means diesel fumes in my flat (there's one window that doesn't
> close), and a sort of 'Chinese torture', having to listen to the
> engine.
>
> <fx: imagines Glock 22 ... open cab door ... single shot to the
> forehead...reach in... switch off engine...walk away...>
>
So next time you need scaffolding putting up, or are asked for a
recommendation, don't suggest coughlan.fr(cunts).
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Dan White
> Dan White <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
<snip>
>
>> Surely the French way would be to douse the truck liberally in sheep and
>> then set them on fire...
>
Your sheep lay eggs? What a fucked up country France is...
Fr Jack
>BGN <nickm...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> Are they from Israel?
>
><countertroll mode ON>
>They'd have greater consideration for others, if they were.
>< />
That would be the same consideration shown to the folks in Gaza and
the West Bank, presumably?
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Fr Jack
>By not driving them back to Jordan whence they came, you mean?
>
>Yes, you've got that right.
And maybe the population of modern israel should all be driven back to
Germany and Russia (etc.), where they mostly came from.
Let's not forget that, apart from references in fairytales[1], isreal
didn't exist until 1948.
Yes, you've conveniently forgotten.
[1]Bible, Torah, what-fucking-ever.
Fr Jack
>
>Except that well, 'duh!', the Jews are ...
basically the same people as those they are bullying.
>But somehow, I suspect that
>this won't change your opinion, for reasons which sadden me more than
>anything.
Well if it saddens you that I have a strong dislike of a country which
has proved itself to be a racist bully, time after time, then so be
it.
If, as I suspect, you're trying to play the "racist" card (which
appears to be SOP, whenever anyone criticises israel) against me, then
AFAIAC, you've just thrown yourself in the shitter and pulled the
chain on yourself.
Phil Launchbury
> Des <d...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>>Except that well, 'duh!', the Jews are ...
>
> basically the same people as those they are bullying.
Like us you mean? And the French, Germans, Poles, Spanish.. and every
other nation on earth?
> Well if it saddens you that I have a strong dislike of a country which
> has proved itself to be a racist bully, time after time, then so be
> it.
Like us, the French, Chinese, South Africans, Germans, Poles, Spanish,
Italians.. and every other nation on earth?
> AFAIAC, you've just thrown yourself in the shitter and pulled the
> chain on yourself.
No - you did that all by yourself.
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Cane
> > ... have been outside for an hour and a half now..
>
> >http://coughlan.fr/cunts.avi
>
> > The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high
> > tickover' so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This
> > means diesel fumes in my flat (there's one window that doesn't
> > close), and a sort of 'Chinese torture', having to listen to the
> > engine.
>
> > <fx: imagines Glock 22 ... open cab door ... single shot to the
> > forehead...reach in... switch off engine...walk away...>
>
> So next time you need scaffolding putting up, or are asked for a
> recommendation, don't suggest coughlan.fr(cunts).
"I'm the only Jew in the village Mafanwe"
Fr Jack
>No - you did that all by yourself.
Do bugger off, Phil..
Eiron
>>>>> The engine has been running constantly for that long, at a 'high
>>>>> tickover' so that the little crane can lift the scaffolding. This means
>>>>> diesel fumes in my flat (there's one window that doesn't close), and a
>>>>> sort of 'Chinese torture', having to listen to the engine.
<snip>
> Well considering that my block is made up of six floors, five flats on each
> floor, and that I'm the only non-Arab in the entire building .. I reckon
> that that would be an acceptable compromise.
That doesn't seem like a posh apartment in the 7th arrondissement.
It's more like a council flat in the 93rd (pronounced 'eighty-third').
I suppose I shouldn't believe anything I read in
alt.activism.death-penalty :-)
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> Fr Jack <s...@m.com> wrote:
> > Des <d...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >>By not driving them back to Jordan whence they came, you mean?
>
> >>Yes, you've got that right.
> > And maybe the population of modern israel should all be driven back to
> > Germany and Russia (etc.), where they mostly came from.
>
> inhabitants.
Donkeys, camels and rodents?
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M J Carley
>It takes a spectacular degree of stupidity to describe as a 'bully' a
>nation of seven million people surrounded by 250,000,000 people who
>hate them and have sworn to bring about their complete destruction
>(and who have on literally _hundreds_ of occasions, sought to put
>their ideas into practice).
On literally hundreds of occasions, two hundred and fifty million
people have tried to completely destroy Israel?
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M J Carley
>> In the referenced article, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes:
>
>>>It takes a spectacular degree of stupidity to describe as a 'bully' a
>>>nation of seven million people surrounded by 250,000,000 people who hate
>>>them and have sworn to bring about their complete destruction (and who
>>>have on literally _hundreds_ of occasions, sought to put their ideas into
>>>practice).
>
>> On literally hundreds of occasions, two hundred and fifty million people
>> have tried to completely destroy Israel?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Civil_War_in_the_British_Mandate_of_Palestine
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
That's a no then.
Fr Jack
>I expected better of you.
>
That's taken nearly 48 hours of effort, Dessie!
48 hours to come out with the same shite spouted by other pro-israeli
sheep, to justify Israel's bullying.
Here's a couple of interesting parallels for you:
Israel's repeated attempts to expand it's borders by invading
territory belonging to other sovereign nations... Startlingly similar
to the Nazi policy of creating Lebensraum.
Gaza, an Arab ghetto, effectively... Again a policy employed by the
Nazis.
The extreme response to actions taken against israel and its citizens
- invading Lebanon as a result of the kidnap of a soldier is a prime
example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
Israel is supposedly a Jewish homeland... Given the chance, there
would be no non-jews in israel... Smacks of the Nazis getting rid of
the Jews, doesn't it?
Strikes me that israel are Nazis in all but name.
They learnt well, didn't they?
Rich B
> Here's a couple of interesting parallels for you:
>
> Israel's repeated attempts to expand it's borders by invading
> territory belonging to other sovereign nations... Startlingly similar
> to the Nazi policy of creating Lebensraum.
>
> Gaza, an Arab ghetto, effectively... Again a policy employed by the
> Nazis.
>
> The extreme response to actions taken against israel and its citizens
> - invading Lebanon as a result of the kidnap of a soldier is a prime
> example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
> 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
>
> Israel is supposedly a Jewish homeland... Given the chance, there
> would be no non-jews in israel... Smacks of the Nazis getting rid of
> the Jews, doesn't it?
>
> Strikes me that israel are Nazis in all but name.
>
> They learnt well, didn't they?
I guess you could say they had good teachers. I've often had the same
thoughts, and I'm staggered at the way that Jewish friends don't seem to see
the connection. Highly intelligent, but with this one blind spot. If any
nation in the world knew the wickedness of this kind of behaviour, it should
be the Jews.
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Fr Jack
>I guess you could say they had good teachers. I've often had the same
>thoughts, and I'm staggered at the way that Jewish friends don't seem to see
>the connection. Highly intelligent, but with this one blind spot. If any
>nation in the world knew the wickedness of this kind of behaviour, it should
>be the Jews.
The irritating thing is that the nations who fought the nazis also
seem to have a similar blind spot - particularly the yanks.
M J Carley
>> That's a no then.
>
>If you can't count, then yeah .. *shrug* .. it's a no.
There are hundreds of attacks on Israel, alright, some of them carried
out by those it dispossessed, some of them by little groups of fundie
headbangers, but two hundred and fifty million people carrying out
*literally* hundreds of attacks?
Rich B
> Maybe because we're not infected with the 'low-level anti-Semitism'
> which manifestly afflicts certain people here.
>
> D.
Whoa there tiger. I am most definitely not anti-semitic - I have plenty of
Jewish friends, who I value and whose opinions I respect. But I do think
that some people have this blind spot which renders them unable to see how
Israel's actions appear to an impartial outsider. If attempting to judge
Israel's actions by normal civilised standards is anti-semitism, then I
guess I am guilty as charged. I'm just amazed that Israel (and her cultured
and intelligent sons and daughters) can't see the huge irony of it all.
"The life of a Palestinian isn't worth one Jewish fingernail", wasn't it?
Mutatis mutandis, Hitler would have been proud of that remark.
M J Carley
>> There are hundreds of attacks on Israel, alright, some of them
>> carried out by those it dispossessed
>You cannot 'dispossess' someone of something that he has never owned.
So deeds to houses don't count?
>> some of them by little groups of fundie headbangers, but two hundred and
>> fifty million people carrying out *literally* hundreds of attacks?
>
>When the attacks are carried out with the always tacit and occasionally
>explicit support of the populations, then the latter bear responsibility
>for them.
`Always tacit support', how do you know? Did they vote for the people
who decided to go to war? Which side would they support if they were
attacked (1956, say)? How do you know the true opinion of so many
people?
M J Carley
>> So deeds to houses don't count?
>
>Deeds issued by those unauthorised to do so, are worthless.
Who would it be that issued unauthorized deeds? And are you claiming
that those deeds do not reflect real ownership?
>> `Always tacit support', how do you know? Did they vote for the people who
>> decided to go to war? Which side would they support if they were attacked
>> (1956, say)? How do you know the true opinion of so many people?
>
>'Palestinians' have until relatively recently, shown in poll after poll
>that they support suicide and/or rocket attacks inside Israel. As for the
>'moderate' regimes in Egypt and Jordan, say, whose leaders have signed
>treaties with Israel or taken other similar steps to recognise the latter,
>they are under great pressure from their populations, not _all_ of whom can
>be classed as 'mad islamists'.
Do you not think that Palestinians might have good reason for opposing
Israel? What pressure are the leaders of Egypt and Jordan under? Are
they worried about losing elections?
>I find it quite significant (and interesting) that no end of people
>on UKRM can call the Israelis 'cunts', 'racists', 'thieves',
>'murderers', and (with the proud and notable exception of Phil) I'm
>the only one to speak up. _Dare_ to criticise the Arabs, however,
>and wait to see the result.
Israel is murderous, racist and a thief. On the other hand, with the
possible exception of Lebanon, Arab states are murderous, corrupt,
undemocratic and repressive. That does not excuse what Israel does and
has done.
steve auvache
>'Palestinians' have until relatively recently, shown in poll after poll
>that they support suicide and/or rocket attacks inside Israel.
The only thing they have demonstrated is that the brainwashing they have
undergone at the hands of their "religious leaders" has been very
effective. Demonstrations of the wholly undesirable nature of
established religion manipulating the political process through fear and
the ease with which entire populations can be thus manipulated by evil
for the benefit of the evil in order to do evil abound, this is just one
current among many.
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steve auvache
>and choose what it accepts; and conveniently 'forgets' the number of times
>that Israel's right to that land, is mentioned.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity all "purport" to follow the bible. To
single one out as a particular source of evil is at best dangerous short
sighted. Better to say that currently Islam is the most vocal in this
matter but not necessarily the most active. The fact that your
particular branch of insanity is getting the worst of it right now is
purely a matter of timing and perspective. Personally I wish the whole
fucking lot of you would visit a shrink and get the treatment you so
desperately need and then We could all live much more happy and
productive lives.
steve auvache
>steve auvache <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <dq0cn4-...@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes
>>>steve auvache <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> In article <uklbn4-...@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes
>
>>>>>'Palestinians' have until relatively recently, shown in poll after poll
>>>>>that they support suicide and/or rocket attacks inside Israel.
>
>>>> The only thing they have demonstrated is that the brainwashing they
>>>> have undergone at the hands of their "religious leaders" has been very
>>>> effective. Demonstrations of the wholly undesirable nature of
>>>> established religion manipulating the political process through fear
>>>> and the ease with which entire populations can be thus manipulated by
>>>> evil for the benefit of the evil in order to do evil abound, this is
>>>> just one current among many.
>
>>>Interesting that Islam, which purports to follow 'the Bible', seems to
>>>pick and choose what it accepts; and conveniently 'forgets' the number of
>>>times that Israel's right to that land, is mentioned.
>
>> Islam, Judaism and Christianity all "purport" to follow the bible. To
>> single one out as a particular source of evil is at best dangerous short
>> sighted.
>
>Muslims.... whereas Islam has as one of its 'pillars' (pun sort of
>intended), not trusting Jews.
And sanity has as an absolute that we should trust non of the barking
mad, regardless of the label they wish to attach to it.
M J Carley
>> Who would it be that issued unauthorized deeds? And are you claiming that
>> those deeds do not reflect real ownership?
>The 'Palestinians'' claims to the land are invalid, because the
>people issuing the 'deeds' were doing so with land that belonged to
>someone else, namely to the Jews.
So even if those deeds are the result of a Palestinian paying for the
land, they don't count?
>> Do you not think that Palestinians might have good reason for
>> opposing Israel?
>They no doubt imagine that they do, but then I'm sure that the idiots
>who tried to kill people in London and Glasgow last month, thought
>the same thing.
So, the people currently living under Israeli occupation, or who were
driven out of their homes by Israel in the 1940s, have absolutely no
legitimate grievance?
>> What pressure are the leaders of Egypt and Jordan under? Are they worried
>> about losing elections?
>
>What 'elections'?
Exactly.
>> Israel is murderous,
>Israel acts in self-defence. Sometimes heavy-handedly (sp?), but in
>self-defence nonetheless.
Ethnic cleansing in 1948? Collaborating with Britain and Israel in
1956? Bombing convoys escaping Southern Lebanon?
>> racist
>Utter rubbish.
Israeli passports do not say that the holder is `Israeli' but that
they are `Jewish', `Arab' or `Druze'; Arabs in Israel are excluded
from military service; Israel is founded on the idea that it is a
state for one, and only one, religious (ethnic?) group. That sounds
fairly racist to me.
>> and a thief.
>
>You cannot 'steal' that which is yours to begin with.
dog
> >> There are hundreds of attacks on Israel, alright, some of them
> >> carried out by those it dispossessed
>
> >You cannot 'dispossess' someone of something that he has never owned.
>
> So deeds to houses don't count?
i'm sure there's a parallel to be drawn with the colonisation of america
or australia here. you lot! do you have papers proving this is your land?
oh, you do? well, right here i have a mandate from {god|smith and wesson}[1]
that says it's mine, so fuck off.
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>
> Islam, Judaism and Christianity all "purport" to follow the bible. To
> single one out as a particular source of evil is at best dangerous short
> sighted. Better to say that currently Islam is the most vocal in this
> matter but not necessarily the most active. The fact that your
> particular branch of insanity is getting the worst of it right now is
> purely a matter of timing and perspective. Personally I wish the whole
> fucking lot of you would visit a shrink and get the treatment you so
> desperately need and then We could all live much more happy and
> productive lives.
If you can download a copy of last Fridays "The Now Show" on Radio 4, check
out Marcus Brigstocke's rant on religion. Fucking *top* ranting I thought
:-)
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M J Carley
>"steve auvache" <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote in message
>news:YZYh8sAJ...@auvache.force9.co.uk...
>If you can download a copy of last Fridays "The Now Show" on Radio 4,
>check out Marcus Brigstocke's rant on religion. Fucking *top* ranting
>I thought :-)
One of the greatest I have ever heard: should be stapled to the
forehead of every fundie in the country so they have to keep reading
it.
Phil Launchbury
>
> Israel's repeated attempts to expand it's borders by invading
> territory belonging to other sovereign nations... Startlingly similar
> to the Nazi policy of creating Lebensraum.
Startlingly similar to the UK policy in creating the largest empire the
world has ever seen. Maybe we were Nazis too?
> Gaza, an Arab ghetto, effectively... Again a policy employed by the
> Nazis.
And the UK. Lets not forget the UK. Oh - and the Russians. And the
Poles. And the Spanish.
> example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
> 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
> Israel is supposedly a Jewish homeland... Given the chance, there
> would be no non-jews in israel... Smacks of the Nazis getting rid of
How strange that there are Arab MP's in the Knesset if they have all
been 'cleansed' out of Israel. How strange that you don't appear to
know what you are talking about..
> Strikes me that israel are Nazis in all but name.
Strikes me that you are talking out the orifice at the other end of
your body from your mouth..
Phil.
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Phil Launchbury
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:11:33 GMT M J Carley wrote:
>
>>Ethnic cleansing in 1948? Collaborating with Britain and Israel in
>>1956? Bombing convoys escaping Southern Lebanon?
>
Just like your current employers eh Ben? I don't know how you sleep at
night working for people who invade and occupy places..
Can you spell hypocrite? Because you certainly act it.
Phil Launchbury
> Des wrote:
>
>> Maybe because we're not infected with the 'low-level anti-Semitism'
>> which manifestly afflicts certain people here.
>
> Jewish friends, who I value and whose opinions I respect. But I do think
> that some people have this blind spot which renders them unable to see how
> Israel's actions appear to an impartial outsider. If attempting to judge
No - I'm well aware how Israels actions look to an 'impartial' outsider
(if such a thing exists - which I doubt).
Lets face it - people under daily threat of their lives (and their
childrens lives, and their very nations lives) do extraordinary things
in the name of survival.
Things which (in another setting) they would never conceive of doing.
Now put yourself in the same setting - living in a country barely 10
miles wide, surrounded by well-armed countries who have the stated aim
of killing you and your people and destroying you, your family and your
nation.
What do you think you would do?
M J Carley
>In article <3i22a3196mga7oll3...@4ax.com>, Fr Jack wrote:
>>
>> Israel's repeated attempts to expand it's borders by invading
>> territory belonging to other sovereign nations... Startlingly similar
>> to the Nazi policy of creating Lebensraum.
>
>Startlingly similar to the UK policy in creating the largest empire the
>world has ever seen. Maybe we were Nazis too?
Not *quite* that bad (although Ireland still hasn't recovered). And
don't say `we': you weren't born then.
>> Gaza, an Arab ghetto, effectively... Again a policy employed by the
>> Nazis.
>
>And the UK. Lets not forget the UK. Oh - and the Russians. And the
>Poles. And the Spanish.
So Israel is on the moral level of Russian, Polish and Spanish
anti-Semites. It can't be that bad then.
>> example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
>> 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
>Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
That would be a 1:10 killing of the members of a disgraced unit:
savage but not the same thing. If you want to be a pedant, be right.
Champ
<ph...@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
>> example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
>> 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
>
>Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
That was 1 in 10, not 10 for every 1.
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wrote:
>In the referenced article, "Dan White" <m...@privacy.net> writes:
>>"steve auvache" <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote in message
>>news:YZYh8sAJ...@auvache.force9.co.uk...
>
>>If you can download a copy of last Fridays "The Now Show" on Radio 4,
>>check out Marcus Brigstocke's rant on religion. Fucking *top* ranting
>>I thought :-)
>
>One of the greatest I have ever heard: should be stapled to the
>forehead of every fundie in the country so they have to keep reading
>it.
I just listened to it on "listen again" (they've withdrawn the podcast
service on The Now Show - curse them).
As you say - an inspired and very amusing rant
M J Carley
>> So even if those deeds are the result of a Palestinian paying for the
>> land, they don't count?
>
>If I steal your home and then sell it to someone, do you think that that
>person is lawfully in your abode?
Who stole from whom? When did the Palestinians `steal' their homes?
>> So, the people currently living under Israeli occupation, or who were
>> driven out of their homes by Israel in the 1940s, have absolutely no
>> legitimate grievance?
>They are not 'living under Israeli occupation'. They are living in
>land that is rightfully part of Israel and only terrorist attacks and
>pressure from short-sighted, Arabist and anti-Semitic western
>governments has allowed their unjustified whining to find an
>audience.
So people living under Israeli control outside the recognized borders
of Israel are not under occupation?
>> Exactly.
>Which means what? Do you believe that because these countries are
>undemocratic, that their leaders do not fear popular revolt?
They certainly don't worry about public opinion, especially since they
control the press.
>> Ethnic cleansing in 1948? Collaborating with Britain and Israel in 1956?
>> Bombing convoys escaping Southern Lebanon?
>
>Being attacked hundreds of times since 1948 for the simple fact of
>existing...
I don't think so. It has been attacked hundreds of times by people
with a legitimate grievance against it (although I don't consider
their methods legitimate or useful).
>> Israeli passports do not say that the holder is `Israeli' but that they
>> are `Jewish', `Arab' or `Druze'; Arabs in Israel are excluded from
>> military service; Israel is founded on the idea that it is a state for
>> one, and only one, religious (ethnic?) group. That sounds fairly racist
>> to me.
>
>First of all, religion != race, but aside from that yes, Israel is a Jewish
>state. If you don't like it, you don't have to go there.
There are people there who didn't ask for Israel to come to them. As
for religion not being the same as race, in this case it is: that's
why it says `Jewish' or `Arab' rather than `Jewish' or `Muslim'.
John Bilberg
> Now put yourself in the same setting - living in a country barely 10
> miles wide, surrounded by well-armed countries who have the stated aim
> of killing you and your people and destroying you, your family and
> your nation.
> What do you think you would do?
>
> Phil.
Move to a healthier climate.
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<snip>
>
> I just listened to it on "listen again" (they've withdrawn the podcast
> service on The Now Show - curse them).
You were lucky to get it. The BBC seems to having a nightmare with their
streaming services at the moment. Seems to have only about 30% of the usual
programmes available. I grabbed it from a torrent site :-)
> As you say - an inspired and very amusing rant
In the past I've found some of Brigstocke's stuff to be a bit hit and miss,
but that was definitely top form.
ogden
>
> In article <qbr7a396tf88cufbb...@4ax.com>, vulgarandmischevious wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:11:33 GMT M J Carley wrote:
> >
> >>Ethnic cleansing in 1948? Collaborating with Britain and Israel in
> >>1956? Bombing convoys escaping Southern Lebanon?
> >
> > Invading and occupying places...
>
> Just like your current employers eh Ben? I don't know how you sleep at
> night working for people who invade and occupy places..
>
> Can you spell hypocrite? Because you certainly act it.
Crikey, somebody got out the wrong side of the bed EVERY DAY FOR THE
LAST TEN FUCKING YEARS.
--
ogden
sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike
Bear
Dan White
news:MPG.210ea4875...@news.individual.net...<snip>
>>
>> Crikey, somebody got out the wrong side of the bed EVERY DAY FOR THE
>> LAST TEN FUCKING YEARS.
>
> God told him to do it :)
Hey, it worked for Peter Sutcliffe. Oh, wait...
Phil Launchbury
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:51:23 +0100 Phil Launchbury wrote:
>
>>In article <qbr7a396tf88cufbb...@4ax.com>, vulgarandmischevious wrote:
>>
>>Just like your current employers eh Ben? I don't know how you sleep at
>>night working for people who invade and occupy places..
>
> it? Presumably that's because the Israelis do it because God tells them
> it's okay.
Nope. No-where did I say that. The comment was aimed squarely at your
negotiable-price conscience.
>>Can you spell hypocrite? Because you certainly act it.
>
> Fuck you. You have no idea what I do.
No. But I know you work for the US military - those shining bastions of
not-invading-and-causing-civilian-deaths people.
Phil Launchbury
> Phil Launchbury wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Invading and occupying places...
>>
>> Just like your current employers eh Ben? I don't know how you sleep at
>> night working for people who invade and occupy places..
>>
>> Can you spell hypocrite? Because you certainly act it.
>
> Crikey, somebody got out the wrong side of the bed EVERY DAY FOR THE
> LAST TEN FUCKING YEARS.
Why? For pointing out that Ben is being a hypocrite for condeming
Israel for invading other countries when his employer is in that
business themselves?
Get real.
Phil Launchbury
> In the referenced article, phil...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>
>>Startlingly similar to the UK policy in creating the largest empire the
>>world has ever seen. Maybe we were Nazis too?
>
> Not *quite* that bad (although Ireland still hasn't recovered). And
> don't say `we': you weren't born then.
Neither were a lot of the current Israelis when Israel was set up. So
what are they supposed to do? Walk out of their birthplace or stand
meekly by and get slaughtered?
>
>>> Gaza, an Arab ghetto, effectively... Again a policy employed by the
>>> Nazis.
>>
>>And the UK. Lets not forget the UK. Oh - and the Russians. And the
>>Poles. And the Spanish.
>
> So Israel is on the moral level of Russian, Polish and Spanish
> anti-Semites. It can't be that bad then.
And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
It's called 'human nature'.
>>Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
>
> That would be a 1:10 killing of the members of a disgraced unit:
Not just that - it's also the killing of 1 in 10 of a captured
populace. As practiced by the Romans. And Assyrians. And Babylonians.
And many many many others.
> savage but not the same thing. If you want to be a pedant, be right.
I suggest you might like to broaden your own horizons.
Phil
Bear
Launchbury says...
> In article <6rv8a3dkidgdqqkbh...@4ax.com>, vulgarandmischevious wrote:
> > Fuck you. You have no idea what I do.
>
> No. But I know you work for the US military
ITYF that, technically, he does not.
--
Bear
M J Carley
>In article <JLMKA8.Ls...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>> Not *quite* that bad (although Ireland still hasn't recovered). And
>> don't say `we': you weren't born then.
>Neither were a lot of the current Israelis when Israel was set up. So
>what are they supposed to do? Walk out of their birthplace or stand
>meekly by and get slaughtered?
Israel is *still* occupying land outside its borders and still
invading its neighbours. That doesn't justify attacks on Israeli
civilians but it does change things a touch.
>> So Israel is on the moral level of Russian, Polish and Spanish
>> anti-Semites. It can't be that bad then.
>
>And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
Canada), Finland (?), Lebanon, a lot of Latin America, quite a bit of
Asia.
>> That would be a 1:10 killing of the members of a disgraced unit:
>
>Not just that - it's also the killing of 1 in 10 of a captured
>populace. As practiced by the Romans. And Assyrians. And Babylonians.
>And many many many others.
So not a 10:1 ratio but a 1:10.
Lucifer
> M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > In the referenced article, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes:
> >>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>> Who would it be that issued unauthorized deeds? And are you claiming
> >>> that those deeds do not reflect real ownership?
> >>The 'Palestinians'' claims to the land are invalid, because the people
> >>issuing the 'deeds' were doing so with land that belonged to someone
> >>else, namely to the Jews.
> > So even if those deeds are the result of a Palestinian paying for the
> > land, they don't count?
>
> person is lawfully in your abode?
Good question, how does that go with the settlements being constructed
on the West Bank?
> >>> Do you not think that Palestinians might have good reason for opposing
> >>> Israel?
> >>They no doubt imagine that they do, but then I'm sure that the idiots who
> >>tried to kill people in London and Glasgow last month, thought the same
> >>thing.
> > So, the people currently living under Israeli occupation, or who were
> > driven out of their homes by Israel in the 1940s, have absolutely no
> > legitimate grievance?
>
> They are not 'living under Israeli occupation'. They are living in land
> that is rightfully part of Israel and only terrorist attacks and pressure
> from short-sighted, Arabist and anti-Semitic western governments has
> allowed their unjustified whining to find an audience.
Bloody hell, didn't realise you were that stupid. They are living in
their own lands, and the Israeli bulldozers that knock down their
houses and bulldoze olive groves? Of course they are a fucking
occupying force.
> >>> What pressure are the leaders of Egypt and Jordan under? Are they worried
> >>> about losing elections?
> >>What 'elections'?
> > Exactly.
>
> Which means what? Do you believe that because these countries are
> undemocratic, that their leaders do not fear popular revolt?
>
> >>> Israel is murderous,
> >>Israel acts in self-defence. Sometimes heavy-handedly (sp?), but in
> >>self-defence nonetheless.
>
> > Ethnic cleansing in 1948? Collaborating with Britain and Israel in 1956?
> > Bombing convoys escaping Southern Lebanon?
>
> Being attacked hundreds of times since 1948 for the simple fact of
> existing...
I think the fact that they turfed a lot of people out of their houses
and off their land may well explain some of the anger.
> >>> racist
>
> >>Utter rubbish.
>
> > Israeli passports do not say that the holder is `Israeli' but that they
> > are `Jewish', `Arab' or `Druze'; Arabs in Israel are excluded from
> > military service; Israel is founded on the idea that it is a state for
> > one, and only one, religious (ethnic?) group. That sounds fairly racist
> > to me.
>
> First of all, religion != race, but aside from that yes, Israel is a Jewish
> state. If you don't like it, you don't have to go there.
I can imagine that being little comfort to the people who were there
before it was set up.
--
Lucifer - Yamaha XV535 Virago
Phil Launchbury
> In the referenced article, phil...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>In article <JLMKA8.Ls...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>
> Israel is *still* occupying land outside its borders and still
> invading its neighbours. That doesn't justify attacks on Israeli
> civilians but it does change things a touch.
And as I've said before - I don't support Israels behaviour but what I
do support is their right to exist without fearing imminent demise.
And yes - they need to sit down and *seriously* talk to the
Palestinians - not just 'divide and conquer' talks like at the moment.
>>And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
>
> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
Canada - apart from when they invaded the US of course (albeit
briefly!). Shame they didn't succeed a little more permanently..
>>> That would be a 1:10 killing of the members of a disgraced unit:
>>
>>Not just that - it's also the killing of 1 in 10 of a captured
>>populace. As practiced by the Romans. And Assyrians. And Babylonians.
>>And many many many others.
>
> So not a 10:1 ratio but a 1:10.
Back to the original point - when did Israel do 10:1 killings? I know
they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in Lebannon but
they would not be the first country to have done that by any means.
They certainly didn't round up the nearest bunch of villagers like the
Germans did in Russia (or the British in Africa or the US in Vietnam
etc etc).
M J Carley
>In article <JLMusu.Dr...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>
>Canada - apart from when they invaded the US of course (albeit
>briefly!). Shame they didn't succeed a little more permanently..
When it was a British colony?
>> So not a 10:1 ratio but a 1:10.
>
>Back to the original point - when did Israel do 10:1 killings?
As far as you are concerned, Jericho. I didn't claim it did 10:1,
although it has carried out collective punishment.
>I know they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in
>Lebannon but they would not be the first country to have done that by
>any means.
`Kidnapped'?
>They certainly didn't round up the nearest bunch of villagers like
>the Germans did in Russia (or the British in Africa or the US in
>Vietnam etc etc).
No. They did that in 1948.
M J Carley
>>
>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>> Canada), Finland (?), Lebanon, a lot of Latin America, quite a bit of
>> Asia.
>
Lebanon, 1982 and Egypt, 1956?
Fr Jack
>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
>>
>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>> Canada), Finland (?), Lebanon, a lot of Latin America, quite a bit of
>> Asia.
>
>.. Israel...
Now you're just being a troll, cunt!
If you love israel so fucking much, why don't you fuck off there?
Maybe you haven't got the balls to back up your convictions, after all
you may have to take up arms and kill someone...
--
Fr. Jack
The Un-Civil Servant
Champ
wrote:
>In the referenced article, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes:
>>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
>>>
>>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>>> Canada), Finland (?), Lebanon, a lot of Latin America, quite a bit of
>>> Asia.
>>
>>.. Israel...
>
>Lebanon, 1982 and Egypt, 1956?
And Lebanon 2006, no?
Fr Jack
>In article <3i22a3196mga7oll3...@4ax.com>, Fr Jack wrote:
>>
>> example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
>> 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
>
>Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
Fuckwit! If I had meant decimation, I would have written it.
>> Israel is supposedly a Jewish homeland... Given the chance, there
>> would be no non-jews in israel... Smacks of the Nazis getting rid of
>
>How strange that there are Arab MP's in the Knesset if they have all
>been 'cleansed' out of Israel. How strange that you don't appear to
>know what you are talking about..
Where do I say the non jews *have been* removed?
Nowhere.
Read carefully, before inserting your foot in your gob, you stupid
sod!
>> Strikes me that israel are Nazis in all but name.
>
>Strikes me that you are talking out the orifice at the other end of
>your body from your mouth..
And you, quite clearly have your head jammed up yours, because the
shit is still in your eyes when you try to read, as just demonstrated.
M J Carley
>>>I know they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in Lebannon
>>>but they would not be the first country to have done that by any means.
>
>> `Kidnapped'?
>
>'to take a person away illegally by force'..
>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=43626&dict=CALD
And if they were taken in Lebanon?
Phil Launchbury
> In the referenced article, phil...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>In article <JLMusu.Dr...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>
>>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>>
>>Canada - apart from when they invaded the US of course (albeit
>>briefly!). Shame they didn't succeed a little more permanently..
>
> When it was a British colony?
Yes - shortly after the US won their independance the British (with
Canadian troops) mounted an invasion that reached almost to the White
House.
>>Back to the original point - when did Israel do 10:1 killings?
>
> As far as you are concerned, Jericho. I didn't claim it did 10:1,
> although it has carried out collective punishment.
Let me rephrase: "in the modern historical era - when did Israel do
10:1 killings"?
Condeming people for something their ancestors did is pretty futile.
>
>>I know they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in
>>Lebannon but they would not be the first country to have done that by
>>any means.
>
> `Kidnapped'?
'Captured'.. There - that better?
>>the Germans did in Russia (or the British in Africa or the US in
>>Vietnam etc etc).
>
> No. They did that in 1948.
As did the Arabs pre-and post 1948. A lot of nastiness happened in the
area at that time. As the Israelis own schoolbooks admit.
Phil.
dog
> If you love israel so fucking much, why don't you fuck off there?
it wouldn't stop him posting.
--
dog
sl1000 two#5
Andy Bonwick
>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>> In the referenced article, Des <d...@yahoo.fr> writes:
>>>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>I know they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in Lebannon
>>>>>but they would not be the first country to have done that by any means.
>>>
>>>> `Kidnapped'?
>>>
>>>'to take a person away illegally by force'..
>>>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=43626&dict=CALD
>>
>> And if they were taken in Lebanon?
>
>Then they should be subject to whatever penalties the Lebanon inflicts on
>those who cross its borders illegally. Once that is done, he should be
>returned to his family in Israel.
>
So all the troops that went in after him should have been taken by
Lebanese militia and tried for illegal entry into the country?
dog
> > example. The Nazis did something similar in occupied territories -
> > 10:1 revenge killings, when the resistance killed a German.
>
> Look up the origin of the word 'decimation'.
i recommend that you follow your own advice.
--
dog
sl1000 two#5
Phil Launchbury
> Phil Launchbury <ph...@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <3i22a3196mga7oll3...@4ax.com>, Fr Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> Israel is supposedly a Jewish homeland... Given the chance, there
>>> would be no non-jews in israel... Smacks of the Nazis getting rid of
>>
>>How strange that there are Arab MP's in the Knesset if they have all
>>been 'cleansed' out of Israel. How strange that you don't appear to
>>know what you are talking about..
>
> Where do I say the non jews *have been* removed?
So why make the point you moron? Ah - because you *want* it to be true.
>
>>> Strikes me that israel are Nazis in all but name.
>>
>>Strikes me that you are talking out the orifice at the other end of
>>your body from your mouth..
>
> And you, quite clearly have your head jammed up yours, because the
Nope - because I can see that most of your points only exist in your
own head.
M J Carley
>In article <JLMyKJ.J7...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>> In the referenced article, phil...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>>In article <JLMusu.Dr...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>>
>>>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>>>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>>>
>>>Canada - apart from when they invaded the US of course (albeit
>>>briefly!). Shame they didn't succeed a little more permanently..
>>
>> When it was a British colony?
>
>Yes - shortly after the US won their independance the British (with
>Canadian troops) mounted an invasion that reached almost to the White
>House.
Exactly: so it wasn't a Canadian invasion.
>> As far as you are concerned, Jericho. I didn't claim it did 10:1,
>> although it has carried out collective punishment.
>
>Let me rephrase: "in the modern historical era - when did Israel do
>10:1 killings"?
Not to my knowledge.
>Condeming people for something their ancestors did is pretty futile.
That's not what you say when you assert Jewish entitlement to the land.
>> `Kidnapped'?
>
>'Captured'.. There - that better?
A bit.
>>>the Germans did in Russia (or the British in Africa or the US in
>>>Vietnam etc etc).
>>
>> No. They did that in 1948.
>
>As did the Arabs pre-and post 1948. A lot of nastiness happened in the
>area at that time. As the Israelis own schoolbooks admit.
No, they don't. Israel has only now issued school books admitting it,
and only for use in Arab schools.
Colin Irvine
the following:
>Des <d...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>And the British. And the Irish. And the US. And every other country.
>>>
>>> No actually. I can think of a few countries that haven't invaded
>>> anywhere else: Canada, Ireland (unless you count the Fenians invading
>>> Canada), Finland (?), Lebanon, a lot of Latin America, quite a bit of
>>> Asia.
>>
>>.. Israel...
>
>Now you're just being a troll, cunt!
I'm surprised you bother - troll is the only possible explanation for
his continuous racist garbage, and the first rule with trolls is
"ignore them". Difficult in Des' case, given the sheer volume of shite
he produces, which is why for once I've resorted to the killfile. Why
have the technology if you don't use it!
--
Colin Irvine
YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
Lucifer
> M J Carley <ens...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > In the referenced article, phil-s...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
> >>In article <JLMusu.Dr4.B.mi...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
> >>I know they went to war to recover their kidnapped soldier in Lebannon
> >>but they would not be the first country to have done that by any means.
> > `Kidnapped'?
>
>
> >>Germans did in Russia (or the British in Africa or the US in Vietnam etc
> >>etc).
> > No. They did that in 1948.
>
> previously.
Ahahahahaha, tehehehehe. Of shit you are serious.
Judea has changed hands plenty of times, after all, didn't the Jews
take it by conquest initially? Shall we return it to the Romans, the
Persians, the Makedonians, the Seleucids, Egyptians, or what? Why
don't we restore Britain to the druids while we are at it?
Lucifer
> > 'Captured'.. There - that better?
>
So what is it when Israel seizes Palestinians from Palestine, or
whistleblowers from Italy?
M J Carley
>> And if they were taken in Lebanon?
>
>Then they should be subject to whatever penalties the Lebanon inflicts on
>those who cross its borders illegally. Once that is done, he should be
>returned to his family in Israel.
There is a difference between someone crossing a border illegally and
a member of the armed forces crossing a border illegally.
M J Carley
`God's work, as described in the special book.'
Phil Launchbury
> In the referenced article, phil...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>In article <JLMyKJ.J7...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>>
>>Let me rephrase: "in the modern historical era - when did Israel do
>>10:1 killings"?
>
> Not to my knowledge.
So in other words this whole argument is a waste of time.. (no surprise
there!).
>>> `Kidnapped'?
>>
>>'Captured'.. There - that better?
>
> A bit.
We please to aim.
>>> No. They did that in 1948.
>>
>>As did the Arabs pre-and post 1948. A lot of nastiness happened in the
>>area at that time. As the Israelis own schoolbooks admit.
>
> No, they don't. Israel has only now issued school books admitting it,
Your two statements conflict. Either they do or they don't.. (and you
obviously missed the bit about people calling for them to be used in
both Jewish and Arab schools).
Either way it's a good start.
Phil
M J Carley
>In article <JLn0vn.Mo...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley wrote:
>> Not to my knowledge.
>So in other words this whole argument is a waste of time.. (no
>surprise there!).
But I never said they did. They probably have done in a number of
conflicts but not by picking out ten people at a time and killing them.
>> No, they don't. Israel has only now issued school books admitting it,
>Your two statements conflict. Either they do or they don't.. (and you
>obviously missed the bit about people calling for them to be used in
>both Jewish and Arab schools).
I didn't miss it: it's irrelevant.