Air compressors (refers: Aldi)
Rudy Lacchin
Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own brand),
2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m hose, jetwash
and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time I got there
they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
Did anyone buy one? Are they any good? Do I have to spend £150 for an
equivalent "AirMaster" or "Clarke" model from Machine Mart?
Will that sort of spec give me enough air flow to spray a small-ish item
like a boot spoiler?
BTW, peeve of the Week from the Aldi Web site FAQ: "Why are Aldi stores not
listed in the phone book? The Store Manager or Area Manager handles all
customer enquiries, so the easiest way to contact them is by returning to
the store. This way our service to customers is prompt and personal."
--
R.
The Older Gentleman
> Hi FOAKs,
>
> Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own brand),
> 2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m hose, jetwash
> and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time I got there
> they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
>
> Did anyone buy one? Are they any good? Do I have to spend £150 for an
> equivalent "AirMaster" or "Clarke" model from Machine Mart?
I bought an Aldi one and spent another £15 on a rattle gun and sockets.
Haven't used the compressor for anything other than doing tyres so far,
but it seems good, and it has a three year guarantee. Bargain, IMHO.
>
> Will that sort of spec give me enough air flow to spray a small-ish item
> like a boot spoiler?
>
No idea.
> BTW, peeve of the Week from the Aldi Web site FAQ: "Why are Aldi stores not
> listed in the phone book? The Store Manager or Area Manager handles all
> customer enquiries, so the easiest way to contact them is by returning to
> the store. This way our service to customers is prompt and personal."
Aldi stores have *always* been ex-directory. The company is very
secretive. As its its founder, who really is The Invisible Man. Google
for Theo Albrecht (that's how the name came about, btw: ALbrech
DIscount).
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Fr Jack
>Hi FOAKs,
>
>Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own brand),
>2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m hose, jetwash
>and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time I got there
>they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
They've still got some, up here...
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Bereft of style.
Doki
"Rudy Lacchin" <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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I have one, and yes, they are good value.
They're usually sold as Wolf Air compressors for rather more money. You'd be
able to spray small items with it happily.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> typed
>Hi FOAKs,
>
>Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own
>brand), 2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m
>hose, jetwash and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the
>time I got there they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and
>Cheltenham shops.
Last time I checked (Friday) they still had a number in the Hoddesdon
branch. Want me to buy one and UR it to you?
--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"
It's important is that last ell.
Buzby
> Rudy Lacchin <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi FOAKs,
> >
> > Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft"
> > (own brand), 2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre
> > inflator. 10m hose, jetwash and paint spray gun, all for £82.00.
> > Of course, by the time I got there they'd all gone from both the
> > Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
You were well and truly done!
I got the exact same one mid November for £59 from our local Aldi.
This week I bought all the air tools bar the stapler gun.
Yesterday I was under orders to remove the ceramic floor tiles from the
bathroom - the air chisel made very short work of it, although I
suspect the comopressor was working at the upper end of it's capacity,
but by working in short bren gun type bursts it proved no problem.
A bargain? Most certainly - even at £82
--
Buzby
"There's nothing more dangerous than a resourceful idiot"
Buzby
> Buzby wrote:
>
> > The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> > > Rudy Lacchin <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi FOAKs,
> > > >
> > > > Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor
> >
> > I got the exact same one mid November for £59 from our local Aldi.
> >
> > This week I bought all the air tools bar the stapler gun.
> >
> > Yesterday I was under orders to remove the ceramic floor tiles from
> > the bathroom - the air chisel made very short work of it, although I
> > suspect the comopressor was working at the upper end of it's
> > capacity, but by working in short bren gun type bursts it proved no
> > problem.
>
> I've killed two of those air chisels in the last 12 months, so don't
> expect it to last. They do kinda do the job, but it's a bit like
> breaking up concrete with a rolled up newspaper compared to a decent
> SDS.
They do have a three year guarantee though. Mind you, at those prices
I've nearly had my moneys worth already from the grin factor - but
point taken.
frag
>
> it's a bit like
> breaking up concrete with a rolled up newspaper compared to a decent
> SDS.
Oh fuck, that made me laugh!
--
frag
Kawasaki ZX10R D6, Kawasaki ZX9R E1
T i m
>They're usually sold as Wolf Air compressors for rather more money. You'd be
>able to spray small items with it happily.
I just merged a Wolf Air 24 l reservoir with a Bambi Air silent
compressor pump and now have a compressor I can use without earplugs!
Unlike the Sealey 3hp, 50 l, V twin, 10 cfm (delivery) direct drive
jobby but at least that can nearly keep up with most these cheap air
tools (die grinder / drill etc).
T i m
Beav
"Rudy Lacchin" <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own
> brand), 2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m
> hose, jetwash and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time
> I got there they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
>
> Did anyone buy one? Are they any good? Do I have to spend £150 for an
> equivalent "AirMaster" or "Clarke" model from Machine Mart?
>
> Will that sort of spec give me enough air flow to spray a small-ish item
> like a boot spoiler?
That depends on the spray gun you use. If you buy one that's matched to the
air delivery output of the compressor, then yes, but if you buy/have one
that requires subsantially more air (at the correct psi) than the compressor
can provide, you'll struggle and that will result in a paint finsh that's
"dry" or "orange peely".
>
> BTW, peeve of the Week from the Aldi Web site FAQ: "Why are Aldi stores
> not listed in the phone book? The Store Manager or Area Manager handles
> all customer enquiries, so the easiest way to contact them is by returning
> to the store. This way our service to customers is prompt and personal."
That's probably quicker and cheaper than getting an answer from an off-shore
call centre though.
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Rudy Lacchin
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> "Rudy Lacchin" <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Last week Aldi ran a special on an air compressor: "Powercraft" (own
>>brand),
>>2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m hose,
>>jetwash
>>and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time I got there
>>they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
>
> They've still got some, up here...
Dare I ask whereabouts that might be?
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Rudy Lacchin
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> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Rudy Lacchin
> <te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> typed
>>
>>brand), 2.5HP, 270 lit/min, 24 litre capacity, with tyre inflator. 10m
>>hose, jetwash and paint spray gun, all for £82.00. Of course, by the time
>>I got there they'd all gone from both the Gloucester and Cheltenham shops.
>
> Last time I checked (Friday) they still had a number in the Hoddesdon
> branch. Want me to buy one and UR it to you?
YHM.
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R.
platypus
There's a stack of them in the Aldi in Thornbury.
Frooty
"Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in message
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I certainly wouldn't buy on the basis of the 3 years guarantee, the first 30
days you can take it back to the shop (where, to be fair, I've had great
service & no problem getting an exchange or refund), however, after this you
have to call the 'service centre' - have a wee look at the telephone number
for the guarantee, it's a German number straight to an answering machine
where it's (obviously) answered in German!
I tried resolving issues with two electrical items (mains drill &
rechargeable screwdriver) without any satisfactory result - both within the
first year.
Fr Jack
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Rudy Lacchin"
<te...@REMOVE.THISblueyonder.co.uk> saying something like:
>BTW, peeve of the Week from the Aldi Web site FAQ: "Why are Aldi stores not
>listed in the phone book? The Store Manager or Area Manager handles all
>customer enquiries, so the easiest way to contact them is by returning to
>the store. This way our service to customers is prompt and personal."
Which of course is bullshit.
They're not listed so they don't get bothered by pesky charity donation
solicitation calls and the like. Also cusstomers.
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>>They're usually sold as Wolf Air compressors for rather more money. You'd be
>>able to spray small items with it happily.
>
>I just merged a Wolf Air 24 l reservoir with a Bambi Air silent
>compressor pump and now have a compressor I can use without earplugs!
Also, you can use a low-capacity compresser to keep an additional air
reservoir topped up in parallel to the first one. Beer kegs being the
favourite for this.
T i m
Hmm, whilst I was quite happy playing God with these two existing
compressors I'm not quite sure how keen (brave / stupid?) *I* would be
playing with 'other' stuff like that (but I know many people do).
I have a couple of those 15kg Calor gas bottles empty that keep
beckoning me to do something along those lines with them but for most
of the stuff I'd be doing with air I need continuous flow [1] rather
than just even a medium burst of air (using an air angle grinder round
my mates I've had his 3phase 150 l compressor running nearly
continuously).
And that brings me to another issue with air.
I was using a little die grinder with an abrasive disk the other day
to clean up some steel and my 9.2cfm (delivered, 12 off load) 3kW
compressor was only just keeping up. That means I was effectively
running a 3kW tool where a 750W electric equivalent would have been
far more efficient (and compact, considering the compressor as well)
and quiet! So, whilst I now have a fair bit of Air based kit I think
I'll try to use it for those jobs where it is the best (or only)
solution, like spraying, tyre inflation, a bit of shot blasting and
brake caliper piston removal (where it's at it's best)!
Oh, and I try not to do any such work in the rain (where air would be
safer). ;-)
T i m
[1] I have one of those very noisy but very light / portable 240V
instant compressors (£60, Makro) that is ideal for pumping up tyres
and blowing the crap out of PC's and similar stuff. Because it's so
loud the trick is running just inside an outside door but taking the
business end outside where it's quieter and better for blowing dust
about. ;-)
Mick Whittingham
<fro...@ATdsl.pipex.com> writes
I bought a dirt cheap angle grinder off of ALDI a few years ago (sub
£10) and after a good deal of abuse the gears in the gearbox died.
I noticed a German web address on the side, the manufacturer not ALDI,
so I emailed them and said that "I know it was a cheap tool but how much
for a new gear set?"
I got an email back immediately from a guy saying:
"They were not cheap gears, they were the same as supplied to (he gave
me a list of top tool manufactures) and that replacement gears would be
in the post immediately!
Two days later by special delivery comes a new set of gears, no charge!
--
Mick Whittingham
'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
Beav
"T i m" <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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The cheap die grinders are *really* air hungry, (so quite expensive to run
compared to electric ones) as are most cheap air tools, but I had a shiny
new Snap-on mini D/A delivered today that uses a mere 2.2cfm @ 100psi.
15000rpm and less than 4mm of "swirl" and it's the quietest air tool I've
used. My Clarke (Machine Mart) die grinder uses around 10cfm (much the same
as yours) and gives me a fucking headache when use it. I must say though,
it's been as reliable as fuck. 7 years of regular use and nothing more than
the occasional squirt of oil.
Mick Whittingham
<ne...@spaced.me.uk> writes
I know what you mean.
I've got a V twin direct drive 3hp compressor.
I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> I was using a little die grinder with an abrasive disk the other day
>> to clean up some steel and my 9.2cfm (delivered, 12 off load) 3kW
>> compressor was only just keeping up.
<snip>
>
>The cheap die grinders are *really* air hungry, (so quite expensive to run
>compared to electric ones) as are most cheap air tools,
I guessed as much but beggars etc ..
>but I had a shiny
>new Snap-on mini D/A delivered today that uses a mere 2.2cfm @ 100psi.
>15000rpm and less than 4mm of "swirl" and it's the quietest air tool I've
>used.
Sweet.
> My Clarke (Machine Mart) die grinder uses around 10cfm (much the same
>as yours) and gives me a fucking headache when use it.
I can't say the tool itself was that noisy as such and it also worked
pretty well.
> I must say though,
>it's been as reliable as fuck. 7 years of regular use and nothing more than
>the occasional squirt of oil.
Nice. My idea was to test the concept of these tools via the cheapos
then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live
without said.
Today daughter was working on her MZ (taking off the small / broken
screen, replacing the Kawasaki master cylinder with a genuine one) and
I nearly fired up the compressor to try the air wrench but remembered
I still need to get the PCL connectors.
Cheers, T i m
The Older Gentleman
> I have one of those very noisy but very light / portable 240V
> instant compressors (£60, Makro) that is ideal for blowing the crap out of
> PC's
<Mac user nods approvingly>
T i m
<Mi...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I know what you mean.
>I've got a V twin direct drive 3hp compressor.
>
>I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
It's funny, when you try it to see how loud it is you think "hmm,
that's not too bad" ... then you try to talk to yer mate when it's
running.
I intend to try to put mine in a sort of ventilated acoustic box in
the hope it will at least take the edge off the noise.
T i m
T i m
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have one of those very noisy but very light / portable 240V
>> instant compressors (£60, Makro) that is ideal for blowing the crap out of
>> PC's
>
><Mac user nods approvingly>
Hehe
<Mac Mini running XP replies>
No, to do that properly I generally keep back a few air-bombs (is this
now back on topic?) and coincidentally found a floppy bay blanking
panel in the garden this afternoon when moving the bikes about. ;-)
To blow the crap out of a caravan I'm led to believe 1oz 12G 6's are
pretty effective (and a good few boxes at that). <weg>
T i m
Beav
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:22:14 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> I was using a little die grinder with an abrasive disk the other day
>>> to clean up some steel and my 9.2cfm (delivered, 12 off load) 3kW
>>> compressor was only just keeping up.
> <snip>
>>
>>The cheap die grinders are *really* air hungry, (so quite expensive to run
>>compared to electric ones) as are most cheap air tools,
>
> I guessed as much but beggars etc ..
I've got a raft of cheap air tools from Machine Mart (same stuff as Aldi
arre flogging I'd guess) and none of them have failed spectacularly. Some
have slowly died (a flat bed sander being one) but that was a tool I bought
for a specific job and it did that, so anything else was a bnus. A bonus
that lasted ~5 years.
>
>>but I had a shiny
>>new Snap-on mini D/A delivered today that uses a mere 2.2cfm @ 100psi.
>>15000rpm and less than 4mm of "swirl" and it's the quietest air tool I've
>>used.
>
> Sweet.
Unbelievable thing it is. It doesn't even require a gloved hand to soak up
vibes or protect from icy wind.
>
>> My Clarke (Machine Mart) die grinder uses around 10cfm (much the same
>>as yours) and gives me a fucking headache when use it.
>
> I can't say the tool itself was that noisy as such and it also worked
> pretty well.
Not as noisy as the air chisel, but still annoyingly loud when compared to
our Snap-on stuff. (D/A, Palm Sander, 3/8 Drill, air ratchets).
>
>> I must say though,
>>it's been as reliable as fuck. 7 years of regular use and nothing more
>>than
>>the occasional squirt of oil.
>
> Nice. My idea was to test the concept of these tools via the cheapos
> then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live
> without said.
The cheapo's aren't *that* bad, but the higher quality ones make a
difference if you're using them regularly. For home use, there's no way I'd
pay 120 quid for a mini D/Asander, but at the bodyshop, I would. Our "old"
Snap-on normal sized D/A was ~180 quid IIRC, but it's been worth every
penny. My Clarke home used D/A cost pennies (and not many of them) and it
does the job, but not as quickly or as cleanly (the eccentric movement it
too large on the cheap one), so I have to handball a job for the last bit
before painting.
>
> Today daughter was working on her MZ (taking off the small / broken
> screen, replacing the Kawasaki master cylinder with a genuine one) and
> I nearly fired up the compressor to try the air wrench but remembered
> I still need to get the PCL connectors.
Speaking of which, how's this for ridiculous. I can by any number of air
tools/spray guns from Machine Mart which are advertised as "HLVP" (High
Volume Low Pressure) but they don't fucking sell HVLP connectors, just
normal PCL's which are too restrictive for true HVLP operation. They had NO
fucking idea what I was talking about when I asked for them. Back to Sealey
for those things.
Beav
"Mick Whittingham" <Mi...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <7molq4d42ct6r9498...@4ax.com>, T i m
> <ne...@spaced.me.uk> writes
>>On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:45:00 -0000, "Doki" <mrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They're usually sold as Wolf Air compressors for rather more money. You'd
>>>be
>>>able to spray small items with it happily.
>>
>>I just merged a Wolf Air 24 l reservoir with a Bambi Air silent
>>compressor pump and now have a compressor I can use without earplugs!
>>
>>Unlike the Sealey 3hp, 50 l, V twin, 10 cfm (delivery) direct drive
>>jobby but at least that can nearly keep up with most these cheap air
>>tools (die grinder / drill etc).
>>
>
> I know what you mean.
> I've got a V twin direct drive 3hp compressor.
>
> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
Beav
Along with the edge off the top of the pistns when it overheats. IOW, don't
do it. Well not unless you can get good airflow through the fan and
remember, the exit for the air needs to be roughly 3 times the inlet to
account for expansion.
zym...@technologist.com
> "T i m" <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote in messagenews:av9oq4lle2ercuvk0...@4ax.com...
> > then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live without said.
When I apprenticed, I bought a 1/2" drive rattle gun and a 3/8" air
ratchet.
I used the air impact wrench every day, but the air ratchet sat
gathering dust.
Really, what's the point of them ?
P.
Andy Bonwick
wrote:
snip>
>When I apprenticed, I bought a 1/2" drive rattle gun and a 3/8" air
>ratchet.
>
>I used the air impact wrench every day, but the air ratchet sat
>gathering dust.
>
>Really, what's the point of them ?
>
The impact tool will fuck up the fasteners in a much shorter space of
time than the normal air ratchet. It doesn't matter if they're not
your fasteners but when they are the difference becomes important.
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> I guessed as much but beggars etc ..
>
>I've got a raft of cheap air tools from Machine Mart (same stuff as Aldi
>arre flogging I'd guess) and none of them have failed spectacularly.
Same here really. I did buy a ~100000 piece socket set the other day
off the market for a fiver and both of the ratchet wrenches were crap
(as expected). However that's a very large box of spacers and bench
press mandrels for the money. ;-)
> Some
>have slowly died (a flat bed sander being one) but that was a tool I bought
>for a specific job and it did that, so anything else was a bnus. A bonus
>that lasted ~5 years.
Yup, I started on that principle as a lad working on my mopeds etc.
Buy the flywheel puller rather than put the bike in for repair so had
it for the next time and probably saved money on the job at the same
time (even if there wasn't ever an official 'next time' it could
often be adapted and used for other things). Similar buying a decent
circular saw and full 8x4 sheets of chipboard rather than loft_hatch
sized floor boards when I bought this place. Job done, free saw and
tools were much more expensive then.
>>
>
>Unbelievable thing it is. It doesn't even require a gloved hand to soak up
>vibes or protect from icy wind.
I notice some of the cheaper tools have such rubber sleeves and notes
about which way the exhaust air blows (ie, not up yer sleeve or in
your face). ;-)
>>
>> I can't say the tool itself was that noisy as such and it also worked
>> pretty well.
>
>Not as noisy as the air chisel, but still annoyingly loud when compared to
>our Snap-on stuff. (D/A, Palm Sander, 3/8 Drill, air ratchets).
And probably to be expected (design / price etc). I think my mate
(normally a Snap-On zone) has a Blue Point die grinder that does
indeed feel 'better' than my £10 ebay jobby.
>
>> Nice. My idea was to test the concept of these tools via the cheapos
>> then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live
>> without said.
>
>The cheapo's aren't *that* bad, but the higher quality ones make a
>difference if you're using them regularly. For home use, there's no way I'd
>pay 120 quid for a mini D/Asander, but at the bodyshop, I would. Our "old"
>Snap-on normal sized D/A was ~180 quid IIRC, but it's been worth every
>penny.
Whilst I don't earn my living form such these days on a similar vein I
treated myself to a Wi-Spy thingy that allows you to look at the WiFi
spectrum to check for rogue transmissions etc. £100 well spent to be
able to *see* exactly going on out there and quickly resolve the
otherwise un resolvable. It's funny, many people will struggle with
problematic WiFi networks and say they can't justify buying such a
gadget yet will spend the same or more on something trivial that
doesn't actually improve their lives one iota?
> My Clarke home used D/A cost pennies (and not many of them) and it
>does the job, but not as quickly or as cleanly (the eccentric movement it
>too large on the cheap one), so I have to handball a job for the last bit
>before painting.
<nods>
>
>>
>> Today daughter was working on her MZ (taking off the small / broken
>> screen, replacing the Kawasaki master cylinder with a genuine one) and
>> I nearly fired up the compressor to try the air wrench but remembered
>> I still need to get the PCL connectors.
>
>Speaking of which, how's this for ridiculous. I can by any number of air
>tools/spray guns from Machine Mart which are advertised as "HLVP" (High
>Volume Low Pressure) but they don't fucking sell HVLP connectors, just
>normal PCL's which are too restrictive for true HVLP operation.
Oh?
> They had NO
>fucking idea what I was talking about when I asked for them. Back to Sealey
>for those things.
Hmm, whilst I understand your enquiry I admit I wouldn't have
consciously considered the coupler that way (as a potential air-flow
restriction), well until now that is. And would the coupler have as
big an impact on the flow rate as any filters / oilers / regs / hoses
etc? What sort of HV gear are we talking about especially?
I think I went with PCL because that's what a couple of mates had and
they in turn had settled on them as being the most reliable / hard
wearing out of the others they have tried. I think my garage owning
mate uses a connector supplied through Snap-On.
What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
would you know please?
Cheers, T i m
T i m
wrote:
>> > Nice. My idea was to test the concept of these tools via the cheapos
>> > then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live without said.
>
>When I apprenticed, I bought a 1/2" drive rattle gun and a 3/8" air
>ratchet.
>
>I used the air impact wrench every day, but the air ratchet sat
>gathering dust.
>
>Really, what's the point of them ?
Erm, I'm not sure TBH but it's one of those things you do (I did) when
you see something so cheap (compared to the price they have been for
many years say) you feel you would be mad not to buy one.
Having said that I've seen my mate in the garage using his rattle gun
many many times from everyday (cage) wheel removal to unshiftable
crank nuts (he even bought a more powerful jobby for the latter) and
it does seem to work more often than not. However as with all this
stuff you probably have to know when you should and shouldn't use
them.
As for the air ratchet ... undoing a whole bunch of nuts / bolts. of
the right size (for that sort of tool) maybe? Or doing similar up
*once* you have started them properly with yer fingers and know the
threads are good?
Cheers, T i m
p.s. Tha Aldi air wrench is the only one of the three air tools where
it won't go back in it's case once you have fitted the airline
connector to it (well, not without some tweaking with a burr in the
die grinder). ;-)
zym...@technologist.com
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:13:02 -0800 (PST), zymu...@technologist.com
> wrote:
>
> >the air ratchet sat gathering dust.
>
> >Really, what's the point of them ?
>
> Erm, I'm not sure TBH
>
> the right size (for that sort of tool) maybe? Or doing similar up
> *once* you have started them properly with yer fingers and know the
> threads are good?
No, they're slow, noisy, cumbersome and shit for working on engines.
HTH
Paul.
Jeweller
Mine's a triple[1].
Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
[1]I presume you're talking about the pistons stuffing air
into the tank.
--
Jeweller
R100RT
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo,
R80/7, R100RT (green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk
T i m
wrote:
>On 3 Mar, 08:38, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
<puts ratchet spanner back in it's case>
Maybe ours will appear on Antiques Roadshow in 50 years, highly valued
as they have never been used and still in their boxes? ;-)
T i m
T i m
>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>
>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>
>>
>
>Mine's a triple[1].
Ooooo ...
>Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
Hmm, they tended to use the Bambi pumps (which weren't oil free
AFAIK).
>Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
You won't be able to, sell it to me and cut yer losses. ;-)
>
>
>[1]I presume you're talking about the pistons stuffing air
>into the tank.
Yup. Is yours like this (bottom picture).
http://www.bambi-air.co.uk/applications/medical-dental-general.html
If it was I was watching one on eBay a while back but 1) It was *way*
Up Norf (and collect only) and 2) ended up a bit rich for me.
I now have one of those pumps on a 24l Wolf receiver (sort of
Wolfenstine's compressor) and it works very well. There aren't many
compressors you can run in the room next to the one she's watching TV
in and her not hear it running at all. ;-)
T i m
p.s. If it's not the design in the picture you can keep the noisy
bastard thing.
zym...@technologist.com
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:03:02 -0800 (PST), zymu...@technologist.com
Heh, I gave my original one away (or swapped it for something else)
and i've managed to acquire another one of the cursed things.
Anyone want one ?
Paul.
Jeweller
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:35:49 GMT, Jeweller <dgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>>
>>>
>> Mine's a triple[1].
>
> Ooooo ...
>
> T i m
>
> p.s. If it's not the design in the picture you can keep the noisy
> bastard thing.
It's a noisy bastard thing from Germany.
Jeweller
I'm beginning to acquire these accessories.
Then I'll learn how to use them.
The sand-blaster comes first.
T i m
>T i m wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:35:49 GMT, Jeweller <dgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Mine's a triple[1].
>>
>> Ooooo ...
>>
>
>> T i m
>>
>> p.s. If it's not the design in the picture you can keep the noisy
>> bastard thing.
>
>It's a noisy bastard thing from Germany.
Ah, meh ... ;-)
T i m
T i m
wrote:
>> <puts ratchet spanner back in it's case>
>> Maybe ours will appear on Antiques Roadshow in 50 years, highly valued
>> as they have never been used and still in their boxes? ;-)
>
>Heh, I gave my original one away (or swapped it for something else)
>and i've managed to acquire another one of the cursed things.
>
>Anyone want one ?
Is it the 3/8" version, if so I might like to play?
Cheers, T i m
Mick Whittingham
<dgho...@gmail.com> writes
>T i m wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:35:49 GMT, Jeweller <dgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Mine's a triple[1].
>> Ooooo ...
>>
>
>> T i m
>> p.s. If it's not the design in the picture you can keep the noisy
>> bastard thing.
>
>It's a noisy bastard thing from Germany.
>
Mine is a noisy bastard thing from France.
Le Roy Merlin Boulogne.
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> I intend to try to put mine in a sort of ventilated acoustic box in
>> the hope it will at least take the edge off the noise.
>
>Along with the edge off the top of the pistns when it overheats. IOW, don't
>do it. Well not unless you can get good airflow through the fan and
>remember, the exit for the air needs to be roughly 3 times the inlet to
>account for expansion.
Understood and warning noted.
The problem is it (they are) really too noisy to use 1) near me
(Tinnitus) and 2) near anyone else in a residential area, not only for
the noise but the sort of people it might attract.
So, a carpet lined and baffled box, as big as I can give space around
the compressor with inlet and/or exhaust fans etc.
That's assuming I can't get away with just the Bambi / Wolf hybrid in
which case I can't hear that over the lathe!
Cheers, T i m
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> saying
something like:
>Whilst I don't earn my living form such these days on a similar vein I
>treated myself to a Wi-Spy thingy that allows you to look at the WiFi
>spectrum to check for rogue transmissions etc. £100 well spent to be
>able to *see* exactly going on out there and quickly resolve the
>otherwise un resolvable. It's funny, many people will struggle with
>problematic WiFi networks and say they can't justify buying such a
>gadget yet will spend the same or more on something trivial that
>doesn't actually improve their lives one iota?
>
>http://www.metageek.net/
Only 800dollah. I'll stick with Netstumbler for the moment.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> saying
something like:
>What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
>would you know please?
If fitted at all, it's often a PCL-alike, but totally non-compatible.
Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
/whatever you've standardised on in your workshop. Bear in mind that if
you stick with the unknown cheapy standard you'll always be farting
about making adapters or changing fittings or simply have a load of
difficulty finding more of the same. I've just had a look at the cheapy
no-name ones that came with a cheapy air tool kit and no sign of a
maker's name is to be found.
I replaced them all with PCL anyway, and used the rejected fittings to
make up a solid tyre inflater.
zym...@technologist.com
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> something like:
>
> >What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
> >would you know please?
>
> If fitted at all, it's often a PCL-alike, but totally non-compatible.
> Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
coupler sockets on it.
Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
Paul.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
zym...@technologist.com typed
Iron is good. Don't be tempted to use copper plumbing pipe. Rumour has
it on the metalworking sites that it can work-harden with the
pressurisation cycles and eventually grenade.
I don't know it that's really true, or urbane miff, but it's not
something I'd personally chance.
--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"
It's important is that last ell.
Mark Olson
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
> zym...@technologist.com typed
>> I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
>> coupler sockets on it.
>>
>> Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
>
> Iron is good. Don't be tempted to use copper plumbing pipe. Rumour has
> it on the metalworking sites that it can work-harden with the
> pressurisation cycles and eventually grenade.
>
> I don't know it that's really true, or urbane miff, but it's not
> something I'd personally chance.
I'm looking at a factory pressurized air installation right now (~100 psi)
and it's done in rigid copper. All work of this type is done by licensed
union pros, and the company I work for is very strictly regulated, so I'm
pretty sure it is per code and therefore safe.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<ols...@tiny.invalid> typed
Fairy nuff. Looks like myth then.
Mark Olson
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Mark Olson
> <ols...@tiny.invalid> typed
>> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
>>> zym...@technologist.com typed
>>
>>>> I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
>>>> coupler sockets on it.
>>>>
>>>> Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
>>> Iron is good. Don't be tempted to use copper plumbing pipe. Rumour
>>> has it on the metalworking sites that it can work-harden with the
>>> pressurisation cycles and eventually grenade.
>>> I don't know it that's really true, or urbane miff, but it's not
>>> something I'd personally chance.
>>
>> I'm looking at a factory pressurized air installation right now (~100
>> psi)
>> and it's done in rigid copper. All work of this type is done by licensed
>> union pros, and the company I work for is very strictly regulated, so I'm
>> pretty sure it is per code and therefore safe.
>
> Fairy nuff. Looks like myth then.
To be fair not all copper is equal- I believe the bendy type is not
recommended. A little googling turned up a few useful links. One
thing to consider is that unless you have an exceptional dryer installed
before your pipework, iron pipe will rust fairly quickly since there is
always water in air systems.
http://ezinearticles.com/?What-Is-The-Best-Type-Of-Pipe-To-Use-For-A-Compressed-Air-Distribution-System-In-My-Home-Wood-Shop?&id=401784
http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/techref/cth/tables/cth_table1.html
zym...@technologist.com
wrote:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Mark Olson
> <ols...@tiny.invalid> typed
>
>
>
>
>
> >Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
>
> >>> I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
> >>> coupler sockets on it.
>
> >>> Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
> >> Iron is good. Don't be tempted to use copper plumbing pipe. Rumour
> >>has it on the metalworking sites that it can work-harden with the
> >>pressurisation cycles and eventually grenade.
> >> I don't know it that's really true, or urbane miff, but it's not
> >>something I'd personally chance.
>
> >I'm looking at a factory pressurized air installation right now (~100 psi)
> >and it's done in rigid copper. All work of this type is done by licensed
> >union pros, and the company I work for is very strictly regulated, so I'm
> >pretty sure it is per code and therefore safe.
>
> Fairy nuff. Looks like myth then.
I wouldn't do air in anything else. Copper is just too fragile.
I'm sure that the installation that Mark is looking at isn't using
domestic CH pipe ..
P.
zym...@technologist.com
wrote:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 3 Mar, 13:16, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> >> drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> saying
> >> something like:
>
> >> >What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
> >> >would you know please?
>
> >> If fitted at all, it's often a PCL-alike, but totally non-compatible.
> >> Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
>
> >I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
> >coupler sockets on it.
>
> >Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
>
> Iron is good.
yeah, this all started when I picked up a huge variable tapered thread
BSP cutting die for the pipe. Shortly followed by all the iron
fittings/plugs etc.
The pipe isn't easy to source in small quantities, and it's not cheap.
Since I was cladding the garage anyway, I wanted the pipework in
first.
If anyone else wants this done, let me know. I have a huge amount of
time on my hands ATM :)
> Don't be tempted to use copper plumbing pipe.
Never !
Paul.
T i m
As I say, mine was £100 at the time which what still quite a lot for
me and considering the number of times one might use it in anger etc.
However, I don't think you can compare what it can do with the likes
of Netstumbler (and I use both).
Example. Mates, Ex's house. WiFi was working fine then nothing (well
something but no range). Mate has been round with Netstumbler, swapped
routers and found nothing. I go round with Wi-Spy and instantly find
*something* sitting across half the band. We start switching stuff off
like the power to all his HiFi / TV Sky and bingo, a clear band again.
We turn bits on one_at_a_time and get to his surround sound system and
the jamming is back.
It turns out his SS system uses 'wireless' to feed the remote speakers
and it had 'gone wrong' some time previous and they were happy to
leave it off. No 'WiFi' monitor would have found it because it wasn't
a WiFi signal.
A similar scenario was found to be a TV sender although it can also be
baby alarms, Wireless CCTV and car alarms these days.
I knew too many people (friends / family) who had suffered with WiFi
issues (who generally call on me to sort them out) to not have one.
;-)
T i m
p.s. If I really want to frighten people I tell them to turn the
microwave on and they can see the leakage from that from across the
house at equal power to the WiFi AP I'm sitting next to!
T i m
wrote:
A mate has done similar in his cycle shop but with plastic push-fit
airline and I'm considering doing similar in the workshop.
>
>Saves farting around with lots of flexi-hose.
Yup.
T i m
zym...@technologist.com
It's heavy, i'll probably bring it to the BOSM, so you can both fight
over it ..
P.
T i m
<grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> saying
>something like:
>
>>What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
>>would you know please?
>
>If fitted at all, it's often a PCL-alike, but totally non-compatible.
Are they the same as you see advertised as 'universal' (implying they
probably fit f all).
>Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
>/whatever you've standardised on in your workshop.
PCL. Seem to work ok but I was interested in what Beav was saying re
HVLP and restrictions within the connectors.
> Bear in mind that if
>you stick with the unknown cheapy standard you'll always be farting
>about making adapters or changing fittings or simply have a load of
>difficulty finding more of the same.
Indeed.
>I've just had a look at the cheapy
>no-name ones that came with a cheapy air tool kit and no sign of a
>maker's name is to be found.
Ok.
>I replaced them all with PCL anyway, and used the rejected fittings to
>make up a solid tyre inflater.
I've got enough of the 'unknown' fittings unused to make up an eBay
lot! ;-)
T i m
Jeweller
I can't get to BOSM this year.
T i m
>>>> Heh, I gave my original one away (or swapped it for something else)
>>>> and i've managed to acquire another one of the cursed things.
>>>> Anyone want one ?
>>>> Paul.
>>> Yes please!
>>> I'm beginning to acquire these accessories.
>>> Then I'll learn how to use them.
>>
>> It's heavy, i'll probably bring it to the BOSM, so you can both fight
>> over it ..
>>
>> P.
>>
>In that case it's Tim's.
>I can't get to BOSM this year.
And I won't be going either I shouldn't think and as you got in first.
There must be someone going who lives your way?
If there isn't then I'm still up for second dibs assuming it's a 3/8"
sq drive (I have a 1/2" sq drive) and assuming some friendly soul is
going that lives my way (N Lundin / Herts) and wouldn't mind swapping
the carriage of said for a 4 pack?
Did I read here WUN is in Hoddesdon?
Cheers, T i m
zym...@technologist.com
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:22:57 -0800 (PST), zymu...@technologist.com
> wrote:
>
> >On 3 Mar, 13:16, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> >> drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> saying
> >> something like:
>
> >> >What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
> >> >would you know please?
>
> >> If fitted at all, it's often a PCL-alike, but totally non-compatible.
> >> Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
>
> >I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
> >coupler sockets on it.
>
> A mate has done similar in his cycle shop but with plastic push-fit
> airline and I'm considering doing similar in the workshop.
Iron is more forgiving to knocks and scrapes in a cramped workshop ..
Cheers,
Paul.
T i m
wrote:
>>
>> >I have a fixed iron pipe around the workshop with several PCL quick
>> >coupler sockets on it.
>>
>> A mate has done similar in his cycle shop but with plastic push-fit
>> airline and I'm considering doing similar in the workshop.
>
>Iron is more forgiving to knocks and scrapes in a cramped workshop ..
Good point and probably more self supporting when it comes to adding
fittings etc.
However my workshop is built (so too late to but stuff behind the wall
cladding etc) and I have Spur (copy) shelving uprights every 18"
around all 3 walls. So, do the iron type pipe clips stand-off enough
to go over an upright do you think? Or do they offer different
thickness packing pieces etc?
Cheers, T i m
p.s. Ironically I've just given back my mates BSP die set!
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>> Iron is good.
>
>yeah, this all started when I picked up a huge variable tapered thread
>BSP cutting die for the pipe. Shortly followed by all the iron
>fittings/plugs etc.
You too, eh? I missed the assorted BSP cutters and holders a couple of
years ago in Lidl's, but snatched up a set last time round with just
this idea in mind.
>The pipe isn't easy to source in small quantities, and it's not cheap.
Cheap enough around here - it's still used in some small domestic CH
installations; single pipe stuff. "Gunbarrel" it's known as here, but
before I use it I will have to find out what it's rated at.
zym...@technologist.com
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> something like:
>
> >> Iron is good.
>
> >yeah, this all started when I picked up a huge variable tapered thread
> >BSP cutting die for the pipe. Shortly followed by all the iron
> >fittings/plugs etc.
>
> You too, eh? I missed the assorted BSP cutters and holders a couple of
> years ago in Lidl's, but snatched up a set last time round with just
> this idea in mind.
>
> >The pipe isn't easy to source in small quantities, and it's not cheap.
>
> Cheap enough around here - it's still used in some small domestic CH
> installations; single pipe stuff. "Gunbarrel" it's known as here, but
> before I use it I will have to find out what it's rated at.
I think I paid about £18 a length or so. It was compressed air rated
and galvanised.
Remember to leave a small tail hanging down at the lowest point with a
screw-in plug to let any condensation gather.
I crack it off every few months, so to speak.
P.
Andy Bonwick
wrote:
>On 3 Mar, 14:55, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
snip>
>> A mate has done similar in his cycle shop but with plastic push-fit
>> airline and I'm considering doing similar in the workshop.
>
>Iron is more forgiving to knocks and scrapes in a cramped workshop ..
>
I'd just use the standard 20bar 3/4" bore rubber hose that I've got a
large amount of already.
The good thing about rubber hose is that you can route it wherever you
want simply by putting up a cup hook and hanging it off a cable tie
and if it does develop a hole you either tape over it with gaffer
tape, put a fixed joint in it or throw it in the stores at work and
take a new length.
We throw our airlines off the top of buildings and people drive
forklift trucks over them on a regular basis so I suspect they'll
outlast any steel equivalent.
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>Remember to leave a small tail hanging down at the lowest point with a
>screw-in plug to let any condensation gather.
>
>I crack it off every few months, so to speak.
Good plan; I'd leave a lever valve open during downtime. My use of it
would be irregular anyway, so the system would get ample time to drain.
T i m
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>The good thing about rubber hose is that you can route it wherever you
>want simply by putting up a cup hook and hanging it off a cable tie
>and if it does develop a hole you either tape over it with gaffer
>tape, put a fixed joint in it or throw it in the stores at work and
>take a new length.
>
>We throw our airlines off the top of buildings and people drive
>forklift trucks over them on a regular basis so I suspect they'll
>outlast any steel equivalent.
And what have they done to you?
I just need a air point by the bench and another (20' away) by the
door for taking air lines outside for bike tyres / tools in the back
yard or our cars in the road.
I also considered running a plastic (or rubber?) line through the duct
between the house and garage and having an air point in the lean-to.
You never know when it might come in handy. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Andy Bonwick
>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:05:57 +0000, Andy Bonwick
snip>
>>We throw our airlines off the top of buildings and people drive
>>forklift trucks over them on a regular basis so I suspect they'll
>>outlast any steel equivalent.
>
>And what have they done to you?
>
When you've got to carry four (or more) 50' lengths of airline down a
couple of hundred feet of stairs you soon start chucking them off the
top of the building. I can carry two at a time but they feel heavy
very quickly so as long as we're cunning about where and when we throw
them off they never get carried.
People drive over them because they can't be arsed to go the long way
round and take short cuts through where we're working. We try to keep
airlines off the floor but it's not always possible and the only
indication that someone has driven over them is a momentary lapse in
power. You'll always get a cunt who parks his truck on the lines then
fucks off but we normally remove the gas bottle and hide it somewhere
or put a chain between the brake pedal and the steering wheel so they
can't drive away when they want to.
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>You'll always get a cunt who parks his truck on the lines then
>fucks off but we normally remove the gas bottle and hide it somewhere
>or put a chain between the brake pedal and the steering wheel so they
>can't drive away when they want to.
Or jack it up and let it back down on blocks that only just keep the
wheels off the ground...
T i m
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:17 +0000, T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:05:57 +0000, Andy Bonwick
>
>snip>
>
>>>We throw our airlines off the top of buildings and people drive
>>>forklift trucks over them on a regular basis so I suspect they'll
>>>outlast any steel equivalent.
>>
>>And what have they done to you?
>>
>When you've got to carry four (or more) 50' lengths of airline down a
>couple of hundred feet of stairs you soon start chucking them off the
>top of the building.
Ah.
> I can carry two at a time but they feel heavy
>very quickly so as long as we're cunning about where and when we throw
>them off they never get carried.
Understood. I have a couple of rubber airlines and they are quite
heavy (considering). I fancy one of those self-recoiling jobbies but
they always seem a bit expensive (compared with just coiling the line
up manually anyway).
>
>People drive over them because they can't be arsed to go the long way
>round and take short cuts through where we're working. We try to keep
>airlines off the floor but it's not always possible and the only
>indication that someone has driven over them is a momentary lapse in
>power.
<pictures Tom and Jerry moment looking into the business end of yer
pneumatic nail gun>
> You'll always get a cunt who parks his truck on the lines then
>fucks off but we normally remove the gas bottle and hide it somewhere
>or put a chain between the brake pedal and the steering wheel so they
>can't drive away when they want to.
Sounds like fun at your place. ;-)
Daughter is really getting into her Tree Surgery apprenticeship and
playing with all sorts of fun kit. 50' in the air on a MEWP one min
and remotely controlling a cat tracked stump grinder the next. How
nice to use kit called "The Predator R28T" or "TimberWolf 190TDHB
(Turbo)".
Maybe that's partly why she likes her "MZ ETZ 251 Saxon Tour" (or
maybe not) ...
T i m
Eddie
Do you *really* think you need to put ideas into his head?
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Beav
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>When I apprenticed, I bought a 1/2" drive rattle gun and a 3/8" air
>ratchet.
>I used the air impact wrench every day, but the air ratchet sat
>gathering dust.
>Really, what's the point of them ?
They're brilliant for working under shitty cars when there's no room to
swing a normal ratchet. Mine gets regular use on a lot of other jobs too
where laziness plays a part.
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"T i m" <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:51:44 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> I guessed as much but beggars etc ..
>>
>>I've got a raft of cheap air tools from Machine Mart (same stuff as Aldi
>>arre flogging I'd guess) and none of them have failed spectacularly.
>
> Same here really. I did buy a ~100000 piece socket set the other day
> off the market for a fiver and both of the ratchet wrenches were crap
> (as expected). However that's a very large box of spacers and bench
> press mandrels for the money. ;-)
>
>> Some
>>have slowly died (a flat bed sander being one) but that was a tool I
>>bought
>>for a specific job and it did that, so anything else was a bnus. A bonus
>>that lasted ~5 years.
>
> Yup, I started on that principle as a lad working on my mopeds etc.
> Buy the flywheel puller rather than put the bike in for repair so had
> it for the next time and probably saved money on the job at the same
> time (even if there wasn't ever an official 'next time' it could
> often be adapted and used for other things). Similar buying a decent
> circular saw and full 8x4 sheets of chipboard rather than loft_hatch
> sized floor boards when I bought this place. Job done, free saw and
> tools were much more expensive then.
>>>
>>
>>Unbelievable thing it is. It doesn't even require a gloved hand to soak up
>>vibes or protect from icy wind.
>
> I notice some of the cheaper tools have such rubber sleeves and notes
> about which way the exhaust air blows (ie, not up yer sleeve or in
> your face). ;-)
>>>
>>> I can't say the tool itself was that noisy as such and it also worked
>>> pretty well.
>>
>>Not as noisy as the air chisel, but still annoyingly loud when compared to
>>our Snap-on stuff. (D/A, Palm Sander, 3/8 Drill, air ratchets).
>
> And probably to be expected (design / price etc). I think my mate
> (normally a Snap-On zone) has a Blue Point die grinder that does
> indeed feel 'better' than my £10 ebay jobby.
We buy a lot of Blue-Point stuff too and it's as durable as Snap-On and
carries the same lifetime guarantee, but some tools aren't duplicated in the
two ranges.
>>
>>> Nice. My idea was to test the concept of these tools via the cheapos
>>> then buy decent ones as / when / if it turns out I couldn't live
>>> without said.
>>
>>The cheapo's aren't *that* bad, but the higher quality ones make a
>>difference if you're using them regularly. For home use, there's no way
>>I'd
>>pay 120 quid for a mini D/Asander, but at the bodyshop, I would. Our "old"
>>Snap-on normal sized D/A was ~180 quid IIRC, but it's been worth every
>>penny.
>
> Whilst I don't earn my living form such these days on a similar vein I
> treated myself to a Wi-Spy thingy that allows you to look at the WiFi
> spectrum to check for rogue transmissions etc. £100 well spent to be
> able to *see* exactly going on out there and quickly resolve the
> otherwise un resolvable. It's funny, many people will struggle with
> problematic WiFi networks and say they can't justify buying such a
> gadget yet will spend the same or more on something trivial that
> doesn't actually improve their lives one iota?
I've no Wifi stuff at all.
>
> http://www.metageek.net/
>
>> My Clarke home used D/A cost pennies (and not many of them) and it
>>does the job, but not as quickly or as cleanly (the eccentric movement it
>>too large on the cheap one), so I have to handball a job for the last bit
>>before painting.
>
> <nods>
>>
>>>
>>> Today daughter was working on her MZ (taking off the small / broken
>>> screen, replacing the Kawasaki master cylinder with a genuine one) and
>>> I nearly fired up the compressor to try the air wrench but remembered
>>> I still need to get the PCL connectors.
>>
>>Speaking of which, how's this for ridiculous. I can by any number of air
>>tools/spray guns from Machine Mart which are advertised as "HLVP" (High
>>Volume Low Pressure) but they don't fucking sell HVLP connectors, just
>>normal PCL's which are too restrictive for true HVLP operation.
>
> Oh?
Indeed. Although "Oh" wasn't the word I used.
>
>> They had NO
>>fucking idea what I was talking about when I asked for them. Back to
>>Sealey
>>for those things.
>
> Hmm, whilst I understand your enquiry I admit I wouldn't have
> consciously considered the coupler that way (as a potential air-flow
> restriction),
It's one of the big issues with tools and compressors. We have a compressor
that can supply lots of air (it's a 25hp motor doing the work) at 150psi
with no trouble, but try running two air tools and the spraygun at the same
time and the bottleneck is the "mains" airline. Instant drop in pressure at
the spray gun and a slowing down of the other tools. We really need to
install a wide bore pipe from the compressor to the booth and to install a
couple of air stations to really benefit from the capacity of the
compressor, but we've no round tuits laying around.
.
> well until now that is. And would the coupler have as
> big an impact on the flow rate as any filters / oilers / regs / hoses
> etc? What sort of HV gear are we talking about especially?
Filters aren't usually an issue and we use "VAL" HVLP fittings. PCL's are
(IIRC) only about 4mm diameter and that's too small for anything HV.
>
> I think I went with PCL because that's what a couple of mates had and
> they in turn had settled on them as being the most reliable / hard
> wearing out of the others they have tried.
They've not had VAL fittings then. They defy any attempt to kill them. Being
dropped, run over by cars, having all sorts of shite dropped on them and
they still don't break. PCL's were the standard for years though (still is
for most air tools and pre-assembles airlines) and it's not easy getting
some folk to change.
>I think my garage owning
> mate uses a connector supplied through Snap-On.
>
> What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
> would you know please?
Bog standard PCL if there's a fitting included. Usually they don't come with
the tools leaving you to buy them yourself.
Beav
"Wicked Uncle Nigel" <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
>>On 3 Mar, 13:16, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> >would you know please?
>>>
>>> Even if fitted with them, it's worth replacing with PCL /Schrader
>>
>>coupler sockets on it.
>>
>
> on the metalworking sites that it can work-harden with the pressurisation
> cycles and eventually grenade.
Scaffolding pipe's the thing, Cheap, easy to get and easy to cut threads
onto.
>
> I don't know it that's really true, or urbane miff, but it's not something
> I'd personally chance.
It'd be fun to see though.
Beav
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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My compressor is drained every morning. There's nothing like routine and if
(when) a drain time is missed, it can seriously fuck up a paint job. Water
and Iso & acrylic paints don't mix too well.
If we miss one morning, it's no big deal, but if we only drained it weekly
or monthly and forgot, I'd be gutted when I found out.
Beav
You need a larger bore than the standard plastic pipes though.
Beav
"Andy Bonwick" <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
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A good air line will outlast most people :-) The one in our booth is one I
got off a guy 20 years ago and he used it for fuck knows how long before he
retired. It's been in constant use all its life too and it's still going
strong with only its original coupler being swapped for a "VAL" coupler.
Beav
"T i m" <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:58:13 +0000, Andy Bonwick
> <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:17 +0000, T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:05:57 +0000, Andy Bonwick
>>
>>snip>
>>
>>>>We throw our airlines off the top of buildings and people drive
>>>>forklift trucks over them on a regular basis so I suspect they'll
>>>>outlast any steel equivalent.
>>>
>>>And what have they done to you?
>>>
>>When you've got to carry four (or more) 50' lengths of airline down a
>>couple of hundred feet of stairs you soon start chucking them off the
>>top of the building.
>
> Ah.
>
>> I can carry two at a time but they feel heavy
>>very quickly so as long as we're cunning about where and when we throw
>>them off they never get carried.
>
> Understood. I have a couple of rubber airlines and they are quite
> heavy (considering). I fancy one of those self-recoiling jobbies but
> they always seem a bit expensive (compared with just coiling the line
> up manually anyway).
But manually coiling them makes them take on a "coil" mentality and they
won't lie flat and reach where they need to reach. They need to be wound and
"unwound" as you coil them, but it's far easier to and tidier to have a wall
mounted springy reel and they're actually not much more costly than a normal
air line.
Beav
"Jeweller" <dgho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Beav wrote:
>> "Mick Whittingham" <Mi...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:I3nu95B2...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk...
>>> In article <7molq4d42ct6r9498...@4ax.com>, T i m
>>> <ne...@spaced.me.uk> writes
>>>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:45:00 -0000, "Doki" <mrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They're usually sold as Wolf Air compressors for rather more money.
>>>>> You'd be
>>>>> able to spray small items with it happily.
>>>> I just merged a Wolf Air 24 l reservoir with a Bambi Air silent
>>>> compressor pump and now have a compressor I can use without earplugs!
>>>>
>>>> Unlike the Sealey 3hp, 50 l, V twin, 10 cfm (delivery) direct drive
>>>> jobby but at least that can nearly keep up with most these cheap air
>>>> tools (die grinder / drill etc).
>>>>
>>> I know what you mean.
>>> I've got a V twin direct drive 3hp compressor.
>>>
>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>
>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>
>>
>
> Mine's a triple[1].
> Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
> Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
I've got a single. Bought for airbrush work and small "blow-in's". Silent in
operation but useless for anything but an airbrush. SimAir Studio it is.
>
>
> [1]I presume you're talking about the pistons stuffing air into the tank.
Indeed.
Beav
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:35:49 GMT, Jeweller <dgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I SAID I'VE GOT A V TWIN DIRECT DRIVE 3HP COMPRESSOR!
>>>
>>> SAME AS THE ONE I'VE GOT AT HOME THEN. Noisly fucking things:)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Mine's a triple[1].
>
>
>>Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
>
> Hmm, they tended to use the Bambi pumps (which weren't oil free
> AFAIK).
>
>>Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
>
>>
>>
>>[1]I presume you're talking about the pistons stuffing air
>>into the tank.
>
>
> http://www.bambi-air.co.uk/applications/medical-dental-general.html
>
> If it was I was watching one on eBay a while back but 1) It was *way*
> Up Norf (and collect only) and 2) ended up a bit rich for me.
>
> I now have one of those pumps on a 24l Wolf receiver (sort of
> Wolfenstine's compressor) and it works very well. There aren't many
> compressors you can run in the room next to the one she's watching TV
> in and her not hear it running at all. ;-)
I've used mine in the *same* room as her watching TV.
Andy Bonwick
>Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nos...@bonwick.me.uk>
>> saying something like:
>>
>>> You'll always get a cunt who parks his truck on the lines then
>>> fucks off but we normally remove the gas bottle and hide it somewhere
>>> or put a chain between the brake pedal and the steering wheel so they
>>> can't drive away when they want to.
>>
>> Or jack it up and let it back down on blocks that only just keep the
>> wheels off the ground...
>
>Do you *really* think you need to put ideas into his head?
He's trying to help.
I like to believe that there are hundreds of malicious tricks still
waiting for me to find them but as time goes on it's starting to
appear that maybe there aren't that many.
Eddie
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:14:17 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> Or jack it up and let it back down on blocks that only just keep the
>>> wheels off the ground...
>> Do you *really* think you need to put ideas into his head?
>
> He's trying to help.
I'm sure he thinks that too.
> I like to believe that there are hundreds of malicious tricks still
> waiting for me to find them but as time goes on it's starting to
> appear that maybe there aren't that many.
"You can't teach an old dog new tricks."
Ummm... Adie hasn't told you which hotel we're staying at, has she?
platypus
There's a lot of stuff you can do if you've access to a crane.
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> Understood. I have a couple of rubber airlines and they are quite
>> heavy (considering). I fancy one of those self-recoiling jobbies but
>> they always seem a bit expensive (compared with just coiling the line
>> up manually anyway).
>
>But manually coiling them makes them take on a "coil" mentality and they
>won't lie flat and reach where they need to reach. They need to be wound and
>"unwound" as you coil them,
Erm, I thought that's what I did? My Dad was (is?) a ships Captain
(Shell oil tankers) I got taught the right way to coil stuff from a
*very early* age. This now goes to the point when I see folk winding
stuff up round there hand and elbow (as my Dad would say "Like an old
woman winding up her washing line") and have to say "Gis it here" and
do the job 'properly' myself. ;-)
> but it's far easier to and tidier to have a wall
>mounted springy reel and they're actually not much more costly than a normal
>air line.
Ok. I like the idea of them anyway so might keep my eye out for a
bargain.
Cheers, T i m
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
> > I think my mate
>> (normally a Snap-On zone) has a Blue Point die grinder that does
>> indeed feel 'better' than my £10 ebay jobby.
>
>We buy a lot of Blue-Point stuff too and it's as durable as Snap-On and
>carries the same lifetime guarantee, but some tools aren't duplicated in the
>two ranges.
Ok..
>
>I've no Wifi stuff at all.
I have loads. And so it seems do those who call me to sort it out!
>> Hmm, whilst I understand your enquiry I admit I wouldn't have
>> consciously considered the coupler that way (as a potential air-flow
>> restriction),
>
>It's one of the big issues with tools and compressors. We have a compressor
>that can supply lots of air (it's a 25hp motor doing the work) at 150psi
>with no trouble, but try running two air tools and the spraygun at the same
>time and the bottleneck is the "mains" airline. Instant drop in pressure at
>the spray gun and a slowing down of the other tools. We really need to
>install a wide bore pipe from the compressor to the booth and to install a
>couple of air stations to really benefit from the capacity of the
>compressor, but we've no round tuits laying around.
You need a manifold of some sort I guess (which I think is what the
larger 'main' sorta becomes)? I first experimented with them when I
was 10 by soldering several tubes into the side of an old tin can to
act as a manifold for my various fish tank air devices. I seem to
remember it worked very well (even seeing the tin expand slightly
under the low pressure of my twin piston rotary induction pump).[1]
>.
>> well until now that is. And would the coupler have as
>> big an impact on the flow rate as any filters / oilers / regs / hoses
>> etc? What sort of HV gear are we talking about especially?
>
>Filters aren't usually an issue and we use "VAL" HVLP fittings. PCL's are
>(IIRC) only about 4mm diameter and that's too small for anything HV.
Yeahbut, can you give me some examples of HV kit please? Am I likely
to be using any ... like the Aldi spot blaster etc?
>>
>> I think I went with PCL because that's what a couple of mates had and
>> they in turn had settled on them as being the most reliable / hard
>> wearing out of the others they have tried.
>
>
>They've not had VAL fittings then.
I think I should have said "they in turn had settled on them as being
the most reliable / hard wearing out of the others they have tried -
that could be bought easily ..."? The problem (or it could be seen as
a good thing) going with something different to everyone else is the
inter compatibility and availability of the stuff and it's add-ons.
ie, I could walk into several motor factors / plant suppliers (In MM)
and get any format of PCL fitting, inc swivels and Y pieces etc, not
sure you could do the same with VAL or many other, often better, makes
/ models?
> They defy any attempt to kill them. Being
>dropped, run over by cars, having all sorts of shite dropped on them and
>they still don't break.
They do sound like good gear that's for sure.
> PCL's were the standard for years though (still is
>for most air tools and pre-assembles airlines) and it's not easy getting
>some folk to change.
I have no issue with changing if a) my local place has them in stock
today (when I go for more PCL's for this new gear), b) they were not
disproportionately more expensive than PCL's and c) I could convince
all my mates to change to VAL. ;-)
>
>> What is the connector usually supplied with these cheap air tools
>> would you know please?
>
>Bog standard PCL if there's a fitting included. Usually they don't come with
>the tools leaving you to buy them yourself.
Hmm, nearly all the items I've bought recently came with the same
short fitting (but generally not fitted), and certainly all the Aldi
ones did (Spot blaster (fitted), rattle gun, ratchet and die grinder).
On the one I just measured the actual connector part of the fitting
fitting is about 20mm long with about a 7mm i/d and certainly won't
fit into a PCL female.
Cheers, T i m
[1] That was a lovely bit of kit. Like sitting next to an old steam
engine on tickover ;-)
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> Mine's a triple[1].
>> Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
>> Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
>
>I've got a single. Bought for airbrush work and small "blow-in's".
Trumped, Sim Air TC2000 (twin cylinder, bought from Glyn of this very
parish).
> Silent in
>operation but useless for anything but an airbrush. SimAir Studio it is.
I'd have to say the Bambi / Wolf combo is as quiet as the SimAir (and
has a 25l reservoir). It doesn't even have a dump valve as most
compressors of that type do, so no 'tssshhhhh' as it cut's off.
T i m
Grimly Curmudgeon
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> saying something like:
>> I now have one of those pumps on a 24l Wolf receiver (sort of
>> Wolfenstine's compressor) and it works very well. There aren't many
>> compressors you can run in the room next to the one she's watching TV
>> in and her not hear it running at all. ;-)
>
>I've used mine in the *same* room as her watching TV.
I have a cracking little V-twin hand portable direct drive mains jobbie
that just chuffs along. I'm not 100% sure if it's actually an air comp
or a fluid pump but it does tyres excellently, although its max pressure
is around 60psi. Lifting the heads, I discovered rubber diaphragms
inside and simple one-way valves.
I picked it up at a boot sale for a tenner years ago and it's been
superb value for money.
T i m
I borrowed a mates 12V pump the other day to do Dads car tyres and
that went to something stupid like 150 PSI! It took enough time to go
from 26 to 32 PSI and was starting to smell a bit hot so I'm not sure
it would have got to 150 PSI anyway?
AND it was nearly as noisy as my workshop compressor!
T i m
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>On the one I just measured the actual connector part of the fitting
>fitting is about 20mm long with about a 7mm i/d and certainly won't
>fit into a PCL female.
That sounds like the ones I mentioned earlier - sorta stubby wider PCL
in appearance.
T i m
Yes, the ones you turn into tyre inflators. ;-)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/dxz48n
It would be 'better' if you saw the female part around but I don't
seem to.
These (PCL) are everywhere though ..
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/large/00/000229315.jpg
Cheers, T i m
p.s. I've just dug out a 9l piston compressor to give to the mate who
gave our daughter the MZ. I've found a length of airline with PCL ends
now just looking for a tyre inflator for him. I'll be sad to lose it
as I remember they were quite expensive when I got that one (maybe 15
years ago). And it's not too noisy.
Beav
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
I had a Hydrovane for donkeys years and it just "whirred", but a pal needed
a portable to use for blowing out the inside of computers in schools. It
needed to be quiet, so I let him have it with the condition that he kept it
upright at all times as having it lying down would fuck it up and it was too
good to be fucked up.
I saw it about a fortnight later laying down in the back of his car. It's
now in need of resurrecting, coz it's not blowing anymore but he can fuck
off if he thinks I'll do it. Some people you can't help, no matter what.
This was a fucking expensive compressor when I got it too. My studio
compressor was designed to be used in (mmmm) a studio:-) so it makes no
noise at all and I've left it running for hours before I've noticed it do a
little "head nod".
Beav
If that's one of those things that come built into Boosters, the only thing
they're good for is blowing a tyre up in an emergency and starting an
argument.
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>
> T i m
Beav
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:03:18 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Mine's a triple[1].
>>> Oil-free ex-dental lab jobby.
>>> Still no idea about how to get the best out of it
>>
>>I've got a single. Bought for airbrush work and small "blow-in's".
>
> Trumped, Sim Air TC2000 (twin cylinder, bought from Glyn of this very
> parish).
I know, I could've had it off him last year, but I didn't need it. Didn't
you get some airbrushes too?
>
>> Silent in
>>operation but useless for anything but an airbrush. SimAir Studio it is.
>
> I'd have to say the Bambi / Wolf combo is as quiet as the SimAir (and
> has a 25l reservoir). It doesn't even have a dump valve as most
> compressors of that type do, so no 'tssshhhhh' as it cut's off.
None of that with mine either. My 3hp home compressor "tshh's though, but I
don't hear it.
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> I borrowed a mates 12V pump the other day to do Dads car tyres and
>> that went to something stupid like 150 PSI! It took enough time to go
>> from 26 to 32 PSI and was starting to smell a bit hot so I'm not sure
>> it would have got to 150 PSI anyway?
>>
>> AND it was nearly as noisy as my workshop compressor!
>
>If that's one of those things that come built into Boosters, the only thing
>they're good for is blowing a tyre up in an emergency and starting an
>argument.
Hehe.
It was *like* one of those but in it's own pouch etc. To be fair it
did the job but I would have been happier (and it would have been
quicker and quieter) with an old fashioned foot pump.
And yep, I had one of those as built into the back of yer boost
starters but I stuck it on the back of my mates starter and nicked his
blank back panel for mine!.
T i m
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>I had a Hydrovane for donkeys years and it just "whirred", but a pal needed
>a portable to use for blowing out the inside of computers in schools. It
>needed to be quiet, so I let him have it with the condition that he kept it
>upright at all times as having it lying down would fuck it up and it was too
>good to be fucked up.
Indeed ..
>
>I saw it about a fortnight later laying down in the back of his car.
Plonker.
>It's
>now in need of resurrecting, coz it's not blowing anymore but he can fuck
>off if he thinks I'll do it. Some people you can't help, no matter what.
Nope. I made the mistake of lending my band saw to a neighbour to cut
out some hardboard figures for a school fete (good cause n that). It
came back a few days later but with a broken blade. He offered to pay
for it but I suggested he might like to go and get it as well?
Another mate borrowed my pressure washer. It didn't come back for a
while and when I asked after it he admitted it was broken (and it was
an early Kew jobby with a stainless steel pump). The fact that it was
broken was one thing but then I found out it had got broken because he
was 'larking about' spraying his kids and one tripped over the cable
and ripped the case open ...
>This was a fucking expensive compressor when I got it too. My studio
>compressor was designed to be used in (mmmm) a studio:-) so it makes no
>noise at all and I've left it running for hours before I've noticed it do a
>little "head nod".
If I ever borrow something I try to treat it better than I would treat
it if it was my own (and I generally try to look after my own stuff as
well). I now try to work on two premise:
Never a lender or borrower be. Dad used to say about lending stuff
that "you have everything to lose and nothing to gain". Tis difficult
though and I will sway from that if:
1) I know they will do their utmost to look after it and
2) If it does get broken, repair as was as new or replaced if not.
And that brings me to another awkward thing re lending (or borrowing)
stuff. If it should just *happen* to go wrong then it can leave you in
an awkward situation. You feel crap because you never know if it was
something broken by negligence or it was going to happen anyway.
If you have borrowed and it just broke 'in-use' you never know if the
owner believes that it just happened. ;-(
How you feel about all the above is probably a function of how much
hip money you have and how hard you have had to work to get the things
in the first place.
The ones I don't help are those who repeatedly go round the
neighbourhood trying to borrow jump leads or a battery charger because
they can't be asked to get said themselves or just buy a new battery?
Cheers, T i m
T i m
<beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>> Trumped, Sim Air TC2000 (twin cylinder, bought from Glyn of this very
>> parish).
>
>I know, I could've had it off him last year, but I didn't need it. Didn't
>you get some airbrushes too?
I did, I got a whole load of stuff and we (Daughter) did try some of
it when it first arrived but didn't have time to get into it all then
and haven't since (which is a shame). I think we really needed some
practical guidance from someone who knows what hey are doing ...
either "who sold you that then" (unlikely) or "you don't do it like
that, you do it like this". ;-)
>>
>>> Silent in
>>>operation but useless for anything but an airbrush. SimAir Studio it is.
>>
>> I'd have to say the Bambi / Wolf combo is as quiet as the SimAir (and
>> has a 25l reservoir). It doesn't even have a dump valve as most
>> compressors of that type do, so no 'tssshhhhh' as it cut's off.
>
>None of that with mine either. My 3hp home compressor "tshh's though, but I
>don't hear it.
Are you 'hard of hearing', it's too far away or do you mean you just
don't hear it (like folk who like next to a railway track).
I think you would hear it on the Bambi pump as it's otherwise nearly
silent.
Did I hear that lorry air brakes have to be silenced these days?
Cheers, T i m
Andy Bonwick
>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:14:17 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>> Or jack it up and let it back down on blocks that only just keep the
>>>> wheels off the ground...
>>> Do you *really* think you need to put ideas into his head?
>>
>> He's trying to help.
>
>I'm sure he thinks that too.
>
>> I like to believe that there are hundreds of malicious tricks still
>> waiting for me to find them but as time goes on it's starting to
>> appear that maybe there aren't that many.
>
>"You can't teach an old dog new tricks."
>
>Ummm... Adie hasn't told you which hotel we're staying at, has she?
I know which ones she suggested so it's not going to be difficult to
fund out.
Andy Bonwick
I've got access to cranes but the difficult part is persuading the
riggers and crane drivers to get involved.
Beav
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:01:27 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Understood. I have a couple of rubber airlines and they are quite
>>> heavy (considering). I fancy one of those self-recoiling jobbies but
>>> they always seem a bit expensive (compared with just coiling the line
>>> up manually anyway).
>>
>>But manually coiling them makes them take on a "coil" mentality and they
>>won't lie flat and reach where they need to reach. They need to be wound
>>and
>>"unwound" as you coil them,
>
> Erm, I thought that's what I did? My Dad was (is?) a ships Captain
> (Shell oil tankers) I got taught the right way to coil stuff from a
> *very early* age. This now goes to the point when I see folk winding
> stuff up round there hand and elbow (as my Dad would say "Like an old
> woman winding up her washing line") and have to say "Gis it here" and
> do the job 'properly' myself. ;-)
Well you d do it properly then.
>
>> but it's far easier to and tidier to have a wall
>>mounted springy reel and they're actually not much more costly than a
>>normal
>>air line.
>
> Ok. I like the idea of them anyway so might keep my eye out for a
> bargain.
I was looking through Machine Mart's catalogue today and their prices range
from 35ish quid to 70 odd for recoil air lines.