Starter motors - difference between car and bike ones
YTC#1
I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
engage.
Bike ones, don't.
Can someone go into more detail please ?
[1] He is converting a small "pull" start engine to an electric start
(speed boatish I think)
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Nige
> On topic(ish) I suppose.
>
> I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
>
> Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> engage.
>
> Bike ones, don't.
>
> Can someone go into more detail please ?
>
>
> [1] He is converting a small "pull" start engine to an electric start
> (speed boatish I think)
>
>
Fist fucking frenzy
Pip Luscher
wrote:
>On topic(ish) I suppose.
>
>I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
>
>Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
>engage.
>
>Bike ones, don't.
>
>Can someone go into more detail please ?
Most bikes use sprag clutches instead of inertia or solenoid systems,
though TBH I don't know why.
You'll also find that at least some motorbike starters spin much
faster and use a planetary gear system to slow the output shaft.
At a wild guess this gives them a higher torque in a smaller package;
at another guess it's probably more efficient, so a smaller battery
can be used.
--
-Pip
Steve
> On topic(ish) I suppose.
>
> I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
>
> Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> engage.
>
> Bike ones, don't.
don't
is probably a size/weight thing.
Steve
c...@nospam.netunix.com
> On topic(ish) I suppose.
>
> I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
>
> Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> engage.
>
> Bike ones, don't.
>
> Can someone go into more detail please ?
Originally car starters used a simple Bendix gear which uses inertia
to throw the starter cog unto the flywheel against a spring which
disengaged it when the engine started. As engines got bigger this
caused premature wear problems. The solenoid on modern car starters
engages the cog onto the flywheel before the motor turns, reducing
wear.
Bike engines are smaller and easier to turn so the Bendix gear is
still good enough.
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> c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>
> > Bike engines are smaller and easier to turn so the Bendix gear is
> > still good enough.
>
Just changed one on the scoot, but maybe that does not count.
Francis
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> Bike ones, don't.
>
> Guzzi's do.
The recent one use Valeo that are also fitted on cars or BM (the rotation
is inverted, the nose is different).
Those older that use Bosch units can be retrofitted with the same Valeo.
The interesting point is that you can find oem parts cheap at car parts
dealers, it is esay to fix them.
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.
> Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> engage.
Automobile starters are rather too long for motorcycle use, and using
a Bendix type engagement gear would result in a lot of metal grit from
the flywheel deposited in the engine oil.
A Bendix type starter is certainly the simplest low tech solution if
you have the space and a toothed flywheel.
> Bike ones, don't.
> Can someone go into more detail please ?
Most motorcycles use a compact (short) over-running starter clutch
which automatically *engages* itself everytime the crankshaft STOPS
turning.
That's the exact opposite of what a Bendix drive does.
Examples of over-running clutches are the Sprag type, which looks like
a roller bearing with eccentric-shaped rollers or the ramp and roller
type which has only three cylindrical rollers.
Sprag clutches are always engaging a tiny amount and they wear out the
sprags
as the engine runs. Ramp and roller types only wear the rollers a tiny
bit every time the engine stops.
The rollers dropping onto a sleeve in the clutch is what makes the
"whiz-ching!" sound when you shut off the engine of a motorcycle
equipped with such a clutch
To me, one of the disadvantages of the over-running clutch is that it
sits motionless on a needle bearing or pressure lubricated bushing,
while the crankshaft spins up to 15,000 RPM only millimeters away from
the clutch.
I seem to be the only human being on the planet to recognize the
kamikaze nature of over-running clutches, having had two off them
seize up and stop the crankshaft while I was riding the motorcycles.
The other disadvantage of an over-running clutch occurs when the
design engineer decides to *bury it* in the oily depths of the
transmission, where it gets plenty of oil, but cannot be easily
accessed for maintenance.
Early Hinkley Triumphs and Yamahas designed in the 1980's had buried
starter clutches.
There are a bazillion over-running clutches being used in Japanese,
British and Italian motorcycles with no user complaints.
An engine with a flywheel that doesn't run in engine oil can use the
Bendix type starter.
Harley Davidson and Moto-Guzzi use Bendix type starters.
Interestingly, the starter on my Nissan pickup truck has a Bendix
drive *and* an over-running Sprag clutch to prevent the engine from
backdriving the starter...
What about BMW motorcycles? I CBA to research BMW's...
The Older Gentleman
> On topic(ish) I suppose.
>
> I've never thought about this until someone[1] asked me today.
>
> Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> engage.
>
> Bike ones, don't.
>
> Can someone go into more detail please ?
>
Just about every bike starter I've seen has an external solenoid.
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The Older Gentleman
> c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>
> > Bike engines are smaller and easier to turn so the Bendix gear is
> > still good enough.
>
> I can't think of any bike that uses bendix type starters.
Yamaha's XS650 twin certainly did, and I am pretty sure the
XV750/1000/1100 vees did too.
Harleys? Though I've little experience of them.
.
Fruit) wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp-spam...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
> > Car ones appear to have an external solenoid, and a gear mechanism to
> > engage.
> Just about every bike starter I've seen has an external solenoid.
He wasn't asking about the single function power switching solenoid,
you silly cunt.
The Older Gentleman
Didn't say so, though, did he?
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Fruit) wrote:
> . <breoganmacbra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > He wasn't asking about the single function power switching solenoid,
> > you silly cunt.
>
> Didn't say so, though, did he?
He communicated his question well enough for even a senile Yank to
understand
what he meant, you daft twat.
The Older Gentleman
Lozzo
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "sweller"
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> saying something like:
>
> > c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> >
> >> Bike engines are smaller and easier to turn so the Bendix gear is
> >> still good enough.
> >
> > I can't think of any bike that uses bendix type starters.
>
> FT500 - spit!
Excellent wheelie machine, but crap at everything else, including
reliability.
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The Older Gentleman
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "sweller"
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> saying something like:
>
> >c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> >
> >> Bike engines are smaller and easier to turn so the Bendix gear is
> >> still good enough.
> >
> >I can't think of any bike that uses bendix type starters.
>
> FT500 - spit!
-back, bang, there goes another starter motor.
.
> [1] He is converting a small "pull" start engine to an electric start
> (speed boatish I think)
As I think about it, the *simplest* way to add an electric starter to
a small engine would be to attach a DC GENERATOR mechanically to the
crankshaft without any gear reduction, bendix drive, sprag clutch, or
ramp and roller device.
Suzuki did exactly this with the starter-generator of the 1974 GT-185.
Which is not to say that one necessarily needs a GT-185 starter-
generator, which might be hard to acquire.
An automobile generator would work as a starter-generator on a small
engine, but you'd need a reverse current relay to stop the battery
from draining through the starter any time the engine wasn't running.
Automobile engines that used DC generators were too large for the
generator to
crank, so they had the conventional electric starter with a bendix
drive.
If, for some reason the contacts in the reverse current relay (which
was half of the electromechanical voltage regulator of that era) stuck
closed, the current from the battery would overheat the soldered
connections in the generator and they would melt.
When the driver started the engine, the hot solder would be flung out
of the commutator and the generator wouldn't work until the commutator
was resoldered (assuming, of course, that the insulation of the
windings wasn't ruined by the heat).
Lozzo
> As I think about it, the simplest way to add an electric starter to
> a small engine would be to attach a DC GENERATOR mechanically to the
> crankshaft without any gear reduction, bendix drive, sprag clutch, or
> ramp and roller device.
>
> Suzuki did exactly this with the starter-generator of the 1974 GT-185.
Yamaha also used it on the RD200 and DT125E[1], and it was a shit system
[1] I've owned examples of both.
The Older Gentleman
> Suzuki did exactly this with the starter-generator of the 1974 GT-185.
The system was in use before this.
It was crap, anyway. The evidence is in the fact that it was tried, and
then swiftly discarded. Along with anti-dive forks, enclosed disc
brakes, Ram Air tinware on other Suzukis, air pressurised front forks.
Triumph's Slickshift, and Lord knows how many other ideas that seemed
bright at the time.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> . <breoganmacbra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Suzuki did exactly this with the starter-generator of the 1974 GT-185.
>
> The system was in use before this.
>
> It was crap, anyway. The evidence is in the fact that it was tried, and
Motorcycle owners are not known for being the sharpest tool in the
shed when it comes to maintaining the electrical systems of their
motorcycles, and their charging lighting systems result in what are
essentially unreliable rolling flashlights that sometimes work.
The motorcycle gets ridden hard and put away and neglected, so it's
not surprising that batteries would be trashed quickly and the
electric starter portion of the starter generator wouldn't always
work.
A starter generator isn't the most efficient generator and it isn't
the most efficient starter, either. But starter generators were used
on propellor-driven aircraft purchased by the US Air Force in the late
1940's and early 1950's, so they
definitely were adequately reliable for the application.
It would take a 30 or 40 amp car DC generator to equal the typical
0.5KW starter found on a Japanese liter bike.
The Older Gentleman
> But starter generators were used
> on propellor-driven aircraft purchased by the US Air Force in the late
> 1940's and early 1950's, so they
> definitely were adequately reliable for the application.
So, because something was reliable enough for the notoriously unreliable
aircraft of sixty years ago, it's a good solution now?
Rii-iight.
CT
> Yamaha also used it on the RD200 and DT125E[1], and it was a shit
> system
Thank fuck the RD still had a kick-start as well.
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Juicy Fruit) wrote:
> So, because something was reliable enough for the notoriously unreliable
> aircraft of sixty years ago, it's a good solution now?
Did you just pull the phrase "notoriously unreliable" out of your
flabby duffer ass?
Were you ever an aircraft maintenance dispatcher? I was.
Were you ever an aircraft electric specialist? I was.
Did you ever graduate from an aircraft electrical specialist technical
training school? I did.
Did you ever work in an aircraft electrical accesories repair shop? I
did.
Did you ever work as an aircraft electrical specialist on a
flightline? I did.
When you can speak from the position of experience, your opinion the
subject will be respected. Until then, STFU and warm your comfy chair
in Earls Court.
.
> Thank fuck the RD still had a kick-start as well.
I wish that all motorcycles still had kick starters.
I got into riding motorcycles back in the early 1960's, when
automotive electrical and ignition systems were unreliable and similar
systems on motorcycles were even worse.
But motorcycles still had a kick starter and one person could push
start a motorcycle if the kick starter failed.
The Older Gentleman
> On Jan 25, 1:47 am, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thank fuck the RD still had a kick-start as well.
>
> I wish that all motorcycles still had kick starters.
And that cars had cranking handles? If a decent battery and a 1.5hp
starter motor won't get a big bike going, then a kickstarter won't
either.
And, crucially, a kickstarter won't light the fires on a fuel-injected
bike that needs a healthy dose of volts to get the system working.
>
> I got into riding motorcycles back in the early 1960's, when
> automotive electrical and ignition systems were unreliable and similar
> systems on motorcycles were even worse.
But aircraft were paragons of reliability? How odd.
>
> But motorcycles still had a kick starter and one person could push
> start a motorcycle if the kick starter failed.
One person can still push-start most bikes. As long as they aren't FI,
of course.
The Older Gentleman
> > So, because something was reliable enough for the notoriously unreliable
> > aircraft of sixty years ago, it's a good solution now?
>
> Did you just pull the phrase "notoriously unreliable" out of your
> flabby duffer ass?
>
> Were you ever an aircraft maintenance dispatcher? I was.
>
> Were you ever an aircraft electric specialist? I was.
>
> Did you ever graduate from an aircraft electrical specialist technical
> training school? I did.
>
> Did you ever work in an aircraft electrical accesories repair shop? I
> did.
>
> Did you ever work as an aircraft electrical specialist on a
> flightline? I did.
And you were probably crap at all of them.
By today's standards, propellor driven aircraft of that era were,
indeed, notoriously unreliable. Sorry.
(I suppose there were exceptions: DC3, for example, but the accident
rates prove the point)
>
> When you can speak from the position of experience, your opinion the
> subject will be respected. Until then, STFU and warm your comfy chair
> in Earls Court.
Earls Court?
<Puzzled>
platypus
"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> One person can still push-start most bikes. As long as they aren't FI,
> of course.
I've seen Dodger bump-start the Wing. Impressive, it was.
Andy Bonwick
<breoganm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 24, 11:16�pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (Flabby Four-eyed
>Juicy Fruit) wrote:
>
>> So, because something was reliable enough for the notoriously unreliable
>> aircraft of sixty years ago, it's a good solution now?
>
>Did you just pull the phrase "notoriously unreliable" out of your
>flabby duffer ass?
>
>Were you ever an aircraft maintenance dispatcher? I was.
>
>Were you ever an aircraft electric specialist? I was.
>
>Did you ever graduate from an aircraft electrical specialist technical
>training school? I did.
>
>Did you ever work in an aircraft electrical accesories repair shop? I
>did.
>
>Did you ever work as an aircraft electrical specialist on a
>flightline? I did.
>
I spent several years working in the aircraft research industry and I
think you're a total loser. Now fuck off and get your head back on
your fathers cock.
.
> > I wish that all motorcycles still had kick starters.
>
> And that cars had cranking handles?
I can only remember owning one car that could be started by cranking,
it was a second-hand 1962 TR-4 which had about a 2.5 liter engine. I
don't think I got the crank handle with the car though, it's been so
very long ago.
> If a decent battery and a 1.5hp starter motor won't get a big bike going, then
> a kickstarter won't either.
Electric starters on liter bikes aren't that big, they might be 0.5 to
0.75 horsepower. A 1.5 hp starter would draw over 100 amperes starting
the engine.
And, Harley Davidson owners became adept at using both the electrical
starter and the kick starter at the same time. Which is what the
previous owner of my
1960 Honda 250cc Dream told me to do when the electrical starter
wouldn't start the engine, which was most of the time.
> But aircraft were paragons of reliability? How odd.
Hey! Pilots *love* to fly, they will try to fly *anything* that will
get off the ground.
But if the engine won't start, they cannot fly it until it gets fixed.
I rebuilt hundreds of aircraft *generators* but rarely had an aircraft
*starter* on my bench.
Starters are only used to *start* the engine, so the brushes and
bearings don't wear out. But a generator is turning anytime the engine
is running, so the brushes wear out on a regular basis.
I don't remember *ever* having to fix an aircraft starter generator,
but that was long ago. You were still in diapers then.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Earls Court?
>
> <Puzzled>
Does Leonard Street ring a bell?
.
> I spent several years working in the aircraft research industry and I
> think you're a total loser.
I worked in research and development at Edwards AFB when you were a
child, and I knew a lot of the first astronauts *before* they were
astronauts.
> Now fuck off and get your head back on your fathers cock.
I'll thank you to keep your vile incestuous fantasies to yourself, Omi-
palone
Andy Bonwick
<breoganm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 25, 11:41�am, Andy Omi-palone, <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I spent several years working in the aircraft research industry and I
>> think you're a total loser.
>
>I worked in research and development at Edwards AFB when you were a
>child, and I knew a lot of the first astronauts *before* they were
>astronauts.
>
Yeah, and look how brightly some of their lights were shining when the
capsule turned into a superheater.
>> Now fuck off and get your head back on your fathers cock.
>
>I'll thank you to keep your vile incestuous fantasies to yourself, Omi-
>palone
>
Daddy told you to wait until your sister's had a go?
The Older Gentleman
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It ain't in Earls Court.
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He's discovered that my house is non-existent, that some bod in Chile is
actually Italian, that there's a futures market in oranges (I mean,
wtf?), and thinks Chile makes orange juice.
In short, he's shown why he was fired from his job for incompetence. If
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As it is, like I said elsewhere, it's akin to bein stalked by a mentally
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> there's a futures market in oranges
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> KrustyUS has been trying to stalk me by Googling everything I've ever
> written, done, or been to, and he's managing to cock it up superbly.
Don't you get bored of attracting all of these issue-filled people like
so many iron filings to a magnet?
.
> Don't you get bored of attracting all of these issue-filled people like
> so many iron filings to a magnet?
No, no, this is what gives meaning to Neil Murray's banal life.
He is the editor of Foodnews, a subscription trade magazine that
publishes news of international commodity market trends in dried
fruits, nuts, and fruit juice.
He is extremely bored with his good paying job, so he spends his
leisure time starting arguments with strangers on Usenet newsgroups.
Then he acts like he is the aggrieved party.
Neil Murray will choose a victim in another newsgroup who wants to
talk seriously about motorcycles and motorcycle technology and
undermine every statement.
Once he has gotten his victim to take him seriously, he will cross
post his messages to ukrm, and whatever newsgroup he has invaded will
be taken over by his wanker friends.
I should point out that American motorcyclists are usually older than
"The Older Gentleman" and they are sucked in by his representation of
himself as being older, and inherently polite and gentlemanly.
Neil Murray has suggested that I shouldn't tell the invaded newsgroups
about who he is and what he's doing.
.
> . wrote:
> > Does Leonard Street ring a bell?
>
> Isn't that in Shoreditch?
It must be the Leonard Street in Hackney, EC2 then. That's close to
High Street.
Thanks.
Catman
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>
> I should point out that American motorcyclists are usually older than
> "The Older Gentleman"
Now I *know* you're a troll. That's just not possible.
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How could anyone get fed up with knowing they're antagonising full on
idiots? I'm convinced that if winding up lunatics was an Olympic sport
TOG would have more gold medals than Steve Redgrave.
.
> How could anyone get fed up with knowing they're antagonising full on
> idiots? I'm convinced that if winding up lunatics was an Olympic sport
> TOG would have more gold medals than Steve Redgrave.
TOG's behavior is dysfunctional. He was starved for attention as a
lad, so he
would wet his bed, start small fires, and torment his little pets.
TOG probably grinds his teeth in his sleep...
YTC#1
> . wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> I should point out that American motorcyclists are usually older than
>> "The Older Gentleman"
>
> Now I *know* you're a troll. That's just not possible.
Fuck off, I think I am older than him !
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Vito
[ I should point out that American motorcyclists are usually older than
[ "The Older Gentleman" and ....
Really? How old is he?
The Older Gentleman
<Boggle>
No, it isn't.
Do you know how many High Streets there are in London, let alone the UK?
Brush up on your stalking, dear one.
Gaidheal
> "." <breoganmacbra...@gmail.com> wrote
> Really? How old is he?
He's a young punk, no more than 55 years old, and he's been playing
"The Older Gentleman" role for at least ten years.
A police officer once referred to him as "the older gentleman" when
arresting him and a pack of his friends, so he adopted that as a
reactionary nickname to ridicule authority.
There's a picture of the flabby, out of shape Neil Murray here:
He always was a duffer (British version of couch potato).
So what if he has to wear a suit and behave himself in public? Any
time he chats with his Limey pals he turns into a smart-mouthed
Cockney.
The Older Gentleman
> A police officer once referred to him as "the older gentleman" when
> arresting him and a pack of his friends,
Bwaaahahahahahaha!
This just gets better and better.
Come on, psycho. See what else you can get wrong :-))
Catman
<snip>
>
> He always was a duffer (British version of couch potato).
English isn't your first language, is it?
steve auvache
.com>, Gaidheal <breogan...@yahoo.com> writes
>
>He always was a duffer (British version of couch potato).
No it is not but you are at least correct in describing him as a one, a
title of which he is rightfully proud.
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>
>I don't know about that. Tedious is the word that springs to my mind.
We are of one mind, oh BCB.
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drugs began to take hold. I remember "." <breoganm...@gmail.com>
saying something like:
>I should point out that American motorcycles are usually older than
>shit
YTC#1
> On Jan 26, 10:36�am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> "." <breoganmacbra...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Really? How old is he?
>
> He's a young punk, no more than 55 years old, and he's been playing "The
> Older Gentleman" role for at least ten years.
>
> A police officer once referred to him as "the older gentleman" when
> arresting him and a pack of his friends, so he adopted that as a
> reactionary nickname to ridicule authority.
>
> There's a picture of the flabby, out of shape Neil Murray here:
>
> http://www.rootsofpeace.org/documents/Dried_Fruit_and_Nut_Trade_Mission_to_Amsterdam_RAMP_March_2004.pdf
>
Fuck me, Neil in a suit !
Sean_Q_
> He is the editor of Foodnews...
>
> He is extremely bored with his good paying job
That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
SQ
Sean_Q_
> Gaidheal wrote:
>> He always was a duffer (British version of couch potato).
>
> English isn't your first language, is it?
I always thought "duffer" meant a bad golf player (which I am).
But then wtf do I know, I'm a Canuck (and just *think* I speak
the Queen's English).
If I went to Australia and announced that I was a duffer I'd prolly
get busted -- down there it means "cattle thief" (or so sez W'pedia).
SQ
Charlie
S'mee
Really? Then YOU wont mind my stating FACTS about YOU, would you?
YOU advocate sex with what are considered underage children
YOU advocate sex with animals...not the two legged kind either.
YOU are a racist and the kind of person that gives bigots a bad name.
YOU know nothing about motorcycles you can't google or invent from
your fossilized brain.
Grumman FIRED you for incompetance in mid 60's.
You aren't worth keeping alive.
You wish you could come out of the closet but can't bear to...it would
impinge on your lifestyle (such as it is) as a chickenhawk.
You WISH you were a real man.
You have no intelligence, less ethics and absolutly no morals
whatsoever.
You are terrified of me...because I would destroy you physically and
mentally if you were ever in my presence and either spoke or did not
conduct yourself with servility and deference.
You don't actually ride motorcycles and never have.
YOU are scared of REAL men...
S'mee
> Gaidheal wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > He always was a duffer (British version of couch potato).
>
> English isn't your first language, is it?
Unfortuanately he ONLY speaks in american, a distinctly different
language. He isn't capable of understanding the wide differences
between the two langauges.
S'mee
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:56:40 -0800, Gaidheal wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:36 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >> "." <breoganmacbra...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> Really? How old is he?
>
> > He's a young punk, no more than 55 years old, and he's been playing "The
> > Older Gentleman" role for at least ten years.
>
> > A police officer once referred to him as "the older gentleman" when
> > arresting him and a pack of his friends, so he adopted that as a
> > reactionary nickname to ridicule authority.
>
> > There's a picture of the flabby, out of shape Neil Murray here:
>
>
> Fuck me, Neil in a suit !
>
No thanks I don't swing that way. But thanks for asking. 8^)
S'mee
heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
Gaidheal
> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
We make our own hereabouts, from parts acquired from our Celtic
brethren, the Basques...
But, associating an innocent savory puddin' with the likes of Neil
Murray is a disgrace, especially on the day after Rabbie Burn's b'day.
Fair faw your honest, sonsie face,
Great Chieftain o the Puddin-race!
Abuin thaim aw ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wirdie o a grace
As lang's ma airm.
The grainin trencher thare ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill,
Your pin wad help tae mend a mill
In time o need,
While throu your pores the dews distil
Like lammer bead.
His knife see Rustic-laubour dicht,
An cut you up wi ready slicht,
Trenchin your gushin entrails bricht
Like ony ditch;
An than, O whit a glorious sicht,
Wairm-reekin, rich!
Than, horn for horn thay streetch an strive,
Deil tak the hintmaist, on thay drive,
Till aw thair weel-swallt kytes belyve
Are bent like drums;
Than auld Guidman, maist like to rive,
Bethankit hums.
Is thare that ower his French ragout,
Or olio that wad staw a sou,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi perfit scunner,
Leuks doun wi sneerin, scornfu view
On sic a denner?
Puir deevil! see him ower his trash,
As feckless as a withert rash,
His spinnle shank a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Throu bluidy fluid or field tae dash,
O hou unfit!
But merk the Rustic, haggis-fed,
The tremmlin earth resoonds his tread,
Clap in his walie nieve a blad,
He'll mak it whistle;
An legs, an airms, an heids will sned,
Like taps o thristle.
Ye Pouers that maks mankind your care,
An dish thaim oot thair bill o fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinkin ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if you wiss her gratefu prayer,
Gie her a Haggis!
S'mee
He posure...fuck off. Better yet come to montana...I have a new shovel
I want to test, supposed to be tempered steel, but it's made in china.
I want to test it whilst digging your new gr^H^H^H^H home.
steve auvache
s.com>, S'mee <steven...@hotmail.com> writes
Wild or farmed? If it was for feral haggis then of course they are
unavailable in the closed season but farmed haggis should be available
all year round.
--
steve auvache
Sean_Q_
>> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
>
> heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
> was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
Looks like I was a bit premature, according to Charlie's link.
Well at least it's legal here in Canada, and you're not far from
the border.
SQ - "The sweetest hours that e'er I spend,
Are spent amang the lasses, O." -- Robert Burns
mark
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> writes
>Wild or farmed?
--
Mark Roberts
steve auvache
<ma...@martem.demon.co.uk> writes
>In message <v7sM01Dn...@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache
><dont...@thecow.me.uk> writes
>
>>Wild or farmed?
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ya6n9ks
A salutary lesson for all of us on the dangers of over exploiting the
worlds natural resources.
--
steve auvache
S'mee
> In article <fdfb674b-419a-4a0c-9a58-73c53f4c8...@b10g2000yqa.googlegroup
> s.com>, S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> writes
>
> >On Jan 26, 3:04 pm, Sean_Q_ <no.s...@no.spam> wrote:
> >> . wrote:
> >> > He is the editor of Foodnews...
>
> >> > He is extremely bored with his good paying job
>
> >> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
>
> >heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
> >was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
>
> Wild or farmed? If it was for feral haggis then of course they are
> unavailable in the closed season but farmed haggis should be available
> all year round.
<sigh> you are special kind of stupid aren't you laddie? ;^)
S'mee
> In article <xWaZNRa6w3XLF...@martem.demon.co.uk>, mark
> <m...@martem.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >In message <v7sM01Dnc3XLF...@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache
> ><dont_s...@thecow.me.uk> writes
>
> >>Wild or farmed?
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ya6n9ks
>
> A salutary lesson for all of us on the dangers of over exploiting the
> worlds natural resources.
<SNORK>
I know for a fact that...never mind it's private land and if I told
you I'd never be allowed to hunt there. Oddly enough there is snipe
hunting in the states and yes it's a native bird.
S'mee
> S'mee wrote:
> >> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
>
> > heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
> > was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
>
> Looks like I was a bit premature, according to Charlie's link.
> Well at least it's legal here in Canada, and you're not far from
> the border.
Sorry, I'd rather make my own TYVFM. 8^) I MIGHT, just might know
where I can get everything and then some.
steve auvache
I think there a few who would disagree with describing me as "special".
--
steve auvache
S'mee
Hey goatse...just found your favorite video!!!
Ewe are the not man!!!
Gaidheal
wrote:
> Hey goatse...just found your favorite video!!!
You're wasting your youth, sonny.
I never open your links.
Gaidheal
> Sorry, I'd rather make my own TYVFM. 8^) I MIGHT, just might know
> where I can get everything and then some.
It doesn't have to be sheep guts. You could dig up Zhukov...
Ace
wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:56:40 -0800, Gaidheal wrote:
>> There's a picture of the flabby, out of shape Neil Murray here:
>>
>> http://www.rootsofpeace.org/documents/Dried_Fruit_and_Nut_Trade_Mission_to_Amsterdam_RAMP_March_2004.pdf
>>
>
>Fuck me, Neil in a suit !
Shame he couldn't remember how to do his tie properly.
S'mee
poor baby...poor little obese whining cry baby. No wonder you can't
pick up young men at the glory hole....or older ones for that matter.
S'mee
s'matter goatse? Jealous I know how to make something you don't? Or
just mad because I can run a vacume cleaner and get metal shavings and
such out of a vehicle? Unlike like your unskilled self...after all
you've been the fry guy at a no name burger joint for 45 years.
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>> >> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
>>
>> > heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
>> > was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
>>
>> Looks like I was a bit premature, according to Charlie's link.
>> Well at least it's legal here in Canada, and you're not far from
>> the border.
>
>Sorry, I'd rather make my own TYVFM. 8^) I MIGHT, just might know
>where I can get everything and then some.
Nothing to stop you rearing your own sheep, is there?
Grimly Curmudgeon
<breogan...@yahoo.com> saying something like:
>Fair faw your honest, sonsie face,
>Great Chieftain o the Puddin-race!
You know, from personal observation I determined that the vast majority
of kilt-wearers in Scotland (and Edinburgh particularly) during the
summer months, are Yanks.
Keep it up - such maudling sentimental tripe supports a whole craft
industry.
CT
> You know, from personal observation I determined that the vast
> majority of kilt-wearers in Scotland (and Edinburgh particularly)
> during the summer months, are Yanks.
I'm off to a wedding on Saturday week. I just *know* that there'll be
at least one token kilt wearer there, and I'll lay money that they
won't be Scottish.
--
Chris
Gaidheal
wrote:
> Nothing to stop you rearing your own sheep, is there?
Although the use of "rearing" in this context is technically correct,
heterosexuals would use the term "raising" in reference to
livestock....
Gaidheal
wrote:
> You know, from personal observation I determined that the vast majority
> of kilt-wearers in Scotland (and Edinburgh particularly) during the
> summer months, are Yanks.
Not surprising. Half the population of Scotland was thrown off their
land during the industrial revolution and my ancestors were among the
approximately two million border Scots and highlanders who left home.
So modern Scottish-Americans looking for their roots attend highlands
games and clan gatherings and go poking around Scotland looking for
distant relatives who might know something and they wind up buying
useless souvenirs and tradional apparel that they can only wear twice
a year: Rabbie Burns' b'day and the annual highland games.
I would look utterly ridiculous in a kilt and hose...
> Keep it up - such maudling sentimental tripe
"Maudling" is not a word. Maudlin is a corruption of "magdalene" and
means "tearfully sentimental."
> supports a whole craft industry.
In woolens, that's probably true. I've got a Macbeth tartan scarf
wrapped round my neck right now to ward off the winter damp and chill
which causes muscle cramps that aggravate my cervical stenosis.
During the summertime, only a madman (or a golfer) would wear a woolen
tam around here.
I searched the booths at the last highland games, looking for a
glengarry that wasn't woolen, to no avail.
But there is also a rather juvenile interest in period armament which
is satisfied by ironmongers in Pakistan and China.
Dungeons and Dragons fans and fantasy role players are the sort that
would buy
a Chinese reproduction of a battle ax or a claymore.
The proud owner of such weaponry can only take them straight home, and
any future public display might result in somebody calling the
police.
And it's entirely possible that anybody waving such a weapon around
could get shot by trigger-happy police officers who have shot old
ladies waving screwdrivers....
Grimly Curmudgeon
<breogan...@yahoo.com> saying something like:
>On Jan 27, 10:04�pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
"Grooming" has many more connotations.
S'mee
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> saying something like:
>
> >> >> That should change now that Haggis is legal in the United States.
>
> >> > heh, says YOU. Last time I tried to buy the innards for the reciepe I
> >> > was told I couldn't have them...not even the stomach.
>
> >> Looks like I was a bit premature, according to Charlie's link.
> >> Well at least it's legal here in Canada, and you're not far from
> >> the border.
>
> >Sorry, I'd rather make my own TYVFM. 8^) I MIGHT, just might know
> >where I can get everything and then some.
>
> Nothing to stop you rearing your own sheep, is there?
I don't raise the nasty little buggers...sheep are the ONLY mammal
more intellectually challenged than gaihdeal nee' goatse.
I've slaughtered my share and butchered them also. But raise them?
Feck that!
S'mee
showing yet again how STUPID, uneducated and stone ignorant you
are...then again you do want to have my baby.
S'mee
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Gaidheal
>
> >On Jan 27, 10:04 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >> Nothing to stop you rearing your own sheep, is there?
>
> >Although the use of "rearing" in this context is technically correct,
> >heterosexuals would use the term "raising" in reference to
> >livestock....
>
> "Grooming" has many more connotations.
depends, are doing the grooming or are you the one being "groomed".
8^) Mind, that's a new one to me.
S'mee
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Gaidheal
>
> >Fair faw your honest, sonsie face,
> >Great Chieftain o the Puddin-race!
>
> You know, from personal observation I determined that the vast majority
> of kilt-wearers in Scotland (and Edinburgh particularly) during the
> summer months, are Yanks.
> Keep it up - such maudling sentimental tripe supports a whole craft
> industry.
and that's a good thing right? Mind I don't wear a kilt...I wear a
utilikilt instead. Far and away more practical in this day and age,
now if I were raising vast herds of sheep in teh back of nowhere MT or
WY I'd be wearing a proper great kilts...great bloody big and useful
they are.
S'mee
ROTFLMAO goatse you is so ignorant, stupid and uneducated about the
world and things therin it's hilarous. Oh and I can take the claymore
anywhere I chose...my loaded guns also for that matter.
Gaidheal
>Oh and I can take the claymore anywhere I chose...my loaded guns also
> for that matter.
You live in a totally different environment. Nobody around here has a
gun rack in their pickup track, they would get carjacked by Mexicans
who wanted the guns.
The authorities around here are fighting Mexican street gangs that are
warring on each other.
Mexican marijuana growers have plantations in the national forest and
the national parks. The DEA and the forest rangers are suspicious of
everybody.
If you get stopped and the authorities search your car and find a
hunting or fishing knife, you'd better have a hunting or fishing
license and a fishing pole in your truck or you'll be arrested and
charged with an illegal blade.
The dumbest thing you can say is that you keep the knife in your
vehicle "for protection."