Magna Carta 1998 ... the truth ?
Wolf
was due to happen, Essex Constabulary claimed that they
had 'reliable information' from a 'confidential source'
that members of the Hells Angels and the Outcasts were
planning to make this the venue for a settling of scores
between the two clubs, and that firearms would be used
by both sides. '120 armed criminals, all prepared to
shoot policemen' was how they described the potential
protagonists ........... Chief Inspector Burman, who
explained that unless the organisers could underwrite
the cost of extra policing to cope with the danger, or
come up with a satisfactory plan of their own, then the
event would be called off .......... that would have
cost MAG £480,000 ......... Burman then issued the
ultimatum, "You call it off, or we will." MAG had no
choice.
Does anyone honestly believe that two factions, ostensibly
intent on shooting lumps out of each other, are going to
arrange to do it in front of thousands of potential
witnesses, and risk being blown away themselves by far
better trained armed police who would shoot to kill if
necessary ?
I don't think that even CI Burman really went along
with that one. Rather than have to deal with even the
remotest possibility of trouble, he had the perfect
get-out clause in his 'reliable information', and he
made full use of it ....... the protectors of peace
in Essex were probably the only ones to actually profit
from the whole affair ........ they came out of it all
looking like caped crusaders who'd made a brave and
timely intervention to prevent an imminent holocaust.[1]
( The HA did inform Essex police that they had no
intention to attend the rally )
[1] The above posting is taken and edited from an
original article by Stu Garland, BSH - Sept '98.
Now, would MAG's chairman like to tell me why his
'anger' is directed at the HA ? The way I see it,
the blame lies firmly at CI Burman's door. Is it
just the HA you would like 'shut down', or will
you continue with all the 'back patch' clubs ?
Sooner you than me, mate ... and then you wonder
why your members are leaving in droves. Time for
a new MAG chairman, me thinks, what says the MAG
members in this NG ?
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Veggie Dave
>Over the course of the few weeks before the Magna Carta
>was due to happen, Essex Constabulary claimed that they
>had 'reliable information' from a 'confidential source'
>that members of the Hells Angels and the Outcasts were
>planning to make this the venue for a settling of scores
>between the two clubs, and that firearms would be used
>by both sides. '120 armed criminals, all prepared to
>shoot policemen' was how they described the potential
>protagonists ........... Chief Inspector Burman, who
>explained that unless the organisers could underwrite
>the cost of extra policing to cope with the danger, or
>come up with a satisfactory plan of their own, then the
>event would be called off .......... that would have
>cost MAG £480,000 ......... Burman then issued the
>ultimatum, "You call it off, or we will." MAG had no
>choice.
At least, this is how it appeared to be. Except, apparently the HA were
told exactly the same thing at the Bulldog - the HA refused which lead
to the police compromising and searching people on the way in instead.
Veggie Dave
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"Wolf" <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> Does anyone honestly believe that two factions, ostensibly
> intent on shooting lumps out of each other, are going to
> arrange to do it in front of thousands of potential
> witnesses, and risk being blown away themselves by far
> better trained armed police who would shoot to kill if
> necessary ?
>
Actually yes, I think they would have done if they thought the armed
police wouldn't be there (which would normally be the case at a
gathering of that size. A number of walking officers and some onbikes (in the
grounds itself that is).
> I don't think that even CI Burman really went along
> with that one. Rather than have to deal with even the
> remotest possibility of trouble, he had the perfect
> get-out clause in his 'reliable information', and he
> made full use of it ....... the protectors of peace
> in Essex were probably the only ones to actually profit
> from the whole affair ........ they came out of it all
> looking like caped crusaders who'd made a brave and
> timely intervention to prevent an imminent holocaust.[1]
>
> ( The HA did inform Essex police that they had no
> intention to attend the rally )
>
... and the police were going to believe them? If what the
police said about an informed source is true then they
couldn't take the risk.
> Now, would MAG's chairman like to tell me why his
> 'anger' is directed at the HA ? The way I see it,
> the blame lies firmly at CI Burman's door. Is it
> just the HA you would like 'shut down', or will
> you continue with all the 'back patch' clubs ?
> Sooner you than me, mate ... and then you wonder
> why your members are leaving in droves. Time for
> a new MAG chairman, me thinks, what says the MAG
> members in this NG ?
>
I was of the impression he was blaming everyone: The police, the HA
and the Outcasts. The last blast I read from Neil (which is out of
date by one newsletter I should point out) he said he was happy for
the HA to come to the Magna Carta as long as they paid entry at the
gate like everyone else. According to reports some of the HA were
using threatening behaviour to try and get in and get drinks for free.
I suspect this is why Neil is venting his spleen in the direction of
the HA.
Personally I agree with his original stance of "You want to come in,
you pay like everyone else" but I've not read his latest rants in the
Christmas newsletter yet so he may be blaming them for more by now.
I do think that MAG should sort out the police though. I mean I could
really believe that the CI looked at his paperwork and said "Damn, we
can't pay the overtime to the officers to patrol that show, let's
make up a story to cancel it instead.".
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Peter Smithson
>In article <01be3771$7fcfa7a0$LocalHost@default>,
> "Wolf" <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>> Does anyone honestly believe that two factions, ostensibly
>> intent on shooting lumps out of each other, are going to
>> arrange to do it in front of thousands of potential
>> witnesses, and risk being blown away themselves by far
>> better trained armed police who would shoot to kill if
>> necessary ?
>>
>
>Actually yes, I think they would have done if they thought the armed
>police wouldn't be there (which would normally be the case at a
>gathering of that size. A number of walking officers and some onbikes (in
the
>grounds itself that is).
I'd disagree with you here. I've spoken to people who know more about how
the HA etc carry out their business (as I know nothing about this backpatch
world really) and they say it would be unusual to arange to meet up and have
a big fight at a public place like this. So I'm told. The only thing I can
say for sure is that I've been to a few rallies that are attended by the
back patch clubs and I've never even seen a punch up. (maybe it happens but
I've never seen it)
>
<snip>
>
>... and the police were going to believe them? If what the
>police said about an informed source is true then they
>couldn't take the risk.
Not sure about this one. You can see the view point of the police here. On
the other hand they had the same information for the Bulldog Bash but that
event went ahead. The HA probably had more time to consider what to do if
placed in the same position as MAG was.
>
<snip>
>
>I was of the impression he was blaming everyone: The police, the HA
>and the Outcasts. The last blast I read from Neil (which is out of
>date by one newsletter I should point out) he said he was happy for
>the HA to come to the Magna Carta as long as they paid entry at the
>gate like everyone else. According to reports some of the HA were
>using threatening behaviour to try and get in and get drinks for free.
>I suspect this is why Neil is venting his spleen in the direction of
>the HA.
I agree with this bit, he was quite positive about the HA and Outcasts come
along as long as they left their differences at the gate along with the full
entrance fee.
>
>Personally I agree with his original stance of "You want to come in,
>you pay like everyone else" but I've not read his latest rants in the
>Christmas newsletter yet so he may be blaming them for more by now.
Is this newsletter MAG News or Street Biker as it's now called? Or are you
a MAG rep who gets all that extra info from MAG central? The letters in MAG
news are not complete. They start with the HA's first response to various
letter by Neil that we don't see. I'd like to know more about what Neil is
trying to do. The first letter from the HA refers to Neil trying to make
the HA illegal. They are a limited company of some sort so perhaps he's
trying to get this status removed. I think he is taking it a step further
than most MAG members want it taken but I'm not sure what he's doing!
Peter
Peter Smithson
<snip - stuff I agree with>
>I don't think that even CI Burman really went along
>with that one. Rather than have to deal with even the
>remotest possibility of trouble, he had the perfect
>get-out clause in his 'reliable information', and he
>made full use of it ....... the protectors of peace
>in Essex were probably the only ones to actually profit
>from the whole affair ........ they came out of it all
>looking like caped crusaders who'd made a brave and
>timely intervention to prevent an imminent holocaust.[1]
Maybe you are right here. I'm sure the general public think the police were
100% right. My views are that it's not a simple yes/no thing. All three
parties have caused problems to varying degrees in my opinion.
>
>
>( The HA did inform Essex police that they had no
> intention to attend the rally )
>
Would they say otherwise? Here is a bit from Neil Liversidge's (MAG
National Chairman) reply to a letter from Maz Harris (HA press officer?).
..... "The special meeting (a MAG one) was convened as a direct result of
threats made to the Magna Carta organiser Dave Brobson in connection with
the event by Essex Hells Angels. The gist of it all was that the Hells
Angels would be attending Magna Carta regardless of the wishes of the
organisers, that if the Outcasts MC attended then conflict between the two
clubs would almost certainly result and that they wished to control the
event security. Direct threats were made to Dave that the venu would be
burned down and that MAGs supporters and traders would be intimidated into
pulling out of the event."
He goes on to say that they tried to arrange a meeting with the HA to sort
this out. The HA refused to meet in public so Neil agreed to meet in a HA
clubhouse. But the HA never gave them a date despite a few reminders.
>
>Now, would MAG's chairman like to tell me why his
>'anger' is directed at the HA ? The way I see it,
>the blame lies firmly at CI Burman's door. Is it
>just the HA you would like 'shut down', or will
>you continue with all the 'back patch' clubs ?
>Sooner you than me, mate ... and then you wonder
>why your members are leaving in droves. Time for
>a new MAG chairman, me thinks, what says the MAG
>members in this NG ?
>
There is another interesting bit in a letter by Ian Mutch to an MP (minister
of state) where he describes the situation he was put in with the police.
" You just try ridiculing the concerns of a police officer when he's
screaming, and I mean screaming, 'two men are already dead!' straight in
your face - and that ain't a myth, it's a stone cold fact. Maz can paint
NCIS in any demented colours he likes, but corpses don't get up and walk
away and that is a fact that many people, MAG members included, seem very
eager to forget."
(NCIS is some sort of police department responsible for the 'reliable
information')
Given these things and a lot of other detail in the lengthy letters between
the HA and MAG, I can see where Neil is coming from but the HA seem to be
coming out better in this disagreement. Some of the letters from the HA
sound very reasonable and reflect the feelings of MAG members, that I know,
very well. Neil says MAG is behind him due to a vote taken regarding
allowing people into MAG events for free. I think most MAG members would
like to see everyone treated as equals in this situation but it's going a
bit far to try and do anything more.
Ian Mutch (MAG News editor) does criticise the lack of police help in his
letter to the MP by the way.
"Frankly your activities are an unwelcome distraction from what we are
really about, which is the achievement of political gains for the whole
motorcycling community" .....blah blah.... "hampered by your activities"
Neil talking about the HA, could be applied to him though!
It would be a shame if Neil was to leave MAG as he explains that he has
devoted over half his life to MAG at considerable financial loss to himself
(he's not paid by MAG). He's doing what he believes in, but I think he
should pay more attention to the people who he represents. Even if we are
wrong to disagree with his action, at the end of the day, he's losing MAG
some support (from it's own members - never mind the motorcycle community)
and I'm not sure what he hopes to achieve.
Peter
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Veggie Dave
>In article <01be3771$7fcfa7a0$LocalHost@default>,
> "Wolf" <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>> Does anyone honestly believe that two factions, ostensibly
>> intent on shooting lumps out of each other, are going to
>> arrange to do it in front of thousands of potential
>> witnesses, and risk being blown away themselves by far
>> better trained armed police who would shoot to kill if
>> necessary ?
>>
>
>Actually yes, I think they would have done if they thought the armed
>police wouldn't be there (which would normally be the case at a
>gathering of that size. A number of walking officers and some onbikes (in the
>grounds itself that is).
Oh, purrrrllleeeezzzzz...
Veggie Dave
>Not sure about this one. You can see the view point of the police here. On
>the other hand they had the same information for the Bulldog Bash but that
>event went ahead. The HA probably had more time to consider what to do if
>placed in the same position as MAG was.
Yeah, MAG *only* had a year to make contingency plans...
Veggie Dave
>"Frankly your activities are an unwelcome distraction from what we are
>really about, which is the achievement of political gains for the whole
>motorcycling community"
but if anyone from that community says anything we don't like...
Cunts
Trevor Dennis
>and risk being blown away themselves by far
>better trained armed police
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well there's your first mistake.
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Peter Smithson
>Peter Smithson <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
>>Not sure about this one. You can see the view point of the police here.
On
>>the other hand they had the same information for the Bulldog Bash but that
>>event went ahead. The HA probably had more time to consider what to do if
>>placed in the same position as MAG was.
>
>Yeah, MAG *only* had a year to make contingency plans...
Thought it was nearer 20 minutes. Please enlighten me! ( I only know what
I read in the MAG News so I admit I have not really got an un-biased
source - although they have published the HA responses).
Cheers.
Earl Grey
>>I was of the impression he was blaming everyone: The police, the HA
>>and the Outcasts. The last blast I read from Neil (which is out of
>>date by one newsletter I should point out) he said he was happy for
>>the HA to come to the Magna Carta as long as they paid entry at the
>>gate like everyone else.
From the lastest issue of StreetBiker (AKA Mag news)
"Anyone is welcome to attend our events provided that they pay to get in and
behave like reasonable and law abiding people on site"
>>
>>Personally I agree with his original stance of "You want to come in,
>>you pay like everyone else" but I've not read his latest rants in the
>>Christmas newsletter yet so he may be blaming them for more by now.
Quote is from December \ Jan issue. ( The latest one).
>Is this newsletter MAG News or Street Biker as it's now called? Or are you
>a MAG rep who gets all that extra info from MAG central? The letters in
MAG
>news are not complete. They start with the HA's first response to various
>letter by Neil that we don't see. I'd like to know more about what Neil is
>trying to do. The first letter from the HA refers to Neil trying to make
>the HA illegal. They are a limited company of some sort so perhaps he's
>trying to get this status removed.
A further quote from the same article as the first.
"...Mags political aims will not normally extend to lobbying for
organisation to be made illegal. This situation will only come about when an
organisation behaves in a blatantly illegal fashion which threatens MAGs
survival"
>I think he is taking it a step further
>than most MAG members want it taken but I'm not sure what he's doing!
Most of the Mag members I know are in agreement with this. The No Colours
rule orignally proposed has not become policy.
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Earl Grey
>Peter Smithson <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
>>Not sure about this one. You can see the view point of the police here.
On
>>the other hand they had the same information for the Bulldog Bash but that
>>event went ahead. The HA probably had more time to consider what to do if
>>placed in the same position as MAG was.
>
>Yeah, MAG *only* had a year to make contingency plans...
Funnily enough, most people dont make contigency plans for meteor attacks
either.
The point is - it is unnaceptable for MAG to be put in this kind of
situation.
Andy C.
Veggie Dave wrote:
> Wolf <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> writes
>
[snip]
> > Chief Inspector Burman, who
> >explained that unless the organisers could underwrite
> >the cost of extra policing to cope with the danger, or
> >come up with a satisfactory plan of their own, then the
> >event would be called off .......... that would have
> >cost MAG £480,000 ......... Burman then issued the
> >ultimatum, "You call it off, or we will." MAG had no
> >choice.
>
> At least, this is how it appeared to be. Except, apparently the HA were
> told exactly the same thing at the Bulldog - the HA refused which lead
> to the police compromising and searching people on the way in instead.
>
So it sounds like someone wants to stop (large) organised biking events.
That thins the suspects list down somewhat .... to about 55 million people
in the UK.
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Peter Smithson
Earl Grey wrote in message
<915483598.14482.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
<snip>
>
>>I think he is taking it a step further
>>than most MAG members want it taken but I'm not sure what he's doing!
>
>Most of the Mag members I know are in agreement with this. The No Colours
>rule orignally proposed has not become policy.
What is it exactly that they are agreeing with? I honestly don't know what
Neil is trying to do - is he really trying to make an organisation illegal?
Is this going to be done using existing laws? You've obviously read the
HA's responses. One of thier arguments is that they can not help it if one
of their members breaks the law - same as any organisation (OK I know the HA
are different here but for arguments sake). So if a MAG member broke the
law would that then make MAG itself illegal? I know what he wants to happen
but I'm curious as to how it's going to happen - not that I'm saying it
can't - I'm just not aware of how it's planned to be done.
What is the 'No Colours rule' ?
Cheers
Peter
Peter Smithson
Peter Smithson wrote in message <76rlfb$c9e$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...<snip>
>
>What is it exactly that they are agreeing with? I honestly don't know what
>Neil is trying to do - is he really trying to make an organisation illegal?
>Is this going to be done using existing laws? You've obviously read the
>HA's responses. One of thier arguments is that they can not help it if one
>of their members breaks the law - same as any organisation (OK I know the
HA
>are different here but for arguments sake). So if a MAG member broke the
>law would that then make MAG itself illegal? I know what he wants to
happen
>but I'm curious as to how it's going to happen - not that I'm saying it
>can't - I'm just not aware of how it's planned to be done.
Not sure if this is the right thing to do - replying to my own post! Just
had an e-mail containing the latest letter from MAG to the HA. It answers
my question. They are not trying to make the HA illegal, they are just
saying 'leave us alone' as we have no wish to be involved with inter-club
squabbles. So the HA got it wrong when they suggested that MAG were trying
to make them illegal.
>
>What is the 'No Colours rule' ?
I'd still like to know about this please.
Simon Batey
<PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
>What is the 'No Colours rule' ?
Colours, otherwise know as back patches. Red on white for the HA. Common
to MC clubs and not MCC clubs. The HA always used to try and control the
use of the MC in a club badge. Where as MCC is OK. It's a uniform type
thing that has matured through the years. I was always against wearing
colours as a member of any club. A have seen some viscous battles
between back patch clubs.[1] Always seamed very sad to me. Just a plain
biker I am...
[1] Lot's of BOF type stories...
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Veggie Dave
>The point is - it is unnaceptable for MAG to be put in this kind of
>situation.
What situation? Viewed as completely inept and incapable of organising
an event by the authorities because they won't supply security at an
event in the London area. An event that's the same size as a medium
sized music festival which would have a large number of trained
security.
The authorities could not trust MAG to organise an event that took
reasonable safeguards regarding safety and so cancelled it.
The police aren't blameless, but MAG must take the vast majority of the
blame. As for all the stall holders etc who lost a huge amount of money
because MAG had no insurance in case of cancellation certainly hold MAG
responsible - especially as MAG refused to refund their money.
Veggie Dave
>Thought it was nearer 20 minutes. Please enlighten me! ( I only know what
>I read in the MAG News so I admit I have not really got an un-biased
>source - although they have published the HA responses).
Well, lets see: This wasn't the first time the Magna Carta has been
cancelled, yet there were still no contingency plans to cope with the
situation if it arose or insurance against any loses caused by the event
being cancelled. Inept? I'd say so.
The alleged threat, which, also allegedly, may have been nothing more
than a prospect taking the piss, was made months before the show. But
what did MAG do about it? Fuck all. This sort of thing (potential
violence at events where guns may be used) happens all the time (far
more than most people realise - a recent boxing match screened on Sky
for one) but the organisors work with the authorites to find a solution
(which is exactly what the HA did for the Bulldog) - of course, this
requires the authorities to believe that the organisors can actually
deal with the potential problem with their help. If they believe the
organisors are incapable of controling the problem, then it shouldn't
come as a shock that the police put their foot down.
In this particular case, I don't believe anything what-so-ever would
have happened anyway.
war...@my-dejanews.com
"Peter Smithson" <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> war...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <76q6o1$jb9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >police wouldn't be there (which would normally be the case at a
> the
> >grounds itself that is).
>
> the HA etc carry out their business (as I know nothing about this backpatch
> world really) and they say it would be unusual to arange to meet up and have
> a big fight at a public place like this. So I'm told. The only thing I can
> say for sure is that I've been to a few rallies that are attended by the
> back patch clubs and I've never even seen a punch up. (maybe it happens but
> I've never seen it)
>
I have to say I really wouldn't want to try and second-guess anybody, least
of all the HA. I too have been to patch rallies and not seen any trouble at
all (Not quite true now I think of it. I went to one rally where two patch
clubs were meeting and the only fight that was there was between two members
of the same club!)
<snip>
> Is this newsletter MAG News or Street Biker as it's now called? Or are you
> a MAG rep who gets all that extra info from MAG central? The letters in MAG
> news are not complete. They start with the HA's first response to various
> letter by Neil that we don't see. I'd like to know more about what Neil is
> trying to do. The first letter from the HA refers to Neil trying to make
> the HA illegal. They are a limited company of some sort so perhaps he's
> trying to get this status removed. I think he is taking it a step further
> than most MAG members want it taken but I'm not sure what he's doing!
>
I'm not a rep (was once for a while but moved out of the area) and yes it
was Street Biker I was talking about, I just couldn't remember the name
yesterday.
I do get the impression that Neil is taking this a little too personally,
though he may have reasons that we don't know about.
I don't completely agree with Wolf's original suggestion that Neil be
ousted straight away but I do think he ought to be reigned in a little
more.
Andy C.
Earl Grey wrote:
> Veggie Dave wrote in message ...
> >Peter Smithson <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
> >>Not sure about this one. You can see the view point of the police here.
> On
> >>the other hand they had the same information for the Bulldog Bash but that
> >>event went ahead. The HA probably had more time to consider what to do if
> >>placed in the same position as MAG was.
> >
> >Yeah, MAG *only* had a year to make contingency plans...
>
> Funnily enough, most people dont make contigency plans for meteor attacks
> either.
> The point is - it is unnaceptable for MAG to be put in this kind of
> situation.
>
You are an ostrich with its head in the sand !And I suggest that you watch out
for desperate arabs who like a quick birdie !
Andy C.
Simon Batey wrote:
> In article <76rlfb$c9e$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Smithson
> <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
> >What is the 'No Colours rule' ?
>
> Colours, otherwise know as back patches. Red on white for the HA. Common
> to MC clubs and not MCC clubs. The HA always used to try and control the
> use of the MC in a club badge. Where as MCC is OK.
apparently, but have you tried to start a new MCC in the known territory of
an MC.They are not particulary partial to anything on the back, and will
discuss the need for a new MCC with you anyway.[1]
> It's a uniform type
> thing that has matured through the years. I was always against wearing
> colours as a member of any club. A have seen some viscous battles
> between back patch clubs.[1] Always seamed very sad to me. Just a plain
> biker I am...
>
> [1] Lot's of BOF type stories...
[1] see Simon's [1].
war...@my-dejanews.com
war...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
<snip>
> I don't completely agree with Wolf's original suggestion that Neil be
> ousted straight away but I do think he ought to be reigned in a little
Before anyone else says it, I know I know. I spell checked it but DejaNews
doesn't have a grammar checker. Damn blasted keyboard... I blame it on the
keys meself, they're far too close together you know... and the print on
them is too faded to be of any real use to anybody... and the shape is all
wrong for my hands... and as for the colouring...
Andy C.
Earl Grey wrote:
> <snip>
> >>I was of the impression he was blaming everyone: The police, the HA
> >>and the Outcasts. The last blast I read from Neil (which is out of
> >>date by one newsletter I should point out) he said he was happy for
> >>the HA to come to the Magna Carta as long as they paid entry at the
> >>gate like everyone else.
>
> From the lastest issue of StreetBiker (AKA Mag news)
> "Anyone is welcome to attend our events provided that they pay to get in and
> behave like reasonable and law abiding people on site"
So you (MAG) weren't expecting many biker then !(given that 99% of bikers must
have broken the law at one time or another)
It's asinine statements from MAG above that really show the need for a visit
from the cluemonster.
Mark Hitchin
>
> Simon Batey wrote:
>
> > In article <76rlfb$c9e$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Smithson
> > <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
> > >What is the 'No Colours rule' ?
> >
> > Colours, otherwise know as back patches. Red on white for the HA. Common
> > to MC clubs and not MCC clubs. The HA always used to try and control the
> > use of the MC in a club badge. Where as MCC is OK.
>
> apparently, but have you tried to start a new MCC in the known territory of
> an MC.They are not particulary partial to anything on the back, and will
> discuss the need for a new MCC with you anyway.[1]
HA must be hells angels. MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
be Motorcycle club ??
Which is which???
--
Cheers,
Mark
wad...@my-dejanews.com
"Andy C." <ACh...@madge.com> wrote:
>
>
> Earl Grey wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > >>I was of the impression he was blaming everyone: The police, the HA
> > >>and the Outcasts. The last blast I read from Neil (which is out of
> > >>date by one newsletter I should point out) he said he was happy for
> > >>the HA to come to the Magna Carta as long as they paid entry at the
> > >>gate like everyone else.
> >
> > From the lastest issue of StreetBiker (AKA Mag news)
> > "Anyone is welcome to attend our events provided that they pay to get in and
> > behave like reasonable and law abiding people on site"
>
> So you (MAG) weren't expecting many biker then !(given that 99% of bikers must
> have broken the law at one time or another)
OK, landing nets ready...
You know what is meant by the statement. They obviously don't mean they
don't want anyone who has gone over 30mph on a 30 limit once downhill with a
tail wind. They aren't even comenting on past behaviour at all. In fact
that's the point, just behave on site.
Must admit though, it's a bit like that thing you have to sign when you visit
America 'Are you coming over here to blow up The White House' type question.
>
> It's asinine statements from MAG above that really show the need for a visit
> from the cluemonster.
It's satements like this that make a good troll.
>
> --
> Andy C. "as always, the contents above come with a smiley !"
Same here.
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/lane/2035/
> e-mail: use the reply field
>
>
Peter
--
Windsor & District Motorcycle Action Group http://bigfoot.com/~wadmag
Simon Batey
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>HA must be hells angels.
Yes Indeed...
> MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
>be Motorcycle club ??
>
>Which is which???
They both mean Motorcycle club. Traditionally back path clubs use MC and
not MCC in there club name on the patch. It's a uniform type thing as I
mentioned before. Back patch clubs do not approve of other back path
clubs being formed without prior approval. So if you walk around with a
back patch (red on white) saying Divi MC you will probably get asked [1]
to take it off.
[1] If your lucky.
Mark Hitchin
>
> In article <369206C0...@apg.philips.com>, Mark Hitchin
> <Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
> >HA must be hells angels.
>
> Yes Indeed...
>
> > MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
> >be Motorcycle club ??
> >
> >Which is which???
>
> They both mean Motorcycle club. Traditionally back path clubs use MC and
> not MCC in there club name on the patch. It's a uniform type thing as I
> mentioned before. Back patch clubs do not approve of other back path
> clubs being formed without prior approval. So if you walk around with a
> back patch (red on white) saying Divi MC you will probably get asked [1]
> to take it off.
>
> [1] If your lucky.
I've only met one hells angel (Richmond) and he was a pussy. Even a soft
Divvy Riding Software Engineer like me could have given him a good
hiding. (Not that I've ever been in a fight - I know what to do from
'Bond' Films though.)
The Welsh are soft as shite too. And northerners. (You might as well
troll for a sheep as well as a lamb.)
<Gets a bit worried>
Erm, they don't have web access do they? Hells Angels I mean... And I'm
sure they can take a joke... And erm...
Disappears for a five day intensive Judo Course....
--
Cheers,
Mark
Veggie Dave
><Gets a bit worried>
>
>Erm, they don't have web access do they? Hells Angels I mean...
Yes they do as they have a number of official sites on the net
>And I'm
>sure they can take a joke...
Probably ;-)
Veggie Dave
>I do get the impression that Neil is taking this a little too personally,
>though he may have reasons that we don't know about.
>
that there may actually be more than one view point on a given subject
>I don't completely agree with Wolf's original suggestion that Neil be
>ousted straight away but I do think he ought to be reigned in a little
>more.
Liversedge works damn hard for MAG which is why he's still there - it
would appear there aren't many MAG members intelligent enough to know
the difference between a hard worker and a productive worker.
Wolf
<36922B40...@apg.philips.com>...
> I've only met one hells angel (Richmond) and he was a pussy. Even a
soft
> Divvy Riding Software Engineer like me could have given him a good
> hiding. (Not that I've ever been in a fight - I know what to do from
> 'Bond' Films though.)
Since *certain* MC's have become 'business orientated', the days
of recruiting purely for muscle power have long gone. Hey, even
a soft southern twat like you might stand a chance of 'prospecting'.
You'd 'ave t'get rid o'that 'plastic rocket' though. ;-)
> Erm, they don't have web access do they? Hells Angels I mean... And
I'm
> sure they can take a joke... And erm...
Yes they do ... but I don't think HA England have a web site yet.
HA Denmark, New York, and San Jose on the other hand ............
> Disappears for a five day intensive Judo Course....
I shouldn't bother ... *they* probably run it ! ;-)
--
WOLF.
MAIL :- "Kick out the jams"
WWW :- http://web.ukonline.co.uk/andrew.mott
"I don't like the drugs, but the drugs like me"
Wolf
> HA must be hells angels. MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might
equally
> be Motorcycle club ??
>
> Which is which???
I feel that you jest, but anyway :-
HA = Hells Angels ( traditionally no apostrophe in Hells )
MCC = Motorcycle club
MC = Motorcycles
HTH
Wolf
<HVk34JAJ...@hmleng.demon.co.uk>...
>
>
> > MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
> >be Motorcycle club ??
> >
> >Which is which???
>
and
> not MCC in there club name on the patch. It's a uniform type thing as
I
> mentioned before. Back patch clubs do not approve of other back path
> clubs being formed without prior approval. So if you walk around with
a
> back patch (red on white) saying Divi MC you will probably get asked
MC is just 'motorcycles', Simon ... no 'club'.
As for wearing a red on white patch, I think that being
"asked to take it off" is a bit of an understatement.
It goes more like this ... patch and cut-off ripped
off your back, burnt in front of you, and develop a
sudden liking for hospital food. Some MC's carrying
out this 'exercise', will often keep your 'rockers'
and wear them upside down on the side of their own
cut-off, or other jacket, as a sign of disrespect [1].
They don't necessarily have to be red on white either,
any 'colours' in the wrong place are more than fair game.
[1] or a 'trophy'.
Simon Batey
.ukonline.co.uk> writes
>
>MC is just 'motorcycles', Simon ... no 'club'.
Never used to be. But I guess things change. Must be a BOF thing...
>As for wearing a red on white patch, I think that being
>"asked to take it off" is a bit of an understatement.
I WAS being diplomatic...
>It goes more like this ... patch and cut-off ripped
>off your back, burnt in front of you, and develop a
>sudden liking for hospital food. Some MC's carrying
>out this 'exercise', will often keep your 'rockers'
>and wear them upside down on the side of their own
>cut-off, or other jacket, as a sign of disrespect [1].
I've seen it done a few times... Also seen someone chase someone up the
street with a revolver. Not very nice...
>They don't necessarily have to be red on white either,
>any 'colours' in the wrong place are more than fair game.
I was lucky. I got asked by a very tall and wide bloke in Bristol. It
just happens that I used to know him anyway. I used to help him out [1]
so to speak. That was in the seventies though. From then on I decided
that I would never wear a patch again. Used to do all the local MC club
parties...
>
>[1] or a 'trophy'.
>
[1] I was a toolmaker at the time...
Man of Chrome
....
Now, would MAG's chairman like to tell me why hisHi wolf,
'anger' is directed at the HA ? The way I see it,
the blame lies firmly at CI Burman's door. Is it
just the HA you would like 'shut down', or will
you continue with all the 'back patch' clubs ?
Sooner you than me, mate ... and then you wonder
why your members are leaving in droves. Time for
a new MAG chairman, me thinks, what says the MAG
members in this NG ?--
WOLF.
you make some good points on this subject, but you asked for real opinions.
I'm a life member of MAG, and quite frankly I'm sick
and tired of all the time and effort
MAG and the current administration has spent
and is still spending on this self-indulgent navel gazing.
Do I care about the issue - no, not any more.
Do I care about the possibility of 100 bhp restrictions
and having to use standard oem parts on my bike, do I care about
having bike thieves strung up from the nearest lamppost
- yes.
As far as I'm concerned its about time MAG got on with all the other issues.
Kev
Man-of-Chrome - GS850
Wolf
> In article <01be38e4$1927f2e0$LocalHost@default>, Wolf
<andrew.mott@jams
> .ukonline.co.uk> writes
> >
> >MC is just 'motorcycles', Simon ... no 'club'.
>
> Never used to be. But I guess things change. Must be a BOF thing...
That was certainly the case in the '80's and early '90's,
although as you can imagine, I've not been involved in
that 'scene' for some years now. It may have altered
again for all I know.
BTW, how did you cope with those stone wheels way
back in your day ? ;-)
Simon Batey
.ukonline.co.uk> writes
>BTW, how did you cope with those stone wheels way
>back in your day ? ;-)
>
Your talking about Trev now. I started on Cross-ply sheep's bladder
specials...
Mick Whittingham
r...@hmleng.demon.co.uk> writes
<snip>
>
>I was lucky. I got asked by a very tall and wide bloke in Bristol. It
>just happens that I used to know him anyway. I used to help him out [1]
>so to speak. That was in the seventies though. From then on I decided
>that I would never wear a patch again. Used to do all the local MC club
>parties...
>
>[1] I was a toolmaker at the time...
BOF tale coming up:
When I was an apprentice, because of a company move, all apprentices
were sent to Woolwich day college when ever we were supposed to be at
work, i.e. for me on a sandwich course. I was allowed to take any
"engineering courses" to fill the weeks out. This involved me at one
time doing a welding course. There were a lot of "students" who while
they were at their college work benches were in cages to stop fighting.
They had a lot from Ford's if that helps you to understand.
During my period there, one lunch time I found this guy as wide as he
was tall with knuckles dragging on the ground kicking his bike on the
ground. It wouldn't start and as he was kicking it over on the side
stand he had broken the stand bracket off of the frame.
"Push it into the work shop I'll fix it." says I feeling for the bike
more than him.
I welded the bracket back on, re-connected the LT lead to the coil and
re-made most of the other connections that were about to fall apart.
I kicked it over, it started straight away and off he went looking
chuffed.
About 6 weeks latter, I was walking through Woolwich with a girl friend
going back to my transport after an evening in the cinema when up the
high street was a mass of heavies from the local MC. Couldn't leg it as
the girlfriend was on high heels. What the MC were doing was collecting
panties. Easier to do with stockings, before tights etc. (down boy,
down). Any guy who objected to their girl friend having her knickers
ripped off got turned into a bleeding puddle. With nowhere to go and
thinking of legging it any way, the biggest knuckle dragger pointed
towards me drawing the attention of the rest of them to me and my girl
friend. My blood running cold, sweat breaking out, I heard in the
distance the big one shout "That's a mate, he fixed fixed my bike, he's
OK."
They then gathered round slapping me on the back asking if I could have
a look at their bike, etc. and we continued on our way, unscathed.
It sort of altered my attitude to helping people a little more in a
direction that I had already adopted. After all you never know.
--
Mick Whittingham
'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
Simon Batey
<Mi...@mjwc.demon.co.uk> writes
>It sort of altered my attitude to helping people a little more in a
>direction that I had already adopted. After all you never know.
>
It's very true...
BOF tale II:
My parents where coming back from some posh do somewhere when he run out
of petrol [1]. They where sat in the car when what he describes as a
gang of motorcyclists surrounded the car. My mum panicked and they
locked all the doors. He said some huge bloke knocked on the glass. He
wound it down a bit, and the bloke asked "are you Simons dad" [2]. Well
he said "er yes". That's OK the bloke said. Anyway they emptied some
petrol from one of the bike petrol tanks into dads car and he was away.
Never did find out who the bloke was or exactly how he recognised the
car!...
[1] Probably a wine tasting bash.
[2] Dad used to get a lot of shot blasting and aluminium welding work
done.
Andy C.
Mark Hitchin wrote:[snip]
>
>
> I've only met one hells angel (Richmond)
Not a chance. they tend to flock in groups of 2 or more.
> and he was a pussy.
You mean he looked a pussy. don't mean he was one .
> Even a soft
> Divvy Riding Software Engineer like me could have given him a good
> hiding.
Agreed. Not all HA are hard as nails.Who do you think keeps their network and
websites administered.
> (Not that I've ever been in a fight - I know what to do from
> 'Bond' Films though.)
That is patently obvious.
> The Welsh are soft as shite too. And northerners. (You might as well
> troll for a sheep as well as a lamb.)
>
> <Gets a bit worried>
>
> Erm, they don't have web access do they?
Yes us northerners do - you're dead Hitchin !
> Hells Angels I mean...
They do.
> And I'm
> sure they can take a joke...
Only from one of their own - I somehow suspect you don't quite fit the
description.
> And erm...
>
> Disappears for a five day intensive Judo Course....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That's not how you spell "
5 month intensive care"
--
Andy C. "as always, the contents above come with a smiley !"
Andy C.
Wolf wrote:
> Mark Hitchin <Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> wrote in article
> <36922B40...@apg.philips.com>...
>
> > I've only met one hells angel (Richmond) and he was a pussy. Even a
> soft
> > Divvy Riding Software Engineer like me could have given him a good
> > hiding. (Not that I've ever been in a fight - I know what to do from
> > 'Bond' Films though.)
>
> Since *certain* MC's have become 'business orientated', the days
> of recruiting purely for muscle power have long gone. Hey, even
> a soft southern twat like you might stand a chance of 'prospecting'.
worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
> You'd 'ave t'get rid o'that 'plastic rocket' though. ;-)
So there is one benefit to being HA !
Andy C.
wad...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > It's asinine statements from MAG above that really show the need for a visit
> > from the cluemonster.
>
> It's satements like this that make a good troll.
Why - thankyou for the complement.
Badvoc
r...@hmleng.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <369206C0...@apg.philips.com>, Mark Hitchin
><Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>>HA must be hells angels.
>
>Yes Indeed...
>
>> MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
>>be Motorcycle club ??
>>
>>Which is which???
>
>They both mean Motorcycle club. Traditionally back path clubs use MC and
>not MCC in there club name on the patch. It's a uniform type thing as I
>mentioned before. Back patch clubs do not approve of other back path
>clubs being formed without prior approval. So if you walk around with a
>to take it off.
>
>[1] If your lucky.
An MC was *closed* in NI by the main MC last year... I'm not naming any
clubs...
--
Badvoc
Nighthawk MCC
Badvoc
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>Erm, they don't have web access do they?
some do...
>Hells Angels I mean...
probably...
>And I'm
>sure they can take a joke
some can...
Badvoc
writes
>
>
>Mark Hitchin wrote:[snip]
>
>>
>>
>> I've only met one hells angel (Richmond)
>
>
>
The ones that look like pussies tend to be the ones with largest
knives...
<SNIP>
>
>> The Welsh are soft as shite too. And northerners. (You might as well
>> troll for a sheep as well as a lamb.)
>>
>> <Gets a bit worried>
>>
>> Erm, they don't have web access do they?
>
>Yes us northerners do - you're dead Hitchin !
Give the big southern poofta a kickin...
>> Hells Angels I mean...
>
>They do.
>
>> And I'm
>> sure they can take a joke...
>
>Only from one of their own - I somehow suspect you don't quite fit the
>description.
>
I've had a few *uncomfortable* experiences...
Badvoc
.ukonline.co.uk> writes
>
>MC is just 'motorcycles', Simon ... no 'club'.
>"asked to take it off" is a bit of an understatement.
>off your back, burnt in front of you, and develop a
>sudden liking for hospital food. Some MC's carrying
>out this 'exercise', will often keep your 'rockers'
>and wear them upside down on the side of their own
>cut-off, or other jacket, as a sign of disrespect [1].
>any 'colours' in the wrong place are more than fair game.
Only one set of colours are tolerated in NI all others are *removed*...
Mark Hitchin
>
> Mark Hitchin wrote:[snip]
> > (Not that I've ever been in a fight - I know what to do from
> > 'Bond' Films though.)
>
> That is patently obvious.
That I've watched Bond films or that I've never been in a fight.
I'm proud of never having been in a fight, if it's obvious I've watched
bond films then I'm deeply offended.
--
Cheers,
Mark
Mark Hitchin
> Wolf wrote:
> worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
> cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
> off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
> shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
I don't understand a word of this. It is written in English is it??
--
Cheers,
Mark
Simon Batey
writes
>worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
>cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
>off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
>shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
>
BOF tale:
I was at a large multi club party [1] and one of the prospects was
trying to cause trouble. A bloke called Rhino! from the NOC was
attracting his attention. One of the HA came over and pointed out that
the prospect was going to be thrown out because he caused too much
trouble and wouldn't fallow club protocol. Anyway Rhino got up and
walked towards this prospect. The prospect got up and with a big show of
bravado turned round and expected the rest of the club to help him out.
All the answer he got was "mines a pint of best and buy 20 while your
up". Needless to say Rhino's floor show was quite spectacular. The morel
of the story was that most of the party goers had known each other from
school etc...
[1] HA, UB, Chopper club, that lot from Cheltenham, Norton Owners club
etc.
Simon Batey
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>
>> Wolf wrote:
>
>> worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
>> cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
>> off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
>> shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
>
>
Go back to bed Mark...
Wolf
>
> > Wolf wrote:
No I didn't ... that was Andy C, that was.
> > worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove
themselves
> > cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit
out
> > off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that
they
> > shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
>
> I don't understand a word of this. It is written in English is it??
You've been cooked up in that lab too long, you have.
For Mark's benefit ..........
01. Turkey - usually applied to any member of the general
public, ie ... non - bikers, but could also
be used in the same sentence as 'plastic rocket'.
02. Rockers - The top and bottom 'curved' patches in a set
of colours. The top one usually shows the
name of the club, and the bottom one usually
shows the area the club is from. You may also
see a bottom 'rocker' thats says 'Nomad'; these
are club members with no fixed abode, and roam
from area to area where their particular club
is based, usually 'crashing out' at another
members house, or indeed clubhouse, before
moving on to 'sponge' off someone else ...
..... did I say that ? ;-)
03. Prospect - After hanging around with a club for a while,
with a view to joining, if *they* like you,
*they* may ask you to become a prospective
member of the club, hence 'prospect'. You
may be given a bottom 'rocker', or a 'prospect'
patch to signify this. As a rule, prospecting
time is anywhere between 6 months and 2 years,
but there are exceptions. As a 'prospect', you
tend to get all the 'dirty' jobs to do, often
just to prove what 'bottle' you've got; any
self-respecting club would never usually ask
a 'prospect' to do anything that they wouldn't
do themselves ... again, there may be exceptions.
Entertaining the 'full members' by having to
drink a pint of piss, because you lost a game
of pool to the 'president', used to be an
unfortunate sideline to prospecting, amongst
many other unsavoury acts ... 'nuff said.
Mind you, that was in the old days ... you
probably have to prove your computer and
accountancy skills now ..... who knows ?
04. Hitchen - Clueless laboratory-type animal. who really
should have read the book *CHOPPER* as a
young boy ... there's still time, as it has
been re-released. ;-)
HTH.
Badvoc
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>
>> Wolf wrote:
>
>> cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
>> off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
>> shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
>
>I don't understand a word of this. It is written in English is it??
>
I understand it... maybe it's Irish...
John Malpass
news:01be38e3$93b69260$LocalHost@default...><369206C0...@apg.philips.com>...
>
>> HA must be hells angels. MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might
>equally
>> be Motorcycle club ??
>>
>> Which is which???
>
>
>HA = Hells Angels ( traditionally no apostrophe in Hells )
>MCC = Motorcycle club
>MC = Motorcycles
I thought HAMC was Harleys and Motor Cars?
John
Antony Espindola
>
> if it's obvious I've watched
> bond films then I'm deeply offended.
You're dead Hitchin!
--
Antony. Far Up! Far Out! Far More!
RVF400RR :-) Nobody Does it Better
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wad...@my-dejanews.com
Veggie Dave <Veggie~Da...@bikehouse.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter Smithson <PSmithso...@bigfoot.com> writes
(this is still me with my dejanews account)
> >Thought it was nearer 20 minutes. Please enlighten me! ( I only know what
> >I read in the MAG News so I admit I have not really got an un-biased
> >source - although they have published the HA responses).
>
> Well, lets see: This wasn't the first time the Magna Carta has been
> cancelled, yet there were still no contingency plans to cope with the
> situation if it arose or insurance against any loses caused by the event
> being cancelled. Inept? I'd say so.
I know when we looked into insurance for our event (much smaller) it would
have taken about 50% of our profit even if everything went well. If
attendance had been down (as it was in 98) then we would have made a loss.
If they have a record of being inept, as you suggest, then their insurance
premium would be higher (I presume - just guessing really). The contingency
plans are not really the main issue - it's more to do with the Police action
and, to some extent, the alleged pressure from the HA.
>
> The alleged threat, which, also allegedly, may have been nothing more
> than a prospect taking the piss, was made months before the show. But
> what did MAG do about it? Fuck all. This sort of thing (potential
> violence at events where guns may be used) happens all the time (far
> more than most people realise - a recent boxing match screened on Sky
> for one) but the organisors work with the authorites to find a solution
> (which is exactly what the HA did for the Bulldog) - of course, this
> requires the authorities to believe that the organisors can actually
> deal with the potential problem with their help. If they believe the
> organisors are incapable of controling the problem, then it shouldn't
> come as a shock that the police put their foot down.
The seriousness of the threats is something I can't comment on but MAG did
try to do something about it. They tried to meet up with the HA and I think
they were in contact with the Police for a few weeks before the event. True,
the HA did a better job at the Bulldog Bash but then they'd just seen what
happened to the Magna Carta and had time to prepare for this specific
situation. It's not that common to have bike shows cancelled by the Police
with 20 minutes notice so you can't really blame the organisers for not being
on the ball (OK, you can and will!). I'm not sure why they couldn't have got
on a mobile phone to get some legal advice though - maybe there was a good
reason. Or maybe you have a point about the capabilities of the organisers!
I don't know enough to comment (though it hasn't stopped me so far), but I
think you are being a bit harsh.
>
> In this particular case, I don't believe anything what-so-ever would
> have happened anyway.
>
Probably right there.
Cheers
Peter
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Andy C.
Mick Whittingham wrote:
[snip most of the story]
> My blood running cold, sweat breaking out, I heard in the
> distance the big one shout "That's a mate, he fixed fixed my bike, he's
> OK."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Had a
stutter too, did he ?
Barry
>Badvoc
>Nighthawk MCC
^^^
This MCC, is it the Marylebone Cricket Club by any chance?
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BOF #013
Andy C.
Mark Hitchin wrote:
> > Wolf wrote:
No he didn't - I wrote the following.
>
>
> > worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
> > cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
> > off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
> > shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
>
> I don't understand a word of this. It is written in English is it??
Given that you're unable to reference quotes correctly, it does not surprise me
that you have limited linguistic (sp?) skills.
(Someone - change Mark's nappy ! It's really starting to smell.)
sling...@my-dejanews.com
>>> Colours, otherwise know as back patches. Red on white for the HA. >>>Common to MC clubs and not MCC clubs. The HA always used to try and >>>control the
>>>use of the MC in a club badge. Where as MCC is OK.
>> apparently, but have you tried to start a new MCC in the known territory of
>> an MC.They are not particulary partial to anything on the back, and will
>> discuss the need for a new MCC with you anyway.[1]
> HA must be hells angels. MCC might be Motorcycle club. MC might equally
> be Motorcycle club ??
> Which is which???
> --
> Cheers,
> Mark
____________________________________________________________
MC is Motorcycle Chapter - for HA, Outlaws, Outcasts, Satan's Slaves etc.
MCC is Motorcycle Club and can be back patch, sidepatch or no patch. Back
patch MCC clubs require authorisation from any MC club in whose territory
they exist in.
NCC is National Chopper Club, a custom bikes only, Europe - wide club:
BC is Bikers Club
MTC is Motorcycle Touring Club
RC is Rally Club
MRC is Motorcycle Rally Club
MRA is Motorcycle Riders' Association
Any more I've missed?
Taff
Tiger MCC (back patch)
Guitarist - Slingshot
Tiger MCC - http://www.cix.co.uk/~tpl/tigermcc/
Slingshot - http://www.shelfordaudio.force9.co.uk/slingshot
Mark Hitchin
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"Andy C." wrote:
>
> Mark Hitchin wrote:
>
> > > Wolf wrote:
>
> No he didn't - I wrote the following.
<clutches hand bag to chest with both hands>
Ohhhhhhh.
> > > worrying isn't it.you get some turkey prospect trying to prove themselves
> > > cos they've half a rocker on, and think they're hard. You kick shit out
> > > off them. Then you have to "explain" to the rest of the club that they
> > > shouldn't let turkeys prospect.
> >
> > I don't understand a word of this. It is written in English is it??
>
> Given that you're unable to reference quotes correctly, it does not surprise me
> that you have limited linguistic (sp?) skills.
>
> (Someone - change Mark's nappy ! It's really starting to smell.)
I don't think I've flamed everybody since I've been here. I reckon now
might be a reasonable time to start... yes.
<flaming>
Listen you syphilitic, dog turd featured, son of a mongolian snow goose.
Why don't you concentrate on improving the content of your own posts
before you slate people for trivial referencing discrepancies. As for
you linguistic skills they seem to be limited to shite and inaccurate
comments on the posting of others without the saving grace of
contributing to the group in any useful way at all.
You are a bad mannered, chicken tossing, nothing with all the social
grace of a badly trained hog and the wit of a partially dissolved
aspirin.
Fuck off.
<flaming/>
It is good fun isn't it? I reckon i'll try some more flaming, what I
need is bait - a mis reference might do the trick... yessssss...
"Andy C." wrote:
>
> I really enjoy knitting. A bit of crochet too.
>
>
Waits patiently by baited trap....
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Mark
Simon Batey
dejanews.com writes
> MC is Motorcycle Chapter - for HA, Outlaws, Outcasts, Satan's Slaves etc.
The Outcasts? (those that say AHAMD) call it a Motorcycle Club. I asked
someone the other night...
>
> MCC is Motorcycle Club and can be back patch, sidepatch or no patch. Back
>patch MCC clubs require authorisation from any MC club in whose territory
>they exist in.
Authorisation. Why should they need authorisation?...
> Any more I've missed?
What ever happened to the UB (United Bikers) ?...
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_______________________________________________
> MC is Motorcycle Chapter - for HA, Outlaws, Outcasts, Satan's
Slaves etc.
Y'see Simes ... yet anutha vershun; must depend where yer
comes from.
> MCC is Motorcycle Club and can be back patch, sidepatch or no
patch. Back
> patch MCC clubs require authorisation from any MC club in whose
territory
> they exist in.
>
> NCC is National Chopper Club, a custom bikes only, Europe - wide
club:
>
> BC is Bikers Club
>
> MTC is Motorcycle Touring Club
>
> RC is Rally Club
>
> MRC is Motorcycle Rally Club
>
> MRA is Motorcycle Riders' Association
>
> Any more I've missed?
Don't forget TC !
< cue 'indisputable leader of the gang' jokes >
Question for ya Taff. If a 'backpatch' MCC wanted to
set up anywhere in England, who would they 'get
permission' from ? Referring solely to this country,
the HA wear an 'England' patch, as do the OUTLAWS, so
who do you ask ? You might have a smaller MC existing
in your area as well; who do you ask now ? The smaller
MC ? The larger MC who gave *them* permission to exist,
or allowed them to carry on existing ? If it's one or
both of the afore mentioned MC's, would the other larger
MC insist on you having their permission as well, or just
'take you out' to start with for 'daring' to go to the
other ones in the first place, when you should have gone
to them ?
Badvoc
<ba...@brts.demon.co.uk> writes
>>--
>>Badvoc
>>Nighthawk MCC
> ^^^
> This MCC, is it the Marylebone Cricket Club by any chance?
how did you know that?....
Veggie Dave
>I know when we looked into insurance for our event (much smaller) it would
>have taken about 50% of our profit even if everything went well. If
>attendance had been down (as it was in 98) then we would have made a loss.
Smaller rallies, I assume yours has 500 people or less, are not really
in a position for insurance for the reasons you say. But, small rallies
also don't charge large sums of money to large numbers of traders for
stall space, nor to they have full size stages, lighting rigs and large
PAs to pay for.
Any musical event of the Magna Carta size *will* have insurance because
without it if anything goes wrong, you're fucked.
Also, the sort of trouble expected at the Magna Carta is also not
uncommon a possibility at these shows. If someone is going to organise a
large show, then it *must* be done proffesionally - which, obviously,
would include contingency plans for a myriad of different pssibilities
including cancellation.
MAG's MegaShow, theoritically, is a step in the right direction as far
as this is concerned.
>
>If they have a record of being inept, as you suggest, then their insurance
>premium would be higher (I presume - just guessing really).
I wouldn't have thought so, but I'm also just guessing.
>The contingency
>plans are not really the main issue - it's more to do with the Police action
>and, to some extent, the alleged pressure from the HA.
>
The police's actions are of obvious concern, but again the whole
situation could've been handled far better by all concerned.
<snip>
>but I
>think you are being a bit harsh.
>
I am being harsh, but to be honest, I'm sick to death of hearing excuses
from MAG Central, not to mention bitching and back-stabbing which
appears to be rife there, when there are thousands of grassroot members
who want to get on with the job at hand but can't (at least, not to the
level of efficiency needed) because the governing body are to busy
trying to further their own careers and egos to provide the leadership
needed.
And to the MAG NC member who lurks here, but doesn't have the balls to
actually post (probably because they'd get ripped to pieces) and instead
gets other people to ask me why I'm so disagreeable towards MAG even
though I would have been more than happy to conduct a polite private e-
mail conversation on the subject, now has some idea why I slag MAG's NC.
There are too many good people in MAG who aren't interested in internal
politics, ego boosting or a political career, who are being let down by
those who are.
Veggie Dave
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Drag Racing http://www.bikehouse.demon.co.uk/racing.htm
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Alan W. Frame
[]
> So it sounds like someone wants to stop (large) organised biking events.
>
> That thins the suspects list down somewhat .... to about 55 million people
> in the UK.
No, no, it was the provisional wing of the IAM.
HTH, Alan
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> com>
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>
> <flaming>
[]
> Fuck off.
>
> <flaming/>
[]
> Waits patiently by baited trap....
BBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Nice bait - right down to the crappy leaking headers.
rgds, Alan
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Alan W. Frame
> In article <yZW6xNAMoHl2Ew$C...@brts.demon.co.uk>, Barry
> <ba...@brts.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>--
> >>Badvoc
> >>Nighthawk MCC
> > ^^^
> > This MCC, is it the Marylebone Cricket Club by any chance?
>
> how did you know that?....
*I* spotted the "1982 Second 11 Australian tour" club tie round your
neck.
HTH, Alan
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[]
>
> I'm a life member of MAG, and quite frankly I'm sick and tired of
> all the time and effort
> MAG and the current administration has spent and is still spending
> on this self-indulgent navel gazing.
Yes.
> Do I care about the issue - no, not any more.
Yeap.
> Do I care about the possibility of 100 bhp restrictions and having
> to use standard oem parts on my bike, do I care about
> having bike thieves strung up from the nearest lamppost - yes.
Me too
> As far as I'm concerned its about time MAG got on with all the other
> issues.
But they're not - bye bye Mag, Hello BMF.
BTW: Please don't post HTML here.
rgds, Alan
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war...@my-dejanews.com
Simon Batey <postm...@hmleng.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Authorisation. Why should they need authorisation?...
>
to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
in a very unfriendly manner.
I don't know about any of the others but I do know this applies
to the HA, who used to charge a fee. "Give us 2 grand and we'll
allow you to start up your club."
> What ever happened to the UB (United Bikers) ?...
>
They are certainly still around. I know a number of the Sodbury
UBs. Great parties they have!
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> Don't forget TC !
> < cue 'indisputable leader of the gang' jokes >
Or SC - scooter club; or BR - bike riders.............
> Question for ya Taff. If a 'backpatch' MCC wanted to
> set up anywhere in England, who would they 'get
> permission' from ? Referring solely to this country,
> the HA wear an 'England' patch, as do the OUTLAWS, so
> who do you ask ? You might have a smaller MC existing
> in your area as well; who do you ask now ? The smaller
> MC ? The larger MC who gave *them* permission to exist,
> or allowed them to carry on existing ? If it's one or
> both of the afore mentioned MC's, would the other larger
> MC insist on you having their permission as well, or just
> 'take you out' to start with for 'daring' to go to the
> other ones in the first place, when you should have gone
> to them ?
>
> --
> WOLF.
It's a regional thing - from my experience it tends to be whoever's
territory the club find itself in. e.g. HA have chapters in Kent, Essex,
Windsor - basically south-east England; Outlaws are Midlands, North of that
Satan's Slaves, West Country Scorpio. MC's do not tend to exist in the same
area so the smaller / larger thing doesn't apply.
The thing about a back patch is that is very visible and will be noticed
when people ride around with colours - if you do not OK it with the local MC
club (if there is one) then they will pretty soon find you.
Cheers,
Taff
sling...@hotmail.com
> > MC is Motorcycle Chapter - for HA, Outlaws, Outcasts, Satan's Slaves etc.
>
> someone the other night...
Hmm - MCC tends to be Motorcycle Club and the Outcasts are definitely an MC
- was this person an Outcast? Agree to disagree on that one.
> > MCC is Motorcycle Club and can be back patch, sidepatch or no patch. >>Back
> >patch MCC clubs require authorisation from any MC club in whose territory
> >they exist in.
> Authorisation. Why should they need authorisation?...
Because if you don't ask them first then they send big nasty blokes round
to make you see things their way.
> > Any more I've missed?
>
> What ever happened to the UB (United Bikers) ?...
Ahh now we're into national clubs - OC for Owners' Club for example. And
then to confuse things more there's national back patch MCC's, e.g Celtic
Warriors......
Mark Hitchin
> Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> in a very unfriendly manner.
This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
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I don't know how many of these stories you hear apply to todays HA but I've
got a good BOF friend who tells me some good ones. Like the one where the HA
were causing some trouble in a pub, the police were called. They waited
around the corner until the HA had gone before going in! (This probably
happened in the 70's)
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Simon Batey
writes
>
>> > MC is Motorcycle Chapter - for HA, Outlaws, Outcasts, Satan's Slaves etc.
>>
>> The Outcasts? (those that say AHAMD) call it a Motorcycle Club. I asked
>> someone the other night...
>
>
> Hmm - MCC tends to be Motorcycle Club and the Outcasts are definitely an MC
>- was this person an Outcast?
Used to be...
> Agree to disagree on that one.
I think I agree with you as well. Must be mean different things to
different people...
>
>
>
>> > MCC is Motorcycle Club and can be back patch, sidepatch or no patch. >>Back
>> >patch MCC clubs require authorisation from any MC club in whose territory
>> >they exist in.
>
>> Authorisation. Why should they need authorisation?...
>
> Because if you don't ask them first then they send big nasty blokes round
>to make you see things their way.
That was a bit of a troll...
>
>
>> > Any more I've missed?
>>
>> What ever happened to the UB (United Bikers) ?...
>
>
> Ahh now we're into national clubs - OC for Owners' Club for example. And
>then to confuse things more there's national back patch MCC's, e.g Celtic
>Warriors......
>
> Taff
>
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Wolf
> war...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > in a very unfriendly manner.
>
> This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
Don't ya just love niavety ? ;-)
Barry
<bad...@no.spam.nighthawk-mcc.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>In article <yZW6xNAMoHl2Ew$C...@brts.demon.co.uk>, Barry
><ba...@brts.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>--
>>>Badvoc
>>>Nighthawk MCC
>> ^^^
>> This MCC, is it the Marylebone Cricket Club by any chance?
>
>how did you know that?....
Windy
<andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Don't ya just love niavety ? ;-)
I might.
If I knew what it was.
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>
> > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > in a very unfriendly manner.
>
> This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
>
trying to start up. Usually the area MC will want to talk to the leader
of the new MC, not the other plebes. Once you take the leader out the
others generally get the idea not to continue the club.
Secondly it's highly unlikely the late-MC leader will go to the
police to complain about the beating as it's not going to make him look
good in the eyes of his fellows clubmates is it?
Secondly, how often do you think a club will start up if they know
there is a good chance they'll get a visit from the local heavies?
Not often I guess.
Mind you I'm not speaking from any experience at all. This is all
hearsay from a friend of mine in the UBs, but I trust what he says
so I'm quite willing to believe it has happened.
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Wolf wrote:
>
> >Don't ya just love niavety ? ;-)
>
> I might.
>
> If I knew what it was.
It's somewhere between naďveté and nativity.
I don't see how either applies here.
(And we won't even discuss the space before the
question mark, OK?)
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Mark Hitchin
>
> In article <3695CD28...@apg.philips.com>,
> Mark Hitchin <Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> wrote:
> > war...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > > in a very unfriendly manner.
> >
> > This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
> >
>
> got a good BOF friend who tells me some good ones. Like the one where the HA
> were causing some trouble in a pub, the police were called. They waited
> around the corner until the HA had gone before going in! (This probably
> happened in the 70's)
I've heard similar stories, not relating to the HA.
A bloke my dad knows was in his car, his car was shot at by a gun. (not
air pistol)
The police waited hours before investigating. - I can't say I blame them
- I wouldn't tangle with a gun.
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Mark
Mark Hitchin
>
> Mark Hitchin <Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> wrote in article
> <3695CD28...@apg.philips.com>...
> >
> > > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > > in a very unfriendly manner.
> >
> > This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
>
> A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
> A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
> A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
> A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
> A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
> A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
> A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
> A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
> A HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA ! HA !
> A HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO ! HO !
> A HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE ! HE !
>
Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
motorcyclists.
We beat Argentina in a war. We'd beat them.
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Mark
Mark Hitchin
>
> In article <3695CD28...@apg.philips.com>,
> Mark Hitchin <Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > > in a very unfriendly manner.
> >
> > This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
> >
> trying to start up. Usually the area MC will want to talk to the leader
> of the new MC, not the other plebes. Once you take the leader out the
> others generally get the idea not to continue the club.
Why would an area MC not want another chapter? Surely the more people
biking the better. The could organize social event and stuff. I'm sure
these people aren't idiots. When a new rugby club opened near my old
club it was superb news - new club in the area. Caused no trouble at
all. Why should a bike club be different???
> Secondly it's highly unlikely the late-MC leader will go to the
> police to complain about the beating as it's not going to make him look
> good in the eyes of his fellows clubmates is it?
Why not? If someone came and asked a sailing club to stop sailing in a
threatening manner I'm sure they'd be straight off to the plod - let
them earn their living for a change.
> Secondly, how often do you think a club will start up if they know
> there is a good chance they'll get a visit from the local heavies?
> Not often I guess.
So of all the friendly clubs in the world only motorcycle clubs don't
welcome new clubs??? I can't see why they wouldn't want new clubs
myself. Just more people to go on camping trips with etc..
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>
SNIP
>
> A bloke my dad knows was in his car, his car was shot at by a gun. (not
> air pistol)
>
> The police waited hours before investigating. - I can't say I blame them
> - I wouldn't tangle with a gun.
>
Yeah, but you're not f*cking paid to, are you?
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<36961C...@best.com>...
> Windy wrote:
> >
> > Wolf wrote:
> >
> > >Don't ya just love niavety ? ;-)
> >
> >
> > If I knew what it was.
>
> It's somewhere between naďveté and nativity.
Er ... umm ... aha, it's Welsh, so it is ... er, boyo.
> I don't see how either applies here.
>
> (And we won't even discuss the space before the
> question mark, OK?)
Don't bring Oklahoma into it ... what's it done to you ?
/^
(well what d'ya know ... there it goes again)
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> A bloke my dad knows was in his car, his car was shot at by a gun.
So what does a gun shoot with, then ?
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<7758so$735$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Not really. I've only heard this sort of event happening with MCs
> trying to start up. Usually the area MC will want to talk to the
leader
> of the new MC, not the other plebes. Once you take the leader out the
> others generally get the idea not to continue the club.
I take it you've never seen an entire, *existing* club
'taken out' [1] at one go, then ?
[1] Not killed, but probably wishing they were dead. (;-{)>
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> > > war...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Basically to stop their new MCC being stomped on. If you were
> > > > to set up an MCC in the area of an MC and they didn't allow
> > > > you to do so you would be asked to remove your patches, usually
> > > > in a very unfriendly manner.
> > >
> > > This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have
words...
> Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
> motorcyclists.
>
> We beat Argentina in a war. We'd beat them.
Just how the fuck did 'the entire population of britain' come into this
... I thought we were talking about the police here ? I'd say, from
your obvious *tone*, that
you are indeed a 'turkey' and not a biker at all ...
"We'd beat them" ? What kind of fucking talk is that ?
Who is this *we* exactly ? Big talk ... small brain !
Don't forget to put that chain on the door before you
answer it, Mr. Big ... y'hear now ? (;-{)>
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Wolf
> Why would an area MC not want another chapter? Surely the more people
> biking the better. The could organize social event and stuff. I'm
sure
> these people aren't idiots. When a new rugby club opened near my old
> club it was superb news - new club in the area. Caused no trouble at
> all. Why should a bike club be different???
> Why not? If someone came and asked a sailing club to stop sailing in
a
> threatening manner I'm sure they'd be straight off to the plod - let
> them earn their living for a change.
> So of all the friendly clubs in the world only motorcycle clubs don't
> welcome new clubs??? I can't see why they wouldn't want new clubs
> myself. Just more people to go on camping trips with
STOP IT ! STOP IT ! STOP IT ! Fer Gawd's sake, Hitchin,
you can only take a troll so far, and you're really
stretchin' the confines now. Feckin' sailin' club, indeed !
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>This must be bollocks. The police would be wanting to have words...
Mark, sometimes your naiveté amazes me
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Veggie Dave
>Ahh now we're into national clubs - OC for Owners' Club for example. And
>then to confuse things more there's national back patch MCC's, e.g Celtic
>Warriors......
I thought the Celtic Warriors were side patch. And would you be a CW by
any chance? The dispatch rider who did a job for that transport twat who
spoke bollocks at the NEC bike show this year?
Veggie Dave
>STOP IT ! STOP IT ! STOP IT ! Fer Gawd's sake, Hitchin,
>you can only take a troll so far, and you're really
>stretchin' the confines now. Feckin' sailin' club, indeed !
The thing is, if we were discussing any type of club other than MCs then
Mark's comments would be perfectly reasonable...
Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan Nitschke <peda...@best.com> wrote...
> >
> > (And we won't even discuss the space before the
> > question mark, OK?)
>
> Don't bring Oklahoma into it ...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...klahoma, where the wind comes
sweepin' down the plain; where the wavin' wheat can
sure smell sweet when the wind comes right behind the
rain...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...klahoma, every night my honey-lamb
and I sit alone and talk, and watch a hawk makin' lazy
circles in the sky.
We know we belong to the land; and the land we belong to
is grand! And when we say... YO! I-yippy-yo-eye-ay, we're
only saying, "You're doin' fine, Oklahoma! Oklahoma -- OK!"
[Too late...]
>> tv's dan <<
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John Malpass
>war...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
><7758so$735$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>> Not really. I've only heard this sort of event happening with MCs
>> trying to start up. Usually the area MC will want to talk to the
>leader
>> of the new MC, not the other plebes. Once you take the leader out the
>> others generally get the idea not to continue the club.
>
>I take it you've never seen an entire, *existing* club
>'taken out' [1] at one go, then ?
>
>[1] Not killed, but probably wishing they were dead. (;-{)>
And the club house, and the bikes.
John
Dan Nitschke
>
> Mark Hitchin wrote:
>
> >Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
> >motorcyclists.
>
> about a few bikers?
That's socialism for ya. Force everyone to get involved
in the arts.
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Windy
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> wrote:
>
>Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
>motorcyclists.
The British population are going to write a poem
about a few bikers?
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Wolf
> Wolf wrote:
> >
> > Dan Nitschke <peda...@best.com> wrote...
> > >
> > > (And we won't even discuss the space before the
> > > question mark, OK?)
> >
> > Don't bring Oklahoma into it ...
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...klahoma, where the wind comes
> sweepin' down the plain; where the wavin' wheat can
> sure smell sweet when the wind comes right behind the
> rain...
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...klahoma, every night my honey-lamb
> and I sit alone and talk, and watch a hawk makin' lazy
> circles in the sky.
>
> We know we belong to the land; and the land we belong to
> is grand! And when we say... YO! I-yippy-yo-eye-ay, we're
> only saying, "You're doin' fine, Oklahoma! Oklahoma -- OK!"
Now why did I *know* you were going to do that ?
> >> tv's dan <<
You're TV ................ sweetie ?
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Doc Gonz0
wrote:
>Windy wrote:
>>
>> Mark Hitchin wrote:
>>
>> >Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
>> >motorcyclists.
>>
>> The British population are going to write a poem
>> about a few bikers?
>
>That's socialism for ya. Force everyone to get involved
>in the arts.
>
>
Now that's what I like about Americans, they're so trusting....
I mean, imagine thinking that just because our ruling political party
is called Labour, and have 'The Red Flag' as there theme, and our
financed by trade unions, that they may be socialist... <chuckle>
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Alan W. Frame
> Wolf <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> writes
> >STOP IT ! STOP IT ! STOP IT ! Fer Gawd's sake, Hitchin,
> >you can only take a troll so far, and you're really
> >stretchin' the confines now. Feckin' sailin' club, indeed !
>
> The thing is, if we were discussing any type of club other than MCs then
> Mark's comments would be perfectly reasonable...
But, er, how much do MCs have to with motorcycles anyway?
rgds, Alan
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<1dld6c6.34o...@newtechd.demon.co.uk>...
> Veggie Dave <Veggie~Da...@bikehouse.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Wolf <andre...@jams.ukonline.co.uk> writes
> > >STOP IT ! STOP IT ! STOP IT ! Fer Gawd's sake, Hitchin,
> > >you can only take a troll so far, and you're really
> > >stretchin' the confines now. Feckin' sailin' club, indeed !
> >
> > The thing is, if we were discussing any type of club other than
MCs then
> > Mark's comments would be perfectly reasonable...
>
> But, er, how much do MCs have to with motorcycles anyway?
Not a sound was heard ... the water's surface hardly broke
into a ripple, let alone a final, sweeping wave, as the
good ship SS McFrame sank into the murky depths, never to
be seen again. (;-{)>
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Badvoc
<Mark.H...@apg.philips.com> writes
>
>Now let's see. The entire population of britain verses some
>motorcyclists.
>
Mark you really are a foolish boy....
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