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The Older Gentleman

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Dec 20, 2020, 2:47:38 PM12/20/20
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I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.

It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
remarkably subdued these days.

Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about to
zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
soon.

You twats.

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More secure garages needed....
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Tosspot

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Dec 20, 2020, 3:01:09 PM12/20/20
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On 20/12/2020 19.47, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
> what an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>
> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
> remarkably subdued these days.
>
> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in
> Spain. Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices
> are about to zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you
> for every penny you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat
> King Cole pretty soon.
>
> You twats.

Christmas going well?

gyp

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Dec 20, 2020, 3:13:12 PM12/20/20
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totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) Wrote in message:r
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, isunfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just whatan intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to beremarkably subdued these days.Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about tozoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every pennyyou've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole prettysoon.You twats.-- Kawasaki Ninja H2; Ducati ST2; Yamaha 660 Ténéré; Guzzi Le Mans II, V50; Honda CB125T2 CD200, CB400F, Yamaha 125 NMaxMore secure garages needed....neil underscore murray at fastmail dot fm

But.. But... Blue passports!
--
gyp
--

wessie

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Dec 20, 2020, 3:18:00 PM12/20/20
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gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:rrob8n$eps$1...@dont-email.me:
7 years left on my red one - perhaps we can crawl back into the EU before
it expires? More likely when Horse is drawing his pension

Mike Fleming

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Dec 20, 2020, 3:58:59 PM12/20/20
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In article <XnsAC99CE634...@95.216.243.224>, wessie
<willn...@tesco.net> writes:

> gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:rrob8n$eps$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) Wrote in
> > message:r
> >> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century,
> >> isunfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
> >> whatan intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.It's interesting
> >> that their squawking on social media seems to beremarkably subdued
> >> these days.Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built
> >> flat in Spain.Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food
> >> prices are about tozoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw
> >> you for every pennyyou've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the
> >> Nat King Cole prettysoon.You twats.-- Kawasaki Ninja H2; Ducati ST2;
> >> Yamaha 660 T?r?Guzzi Le Mans II, V50; Honda CB125T2 CD200,
> >> CB400F, Yamaha 125 NMaxMore secure garages needed....neil underscore
> >> murray at fastmail dot fm
> >
> > But.. But... Blue passports!
>
> 7 years left on my red one - perhaps we can crawl back into the EU before
> it expires? More likely when Horse is drawing his pension

I think I've got a year left on mine, then I'll see about an Irish
one.

--
Mike Fleming Coitum volantum non dono
Quantum ille canis est in fenestra? - molesworth

WUN

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Dec 20, 2020, 4:20:26 PM12/20/20
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On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 7:47:38 PM UTC, TOG@Toil wrote:
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>

The terminally deluded cunts will just blame the virus.

I hope they all fucking catch it.

--
WUN

YTC#1

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Dec 20, 2020, 4:48:46 PM12/20/20
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8.75 :-P



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YTC#1

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Dec 20, 2020, 4:55:29 PM12/20/20
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On 20/12/2020 19:47, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>

It is the panto that just keep on giving.

When can we expect BJ to do a U turn on not extending the transition
period ?

What with Dover already out of action due to Covid/French.

Who would have thought an EU nation could control its borders? Funny eh ?


>
> You twats.
>

Indeed

Salad Dodger

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Dec 20, 2020, 5:49:35 PM12/20/20
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:55:26 +0000, YTC#1
<bdpo...@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:

>On 20/12/2020 19:47, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>
>
>It is the panto that just keep on giving.
>
>When can we expect BJ to do a U turn on not extending the transition
>period ?

I don't think that's a decision for him to make.
>
>What with Dover already out of action due to Covid/French.
>
>Who would have thought an EU nation could control its borders? Funny eh ?

:-)
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Bruce Horrocks

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Dec 20, 2020, 6:52:45 PM12/20/20
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On 20/12/2020 20:17, wessie wrote:
> 7 years left on my red one - perhaps we can crawl back into the EU before
> it expires?

The EU or the passport? ;-)

I only half-jest. Last year's refugee crisis showed just how thin the
'unity' veneer is. And Greece, Portugal and Spain's ability to repay
their debt crisis loans can hardly have been improved by the need for
Covid spending.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

Turby

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Dec 20, 2020, 7:31:07 PM12/20/20
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On 12/20/2020 11:47 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>
> You twats.
>
So, umm. Next summer, say, assuming this thing is over, Should a Merkin
consider a visit? Or would he have a bounty on him?

--
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YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 3:56:57 AM12/21/20
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On 20/12/2020 22:49, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:55:26 +0000, YTC#1
> <bdpo...@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/12/2020 19:47, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>
>>
>> It is the panto that just keep on giving.
>>
>> When can we expect BJ to do a U turn on not extending the transition
>> period ?
>
> I don't think that's a decision for him to make.

I believe the offer is on the table?

If so, I presume a quick parliament recall+vote and done.

YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 3:57:26 AM12/21/20
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On 21/12/2020 00:31, Turby wrote:
> On 12/20/2020 11:47 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>
>> You twats.
>>
> So, umm. Next summer, say, assuming this thing is over, Should a Merkin
> consider a visit? Or would he have a bounty on him?
>

just flash your dollars.

Cab

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:00:08 AM12/21/20
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YTC#1 wibbled:

> On 21/12/2020 00:31, Turby wrote:
> > On 12/20/2020 11:47 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > > I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> > > unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise
> > > just what an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
> > >
> > > You twats.
> > >
> > So, umm. Next summer, say, assuming this thing is over, Should a
> > Merkin consider a visit? Or would he have a bounty on him?
> >
>
> just flash your dollars.

Yeah, especially as your USD will be worth loads by then!

--
Cab
Z1000 and CB1300 and VeloSolex 3800

Cab

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:00:09 AM12/21/20
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wessie wibbled:
I had to apply for a new one recently, as I'd lost the other one, and
got a blue one in return.

Then I found the lost one on the bed of my scanner. FFS.

On the plus side, it had only 7 months left of validity.

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:11:11 AM12/21/20
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On 20/12/2020 21.48, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 20/12/2020 20:17, wessie wrote:
>> gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:rrob8n$eps$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) Wrote in
>>> message:r
>>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century,
>>>> isunfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
>>>> whatan intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.It's interesting
>>>> that their squawking on social media seems to beremarkably subdued
>>>> these days.Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built
>>>> flat in Spain.Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food
>>>> prices are about tozoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw
>>>> you for every pennyyou've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the
>>>> Nat King Cole prettysoon.You twats.-- Kawasaki Ninja H2; Ducati ST2;
>>>> Yamaha 660 Ténéré; Guzzi Le Mans II, V50; Honda CB125T2 CD200,
>>>> CB400F, Yamaha 125 NMaxMore secure garages needed....neil underscore
>>>> murray at fastmail dot fm
>>>
>>> But.. But... Blue passports!
>>
>> 7 years left on my red one
>
> 8.75 :-P

9. But I will change it for a blue one as soon as I can because I know
the sort of people it will upset, and they deserve it :-)

I would have a blue one now but the bloody plague got in the way.

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:12:33 AM12/21/20
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On 21/12/2020 08.57, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 21/12/2020 00:31, Turby wrote:
>> On 12/20/2020 11:47 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>
>>> You twats.
>>>
>> So, umm. Next summer, say, assuming this thing is over, Should a
>> Merkin consider a visit? Or would he have a bounty on him?
>>
>
> just flash your dollars.

By then you should get around 300 pounds to every one of those.

YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:50:31 AM12/21/20
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Why would it upset people if you want a blue/black one?

Ben Blaney

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Dec 21, 2020, 9:18:28 AM12/21/20
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On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 2:47:38 PM UTC-5, TOG@Toil wrote:
> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>
> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
> remarkably subdued these days.

As far as I can see, they're blaming the EU for not being nice.

Forgetting, apparently, that the Brexiteers in 2016 were saying "we'd hold all the cards" and "it would be the easiest deal in the history of statecraft", etc.

Jon

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Dec 21, 2020, 10:18:31 AM12/21/20
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>
> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
> remarkably subdued these days.
>
> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
> Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about to
> zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
> you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
> soon.
>
> You twats.

Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
enjoy a bit of exercise.

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 10:44:40 AM12/21/20
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Search me, I know a bunch of remoaners that carp on about blue passports
all the time. Someone had an old one and I'm still convinced they were
in fact black.

Pipl

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Dec 21, 2020, 1:09:16 PM12/21/20
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:56:55 +0000, YTC#1
<bdpo...@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:

>On 20/12/2020 22:49, Salad Dodger wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:55:26 +0000, YTC#1
>> <bdpo...@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/12/2020 19:47, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is the panto that just keep on giving.
>>>
>>> When can we expect BJ to do a U turn on not extending the transition
>>> period ?
>>
>> I don't think that's a decision for him to make.
>
>I believe the offer is on the table?

IRTA "on the turntable", which is apt.


--

-Pip

Mike Fleming

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Dec 21, 2020, 1:20:18 PM12/21/20
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In article <vvGdnQ4r7pV7X33C...@giganews.com>, Tosspot
It's not the blue passports per se, it's that we've exchanged
membership of the biggest trading bloc in the world, and all the other
stuff (lists are freely available), for "sovereignty", symbolised by
blue passports (that'll be the same sovereignty as various EU
countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
from the UK).

YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 2:08:41 PM12/21/20
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I've got an old one, it is blue.

The keeping a red one is not the issue, it is the retaining of the words :-)

YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 2:09:33 PM12/21/20
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Mere details.

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 2:16:51 PM12/21/20
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People are stupid shocker. Politicians more so. Yes, the thick cunts
voted for it, there is nothing you, me, the gate post or anybody else
can do about it, so get yer blue passport and wave it around!

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 2:18:20 PM12/21/20
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Alas they will mean little to nothing in a few days, as I will find out
when I try to go back to work.

YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 3:16:26 PM12/21/20
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Forgive my ignorance, where do you work that requires a passport?

Tosspot

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Dec 21, 2020, 3:30:25 PM12/21/20
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The Land Of The Holy Cabbage. I'll need fingerprinting and all sorts of
rubbish done when I get back.


YTC#1

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Dec 21, 2020, 3:46:27 PM12/21/20
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You are assuming you can get out of the UK.
Currently we are persona non grata.

Scion

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Dec 21, 2020, 5:18:27 PM12/21/20
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:46:25 +0000, YTC#1 wrote:

<snip>

> You are assuming you can get out of the UK.
> Currently we are persona non grata.

Two words: Jet ski!

Champ

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Dec 21, 2020, 5:37:42 PM12/21/20
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:44:38 +0000, Tosspot <frank...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Search me, I know a bunch of remoaners that carp on about blue passports
>all the time. Someone had an old one and I'm still convinced they were
>in fact black.

I've still got my old one (long expired) and it is definitely black
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Mike Fleming

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:25:49 PM12/21/20
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In article <3O-dnXyRd5U8aX3C...@giganews.com>, Tosspot
Irish passports aren't blue.

Mike Fleming

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Dec 21, 2020, 6:26:43 PM12/21/20
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In article <bPadnW-W9fpCmHzC...@giganews.com>, Tosspot
Ah, Sto Lat, eh?

Tosspot

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Dec 22, 2020, 5:04:06 AM12/22/20
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On 21/12/2020 20.46, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 21/12/2020 20:30, Tosspot wrote:
>> On 21/12/2020 20.16, YTC#1 wrote:

<snip>

>>>> Alas they will mean little to nothing in a few days, as I will find
>>>> out when I try to go back to work.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, where do you work that requires a passport?
>>
>> The Land Of The Holy Cabbage.  I'll need fingerprinting and all sorts
>> of rubbish done when I get back.
>>
>>
>
> You are assuming you can get out of the UK.
> Currently we are persona non grata.

I'm hoping that little piece of drama moves on. It would help if I
could get one of the much vaunted covid tests, but that appears
impossible unless you actually have covid. Bit of a poser that one.

Tosspot

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Dec 22, 2020, 5:04:55 AM12/22/20
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On 21/12/2020 23.26, Mike Fleming wrote:
> In article <bPadnW-W9fpCmHzC...@giganews.com>, Tosspot
> <frank...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 21/12/2020 20.16, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, where do you work that requires a passport?
>>
>> The Land Of The Holy Cabbage.
>
> Ah, Sto Lat, eh?

Very good! I should remember that.

Salad Dodger

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Dec 22, 2020, 8:05:33 AM12/22/20
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:04:53 +0000, Tosspot <frank...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was often surprised that a Polish colleague was such a Pratchett
fan, whenever she used to sign my communal birthday card.
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Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

boots

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Dec 22, 2020, 8:10:59 AM12/22/20
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On 21/12/2020 04:17 wessie penned these words:
> 7 years left on my red one - perhaps we can crawl back into the EU before
> it expires? More likely when Horse is drawing his pension

I can't see the EU wanting england back anytime soon TBH,

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Stephen Packer

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Dec 22, 2020, 9:02:44 AM12/22/20
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On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 13:10:59 UTC, boots wrote:
> On 21/12/2020 04:17 wessie penned these words:
> > 7 years left on my red one - perhaps we can crawl back into the EU before
> > it expires? More likely when Horse is drawing his pension
> I can't see the EU wanting england back anytime soon TBH,

It might not want England back but if the Scots have left England and joined and
NI has or will shortly re-unite with Ireland then the EU probably won't want a failing
England on its doorstep/border.

Plus, for England to want to rejoin you'll need a few more of the old to die off (thank
heavens for COVID...) Yes, I'm sure a majority would rather remain then but I think we'll
need 60/40 or more to rejoin.

I suspect it's around 20 years unless something completely unexpected happens. Hope
to see it in my lifetime but too late to make any real difference to me.

YTC#1

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Dec 22, 2020, 9:07:50 AM12/22/20
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Just come to Merseyside, you can get them every day here.

YTC#1

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Dec 22, 2020, 9:17:16 AM12/22/20
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The Older Gentleman

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:46:57 PM12/22/20
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Tosspot <frank...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still convinced they were
> in fact black.

I can only remember black. We might have had blue ones when I was a kid,
pre-1973, but I don't remember the colour.

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:46:58 PM12/22/20
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Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

> various EU
> countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
> from the UK

I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
the virus, this shows we're on their side.

We're actually helping them....


--
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Mans II, V50; Honda CB125T2 CD200, CB400F, Yamaha 125 NMax
More secure garages needed....

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:46:58 PM12/22/20
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Really?

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:46:58 PM12/22/20
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<G>

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Mans II, V50; Honda CB125T2 CD200, CB400F, Yamaha 125 NMax
More secure garages needed....

The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 22, 2020, 2:03:34 PM12/22/20
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On 22/12/2020 18:46, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>
>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>
>>> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
>>> remarkably subdued these days.
>>>
>>> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
>>> Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about to
>>> zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
>>> you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> You twats.
>>
>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
>
> Really?
>
Belief in something that has feet of clay is always a bit sad to watch.

In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
project fear ever predicted.

I mean these remoaners cling to the bloody EU like a fan who has seen
their football team lose behaves 'the game was crooked' 'the ref was
bought' 'we shoulda won;'
Its pretty pathetic how *emotionally* attached they are to a bunch of
substandard jumped up middle management bureaucrats with fat arses and
grey suits who have failed in almost everything they have attempted.

They have failed to control immigration inside and outside the EU.
They have failed to deliver economic prosperity - in fact their
dedication to the trappings on Empire - a single currency, has created
massive unemployment all along the Mediterranean, while Germany and
France sit fat and smug.
They have failed to prevent a majority if the UK being so pissed off
that they voted to leave,
They have failed to stitch Britain up in a post referendum vassalage
They have failed to renegotiate a trade deal that is more in their
interest than ours.
They have failed to expedite vaccination in the Union, a gfa8iluer that
has trillion Europe implications.

All they could do is press on with their stupid schoolboy visions of a
politically uniform Europe in which they could be important and frame
the law so they could never be sacked.

When a department ion a company refuses to resign, or be fired, you
simply close the whole division down

Europe will simply close the EU down. It's an unnecessary waste of time
and money. Europe is not a kindergarten anymore. Its growing up.
It doesn't need a nanny. It needs a vaccine, an economic policy and a
hard dash of realism.



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authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

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geoffC

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Dec 22, 2020, 2:18:10 PM12/22/20
to
The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > various EU
> > countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
> > from the UK
>
> I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
> currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
> tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
> the virus, this shows we're on their side.
>
> We're actually helping them....



I think you'll find that the French government is doing that already
with or without a test. After midnight tonight they can return if they
have a recent negative test.


--

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Turby

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Dec 22, 2020, 2:37:12 PM12/22/20
to
On 12/22/2020 11:03 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 22/12/2020 18:46, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>
>>>> You twats.
>>>
>>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
>>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
>>
>> Really?
>
> I mean these remoaners cling to the bloody EU

Wanna trade idiots?


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Mike Fleming

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Dec 22, 2020, 3:02:50 PM12/22/20
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In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes:

> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
> project fear ever predicted.

What a load of fucking bollocks.

Jim Jackson

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Dec 22, 2020, 5:16:31 PM12/22/20
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On 2020-12-22, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Its pretty pathetic how *emotionally* attached they are to a bunch of

LOL! *Emotional* - pot - kettle - black!

Cursitor Doom

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Dec 22, 2020, 7:57:39 PM12/22/20
to
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
<{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
><t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
>> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
>> project fear ever predicted.
>
>What a load of fucking bollocks.

Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
many families dependent on food banks nowadays? Is that a sign of a
prosperous country? And what about the people who have to choose
between heating and eating? Are *they* prosperous? And why are there
so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
cities but in small seaside towns? There's a veritable army of them
and they don't look very prosperous to me! And street beggars! Curious
there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU! In
fact *none* of these phenomena existed prior to the year Britain
joined the EU - or "Common Market" as it was back then. These are all
signs of poverty, not prosperity, and they've arisen since and as a
consquence of being fucked over by Brussels and their disastrous for
the UK re-distributionist policies. All I want to know is, why has it
taken the British nearly half a century to work out they're being
preyed on by a bunch of narcicistic parasites and to *finally* do
something about it!!

Turby

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Dec 22, 2020, 8:38:50 PM12/22/20
to
On 12/21/2020 7:18 AM, Jon wrote:
>
>
> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y

It's your fault!

boots

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Dec 22, 2020, 9:15:11 PM12/22/20
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On 22/12/2020 22:02 Stephen Packer penned these words:
I'd hope to last another 20 years but it will be close to the final curtain by
then if I do.

boots

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Dec 22, 2020, 9:17:47 PM12/22/20
to
On 23/12/2020 02:46 The Older Gentleman penned these words:
> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>
>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>
>>> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
>>> remarkably subdued these days.
>>>
>>> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
>>> Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about to
>>> zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
>>> you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> You twats.
>>
>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
>
> Really?
>
Adds uk.d-i-y to cross-post filter

sweller

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Dec 23, 2020, 2:04:02 AM12/23/20
to
The Older Gentleman wrote:

> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
> what an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.

> You twats.

Arguably, your consistent fetishisation of WW2 (I cite your
masturbatory references to military equipment and *that* Bike piece on
the Elefant) have reinforced that English (and it is English)
exceptionalism that has led us to this point - so you have some blame
to shoulder here.

The skies are darkening with chickens coming home to roost.

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sweller

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Dec 23, 2020, 2:07:22 AM12/23/20
to
Tosspot wrote:

> > You are assuming you can get out of the UK.
> > Currently we are persona non grata.
>
> I'm hoping that little piece of drama moves on. It would help if I
> could get one of the much vaunted covid tests, but that appears
> impossible unless you actually have covid. Bit of a poser that one.

The railway have quite extensive testing regimes for drivers and other
staff who have to work in close proximity so that bubbles can be formed.

We discovered fairly early on that social distancing in a driving cab
was pretty tricky.

--
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Pete Fisher

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Dec 23, 2020, 2:08:16 AM12/23/20
to
On 23/12/2020 01:38, Turby wrote:
> On 12/21/2020 7:18 AM, Jon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y
>
> It's your fault!
>
>

So it seems. It's OK for you as a Merkanians'neutral'. Some of us have
to share space with these mouth breathers. I would hazard a guess that a
Venn diagram of Brexit fanatics and mask refusing Covid deniers that
think the sun shines out of Johnson's arse would be informative.

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sweller

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Dec 23, 2020, 2:09:48 AM12/23/20
to
The Older Gentleman wrote:

> > I'm still convinced they were
> > in fact black.
>
> I can only remember black. We might have had blue ones when I was a
> kid, pre-1973, but I don't remember the colour.

I was at Graham's Port musuem in Porto a couple of years ago and they
had light blue passports of the original British owners but they dated
from late 18th/early 19th C - IIRC.

My passport from the 80s was definitely very, very dark blue/black.

It's the one with my comdy GDR visas.

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Ace

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Dec 23, 2020, 2:37:08 AM12/23/20
to
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:46:55 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Tosspot <frank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm still convinced they were
>> in fact black.
>
>I can only remember black. We might have had blue ones when I was a kid,
>pre-1973, but I don't remember the colour.

I had at least two, I think possibly three of the old hardback
passports. First one issued in 1976. Still kicking around in a drawer
somewhere.

They were blue. Very dark Royal Blue. Not black.
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Chris N Deuchar

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Dec 23, 2020, 4:45:28 AM12/23/20
to
In article <1p1tt4u.1bhbjz8muuvjxN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > various EU
> > countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
> > from the UK
>
> I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
> currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
> tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
> the virus, this shows we're on their side.
>
> We're actually helping them....

You mean we're not?
Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
I blame the frogs, obviously.
C

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YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 6:36:04 AM12/23/20
to
On 23/12/2020 00:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
> <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>> <t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
>>> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
>>> project fear ever predicted.
>>
>> What a load of fucking bollocks.
>
> Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
> many families dependent on food banks nowadays? Is that a sign of a
Tory Government.

> prosperous country? And what about the people who have to choose
> between heating and eating? Are *they* prosperous? And why are there
Tory Government.

> so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
> cities but in small seaside towns? There's a veritable army of them
Tory Government.

> and they don't look very prosperous to me! And street beggars! Curious
> there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU! In
Tory Government.

> fact *none* of these phenomena existed prior to the year Britain
Aye, back in those days we just had "gentleman of the roads" and "tramps".

> joined the EU - or "Common Market" as it was back then. These are all
> signs of poverty, not prosperity, and they've arisen since and as a
> consquence of being fucked over by Brussels and their disastrous for

We could list safety (H&S) of work forces, FoM, and other gains (like
mobile roaming), along with tariff free import/export as benefits.

Would you care to list genuine "fucked over" items for discussion?

> the UK re-distributionist policies. All I want to know is, why has it
> taken the British nearly half a century to work out they're being
> preyed on by a bunch of narcicistic parasites and to *finally* do
> something about it!!
>
Tory Government. They fit that bill.

alan_m

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Dec 23, 2020, 6:42:51 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 00:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:

> so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
> cities but in small seaside towns?

They were shipped out on mass from the large cities to cheap B&Bs in
seaside towns. Possibly because of the ongoing reasons they were rough
sleepers in the first place is now the reason the BB landlords don't
want them and they are again rough sleepers - but now in a different
location.

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Mike Fleming

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:12:21 AM12/23/20
to
In article <kt45ufhsj8tovjp46...@4ax.com>, Cursitor Doom
<c...@noreply.com> writes:

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
> <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> ><t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >
> >> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
> >> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
> >> project fear ever predicted.
> >
> >What a load of fucking bollocks.
>
> Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
> many families dependent on food banks nowadays? Is that a sign of a
> prosperous country? And what about the people who have to choose
> between heating and eating? Are *they* prosperous? And why are there
> so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
> cities but in small seaside towns? There's a veritable army of them
> and they don't look very prosperous to me! And street beggars! Curious
> there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU!

How wonderful your rose-tinted glasses are. The poverty in this
country is a product entirely of this country's making. Don't blame
the EU, it's right-wing shitbags that have done this. Still, believe
in the fictitious past if you want to, you stupid fucking gammon.

Champ

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:22:12 AM12/23/20
to
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:46:55 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> various EU
>> countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
>> from the UK

>I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
>currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
>tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
>the virus, this shows we're on their side.
>
>We're actually helping them....

As I understand itthe borders are closed, whatever your nationality
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Bruce Horrocks

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:23:33 AM12/23/20
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On 20/12/2020 21:55, YTC#1 wrote:

> What with Dover already out of action due to Covid/French.
>
> Who would have thought an EU nation could control its borders? Funny eh ?

[a small amount of time passes and the borders re-open]

Who would have thought that two EU nations and an ex-EU nation could
come to an agreement regarding trade? Funny eh ?

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Champ

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:26:35 AM12/23/20
to
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 19:03:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Europe will simply close the EU down. It's an unnecessary waste of time
>and money.

ah, the famous "the EU is doomed anyway" argument. For which, in the
4 years since 2016, there is zero evidence. Every poll shows an
increased majority of EU citizens believing the EU is good for them
and their country

Champ

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:28:00 AM12/23/20
to
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 00:57:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
><{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>><t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
>>> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
>>> project fear ever predicted.
>>
>>What a load of fucking bollocks.
>
>Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
>many families dependent on food banks nowadays?

If it was a problem caused by the EU, then food banks would be a
feature of other countries across the EU. But they are not. They are
a feature of the UK, which has a government which has imposed
austerity for 10 years

Champ

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:29:09 AM12/23/20
to
On 23 Dec 2020 07:04:00 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
>> what an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>
>> You twats.
>
>Arguably, your consistent fetishisation of WW2 (I cite your
>masturbatory references to military equipment and *that* Bike piece on
>the Elefant) have reinforced that English (and it is English)
>exceptionalism that has led us to this point - so you have some blame
>to shoulder here.

This is a home truth that needed saying, Muray

>The skies are darkening with chickens coming home to roost.

Indeed

Salad Dodger

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:30:32 AM12/23/20
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:45:23 -0000, Chris N Deuchar <chr...@ukrm.net>
wrote:

>Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
>clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
>I blame the frogs, obviously.

Of course, the locals are blaming it on any poor sod who has recently
washed up in a dinghy.

If people had followed guidelines, it wouldn't matter where it came
from.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:34:52 AM12/23/20
to
In article <vcg6ufd4ad0vtt541...@4ax.com>,
Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <kt45ufhsj8tovjp46...@4ax.com>, Cursitor Doom
> <c...@noreply.com> writes:

> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
> > <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> > ><t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> > >
> > >> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
> > >> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
> > >> project fear ever predicted.
> > >
> > >What a load of fucking bollocks.
> >
> > Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
> > many families dependent on food banks nowadays? Is that a sign of a
> > prosperous country? And what about the people who have to choose
> > between heating and eating? Are *they* prosperous? And why are there
> > so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
> > cities but in small seaside towns? There's a veritable army of them
> > and they don't look very prosperous to me! And street beggars! Curious
> > there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU!

> How wonderful your rose-tinted glasses are. The poverty in this
> country is a product entirely of this country's making. Don't blame
> the EU, it's right-wing shitbags that have done this. Still, believe
> in the fictitious past if you want to, you stupid fucking gammon.

You can IMHO date it all back to Thatcher. Her wanting to 'take back
control' to the traditional ruling classes. Shift the short lived
advantages the working class had through unions, etc. Back to the money
grabbers like Philip Green and his ilk. And of course managing to con that
same working class that is was in their interests. The power of the
headline writers in papers many just bought for the sport and celebrity
gossip.

And they got what they wanted - an obscene spread between the richest and
poorest. For the 'benefit' of the 'country'. And of course poor sops like
Turnip thinking they would be swept along by this wave of prosperity for
the very rich, and become one too.

The really odd thing being that neither he nor the likes of Doom realise
what a con it was.

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Andy Burns

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Dec 23, 2020, 8:49:26 AM12/23/20
to
Champ wrote:

> If it was a problem caused by the EU, then food banks would be a
> feature of other countries across the EU. But they are not. They are
> a feature of the UK

Google suggests otherwise

<https://www.eurofoodbank.org/en/members-network>

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:15:55 AM12/23/20
to
Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/22/2020 11:03 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 22/12/2020 18:46, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You twats.
> >>>
> >>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
> >>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
> >>
> >> Really?
> >
> > I mean these remoaners cling to the bloody EU
>
> Wanna trade idiots?

What's the rate of exchange? Three of ours for one of yours?

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The Older Gentleman

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:15:55 AM12/23/20
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Chris N Deuchar <chr...@ukrm.net> wrote:

> In article <1p1tt4u.1bhbjz8muuvjxN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> >
> > Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > various EU
> > > countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
> > > from the UK
> >
> > I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
> > currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
> > tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
> > the virus, this shows we're on their side.
> >
> > We're actually helping them....
>
> You mean we're not?
> Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
> clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
> I blame the frogs, obviously.

The Doctor - pro virologist, remember - says she's not surprised it was
spotted first in the UK as we (apparently) do more Covid-19 gene
sequencing than anyone else.

One of the German newspapers today said much the same - it wasn't
spotted anywhere else, not because it wasn't there, but because "If you
don't look you won't find".

Little Brother, in France, says that they're already calling it the
"English Variant" there.

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:15:55 AM12/23/20
to
Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com> wrote:

> And street beggars! Curious
> there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU!

Wow. Just WOW. Britain had no beggars before 1973. Who knew?

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:15:56 AM12/23/20
to
Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> If it was a problem caused by the EU, then food banks would be a
> feature of other countries across the EU. But they are not. They are
> a feature of the UK, which has a government which has imposed
> austerity for 10 years

I'd like to think they're a feature of the UK because we're inherently a
generous country.

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:23:53 AM12/23/20
to
Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On 23 Dec 2020 07:04:00 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> >> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
> >> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
> >> what an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
> >
> >> You twats.
> >
> >Arguably, your consistent fetishisation of WW2 (I cite your
> >masturbatory references to military equipment and *that* Bike piece on
> >the Elefant) have reinforced that English (and it is English)
> >exceptionalism that has led us to this point - so you have some blame
> >to shoulder here.
>
> This is a home truth that needed saying, Muray

I am, in the most literal sense of the word, a history scholar. I've
always been interested in the century from about 1860 on.

I am very fond of aircraft and ships, civil and military. More military
than civil when it comes to aircraft - more civil than military when it
comes to ships.

Not really interested in anything else on the hardware side.

Interestingly, at the Elefant, it was the Germans who came up with the
joke about their "acht-punkt-acht centimetre" firework rockets shooting
down the British "Lancasters" (our fire balloons).

Andy Burns

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:24:22 AM12/23/20
to
The Older Gentleman wrote:

> The Doctor - pro virologist, remember - says she's not surprised it was
> spotted first in the UK as we (apparently) do more Covid-19 gene
> sequencing than anyone else.

.nz claim to have sequenced "nearly every" infected person.

<https://stuff.co.nz/national/123416115>

PeterP

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Dec 23, 2020, 9:31:22 AM12/23/20
to
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 00:57:37 +0000
Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
> <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> ><t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >
> >> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover
> >> much faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking
> >> disaster than project fear ever predicted.
> >
> >What a load of fucking bollocks.
>
> Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
> many families dependent on food banks nowadays? Is that a sign of a
> prosperous country? And what about the people who have to choose
> between heating and eating? Are *they* prosperous? And why are there
> so many rough-sleepers dossing in shop doorways not just in the major
> cities but in small seaside towns? There's a veritable army of them
> and they don't look very prosperous to me! And street beggars! Curious
> there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU! In
> fact *none* of these phenomena existed prior to the year Britain
> joined the EU - or "Common Market" as it was back then. These are all
> signs of poverty, not prosperity, and they've arisen since and as a
> consquence of being fucked over by Brussels and their disastrous for
> the UK re-distributionist policies. All I want to know is, why has it
> taken the British nearly half a century to work out they're being
> preyed on by a bunch of narcicistic parasites and to *finally* do
> something about it!!
>

All caused by your beloved Conservative policies.

What I'm REALLY sad about is that we missed a once in a lifetime chance
to have a real reformer like Corbyn in charge.

alan_m

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On 23/12/2020 13:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


> You can IMHO date it all back to Thatcher. Her wanting to 'take back
> control' to the traditional ruling classes.

And didn't Labour have 12 to 13 years afterwards to reverse all of her
policies?

PeterP

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:02:34 AM12/23/20
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 14:50:33 +0000
alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 23/12/2020 13:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>
> > You can IMHO date it all back to Thatcher. Her wanting to 'take back
> > control' to the traditional ruling classes.
>
> And didn't Labour have 12 to 13 years afterwards to reverse all of
> her policies?
>

Blair's New Labour got elected by promising more of the same. No
scaring the horses, no disruption to big business, and that's pretty
much what they did.

Starmer seems to be hoping to play the same hand, sadly.



Pete Fisher

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:20:30 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 02:17, boots wrote:
> On 23/12/2020 02:46 The Older Gentleman penned these words:
>> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just what
>>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
>>>> remarkably subdued these days.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
>>>> Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are about to
>>>> zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
>>>> you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
>>>> soon.
>>>>
>>>> You twats.
>>>
>>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
>>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
>>
>> Really?
>>
> Adds uk.d-i-y to cross-post filter
>

+1 - with knobs on !

PeterP

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:22:30 AM12/23/20
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On 23 Dec 2020 15:12:58 GMT
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 23 Dec 2020 at 14:31:19 GMT, PeterP <pe...@palindrome.invalid>
> Congrats. You have earned the Twit of the Year Show's prize for the
> stupidest post of 2020.
>

Yeah, I had it in the bag until you followed-up.

> Corbyn: that born decisive leader with the lightning sharp intellect
> and unparalleled ability to come up with first class policies that
> would have taken us all the way forward to the 19th century. Fabulous.
>

You're a righttard idiot.


Bob Eager

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:48:53 AM12/23/20
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 15:12:58 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

> Corbyn: that born decisive leader with the lightning sharp intellect and
> unparalleled ability to come up with first class policies that would
> have taken us all the way forward to the 19th century. Fabulous.

You forgot 'unelectable'. Starmer is biding his time. He wants to own no
part of the current clusterfuck.

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The Older Gentleman

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Yeah, but they haven't got many people to start with. Interesting,
though.

Dave Plowman (News)

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:56:00 AM12/23/20
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In article <1p1vbe9.14n1oyxjow0a8N%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com> wrote:

> > And street beggars! Curious
> > there weren't any of them around either before we joined the EU!

> Wow. Just WOW. Britain had no beggars before 1973. Who knew?

I'm sure Doom did. Something to spit at.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Dec 23, 2020, 10:56:01 AM12/23/20
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In article <i4h53q...@mid.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Corbyn: that born decisive leader with the lightning sharp intellect and
> unparalleled ability to come up with first class policies that would have
> taken us all the way forward to the 19th century. Fabulous.

Instead of criticising what you think Corbyn might have done, you could
tell us of all Bojo's successes. It won't take you long.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:06:06 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 13:12, Mike Fleming wrote:
> Still, believe
> in the fictitious past if you want to, you stupid fucking gammon.

Emotionally attached.
Poor dear thing.


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The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:06:42 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 13:27, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 00:57:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@noreply.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:02:46 +0000, Mike Fleming
>> <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <rrtfu4$d75$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <t...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> In the end Brexit will enable us to react much faster and recover much
>>>> faster from Covid, which is far far more of a fucking disaster than
>>>> project fear ever predicted.
>>>
>>> What a load of fucking bollocks.
>>
>> Is it?? If EU membership made us better off, then why do we have so
>> many families dependent on food banks nowadays?
>
> If it was a problem caused by the EU, then food banks would be a
> feature of other countries across the EU. But they are not. They are
> a feature of the UK, which has a government which has imposed
> austerity for 10 years
>
In greece they just starve instead.

The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:07:43 AM12/23/20
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Champ doesn't listen to rational arguments , only to ones that fit his
bigotry

Not so much a gammon as a silly saucisson

The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:09:16 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 14:31, PeterP wrote:
> What I'm REALLY sad about is that we missed a once in a lifetime chance
> to have a real reformer like Corbyn in charge.
ROFLMAO!

I think you need to move to Venezuela. Or Zimbabwe. Or North Korea.
You will get proper Corbyn style government there.



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The Natural Philosopher

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:11:07 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 13:26, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 19:03:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Europe will simply close the EU down. It's an unnecessary waste of time
>> and money.
>
> ah, the famous "the EU is doomed anyway" argument. For which, in the
> 4 years since 2016, there is zero evidence. Every poll shows an
> increased majority of EU citizens believing the EU is good for them
> and their country
>
Every poll conducted by the EU...

Perhaps you are simply too young to remember who over 100% of Russians
used to vote for the communist party....

Scion

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:27:51 AM12/23/20
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 14:15:52 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Chris N Deuchar <chr...@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1p1tt4u.1bhbjz8muuvjxN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
>> totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>> >
>> > Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > > various EU countries have just exhibited in closing their borders
>> > > to travellers from the UK
>> >
>> > I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
>> > currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
>> > tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread
>> > of the virus, this shows we're on their side.
>> >
>> > We're actually helping them....
>>
>> You mean we're not?
>> Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
>> clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
>> I blame the frogs, obviously.
>
> The Doctor - pro virologist, remember - says she's not surprised it was
> spotted first in the UK as we (apparently) do more Covid-19 gene
> sequencing than anyone else.
>
> One of the German newspapers today said much the same - it wasn't
> spotted anywhere else, not because it wasn't there, but because "If you
> don't look you won't find".
>
> Little Brother, in France, says that they're already calling it the
> "English Variant" there.

Similar to "Spanish flu" a century ago which sprang up in the US and made
its way to the UK, Germany and France before Spain even got a whiff.

PeterP

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:30:40 AM12/23/20
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 16:11:05 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/12/2020 13:26, Champ wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 19:03:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> > <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Europe will simply close the EU down. It's an unnecessary waste of
> >> time and money.
> >
> > ah, the famous "the EU is doomed anyway" argument. For which, in
> > the 4 years since 2016, there is zero evidence. Every poll shows an
> > increased majority of EU citizens believing the EU is good for them
> > and their country
> >
> Every poll conducted by the EU...
>
> Perhaps you are simply too young to remember who over 100% of
> Russians used to vote for the communist party....
>

I can remember when saying " My hovercraft is full of eels" wouldn't
get you into trouble with customs.

PeterP

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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 16:09:14 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/12/2020 14:31, PeterP wrote:
> > What I'm REALLY sad about is that we missed a once in a lifetime
> > chance to have a real reformer like Corbyn in charge.
> ROFLMAO!
>
> I think you need to move to Venezuela. Or Zimbabwe. Or North Korea.
> You will get proper Corbyn style government there.
>

Go away, you stupid cunt.



YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:41:41 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 13:30, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:45:23 -0000, Chris N Deuchar <chr...@ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
>> clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
>> I blame the frogs, obviously.
>
> Of course, the locals are blaming it on any poor sod who has recently
> washed up in a dinghy.
>

They shouldn't have shagged him then, should they.

> If people had followed guidelines, it wouldn't matter where it came
> from.
>



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YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:43:57 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 14:15, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Chris N Deuchar <chr...@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1p1tt4u.1bhbjz8muuvjxN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
>> totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>>>
>>> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> various EU
>>>> countries have just exhibited in closing their borders to travellers
>>>> from the UK
>>>
>>> I can't help wondering whether we should prevent all French people
>>> currently in the UK from leaving until they have a series of Covid
>>> tests. I mean, if the French government is worried about the spread of
>>> the virus, this shows we're on their side.
>>>
>>> We're actually helping them....
>>
>> You mean we're not?
>> Akshully, if you look at the spread of the new variant on the map, it
>> clearly suggests it came IN via Dover - not the other way round.
>> I blame the frogs, obviously.
>
> The Doctor - pro virologist, remember - says she's not surprised it was
> spotted first in the UK as we (apparently) do more Covid-19 gene
> sequencing than anyone else.

Something we are really world beating at, but never gets mentioned.

>
> One of the German newspapers today said much the same - it wasn't
> spotted anywhere else, not because it wasn't there, but because "If you
> don't look you won't find".
>
ding a ding, ding.

It will be in many more countries than listed.
Colds and flu do this all the time, but people have very little
understanding. Calling in mutant is just headline grabbing.

> Little Brother, in France, says that they're already calling it the
> "English Variant" there.
>
Trump not started on us yet ?

YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:45:12 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 15:53, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>
>>> The Doctor - pro virologist, remember - says she's not surprised it was
>>> spotted first in the UK as we (apparently) do more Covid-19 gene
>>> sequencing than anyone else.
>>
>> .nz claim to have sequenced "nearly every" infected person.
>>
>> <https://stuff.co.nz/national/123416115>
>
> Yeah, but they haven't got many people to start with. Interesting,
> though.
>
>

How the world has changed since DNA sequencing was cracked. WHo would
have thought it could be more useful than famous people working out they
were related to a no-mark monarch at some point.

YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:48:39 AM12/23/20
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I think you will find it started in the battle fields of Europe. And the
news of it was suppressed to pacify the potential mobs.

<url:https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic>
<url:https://www.britannica.com/event/influenza-pandemic-of-1918-1919>

Not a hard check to make, but hey, if you want to blame the yanks, fine
by me.

YTC#1

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Dec 23, 2020, 11:50:21 AM12/23/20
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On 23/12/2020 13:23, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 20/12/2020 21:55, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> What with Dover already out of action due to Covid/French.
>>
>> Who would have thought an EU nation could control its borders? Funny eh ?
>
> [a small amount of time passes and the borders re-open]
>
> Who would have thought that two EU nations and an ex-EU nation could
> come to an agreement regarding trade? Funny eh ?
>

And amazingly, it took up until just before the 48hr closure was due to
expire.

Is this what Johnson meant by "within hours" when he said it would
reopen, over 24 hours earlier?

YTC#1

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On 23/12/2020 15:20, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 23/12/2020 02:17, boots wrote:
>> On 23/12/2020 02:46 The Older Gentleman penned these words:
>>> Jon <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:47:36 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know the timing, with the worst pandemic for a century, is
>>>>> unfortunate, but I hope all the Little Englanders now realise just
>>>>> what
>>>>> an intergalactic clusterfuck they have created.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's interesting that their squawking on social media seems to be
>>>>> remarkably subdued these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you've no right to live in your cheap jerry-built flat in Spain.
>>>>> Yes, they've shut down your bank accounts. Yes, food prices are
>>>>> about to
>>>>> zoom up. Yes, the insiurance companies will screw you for every penny
>>>>> you've got. And yes, you're likely to be on the Nat King Cole pretty
>>>>> soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> You twats.
>>>>
>>>> Crosspost to uk.d-i-y you'll soon find out that the flag-wavers still
>>>> enjoy a bit of exercise.
>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>> Adds uk.d-i-y to cross-post filter
>>
>
> +1 - with knobs on !
>
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