Not really the same anymore...

[Stephen Packer]

Went to the Kempton Park autojumble today.

Kept expecting to see a beardy bloke selling gaskets and Honda parts.

Well, there were certainly a lot of people that fitted the description, but not the particular beardy bloke I was thinking of.

[Gyp]

I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
--
Gyp

[wessie]

Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:

Blaney?

[YTC#1]

On 25/03/2023 15:28, Stephen Packer wrote:

That reminds me. For those that went on the SOB to the Bol run, a number
of years ago an old gent gave me the slides that went to the press.

I came across them recently (while hunting out my tall ship ones) and
have sent them to be digitised.

I'll make them available to any interested SOB to the Bol runners.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Stephen Packer]

On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:

> > I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
> Blaney?

I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.

[wessie]

Stephen Packer <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c2fe8a39-515e-40d0-
87c6-a9a5...@googlegroups.com:

it was the adjective choice, implying garage queen not a bike with a patina
like TOG would have

[Ben Blaney]

Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times). But I see we might have rain, so it might be a short ride. Plus I need to get home and pack as am leaving for Mexico at 7am on Sunday.

[YTC#1]

On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer wrote:
>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
>>> Blaney?
>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>
> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times).

One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".

[wessie]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer
>> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of
>>>>> someone.
>>>> Blaney?
>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>
>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>> mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>
> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>

it's not entirely unreasonable in many contexts e.g. many of us here
have stayed in the Hotel Enzian in Landeck, Austria. They have a ski
season and a motorcycle season.

A cafe at the nexus of the A44 & A49 just outside Leominster has a
distinct season and opens next month, as Dom's is almost entirely
reliant on motorcycle riders. Plus Dom is a farmer who will be lambing
earlier in the year, so he very much has seasons to his work.

It's not surpsising that many riders and journalists have adopted the
term which reflects their preference for only riding in warmer weather.

I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
snobbery?

[Colin Irvine]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:53:32 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willn...@tesco.net> wrote:

>YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:
>

>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>
>
>it's not entirely unreasonable in many contexts e.g. many of us here
>have stayed in the Hotel Enzian in Landeck, Austria. They have a ski
>season and a motorcycle season.
>
>A cafe at the nexus of the A44 & A49 just outside Leominster has a
>distinct season and opens next month, as Dom's is almost entirely
>reliant on motorcycle riders. Plus Dom is a farmer who will be lambing
>earlier in the year, so he very much has seasons to his work.
>
>It's not surpsising that many riders and journalists have adopted the
>term which reflects their preference for only riding in warmer weather.

Nice straight bat there.

>I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
>bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
>snobbery?

That'd be my guess.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 26/03/2023 10:16, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
>>>> Blaney?
>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>
>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>> mine out on Saturday.  A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>
> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".

I also hate it (nearly as much as 'boating season').
However, sadly, I recognise that age has forced me into recognising both :-(

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 26/03/2023 10:53, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
> news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of
>>>>>> someone.
>>>>> Blaney?
>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>
>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>> mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>>
>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>
>
> it's not entirely unreasonable in many contexts e.g. many of us here
> have stayed in the Hotel Enzian in Landeck, Austria. They have a ski
> season and a motorcycle season.
>
> A cafe at the nexus of the A44 & A49 just outside Leominster has a
> distinct season and opens next month, as Dom's is almost entirely
> reliant on motorcycle riders. Plus Dom is a farmer who will be lambing
> earlier in the year, so he very much has seasons to his work.

(bookmarked for possible future use)

C

[wessie]

"chrisnd @ukrm" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:k8ame6...@mid.individual.net:

>> A cafe at the nexus of the A44 & A49 just outside Leominster has a
>> distinct season and opens next month, as Dom's is almost entirely
>> reliant on motorcycle riders. Plus Dom is a farmer who will be
>> lambing earlier in the year, so he very much has seasons to his work.
>
> (bookmarked for possible future use)
>

make sure it's this one, not the "American Diner" a mile down the road
https://www.facebook.com/groups/DomsBikeStop/
https://goo.gl/maps/M5KWe3MRG681ef4z9

there is a campsite with shower block & licensed bar

it's very handy as a meeting/separation point for trips to Wales

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Useful, ta

[Paul Carmichael]

El Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:53:32 +0000, wessie escribió:

> I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
> bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
> snobbery?

Does anyone remember this used to crop up every Spring when MCN announced
the start of the season.

Quite a few here used to go very quiet...

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

[CT]

I used to be a warm weather only rider[1] and then became an all-year
commuter[2].

Now, I'm a *mainly* warm-weather rider. I do ride all year round (if I
feel like it) but I certainly don't do the mileage during Dec, Jan &
Feb that I do in the other months. I've done about 400 miles so far
this year but mostly through short-ish journeys.

[1] And had quite a reputation for not doing many miles at all
[2] See [1]

--
Chris

[YTC#1]

On 26/03/2023 10:53, wessie wrote:

> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
> news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of
>>>>>> someone.
>>>>> Blaney?
>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>
>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>> mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>>
>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>
>

<snip>

> I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
> bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
> snobbery?

Nope.
A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)

[YTC#1]

On 26/03/2023 11:50, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 10:16, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
>>>>> Blaney?
>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>
>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>> mine out on Saturday.  A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>>
>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>
> I also hate it (nearly as much as 'boating season').
> However, sadly, I recognise that age has forced me into recognising both
> :-(
>

You can only go on a boat after Spring?

[wessie]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
news:tvpsbg$2p5o6$2...@dont-email.me:

> Nope.
> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>

you are making as much sense as Eric Cantona

[Pete Fisher]

Jonathan Livingston Seagull doesn't really exist?
Tell me it ain't so!


--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

[Ben Blaney]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 5:16:50 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:

> > Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times).
> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".

Well, there are months and months where there's snow on the ground here, so not unreasonable.

[RustyHinge]

On 26/03/2023 10:53, wessie wrote:

> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
> news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:

>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer

>>> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of
>>>>>> someone.
>>>>> Blaney?
>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>
>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>> mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>>
>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>
>
> it's not entirely unreasonable in many contexts e.g. many of us here
> have stayed in the Hotel Enzian in Landeck, Austria. They have a ski
> season and a motorcycle season.
>
> A cafe at the nexus of the A44 & A49 just outside Leominster has a
> distinct season and opens next month, as Dom's is almost entirely
> reliant on motorcycle riders. Plus Dom is a farmer who will be lambing
> earlier in the year, so he very much has seasons to his work.
>
> It's not surpsising that many riders and journalists have adopted the
> term which reflects their preference for only riding in warmer weather.
>
> I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
> bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
> snobbery?

Well, I was around 30 when I got a more-than-3-wheeler licence, and the
only reason I got that was as a teacher in a boarding-school, it was
more than handy.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

[RustyHinge]

On 26/03/2023 17:37, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 26/03/2023 10:53, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:tvp2hv$2kt4f$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of
>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>> Blaney?
>>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>>> mine out on Saturday.  A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York
>>>> 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down
>>>> to it in the colder, darker times).
>>>
>>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>>
>>
> <snip>
>> I am assuming you don't like the idea that some people consider riding a
>> bike as something other than an all year practice? Some sort of RTB
>> snobbery?
>
> Nope.
> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)

<Puts snotrag in polythene bag> Oh yes? <shakes fist>

<Pat> "Have you got a tissue?"
<MICK> "Forget it: it'll be miles away by now." </political incorrectitude>

[RustyHinge]

Point taken - I once toured the Highlands of Scotland in the winter on a
solo WD DR G3 Matchless (Without falling off, I might add), but still,
point taken.

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 26/03/2023 17:39, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 26/03/2023 11:50, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>> On 26/03/2023 10:16, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2023 00:18, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:21:36 PM UTC-4, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 25 March 2023 at 18:26:02 UTC, wessie wrote:
>>>>>> Gyp <a@b.c> wrote in news:tvnb9p$297vq$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>> I saw a chap riding a beautiful 400/4 today. Reminded me of someone.
>>>>>> Blaney?
>>>>> I'm not convinced he rides them, just polishes them a little.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get
>>>> mine out on Saturday.  A friend of mine says that in Upstate New
>>>> York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts
>>>> down to it in the colder, darker times).
>>>
>>> One of those phrases that I hate. "motorcycle season".
>>
>> I also hate it (nearly as much as 'boating season').
>> However, sadly, I recognise that age has forced me into recognising
>> both :-(
>>
>
> You can only go on a boat after Spring?

Living on one is fine anytime - but it's not actually boatING!
IYSWIM?

[YTC#1]

On 26/03/2023 18:11, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 17:50, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:tvpsbg$2p5o6$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> Nope.
>>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>>
>>
>> you are making as much sense as Eric Cantona
>
> Jonathan Livingston Seagull doesn't really exist?
> Tell me it ain't so!
>

You need to realise there is a barrier between fiction and reality

[YTC#1]

On 26/03/2023 23:49, Ben Blaney wrote:

Pah, wusses !
:-)

[Pete Fisher]

On 27/03/2023 09:43, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 18:11, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 26/03/2023 17:50, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:tvpsbg$2p5o6$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> you are making as much sense as Eric Cantona
>>
>> Jonathan Livingston Seagull doesn't really exist?
>> Tell me it ain't so!
>>
> You need to realise there is a barrier between fiction and reality
>>
>
>

Artistic licence is OK though.
Jonathan Livingston Lesser Black-backed Gull isn't a very catchy title.

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 27/03/2023 09:58, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 27/03/2023 09:43, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 26/03/2023 18:11, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2023 17:50, wessie wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:tvpsbg$2p5o6$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are making as much sense as Eric Cantona
>>>
>>> Jonathan Livingston Seagull doesn't really exist?
>>> Tell me it ain't so!
>>>
>> You need to realise there is a barrier between fiction and reality
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Artistic licence is OK though.
> Jonathan Livingston Lesser Black-backed Gull isn't a very catchy title.

Jonathan Livingston Hawk might be better?

(Jonathan Livingston 12-bore(d)?)

[RustyHinge]

On 27/03/2023 09:58, Pete Fisher wrote:

> On 27/03/2023 09:43, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 26/03/2023 18:11, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2023 17:50, wessie wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:tvpsbg$2p5o6$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are making as much sense as Eric Cantona
>>>
>>> Jonathan Livingston Seagull doesn't really exist?
>>> Tell me it ain't so!
>>>
>> You need to realise there is a barrier between fiction and reality
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Artistic licence is OK though.
> Jonathan Livingston Lesser Black-backed Gull isn't a very catchy title.

And IMO not a very catchy performer.

Give me St. John's College (Cantab) any time...

[Mike Fleming]

On 26/03/2023 17:37, YTC#1 wrote:
>

> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)

Rubbish.

https://www.britishseagull.com/

[jeremy]

I wouldn't stay home if I had an arranged ride just because the weather was
inclement; however I popped out today specifically because the weather *is*
good for it - dry (though only around 9c). A very pleasant 40 or so miles.

--
jeremy

[Sqirrel99]

"Oh no. Not again"

[wessie]

jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:k8dggt...@mid.individual.net:

> I wouldn't stay home if I had an arranged ride just because the
> weather was inclement; however I popped out today specifically because
> the weather *is* good for it - dry (though only around 9c). A very
> pleasant 40 or so miles.
>

AOL

just did a lap of the Cotswolds taking a packed lunch to a favourite
viewpoint https://goo.gl/maps/nzpdDS4kTgeisFBr8

Adam's Cotswold Farm Park just along the road was very busy

I have ditched the muffs until Nov/Dec but one needed to use the heated
grips as it was a bit nippy on the top

[chrisnd @ukrm]

<nostalgia mode>
Aaahhh! I used to have one of those - a rare 102+
It had this huge 3" diameter brass exhaust.
I always managed to get it going again within 5 minutes every time it
fell in the canal[1] :-/
Fantastic old thing - bit heavy on the 2-stroke oil but reliable as you
know what.
<nm>

Chris

[1] which was several. It was chained on to the back of my then boat -
but the bracket was not too good and prevented a shorter chain which
meant that on fast tight turns[2] it was prone to swivelling off.
[2]

[YTC#1]

Wheras I got the push bike out. (11 miles)

[YTC#1]

Nope, do tell.

[jeremy]

On 27 Mar 2023 at 16:26:08 BST, "YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:

>>
>
> Wheras I got the push bike out. (11 miles)

I could have done that too. Though I haven't ridden mine for (insufficient
fingers to calculate) years and I only recently retrieved it from the back of
the garage with the intention of taking it to the tip - it looked seriously
forlorn, flat tyres and a seat that appears to be disintegrating. But I
couldn't bring myself to discard it so it's now awaiting its turn to be given
some TLC.

--
jeremy

[Champ]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 14:55:35 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willn...@tesco.net> wrote:

>just did a lap of the Cotswolds taking a packed lunch to a favourite
>viewpoint https://goo.gl/maps/nzpdDS4kTgeisFBr8

Lovely

I have a mate who used to live in Guiting Power
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Err, well if you're static and on a boat - you are just 'on a boat' - or
maybe even 'living afloat' - but that's not boatING.
You are only 'boatING' while you are in the process of moving about...
Clear now?

[YTC#1]

On 27/03/2023 16:34, jeremy wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023 at 16:26:08 BST, "YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Wheras I got the push bike out. (11 miles)
>
> I could have done that too. Though I haven't ridden mine for (insufficient
> fingers to calculate) years and I only recently retrieved it from the back of
> the garage with the intention of taking it to the tip - it looked seriously

I've got my old push bike gathering dust in the garage, that reminds me,
I am meant to be donating it to a local charity bike shop.

> forlorn, flat tyres and a seat that appears to be disintegrating. But I
> couldn't bring myself to discard it so it's now awaiting its turn to be given
> some TLC.
>

Go on, you know you want to.

[YTC#1]

So, if a yacht is becalmed you are just on a yacht? :-) Or is yachtING
boatING, or should that be sailING.

And if you are on a tanker moving freight are you shipping or shippING? :-)

[Mark Olson]

Here to an even greater degree. There's just no sane way of riding on
the street when there's frozen stretches of rutted ice everywhere.
Even if studded tires were allowed (not since the 70s) I wouldn't
risk it.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

[Turby]

On 3/26/2023 9:37 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>

I've heard that baloney here, too. There are gulls who live inland as
well as oceanic gulls, (Great Salt Lake in Utah is notorious for them,)
so differentiating them makes sense. Of course there are numerous
breeds, (the most common here is the Western,) but that's irrelevant.


--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

[YTC#1]

On 27/03/2023 23:37, Turby wrote:
> On 3/26/2023 9:37 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>
> I've heard that baloney here, too. There are gulls who live inland as
> well as oceanic gulls, (Great Salt Lake in Utah is notorious for them,)
> so differentiating them makes sense. Of course there are numerous

The issue is that people don't differentiate them.
They see gulls over Derby (near as damn middle of England) and call them
seagulls.

The phrase is only a "common practice" and not such species exists.

> breeds, (the most common here is the Western,) but that's irrelevant.
>

Herring gulls.
Black headed gulls
common gulls
Lesser black backed gull
Great black back gull

Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
right cunt and trying to eat your chips!

[Pete Fisher]

On 28/03/2023 09:19, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 27/03/2023 23:37, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/26/2023 9:37 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>

>
> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!
>>
>
>

Or ice cream!

[Mike Fleming]

On 28/03/2023 09:19, YTC#1 wrote:
>

> Herring gulls.
> Black headed gulls
> common gulls
> Lesser black backed gull
> Great black back gull
>
> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!

Herring gulls can frequently be seen hunting shoals of herring across
landfill sites all over the UK.

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Discarded kipper bap waste from IoM?

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 28/03/2023 09:19, YTC#1 wrote:

> On 27/03/2023 23:37, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/26/2023 9:37 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>> A bit like there is no such thing as a seagull :-)
>>>
>> I've heard that baloney here, too. There are gulls who live inland as
>> well as oceanic gulls, (Great Salt Lake in Utah is notorious for
>> them,) so differentiating them makes sense. Of course there are numerous
>
> The issue is that people don't differentiate them.
> They see gulls over Derby (near as damn middle of England) and call them
> seagulls.
>
> The phrase is only a "common practice" and not such species exists.

Good point. Here where I am ('near Derby' as it happens - at 'Long Eaton
by the sea') I see plenty of the common and black-headed varieties[1]
daily.

> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!

Sounds like Ilkeston?

Chris
[cunningly avoiding the use of the word 'gull')

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Hmmm.. I sense a bit of a wind up here? :-)
So I'll just leave you with this as a starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boating
:-)

[Mark Olson]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:

> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!

Not just chips. Fuckers.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JVg47ZAYTpGFpA89A

[YTC#1]

On 28/03/2023 10:38, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 09:19, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 27/03/2023 23:37, Turby wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2023 9:37 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>
>
>>
>> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
>> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Or ice cream!
>
>
>

No fucker gets my ice cream!

[YTC#1]

Aye, but lost your #1

[YTC#1]

Nowt but a breeze :-)

> So I'll just leave you with this as a starting point:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boating

If it fits on a ship, it is a boat.

[CT]

chrisnd @ukrm wrote:

> Good point. Here where I am ('near Derby' as it happens - at 'Long
> Eaton by the sea') I see plenty of the common and black-headed
> varieties[1] daily.

The "common" ones are more likely to be Herring and/or Lesser Black
Backed gulls. Common Gulls are relatively uncommon in comparison.

--
Chris

[CT]

YTC#1 wrote:

> If it fits on a ship, it is a boat.

Generally...

https://www.marineinsight.com/types-of-ships/7-differences-between-a-ship-and-a-boat/

"Technically speaking, a mode of water transport that weighs at least
500 tonnes or above is categorised as a ship."

--
Chris

[Higgins]

I suspect that HMS Vanguard weighs rather more than that and wouldn’t fit
on a ship.

[geoffC]

The tinned variety ?
--
Geoff
NTV 650

[CT]

Higgins wrote:

> I suspect that HMS Vanguard weighs rather more than that and wouldn’t
> fit on a ship.

Is a submarine also a boat or a ship?

According to Wikipedia:

"The eleventh HMS Vanguard of the Royal Navy is the lead *boat* of her
class..."

--
Chris

[geoffC]

On 28/03/2023 10:19, YTC#1 wrote:

>
>Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
>right cunt and trying to eat your chips!
>>
>

Or shitting all over the car/window/table/chair etc you have just
painstakingly cleaned.


--
Geoff
NTV 650

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 28/03/2023 10:52, Mike Fleming wrote:

That's probably a just red herring.
--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Bruce Horrocks]

Taxonomically, I think you'll find they come under a sub-classification.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[YTC#1]

On 28/03/2023 17:05, CT wrote:

> Higgins wrote:
>
>> I suspect that HMS Vanguard weighs rather more than that and wouldn’t
>> fit on a ship.
>
> Is a submarine also a boat or a ship?
>

U-boat

[chrisnd @ukrm]

On 28/03/2023 17:05, CT wrote:

submariners insist they are 'boats'

HTH, Chris

[Pipl]

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 14:53:22 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
<chr...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 28/03/2023 17:05, CT wrote:
>> Higgins wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that HMS Vanguard weighs rather more than that and wouldn’t
>>> fit on a ship.
>>
>> Is a submarine also a boat or a ship?
>>
>> According to Wikipedia:
>>
>> "The eleventh HMS Vanguard of the Royal Navy is the lead *boat* of her
>> class..."
>>
>submariners insist they are 'boats'

Yep. Traditional since they were first little more than boats and
considered a bit underhand. Though "SSN" and "SSBN" stand for
Submersible Ship Nuclear and Submersible Ship Ballistic Nuclear
respectively. Or "Ship, Submersible etc" as I've seen it written.

--

-Pip

[Mike Fleming]

On 28/03/2023 15:29, Mark Olson wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Apart from being gulls, the only think they have in common is being a
>> right cunt and trying to eat your chips!
>
> Not just chips. Fuckers.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JVg47ZAYTpGFpA89A

SWMBO and I were sitting on a bench next to Mevagissey harbour when one
dive-bombed her and snatched the first inch of her pasty[1]. At the same
time, something large and feathery smacked into the back of my head and
ricocheted off. My pasty[1] remained intact, fortunately.

[1] The edible sort

[Mike Fleming]

On 29/03/2023 14:53, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 17:05, CT wrote:
>> Higgins wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that HMS Vanguard weighs rather more than that and wouldn’t
>>> fit on a ship.
>>
>> Is a submarine also a boat or a ship?
>>
>> According to Wikipedia:
>> "The eleventh HMS Vanguard of the Royal Navy is the lead *boat* of her
>> class..."
>>
> submariners insist they are 'boats'
>
> HTH, Chris

And to them, surface craft are skimmers.

[Ace]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:48:46 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk>
wrote:

I prefer a different definition - if you can leave it on its own at
anchor it's a boat, if you need someone to stay on board and keep a
lookout it's a ship.

Yeah, submarines, whatever.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[Mike Fleming]

On 30/03/2023 15:50, Ace wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:48:46 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>> If it fits on a ship, it is a boat.
>>
>> Generally...
>>
>> https://www.marineinsight.com/types-of-ships/7-differences-between-a-ship-and-a-boat/
>>
>> "Technically speaking, a mode of water transport that weighs at least
>> 500 tonnes or above is categorised as a ship."
>
> I prefer a different definition - if you can leave it on its own at
> anchor it's a boat,

or a really shitty ship,

> if you need someone to stay on board and keep a
> lookout it's a ship.

or a very very expensive boat.

[Pipl]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:54:18 +0100, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 30/03/2023 15:50, Ace wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:48:46 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it fits on a ship, it is a boat.
>>>
>>> Generally...
>>>
>>> https://www.marineinsight.com/types-of-ships/7-differences-between-a-ship-and-a-boat/
>>>
>>> "Technically speaking, a mode of water transport that weighs at least
>>> 500 tonnes or above is categorised as a ship."
>>
>> I prefer a different definition - if you can leave it on its own at
>> anchor it's a boat,
>
>or a really shitty ship,

I read a book called "Jumping ships" (I think, or its sequel) and
there was a chapter about a couple of bulk carriers that somehow had
their cargoes of cement (or something similar) set solid. They were
write-offs, afloat, moored, but no one on board while the insurance
wrangling went on. Can't find any other reference to the incndent
though.

If true, fulfills the "shitty unmanned ship" criterion.


--

-Pip

[Ace]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:13:09 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:54:18 +0100, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>wrote:

>>or a really shitty ship,
>
>I read a book called "Jumping ships" (I think, or its sequel) and
>there was a chapter about a couple of bulk carriers that somehow had
>their cargoes of cement (or something similar) set solid. They were
>write-offs, afloat, moored, but no one on board while the insurance
>wrangling went on. Can't find any other reference to the incndent
>though.
>
>If true, fulfills the "shitty unmanned ship" criterion.

At that point it's no longer a ship or a boat, it's become a 'hulk'.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[YTC#1]

On 31/03/2023 10:32, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:13:09 +0100, Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:54:18 +0100, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>> or a really shitty ship,
>>
>> I read a book called "Jumping ships" (I think, or its sequel) and
>> there was a chapter about a couple of bulk carriers that somehow had
>> their cargoes of cement (or something similar) set solid. They were

There is a reason why cement wagons keep the drum rolling and adding water.

>> write-offs, afloat, moored, but no one on board while the insurance
>> wrangling went on. Can't find any other reference to the incndent
>> though.
>>
>> If true, fulfills the "shitty unmanned ship" criterion.
>
> At that point it's no longer a ship or a boat, it's become a 'hulk'.

Nah, Cement Overcoat/concrete boots

[Eddie]

On 31/03/2023 10:13, Pipl wrote:
>
> I read a book called "Jumping ships" (I think, or its sequel) and
> there was a chapter about a couple of bulk carriers that somehow had
> their cargoes of cement (or something similar) set solid. They were
> write-offs, afloat, moored, but no one on board while the insurance
> wrangling went on. Can't find any other reference to the incndent
> though.

That sounds like something the F-i-L was telling me about. There's some
wrecks off the coast of Nigeria whose cement cargo became surplus to
requirements once the cement factory he worked at (and others) came up
to speed. It wasn't economical to offload them, so they just got left
there to rot.

Ah, sounds like this:
https://www.history.org.uk/publications/resource/10169/legacies-of-the-cement-armada
https://www.shippingsolutions.com/blog/the-nigerian-cement-story-2


--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Or a convenient mud weight/anchorage?

[chrisnd @ukrm]

Fascinating!
In WWII particularly, there were many ships and boats <G> made of
concrete - or rather ferrocement (ie concrete with reinforcing). I
wonder if any of those were lost whilst carrying steel? That would put
the whole thing inside out IYSWIM!

[Pipl]

Ah, fair enough!



--

-Pip

[Pipl]

Could well be.


--

-Pip

[Ben Blaney]

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, Ben Blaney wrote:

> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times). But I see we might have rain, so it might be a short ride. Plus I need to get home and pack as am leaving for Mexico at 7am on Sunday.

Dammit. Wouldn't start. Probably needs new battery. Will have to wait.

[Turby]

On 3/25/2023 5:18 PM, Ben Blaney wrote:
>
>
> Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times). But I see we might have rain, so it might be a short ride. Plus I need to get home and pack as am leaving for Mexico at 7am on Sunday.

You can't ride year round? My condolences. I guess we're spoiled in SoCal.

Where in Mexico are you going?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

[Ben Blaney]

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:01:27 PM UTC-4, Turby wrote:
> On 3/25/2023 5:18 PM, Ben Blaney wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually, I was just saying to the kids at dinner that I want to get mine out on Saturday. A friend of mine says that in Upstate New York 1 April marks the start of motorcycle season (indeed, he counts down to it in the colder, darker times). But I see we might have rain, so it might be a short ride. Plus I need to get home and pack as am leaving for Mexico at 7am on Sunday.
> You can't ride year round? My condolences. I guess we're spoiled in SoCal.
>
> Where in Mexico are you going?

Cancun.

[Stephen Packer]

Aren't you a little late for Spring Break?

[Turby]

Ah. Never been. Have a good time.

[ogden]

Ben Blaney wrote:

> Turby wrote:
> > Where in Mexico are you going?
>
> Cancun.

Have a great time at Coco Bongo!

[Ben Blaney]

It varies by state. Think Texas was last week, or even the week before. New York is this week.

[Alan Lee]

On 31/03/2023 14:15, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> Fascinating!
> In WWII particularly, there were many ships and boats <G> made of
> concrete - or rather ferrocement (ie concrete with reinforcing).  I
> wonder if any of those were lost whilst carrying steel? That would put
> the whole thing inside out IYSWIM!

Coming late to this, there are still a number of the concrete
narrowboats around the canal system. There were two near to Stourbridge
for many years, they were just left there, and, eventually, became part
of the bank. One was cleared, refloated, and taken to a museum.
I have seen others too, but cant recall where they are.
There are some concrete wrecks amongst the other abandoned boats on the
Severn at the Purton 'Ships Graveyard'.
<https://hnbc.org.uk/sites/default/files/2018-2-p16-17.pdf>
<https://www.cotswolds.com/things-to-do/purton-ships-graveyard-p2820313>

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[geoffC]

Plenty of floating homes here use a concrete box as a basis. Cast in a yard
and then towed to the mooring. Not a boat as such but they do float.


--
Geoff
NTV 650

[Pipl]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 09:05:46 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:

>Plenty of floating homes here use a concrete box as a basis. Cast in a yard
> and then towed to the mooring. Not a boat as such but they do float.

I'm sure I did know where you were, but ....?

--

-Pip

[geoffC]

Holland.
--
Geoff
NTV 650

[Pipl]

Ah, Thought it was somewhere round ther, and I have seen floating
homes in somewhere that was probably Holland featured on a TV
programme.

--

-Pip

[geoffC]

I think you may be referring to new plans for complete floating towns. House
boats can be found on most canals though and if they are not based on an
actual boat, then they are most likely built on a floating concrete box,
like these:

279 Tramsingel
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Npj2gGQs8jVEgFuR9


--
Geoff
NTV 650

[Pipl]

Yeah, those were the ones featured.

--

-Pip

[geoffC]

Glad we cleared that one up :-)

--
Geoff
NTV 650