Petrol proof paint/lacquer

[Alfonso]

Anyone know of either paint or lacquer which is actually petrol proof?
Anyone any info on just how "Petrol resistant" Petrol resistant lacquer
is or is supposed to be?

Alfonso

[Jeremy Robinson]

Alfonso <Alf...@duffadd.com> wrote in news:i_qdnR56jrQ-
86DOnZ2dnU...@bt.com:

Halfords do a petrol resistant clear lacquer especially for petrol tanks.
They claim. No idea how good/bad it is. Hard to find too. The three
stores I tried didn't have it in stock.

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[Adrian]

> Halfords do a petrol resistant clear lacquer especially for petrol
> tanks. They claim. No idea how good/bad it is.

It's as good as the first chip or thin edge in the lacquer... Soon as
petrol gets underneath it, it'd just attack any petrol-vulnerable paint
under the lacquer, leaving you with petrol-resistant lacquer that's
perfectly strong but attached to dissolved porridge.

[TMack]

On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:38:20 +0000, Jeremy Robinson wrote:

> Alfonso <Alf...@duffadd.com> wrote in news:i_qdnR56jrQ-
> 86DOnZ2dnU...@bt.com:
>
>> Anyone know of either paint or lacquer which is actually petrol proof?
>> Anyone any info on just how "Petrol resistant" Petrol resistant lacquer
>> is or is supposed to be?
>>
>> Alfonso
>
> Halfords do a petrol resistant clear lacquer especially for petrol
> tanks.
> They claim. No idea how good/bad it is. Hard to find too. The three
> stores I tried didn't have it in stock.

When I tried it a few years ago it went cloudy after being on the tank for
a few days (sprayed as per instructions onto a black tank). It makes
white paint look yellow too. Go to the Halfords site and read the reviews
- all but one are bad



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[TMack]

On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:38:20 +0000, Jeremy Robinson wrote:

> Alfonso <Alf...@duffadd.com> wrote in news:i_qdnR56jrQ-
> 86DOnZ2dnU...@bt.com:
>
>> Anyone know of either paint or lacquer which is actually petrol proof?
>> Anyone any info on just how "Petrol resistant" Petrol resistant lacquer
>> is or is supposed to be?
>>
>> Alfonso
>
> Halfords do a petrol resistant clear lacquer especially for petrol
> tanks.
> They claim. No idea how good/bad it is. Hard to find too. The three
> stores I tried didn't have it in stock.

[TMack]

On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:38:20 +0000, Jeremy Robinson wrote:

> Alfonso <Alf...@duffadd.com> wrote in news:i_qdnR56jrQ-
> 86DOnZ2dnU...@bt.com:
>
>> Anyone know of either paint or lacquer which is actually petrol proof?
>> Anyone any info on just how "Petrol resistant" Petrol resistant lacquer
>> is or is supposed to be?
>>
>> Alfonso
>
> Halfords do a petrol resistant clear lacquer especially for petrol
> tanks.
> They claim. No idea how good/bad it is. Hard to find too. The three
> stores I tried didn't have it in stock.

[TMack]

Kinell! I am used to Eternal September duplicating posts from time to
time but this is the first triplication I have experienced.

[TMack]

> It's not E-S doing it; it's either you re-sending because you got an
> error, or your Usenet client re-sending because it didn't get the
> response it was expecting.

Whatever - it certainly wasn't me re-sending. It may be my Usenet client
(Pan) though it hasn't done that before.

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

2 Pack laquer is petrol proof.
Anything that you can buy in a rattle can is almost certainly not.

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[Adrian]

On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:30:19 +0000, TMack wrote:

>>> Kinell! I am used to Eternal September duplicating posts from time to
>>> time but this is the first triplication I have experienced.

>> It's not E-S doing it; it's either you re-sending because you got an
>> error, or your Usenet client re-sending because it didn't get the
>> response it was expecting.

> Whatever - it certainly wasn't me re-sending. It may be my Usenet
> client (Pan) though it hasn't done that before.

I've had similar problems with Pan - and it's almost certainly been due
to a slow connection causing timeouts in confirming the message has been
sent.

Think my record's six or seven...

[Alfonso]

On 04/04/14 00:19, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Alfonso <Alf...@duffadd.com> wrote:
>> Anyone know of either paint or lacquer which is actually petrol proof?
>> Anyone any info on just how "Petrol resistant" Petrol resistant lacquer
>> is or is supposed to be?
>
> 2 Pack laquer is petrol proof.
> Anything that you can buy in a rattle can is almost certainly not.
>

Apparently not.

The actual story. I had a petrol tank painted. I left it in a centrally
heated room for a week before doing anything with it. When I filled it
with petrol the tap leaked so I emptied the petrol out and turned the
tank upside down on some bubble rap to protect the paint while I fiddled
about with petrol taps. There must have been a dribble of petrol left in
the tank and this dribbled onto the bubble rap. I got interrupted so it
got left like that for a while. This was the result:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19879731/Tank.jpg

I asked the chap who painted it whether he had used 2 part lacquer and
he said he always did. I don't know who's - I think he said it was a
German make.

The only supplier I am aware of for motorcycle paints in the UK is RS.
They have a good reputation so I emailed them to ask them what they
meant by "fully Petrol resistant" in relation to what they supply. Note
that "fully petrol resistant" is a bit short of "petrol Proof" and is
what they describe their two part lacquer as. The reply I got was as
follows:

"We have sold our lacquer for many years with no issues whatsoever. We
physically test lacquers before we stock them - we literally pour
petrol over lacquered surfaces to check its staying power. Of course, I
am sure if your tank was bathed in petrol over night, then that may be a
different story. It is however fully resistant to normal levels of
exposure."

The question is, is the damage my stupid fault in that I exposed the
tank to petrol for a prolonged period of has an inferior product been
used by the restorer?

Years back Armours used to sell 2-part paint. Today it seems the best
you can do is rubbish paint covered by petrol *resistant* lacquer. Even
if the lacquer is good it seems that if it gets scratched, petrol can
penetrate under and wreck it. Very depressing.

Alfonso

[Adrian]

On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:19:55 +0100, Alfonso wrote:

> The actual story. I had a petrol tank painted. I left it in a centrally
> heated room for a week before doing anything with it. When I filled it
> with petrol the tap leaked so I emptied the petrol out and turned the
> tank upside down on some bubble rap to protect the paint while I fiddled
> about with petrol taps. There must have been a dribble of petrol left in
> the tank and this dribbled onto the bubble rap. I got interrupted so it
> got left like that for a while. This was the result:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19879731/Tank.jpg

> The question is, is the damage my stupid fault in that I exposed the
> tank to petrol for a prolonged period

Petrol is - always has been - an excellent solvent.

New paint is - always has been - soft, and takes a lot longer than a week
for it to fully harden.

Keeping any excellent solvent in close contact with new paint for an
extended period is a great way to remove the paint.

[Alfonso]

On 04/04/14 14:44, Adrian wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:19:55 +0100, Alfonso wrote:
>
>> The actual story. I had a petrol tank painted. I left it in a centrally
>> heated room for a week before doing anything with it. When I filled it
>> with petrol the tap leaked so I emptied the petrol out and turned the
>> tank upside down on some bubble rap to protect the paint while I fiddled
>> about with petrol taps. There must have been a dribble of petrol left in
>> the tank and this dribbled onto the bubble rap. I got interrupted so it
>> got left like that for a while. This was the result:
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19879731/Tank.jpg
>
>> The question is, is the damage my stupid fault in that I exposed the
>> tank to petrol for a prolonged period
>
> Petrol is - always has been - an excellent solvent.
>
> New paint is - always has been - soft, and takes a lot longer than a week
> for it to fully harden.

The point of a two part paint surely is that it hardens by means of a
chemical reaction rather than "drying".

>
> Keeping any excellent solvent in close contact with new paint for an
> extended period is a great way to remove the paint.

It depends on the solvent and it depends on the paint. French polish
dissolves in meths, it is an excellent solvent - for some things. It
doesn't follow that because a liquid in an excellent solvent for some
things that it is for all. Why do they sell paint stripper in expensive
bottles if petrol will do the job just as well? Something sold as say
"fully petrol resistant" implies that it fully resists petrol. If it
doesn't then some indication of the degree of resistance is surely
relevant.

I have no reason to believe that RS fully petrol resistant lacquer would
not have survived what amounted to petrol fumes.

Alfonso
>

[Adrian]

On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:03:19 +0100, Alfonso wrote:

>>> The actual story. I had a petrol tank painted. I left it in a
>>> centrally heated room for a week before doing anything with it. When I
>>> filled it with petrol the tap leaked so I emptied the petrol out and
>>> turned the tank upside down on some bubble rap to protect the paint
>>> while I fiddled about with petrol taps. There must have been a dribble
>>> of petrol left in the tank and this dribbled onto the bubble rap. I
>>> got interrupted so it got left like that for a while. This was the
>>> result:
>>>
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19879731/Tank.jpg
>>
>>> The question is, is the damage my stupid fault in that I exposed the
>>> tank to petrol for a prolonged period

>> Petrol is - always has been - an excellent solvent.
>>
>> New paint is - always has been - soft, and takes a lot longer than a
>> week for it to fully harden.

> The point of a two part paint surely is that it hardens by means of a
> chemical reaction rather than "drying".

Yep, but it still takes a while to do so fully.

>> Keeping any excellent solvent in close contact with new paint for an
>> extended period is a great way to remove the paint.

> It depends on the solvent and it depends on the paint. French polish
> dissolves in meths, it is an excellent solvent - for some things. It
> doesn't follow that because a liquid in an excellent solvent for some
> things that it is for all. Why do they sell paint stripper in expensive
> bottles if petrol will do the job just as well?

Because paint stripper's much better on old, long-hardened paint.

> I have no reason to believe that RS fully petrol resistant lacquer would
> not have survived what amounted to petrol fumes.

You didn't expose it to fumes once fully hardened, though. You managed to
hold petrol against fresh soft paint for an extended period of time.

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:31:21 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
<tooma...@gmail.com> enlightened us thusly:

The trike frames I make when I can find anyone to bnuy 'em are painted by
the local car painting place, who have a giant oven to dry 'em in. Even
then the paint's soft as shite for well over a week.

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