OT: Family tree conundrum
SD
Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
[1] Common grandparents.
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Lozzo
> Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
> [1] Common grandparents.
It is legal, though quite uncommon in the UK.
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Lozzo
> SD wrote:
>
> > Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> > Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
> >
> > [1] Common grandparents.
>
> It is legal, though quite uncommon in the UK.
Bad form etc, but I found this while googling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_couple
This section suprised me:
A BBC report found that Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a
first cousin, are 13 times more likely than the general population to
produce children with genetic disorders, and that one in ten children
of cousin marriages either dies in infancy or develops a serious
disability. Thus Pakistani-Britons, who account for some 3% of all
births in the UK, produce "just under a third" of all British children
with genetic illnesses.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember SD <salad....@idnet.com> saying
something like:
>Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
>Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
>[1] Common grandparents.
Normally discouraged, but legit. In the Western Isles it wasn't
uncommon, but that's only because the sheep were getting bored and
packing their bags.
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The Older Gentleman
> A BBC report found that Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a
> first cousin, are 13 times more likely than the general population to
> produce children with genetic disorders, and that one in ten children
> of cousin marriages either dies in infancy or develops a serious
> disability. Thus Pakistani-Britons, who account for some 3% of all
> births in the UK, produce "just under a third" of all British children
> with genetic illnesses.
It doesn't surprise me - The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
is genetic diseases, has been ranting about it for some time. It's a
big, big problem.
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John Anderton
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> A BBC report found that Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a
>> first cousin, are 13 times more likely than the general population to
>> produce children with genetic disorders,
<snippage>
>
>It doesn't surprise me - The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
>is genetic diseases, has been ranting about it for some time. It's a
>big, big problem.
The genetic disorders bit doesn't surprise me but the 55% definitely
does.
Is that stat reliable ?
Cheers,
John
ogden
> Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
One of my cousins married one of his cousins on the other side, or
something like that. This was in Sittingbourne, so maybe it's an
Estuary thing.
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darsy
> Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
> [1] Common grandparents.
it's legal but unusual.
Two of A.'s cousins are in a relationship, but since there are no
common grandparents, why the hell not.
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"SD" <salad....@idnet.com> wrote in message
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> Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
I believe it is, but is it normal to have read your header as "Family tree
condom"?
>
> [1] Common grandparents.
Well they would be, wouldn't they?
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Lozzo
> SD wrote:
> > Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> > Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
> One of my cousins married one of his cousins on the other side, or
> something like that. This was in Sittingbourne, so maybe it's an
> Estuary thing.
My mum's family is riddled with married cousins, apparently it's not
that unusual in Malta.
ogden
If there are no common grandparents, presumably they're not actually
cousins with each other, so the situation's different, no?
c...@nospam.netunix.com
> SD wrote:
> > Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> > Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
> One of my cousins married one of his cousins on the other side, or
> something like that. This was in Sittingbourne, so maybe it's an
> Estuary thing.
>
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Cane
> > > Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
> > > Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>
> > One of my cousins married one of his cousins on the other side, or
> > something like that. This was in Sittingbourne, so maybe it's an
> > Estuary thing.
>
> My mum's family is riddled with married cousins, apparently it's not
> that unusual in Malta.
Is that why you're a four foot blind bloke with a dodgy heart?
Lozzo
I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta is a
shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in caves and
catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6 shoes are
easier to find on the shelves.
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>
>I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta is a
>shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in caves and
>catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6 shoes are
>easier to find on the shelves.
So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
Lozzo
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk>
> saying something like:
>
> >
> > I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta
> > is a shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in
> > caves and catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6
> > shoes are easier to find on the shelves.
>
> So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
I prefer 'slight of stature', but whatever floats your boat.
Cane
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> > drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk>
> > saying something like:
>
> > > I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta
> > > is a shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in
> > > caves and catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6
> > > shoes are easier to find on the shelves.
>
> > So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
>
> I prefer 'slight of stature', but whatever floats your boat.
In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
Lozzo
I'm 5' 8" tall, so not exactly a shortarse. It's just I'm not some
dumpy fat cunt who people see as being bigger than they really are.
The Older Gentleman
wessie
@mid.individual.net:
> Cane wrote:
>
>> In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
>
> I'm 5' 8" tall, so not exactly a shortarse. It's just I'm not some
> dumpy fat cunt who people see as being bigger than they really are.
>
don't be horrible to darsy
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Champ
>On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT), Cane <Cane...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>A bit more reliable though.
heh.
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Champ
<grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> saying
>something like:
>
>>
>>I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta is a
>>shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in caves and
>>catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6 shoes are
>>easier to find on the shelves.
>
>So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
Nah - no beard, and no welsh accent.
darsy
> "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote in news:6l4chtFalhk2U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Cane wrote:
>
> >> In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
>
> > I'm 5' 8" tall, so not exactly a shortarse. It's just I'm not some
> > dumpy fat cunt who people see as being bigger than they really are.
>
> don't be horrible to darsy
PF,CT;
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wessie
news:1ioibre.7nz4wock166sN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk:
> John Anderton <John1_anderto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:15:15 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>> >Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A BBC report found that Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a
>> >> first cousin, are 13 times more likely than the general population to
>> >> produce children with genetic disorders,
>> <snippage>
>> >
>> >It doesn't surprise me - The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
>> >is genetic diseases, has been ranting about it for some time. It's a
>> >big, big problem.
>>
>> The genetic disorders bit doesn't surprise me but the 55% definitely
>> does.
>>
>> Is that stat reliable ?
>>
> Dunno. I can ask her.
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm
Has the original Newsnight report from 2005. It says the 55% figure is an
estimate. The report does quote some NHS figures from Bradford &
Birmingham.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
>The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
>is genetic diseases
How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest in
genetic diseases.
Probably just coincidence, I expect.
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My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
The Older Gentleman
> >>
> >> The genetic disorders bit doesn't surprise me but the 55% definitely
> >> does.
> >>
> >> Is that stat reliable ?
> >>
> > Dunno. I can ask her.
> >
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm
>
> Has the original Newsnight report from 2005. It says the 55% figure is an
> estimate. The report does quote some NHS figures from Bradford &
> Birmingham.
Just asked The Doctor. She has two Pakistani colleagues. Both have just
married their first cousins (one colleague is F, the other M) despite
being sodding geneticists. "Family pressures" apparently.
As regards the stats, all I got was: "I woudn't be surprised..."
The Older Gentleman
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
> Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
> >The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
> >is genetic diseases
>
> How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest in
> genetic diseases.
>
> Probably just coincidence, I expect.
Cnut.
She's been a geneticist since.. well, she was studying it even before
she met me. You cnut.
That said, she did seem to regard procreation and bringing up of
children as some sort of real-life experiment. I have noticed that every
negative trait they possess is laid at my genetic door.
Lozzo
> On 8 Oct 2008 18:30:21 GMT, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm 5' 8" tall, so not exactly a shortarse.
>
> Err... oh, forget it.
I've been well and truly wooshed here, can someone please explain.
Lozzo
> Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
> > Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
> > > The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
> > > is genetic diseases
> >
> > How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest
> > in genetic diseases.
> >
> > Probably just coincidence, I expect.
>
> Cnut.
>
> She's been a geneticist since.. well, she was studying it even before
> she met me. You cnut.
>
> That said, she did seem to regard procreation and bringing up of
> children as some sort of real-life experiment. I have noticed that
> every negative trait they possess is laid at my genetic door.
Even his hair?
MikeH
> Cane wrote:
>
>> On 8 Oct, 12:24, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is it legit for first cousins[1] to marry?
>>>>> Or is it just "normal for Sheppey"?
>>>> One of my cousins married one of his cousins on the other side, or
>>>> something like that. This was in Sittingbourne, so maybe it's an
>>>> Estuary thing.
>>> My mum's family is riddled with married cousins, apparently it's not
>>> that unusual in Malta.
>> Is that why you're a four foot blind bloke with a dodgy heart?
>
> I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in Malta is a
> shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling around in caves and
> catacombs. It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6 shoes are
> easier to find on the shelves.
Presumably the lower ones.
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The Older Gentleman
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
> > > Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
> > > > The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
> > > > is genetic diseases
> > >
> > > How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest
> > > in genetic diseases.
> > >
> > > Probably just coincidence, I expect.
> >
> > Cnut.
> >
> > She's been a geneticist since.. well, she was studying it even before
> > she met me. You cnut.
> >
> > That said, she did seem to regard procreation and bringing up of
> > children as some sort of real-life experiment. I have noticed that
> > every negative trait they possess is laid at my genetic door.
>
> Even his hair?
That apart :-)
Champ
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
>> Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
>> >The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
>> >is genetic diseases
>>
>> How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest in
>> genetic diseases.
>>
>> Probably just coincidence, I expect.
>
>Cnut.
A bite!
>She's been a geneticist since.. well, she was studying it even before
>she met me. You cnut.
A double bite!
Well done WUN!
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<ne...@champ.org.uk> typed
>On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:18:31 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>>Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
>>> Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> typed
>>> >The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may know)
>>> >is genetic diseases
>>>
>>> How odd that the woman who married you should develop an interest in
>>> genetic diseases.
>>>
>>> Probably just coincidence, I expect.
>>
>>Cnut.
>
>A bite!
>
>>She's been a geneticist since.. well, she was studying it even before
>>she met me. You cnut.
>
>A double bite!
>
>Well done WUN!
Ayethangyew.
Bit easy though, no real sense of triumph.
John Anderton
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>wessie <putmyn...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>
>> >>
>> >> The genetic disorders bit doesn't surprise me but the 55% definitely
>> >> does.
>> >>
>> >> Is that stat reliable ?
>> >>
>> > Dunno. I can ask her.
>> >
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm
>>
>> Has the original Newsnight report from 2005. It says the 55% figure is an
>> estimate. The report does quote some NHS figures from Bradford &
>> Birmingham.
>
>Just asked The Doctor. She has two Pakistani colleagues. Both have just
>married their first cousins (one colleague is F, the other M) despite
>being sodding geneticists. "Family pressures" apparently.
>
>As regards the stats, all I got was: "I woudn't be surprised..."
Ta
Hog
> John Anderton <John1_anderto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:15:15 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
>> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>>> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A BBC report found that Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a
>>>> first cousin, are 13 times more likely than the general population
>>>> to produce children with genetic disorders,
>> <snippage>
>>>
>>> It doesn't surprise me - The Doctor, whose speciality (as you may
>>> know) is genetic diseases, has been ranting about it for some time.
>>> It's a big, big problem.
>>
>> The genetic disorders bit doesn't surprise me but the 55% definitely
>> does.
>>
>> Is that stat reliable ?
>>
> Dunno. I can ask her.
TBF how many Pakis do you meet who are not complete Mongs? (ask an Indian)
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Grimly Curmudgeon
Older Gentleman) saying something like:
>That said, she did seem to regard procreation and bringing up of
>children as some sort of real-life experiment. I have noticed that every
>negative trait they possess is laid at my genetic door.
I suspect that's the norm in any marriage, geneticist or not.
Lozzo
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
> (The Older Gentleman) saying something like:
>
> > That said, she did seem to regard procreation and bringing up of
> > children as some sort of real-life experiment. I have noticed that
> > every negative trait they possess is laid at my genetic door.
>
> I suspect that's the norm in any marriage, geneticist or not.
Luckily for my daughter she got her mother's brains, and luckily again
she looks pretty much identical to my little sister but not too far in
looks from me.
CT
> The report does quote some NHS figures from Bradford
> & Birmingham.
Haven't they just gone bust?
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"Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote in message
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But harder to reach?
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Beav
"Ace" <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT), Cane <Cane...@gmail.com>
>>> > > shoes are easier to find on the shelves.
>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer 'slight of stature', but whatever floats your boat.
>>
>>In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
>
> A bit more reliable though.
And a lot more useful.
Beav
> Cane wrote:
>
>> On 8 Oct, 19:14, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>> > Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> > > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
>> > > the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo"
>> > > <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> saying something like:
>> >
>> > > > I do get the dodgy heart from my mum's side, but everyone in
>> > > > Malta is a shortarse - it comes from generations of scrabbling
>> > > > around in caves and catacombs. It has upsides, small size
>> > > > clothes and size 6 shoes are easier to find on the shelves.
>> >
>> > > So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
>> >
>> > I prefer 'slight of stature', but whatever floats your boat.
>>
>> In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
>
> I'm 5' 8" tall, so not exactly a shortarse. It's just I'm not some
> dumpy fat cunt who people see as being bigger than they really are.
The fat cunts usually think they're smaller than they are, but they're
usually very wrong too.
Lozzo
I don't get this 'boxers being reliable' thing though, can someone
please explain?
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> saying
something like:
>> And a lot more useful.
>
>I don't get this 'boxers being reliable' thing though, can someone
>please explain?
It's historical - they certainly used to be more reliable than a lot fo
the other shit around at the time. Ignoring the Japanese output, as most
o f th owhers dis. fdwik i'm erahed.
otera hear, bedttim.
Lozzo
Ah, Boxer twins, I get it now.
Beav
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ace" <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote in message
>> news:suupe4170vciq8sdq...@4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT), Cane <Cane...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 8 Oct, 19:14, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>>> > It has upsides, small size clothes and size 6
>> >>>> > shoes are easier to find on the shelves.
>> > > >
>> >>>> So... basically, you're a Dwarf?
>> > > >
>> > > > I prefer 'slight of stature', but whatever floats your boat.
>> > >
>> > > In fairness Loz is 'slight' rather than short. Like a boxer.
>> >
>> > A bit more reliable though.
>>
>> And a lot more useful.
>
> I don't get this 'boxers being reliable' thing though, can someone
> please explain?
I don't think we have to Loz, not given your love of things German.
Beav
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk>
>> saying something like:
>>
>> >> And a lot more useful.
>> >
>> > I don't get this 'boxers being reliable' thing though, can someone
>> > please explain?
>>
>> It's historical - they certainly used to be more reliable than a lot
>> fo the other shit around at the time. Ignoring the Japanese output,
>> as most o f th owhers dis. fdwik i'm erahed.
>>
>> otera hear, bedttim.
>
> Ah, Boxer twins, I get it now.
'Kin hell Loz, even *I* got that and I don't mind boxers.