OT: Pop went the nuke.
JB
Faaark!
Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
JB
Nige
"JB" <j...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ilfhge$9nk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> Faaark!
>
> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>
>
This whole thing is like a fucking disaster film with real people, but this
nuke thing could get very nasty indeed.
Nasty.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "JB" <j...@nospam.net> saying
something like:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
I suspect the quake knocked the emergency gensets and pumps off their
mountings and/or disrupted the pipework. Which rather surprises me,
given the Japanese are well prepared for this, and I wonder if
oscillations of the ground under a nuclear plant, say, might have much
higher peaks than the 8.9R we've read about.
>Faaark!
>
>Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
Some twat 'expert' was spouting yesterday about it would only be a steam
release. Right, what about hydrogen, I thought. Was it not a
disassociated hydrogen/oxygen explosion that blew the top off the
Chernobyl reactor? Different design, obviously, but the power of a
hydrogen/oxygen explosion shouldn't be under-estimated.
The same, or some other idiot expert went on to say that the resulting
explosion would be minor.
Yeah. Right. Back to your lecture room, you daft cunt.
steve robinson
I get the general impression the problems are being talked down by
many of the officials trying to avoid panic not only from the
Japanese but the near neighbours who are not exactly renown for their
benevolence
Scraggy
Interest article here, dated 2004
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
--
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members. Groucho Marx
steve auvache
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>I get the general impression the problems are being talked down by
>many of the officials
Fucking right it will be. The one thing you are never likely to get from
those profiting from supporting the nuclear industry is the truth about
the risks.
--
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Grimly Curmudgeon
<scr...@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be> saying something like:
>Interest article here, dated 2004
>http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
Hellfire and shit.
Pikey Joe
Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
worrying...
--
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Wicked Uncle Nigel
<uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>
>> Faaark!
>>
>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>
>
>worrying...
What's your alternative?
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Pikey Joe
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>
>>> Faaark!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>
>>
>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>> worrying...
>
> What's your alternative?
>
Dunno. What's yours?
Thomas
> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>
> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> >> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
> >>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> >>> Faaark!
>
> >>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>
> >> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
> >> worrying...
>
> > What's your alternative?
>
> Dunno. What's yours?
Emulate lemmings.
wessie
news:eZlGc7Ub...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>
>>> Faaark!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>
>>
>>Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>worrying...
>
> What's your alternative?
>
For Japan? Wave power would seem to be the way to go...
steve auvache
<w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
><uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>
>>> Faaark!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>
>>
>>Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>worrying...
>
>What's your alternative?
Render far fuckers down for fuel.
--
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wessie
news:n4ann6hbgcbcb67rl...@4ax.com:
Far fuckers? Americans you mean?
<TOG>
Do you think that was their objective in 1941?
</T>
Mups
grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com says...
>
>
> Some twat 'expert' was spouting yesterday about it would only be a steam
> release. Right, what about hydrogen, I thought. Was it not a
> disassociated hydrogen/oxygen explosion that blew the top off the
> Chernobyl reactor? Different design, obviously, but the power of a
> hydrogen/oxygen explosion shouldn't be under-estimated.
> The same, or some other idiot expert went on to say that the resulting
> explosion would be minor.
> Yeah. Right. Back to your lecture room, you daft cunt.
Wouldn't the result of a hydrogen/oxygen explosion be lots of steam
--
Mups
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>>
>>>> Faaark!
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>> worrying...
>>
>> What's your alternative?
>>
>
>Dunno. What's yours?
I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
Pikey Joe
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>>>
>>>>> Faaark!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>>> worrying...
>>>
>>> What's your alternative?
>>>
>>
>> Dunno. What's yours?
>
> I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
>
I'm sorry old chap, you've lost me. Deal with what? What are you going
on about?
Or are you just being a cunt for the sake of it?
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>On 12/03/2011 17:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>>> worrying...
>>>>
>>>> What's your alternative?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno. What's yours?
>>
>> I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
>>
>
>I'm sorry old chap, you've lost me. Deal with what? What are you going
>on about?
>
>Or are you just being a cunt for the sake of it?
I do apologise, I forgot for a moment who I was dealing with.
Pikey Joe
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>> On 12/03/2011 17:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>>>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>>>>> worrying...
>>>>>
>>>>> What's your alternative?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dunno. What's yours?
>>>
>>> I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry old chap, you've lost me. Deal with what? What are you going
>> on about?
>>
>> Or are you just being a cunt for the sake of it?
>
> I do apologise, I forgot for a moment who I was dealing with.
>
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
Hah, yes. He was really trying to downplay it, though.
Actually, I found good coverage from NHK World on Sky 516 - bonus, one
of the presenters is a cutie.
Muck
Anyone else noticed what the pressure wave from the blast did? May be
it's a trick of the light, but it did look like something buried in a
pit going pop. Isn't the reactor buried in a pit?
Pikey Joe
Oh dear...
Colin Irvine
wrote:
>On 12/03/2011 17:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>>> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faaark!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>>>> worrying...
>>>>
>>>> What's your alternative?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno. What's yours?
>>
>> I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
>>
>
>I'm sorry old chap, you've lost me. Deal with what?
Your lack of intelligence. Although, to be fair, I think WUN is asking
a bit too much.
--
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Pikey Joe
Hey steady on! I'm not going to have to fight the whole fucking
playground am I?
Pip Luscher
Heh
--
-Pip
Dentist
>Anyone else noticed what the pressure wave from the blast did? May be
>it's a trick of the light, but it did look like something buried in a
>pit going pop. Isn't the reactor buried in a pit?
The flying white bits in the video are outer panels from the building,
the dust clouds are typical of concrete dust and the apparently directed
pressure wave is typical of a Hydrogen explosion. The report that
radiation levels are falling indicates that the steel containment is
intact, but the concrete outer is damaged/destroyed.
This accident will bring the total number of people killed as a result
of commercial nuclear power generation to between 500 and 1000 globally
in the last sixty years.
The total number of people killed as a result of fossil fuel power
generation is about 160,000 in the UK alone, although that is over a
longer period.
Unreliable figures for the rest of the world suggest that the global
figure approaches 2,000,000.
Give me nuclear any day of the week.
--
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SprintST1050 Tiger750TR7RV Volvo Vera(V6 chop)
DozynSleepy
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>> On 12/03/2011 16:38, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pikey Joe
>>> <uk...@pikeyjoe.me.uk> typed
>>>> On 12/03/2011 10:18, JB wrote:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>>>>>
>>>>> Faaark!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good job nucular power's perfectly safe, innit? Else it could be
>>>> worrying...
>>>
>>> What's your alternative?
>>>
>>
>> Dunno. What's yours?
>
> I don't think there is one. Deal with it, or get back in your cave.
>
I had this conversation about three years ago with a senior manager
seconded to our nuclear industry from the good old US of A. He was
adamant that the UK would be commissioning a large number of nuclear
plants within the next couple of years.
My opinion differed somewhat. I reckoned that the UK and Scotland in
particular were very wary about nuclear contamination. Combined with the
total cost of commissioning, running, de-commissioning and the ongoing
costs and risks associated with storing the by products, nuclear
generation starts to become less attractive.
My final reason for rejecting it, for Scotland at least, was the
untapped potentional of wave power. If the Scottish government were to
invest the cost of commissioning a typical nuclear plant, say 3.5
billion pounds, on renewable energy research and development we'd
probably have the same output in less time that it took to build the
nuclear plant.
--
DozynSleepy
steve robinson
Hasnt research already been done on wave power and didnt the
envioremental lobby highlight the damage to the coastal ecology and
damage to fishing grounds
wessie
news:xn0hbklg...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Hasnt research already been done on wave power and didnt the
> envioremental lobby highlight the damage to the coastal ecology and
> damage to fishing grounds
>
the Severn barrage has been ruled out. Environmental grounds have been
cited although the cynic in me is more inclined to believe that it has been
ruled out on economic grounds. The various governments, Westminster, WAG &
local just won't stump up the cost of research and the private sector can't
see a profit. Instead, they are going for yet more wind farms, onshore &
offshore, as the technology is quite mature having been refined by the
Danes. My nephew has just been rehired as he has all the right certificates
to commission the things, despite being a high risk employee due to his
predilection for white powders & alcohol. Quite scary to think that both he
& Bonwick are responsible for keeping the lights on.
--
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BMW R1150GS
DozynSleepy
I'm sure 3.5 billion pounds will buy you a report that says it's
perfectly safe, in fact it's good for them ;-).
--
DozynSleepy
Champ
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
I'm late to the party here, but the video on that page now contains
nothing about the nuclear plant.
I wonder why the Beeb have changed it?
--
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steve auvache
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:18:42 -0000, "JB" <j...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
>I'm late to the party here, but the video on that page now contains
>nothing about the nuclear plant.
It also contains nothing about slick suited city speculators buying up all
the korean and chinky bikes they can find in expectation of a massive
shortage of Yamaquazukis.
--
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Lozzo
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they churn out)
Grimly Curmudgeon
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> saying something like:
>Hasnt research already been done on wave power and didnt the
>envioremental lobby highlight the damage to the coastal ecology and
>damage to fishing grounds
When it gets down to a choice between the beloved Sky Sports and heating
the house, versus the lesser-spotted periwinkle in some fucking sea
loch, the green cunts will be mercilessly hunted down and have their
mouths stuffed with manky old socks.
Fish move.
Grimly Curmudgeon
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> saying something like:
>It also contains nothing about slick suited city speculators buying up all
>the korean and chinky bikes they can find in expectation of a massive
>shortage of Yamaquazukis.
And Nikon lenses, apparently.
ogden
>
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> something like:
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> I suspect the quake knocked the emergency gensets and pumps off their
> mountings and/or disrupted the pipework. Which rather surprises me,
> given the Japanese are well prepared for this, and I wonder if
> oscillations of the ground under a nuclear plant, say, might have much
> higher peaks than the 8.9R we've read about.
>
> >Faaark!
> >
> >Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>
> release. Right, what about hydrogen, I thought. Was it not a
> disassociated hydrogen/oxygen explosion that blew the top off the
> Chernobyl reactor? Different design, obviously, but the power of a
> hydrogen/oxygen explosion shouldn't be under-estimated.
> The same, or some other idiot expert went on to say that the resulting
> explosion would be minor.
> Yeah. Right. Back to your lecture room, you daft cunt.
http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-
japans-nuclear-reactors/
--
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snip>
>
> http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-
> japans-nuclear-reactors/
If something really nasty was going to happen the exclusion zone would
be at least three times further out than it currently stands at. If
that ever happens then we'll all know it's gone messy.
Muck
> Muck <mu...@127.0.0.1> wrote;
>> Anyone else noticed what the pressure wave from the blast did? May be
>> it's a trick of the light, but it did look like something buried in a
>> pit going pop. Isn't the reactor buried in a pit?
>
> The flying white bits in the video are outer panels from the building,
> the dust clouds are typical of concrete dust and the apparently directed
> pressure wave is typical of a Hydrogen explosion. The report that
I did wonder about that, thanks.
> radiation levels are falling indicates that the steel containment is
> intact, but the concrete outer is damaged/destroyed.
Where as a naked core would spew nasty radioactive shite into the air.
> Give me nuclear any day of the week.
I went for a graduate job in the nuclear industry. Health issues stopped
play and I had to abandon final selection though.
wessie
Really? I would think you would be ideal. I can't see the radiation making
you worse. Might even be the cure you've been looking for.
Muck
> Muck<mu...@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:kEcfp.24367$7U....@newsfe17.ams2:
>>
>> I went for a graduate job in the nuclear industry. Health issues stopped
>> play and I had to abandon final selection though.
>>
>
> Really? I would think you would be ideal. I can't see the radiation making
> you worse. Might even be the cure you've been looking for.
>
Yeh, really, a, nuke, industry, job.
Death, death is a kind of cure.
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>
>Really? I would think you would be ideal. I can't see the radiation making
>you worse. Might even be the cure you've been looking for.
He'll be fucking Iron Man, next.
SIRPip
> Pikey Joe wrote:
> > Hey steady on! I'm not going to have to fight the whole fucking
> > playground am I?
>
> This is UKRM, the answer is yes
I demur. The answer should be "NAHAY?"
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Lube = WD40
Or do you think that would attack his O ring?
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Champ
>http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/
Brilliant. Thanks for posting the link.
--
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CT
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> Faaark!
>
> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
These before/after pictures are very interesting:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
--
Chris
Champ
>These before/after pictures are very interesting:
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Wow - they are pretty amazing
Muck
I've not fucked anyone for ages, the very prospect of fucking anyone leaves
me feeling sick.
Muck
You're not attacking my O ring with anything!
zymurgy
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> <scra...@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be> saying something like:
>
> >Interest article here, dated 2004
> >http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
>
> Hellfire and shit.
fark x2
Paul.
The Older Gentleman
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> Faaark!
>
> Wouldn't like to be downwind of that lot.
>
Excuse me.
<Motions crowd to silence>
<Takes deep breath>
I blame Bonwick.
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Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>I've not fucked anyone for ages, the very prospect of fucking anyone leaves
>me feeling sick.
That bad, eh?
Fuck, that's bad.
SIRPip
I wasn't referring to /your/ ring, dear, but Iron Man's.
--
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Muck
It's only bad if you miss fucking.
zymurgy
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Pikey Joe wrote:
> > > Hey steady on! I'm not going to have to fight the whole fucking playground am I?
>
> > This is UKRM, the answer is yes
>
Steady on ! ;)
Paul.
Ian Field
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:urvmn6hc9iu03jjnu...@4ax.com...
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> something like:
>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
>
> I suspect the quake knocked the emergency gensets and pumps off their
> mountings and/or disrupted the pipework. Which rather surprises me,
> given the Japanese are well prepared for this, and I wonder if
> oscillations of the ground under a nuclear plant, say, might have much
> higher peaks than the 8.9R we've read about.
What I heard was the flooding fucked up the electric pumps and switchgear
for the backup cooling system.
A better backup cooling would be a blowout critical pressure valve to divert
primary steam to a turbine driving a sea-water pump into a backup cooling
pipe.
Use the steam from the backup cooling to drive a bigger turbine and
sea-water pump, with 100% of the energy used to pump cooling water it could
be designed to stabilise the reactor even if the rods jam.
Champ
<gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>What I heard was ...
Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
information?
Ian Field
"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:k6n1o6h2vuohmcnfq...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
> <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>What I heard was ...
>
> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
> information?
>
> http://mitnse.com/
Does "accurate information" found on the internet come with a certificate of
guarantee nowadays.
Catman
You're right, of course. No way should MIT be regarded as reliable.
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steve auvache
>On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
><gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>What I heard was ...
>
>Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
>information?
>
>http://mitnse.com/
Accurate information about a nuclear meltdown? Has the planet you come
from even got a sky?
--
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steve robinson
Wouldnt the primary system be radioactive
Champ
<gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:k6n1o6h2vuohmcnfq...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
>> <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What I heard was ...
>>
>> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
>> information?
>>
>> http://mitnse.com/
>Does "accurate information" found on the internet come with a certificate of
>guarantee nowadays.
Yes, and I'm happy to provide such a certificate.
Please forward £29.99 to cover printing, post and packing.
Hog
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
> <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> What I heard was ...
>
> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
> information?
>
> http://mitnse.com/
I've been watching the process with some interest, having been involved with
diagnostics/repair/prediction of multiple reactor scrams (simply called
Reactor Trips in sodium cooled units). I've been sitting on the top plate of
a secondary system water/sodium Condenser when the Fast Reactor, a 600MW
(thermal output) design, tripped due to a sodium>water caustic reaction
detection right under my arse. You may theorize all you like :o)
Obviously my colon was completely empty....
In part the Japanese events highlight the shortcomings of water cooled
reactors. When things go titsup events get complicated. Adding water to
prodigious amounts of uncontrolled heat production doesn't read like a great
idea. Pressure changes. State changes. Hydrogen production. Radioactive
material transfer. They rely on active sytems to maintain safe operating
parameters rather than multiple passive cooling mechanisms.
The Japs had genset powered cooling system backups and battery powered 3rd
level provisions. The site engineers may have made a fateful decision at the
point where the fuel rods became exposed and steam, oxygen and hydrogen were
vented into the secondary containment building from the primary reactor
containment in 1 & 2. That would be a milestone, to vent to the atmosphere
or to retain pending further decay. Venting would have expelled small
amounts of short half life fission products, bad for PR and public
confidence. Retaining would create an explosion risk. It may well be
however that they had lost all control of the building infrastructure and
could not vent the secondary containment and that nobody volunteered to
climb onto the roof with a non ferrous can opener! Not unlikely as the
flood water did for the secondary and tertiary backup power systems.
The British sodium cooled design shelved by Maggie after Chernoble used
passive Na/Air vaned heat exchangers. No circulation pumps required as
prodigious circulation and convection currents were generated in the liquid
sodium.
They appear to have lost all pure water supplies, or the ability to deliver
said, so the cooling ponds are getting sea water. The corrosion is going to
make all the finely calculated reprocessing operation a feckin nightmare.
As the cores melt down into the base of the primary containment vessels the
reaction level will depend on the amount of moderator material in the mix.
Which will govern the level of heat generation and the potential for
Criticality. I believe they use a MOX fuel but I don't know the enrichment
level. But, whatever, I hope they had the same foresight as the British
designers. The Primary Containment is suspended over an excavated
steel/concrete/refractory lined pit (and has a burst plug in the base). When
all else fails... wait until the hot slag runs through, wait a while, remove
wreckage, concrete over and <cough> forget >>> casual 1000m
sprin^h^h^h^walk
--
Hog
Ian Field
"Catman" <cat...@cuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ilqo7m$icq$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 16/03/2011 16:14, Ian Field wrote:
>> "Champ"<ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:k6n1o6h2vuohmcnfq...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
>>> <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I heard was ...
>>>
>>> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
>>> information?
>>>
>>> http://mitnse.com/
>>
>>
>> Does "accurate information" found on the internet come with a certificate
>> of
>> guarantee nowadays.
>>
>>
>
> You're right, of course. No way should MIT be regarded as reliable.
CBA reading the whole long document to the last word, but a quick scan
through I couldn't find anything relevant to what I commented on.
Thomas
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
>
> >What I heard was ...
>
> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
> information?
>
> http://mitnse.com/
uh oh.
Today:
"At the present time however, radiation levels at the boundary of the
facility are 1530 microsieverts/hour. "
And yesterday:
"Radiation levels on the edge of the plant compound briefly spiked at
8217 microsieverts per hour but later fell to about a third that."
FWIW, radiation sickness sets in at roughly 1000 millisieverts. 5,000
mSv -- Acute levels deemed high enough to kill half of a population
within 30 days.
Ian Field
"steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0hbovl8...@news.eternal-september.org...
The over simplistic diagram shown on the news showed an intermediate heat
transfer medium between the pile/rods and the coil of steam pipe, this would
in any case apply equally to the primary steam pipe and backup cooling.
In any event the waste steam could be put through the cooling towers just
the same as the primary steam via the turbine.
Any excess the cooling towers can't handle can be discharged below sea
level - at least its better than spraying the population with it.
Hog
> Any excess the cooling towers can't handle can be discharged below sea
> level - at least its better than spraying the population with it.
I expect the techs onsite wish they could just roll it into the sea for a
few weeks ;o)
--
Hog
Hog
I wish they would quote some number which mean more to me.
Hard radiation levels of Gamma and Neutrons in Rads rather than the absorbed
dose calculations
--
Hog
steve auvache
wrote:
>
>I wish they would quote some number which mean more to me.
They are in a complete and utter panic and not 1 of them has a clue what
to do to prevent the unfolding disaster that is going to cost more than
bankers bonus to keep off the front page on the entire world's media.
There is some numbers for you to compute with.
--
steve auvache
Zeb Johnson
I get the general impression the problems are being talked down by many
of the officials
Fucking right it will be. The one thing you are never likely to get from
those profiting from supporting the nuclear industry is the truth about
the risks.
--
steve auvache
or from Oil Drillers
c...@nospam.netunix.com
>
> Today:
> "At the present time however, radiation levels at the boundary of the
> facility are 1530 microsieverts/hour. "
> And yesterday:
> "Radiation levels on the edge of the plant compound briefly spiked at
> 8217 microsieverts per hour but later fell to about a third that."
>
> FWIW, radiation sickness sets in at roughly 1000 millisieverts. 5,000
> mSv -- Acute levels deemed high enough to kill half of a population
> within 30 days.
Who spotted the trap for the unwary ?.
1 millisievert = 1000 microsieverts so you would need to be exposed
to 8000 microsieverts for 125 hours to get sick or 625 hours to
have a 50% death risk.
And that level of release only lasted for a very short time and was
measured at the plant boundary, no in the town several miles away.
Do the arithmetic for the various numbers and stop bloody panicing.
--
03 GS500K2
78 Honda 400/4 in black
98 Yamaha YP250 Majesty
Krusty
>
> It's perfectly safe, nobody's going to die.
We're fucked.
Muck
> Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:52 -0000, "Ian Field"
>> <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What I heard was ...
>>
>> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
>> information?
>>
>> http://mitnse.com/
>
> I've been watching the process with some interest, having been involved with
> diagnostics/repair/prediction of multiple reactor scrams (simply called
> Reactor Trips in sodium cooled units). I've been sitting on the top plate of
> a secondary system water/sodium Condenser when the Fast Reactor, a 600MW
> (thermal output) design, tripped due to a sodium>water caustic reaction
> detection right under my arse. You may theorize all you like :o)
> Obviously my colon was completely empty....
>
Oops. Quite a adrenalin rush I'd have thought. :)
> In part the Japanese events highlight the shortcomings of water cooled
> reactors. When things go titsup events get complicated. Adding water to
> prodigious amounts of uncontrolled heat production doesn't read like a great
> idea. Pressure changes. State changes. Hydrogen production. Radioactive
> material transfer. They rely on active sytems to maintain safe operating
> parameters rather than multiple passive cooling mechanisms.
>
According to the BBC web site, there are two problems. One that involves
the reactor not getting the water it needs, and another one that
involves the fuel rods in some sort of cooling tank being partly or
completely out of the water.
>
> As the cores melt down into the base of the primary containment vessels the
> reaction level will depend on the amount of moderator material in the mix.
> Which will govern the level of heat generation and the potential for
> Criticality. I believe they use a MOX fuel but I don't know the enrichment
> level. But, whatever, I hope they had the same foresight as the British
> designers. The Primary Containment is suspended over an excavated
> steel/concrete/refractory lined pit (and has a burst plug in the base). When
> all else fails... wait until the hot slag runs through, wait a while, remove
> wreckage, concrete over and<cough> forget>>> casual 1000m
> sprin^h^h^h^walk
>
Could it come to this do you think?
Ian Field
"Muck" <mu...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:m99gp.125295$9b3....@newsfe23.ams2...
On the news they mentioned something about the fluid conducting the heat
from the rods to the steam pipes being not just ordinary water, they didn't
say what was special about it and I didn't bother looking it up.
steve auvache
>
>According to the BBC web site, there are two problems. One that involves
>the reactor not getting the water it needs, and another one that
>involves the fuel rods in some sort of cooling tank being partly or
>completely out of the water.
>
This is nothing for you to worry about. They are currently rinsing the
whole place out into the Pacific[1] and as we all know from our own,
albeit somewhat more limited, experience from emptying our drains into the
Irish Sea the leukaemia hotspots that persist in the area for generations
are easily covered up by government and industry denials.
[1] Of course this is total speculation but as they are pumping thousands
of gallons of seawater a second into the place I assume the on site
catchment pools have long since been overwhelmed and it has to go
somewhere and the sea is very close.
--
steve auvache
Ian Field
"steve auvache" <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote in message
news:4a82o6p50js1tpllv...@4ax.com...
There's also the plume - which when last mentioned on the news, was blowing
out to sea.
steve auvache
Again this is nothing to worry about. It is 3 or 4 days by jet stream to
mekania, which is plenty of time for some secret agency or other to
unleash whole armies of lawyers armed with gagging orders on anybody
stupid enough to mention the risks.
>
--
steve auvache
Mick Whittingham
<1e58fec3-0837-4a37...@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Krusty <presto...@gmail.com> writes
>On Mar 16, 7:54 pm, crn wrote:
>>
>> It's perfectly safe, nobody's going to die.
>
>We're fucked.
So are the people of Libya as Gaddafi's troops using aircraft and heavy
artillery murder the protesters, a lot of them unarmed, while the World
diverts its eyes to Japan.
Estimates on Al Jazzeera predicted over half a million will be
exterminated if he retakes Libyian areas held by the rebels..
--
Mick Whittingham
'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
Muck
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:30 +0000, Muck<mu...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> According to the BBC web site, there are two problems. One that involves
>> the reactor not getting the water it needs, and another one that
>> involves the fuel rods in some sort of cooling tank being partly or
>> completely out of the water.
>>
>
> This is nothing for you to worry about. They are currently rinsing the
> whole place out into the Pacific[1] and as we all know from our own,
> albeit somewhat more limited, experience from emptying our drains into the
> Irish Sea the leukaemia hotspots that persist in the area for generations
> are easily covered up by government and industry denials.
>
Leukaemia hotspots, that's of interest. I'd wonder if there's a source
of info on other medical conditions vs geographic location.
Nobody seems to make the workings of their numerical analysis apparent,
why should they when most of the country wouldn't understand or care?
Maybe there should be two news services, one for thick people and the
other for people wot know maths. ;)
>
> [1] Of course this is total speculation but as they are pumping thousands
> of gallons of seawater a second into the place I assume the on site
> catchment pools have long since been overwhelmed and it has to go
> somewhere and the sea is very close.
>
The sea is a really good heat sink, it's also very good at getting
radioactive material into the food chain. I wonder if this will pan out
to affect fishing?
Hog
> On 16/03/2011 17:13, Hog wrote:
>> In part the Japanese events highlight the shortcomings of water
>> cooled reactors. When things go titsup events get complicated.
>> Adding water to prodigious amounts of uncontrolled heat production
>> doesn't read like a great idea. Pressure changes. State changes.
>> Hydrogen production. Radioactive material transfer. They rely on
>> active sytems to maintain safe operating parameters rather than
>> multiple passive cooling mechanisms.
>
> According to the BBC web site, there are two problems. One that
> involves the reactor not getting the water it needs, and another one
> that involves the fuel rods in some sort of cooling tank being partly
> or completely out of the water.
It reads like the Nips may have been a "little" bit naughty on the Cooling
Pond design and squeezed the spent rod spacing up a tad, requiring water
dosed with boric acid to keep everything tickety boo. Even though I recall
that some of the fuel rods had been removed recently, meaning lots of high
active short lived fission products, ouchy hot, requiring active cooling.
Pumps etc...... ah there's a problem. Of course fuel rods in ponds, when
hot, also generate hydrogen.
>> As the cores melt down into the base of the primary containment
>> vessels the reaction level will depend on the amount of moderator
>> material in the mix. Which will govern the level of heat generation
>> and the potential for Criticality. I believe they use a MOX fuel but
>> I don't know the enrichment level. But, whatever, I hope they had
>> the same foresight as the British designers. The Primary Containment
>> is suspended over an excavated steel/concrete/refractory lined pit
>> (and has a burst plug in the base). When all else fails... wait
>> until the hot slag runs through, wait a while, remove wreckage,
>> concrete over and<cough> forget>>> casual 1000m sprin^h^h^h^walk
>>
>
> Could it come to this do you think?
I read that one of the reactors uses MOX fuel and the other 3 Low Enriched
Uranium fuel. LEU is the usual fuel for Light Water Reactors. Under 20%
U235.
I'm no chemist but I would be slightly surprised if the mix of LEU fuel and
internal parts and moderator material could collapse into a mass sustaining
a criticality sufficient to destroy the primary containment vessel. If it
was to get sufficiently hot to melt the fuel and it pooled, separating
somehow from the other detrius, perhaps? Criticality being quite distinct
from the background nuclear processes and heat production. Ref the
unfortunate Harry Daghlian!
MOX fuel is Pu and U oxides mixed and is probably more dangerous in this
incident.
Many reactors use a mixed fuel load, the core and outer layers containing
different materials. Reactor fuelling is a *really* complex subject, Ivan
would be far more qualified to comment I'd expect.
--
Hog
Hog
> In article
> <1e58fec3-0837-4a37...@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Krusty <presto...@gmail.com> writes
>> On Mar 16, 7:54 pm, crn wrote:
>>>
>>> It's perfectly safe, nobody's going to die.
>>
>> We're fucked.
>
>
> So are the people of Libya as Gaddafi's troops using aircraft and
> heavy artillery murder the protesters, a lot of them unarmed, while
> the World diverts its eyes to Japan.
>
> Estimates on Al Jazzeera predicted over half a million will be
> exterminated if he retakes Libyian areas held by the rebels..
Thank you Obama
--
Hog
Hog
> The sea is a really good heat sink, it's also very good at getting
> radioactive material into the food chain. I wonder if this will pan
> out to affect fishing?
It's also a huge sink of radioactivity
--
Hog
Muck
Ian Field
Why not - the Japs have got just about every other heavy metal into their
fish at one time or another.
steve auvache
>
>Leukaemia hotspots, that's of interest. I'd wonder if there's a source
>of info on other medical conditions vs geographic location.
look on conspiracythories.com
>>
>
>The sea is a really good heat sink, it's also very good at getting
>radioactive material into the food chain. I wonder if this will pan out
>to affect fishing?
Locally and for a brief (for entirely subjective values of brief) periods
yes but in the overall scheme of things hardly at all. Trouble is the
persistence of this shit and how many "minor" incidents of this type it
takes before it adds up (literally) to a deadly poison in the wider world
that cannot be swept under the carpet by changing the name of it every few
years.
--
steve auvache
Muck
> It reads like the Nips may have been a "little" bit naughty on the Cooling
> Pond design and squeezed the spent rod spacing up a tad, requiring water
> dosed with boric acid to keep everything tickety boo. Even though I recall
> that some of the fuel rods had been removed recently, meaning lots of high
> active short lived fission products, ouchy hot, requiring active cooling.
> Pumps etc...... ah there's a problem. Of course fuel rods in ponds, when
> hot, also generate hydrogen.
>
Hence the number of explosions at the plant recently. Non ideal amounts
of active cooling. Possible cracks in the cooling ponds, I'd be worried
about ground water contamination. Production of hydrogen, is that
another name for fission gas?
> I read that one of the reactors uses MOX fuel and the other 3 Low Enriched
> Uranium fuel. LEU is the usual fuel for Light Water Reactors. Under 20%
> U235.
> I'm no chemist but I would be slightly surprised if the mix of LEU fuel and
> internal parts and moderator material could collapse into a mass sustaining
> a criticality sufficient to destroy the primary containment vessel. If it
> was to get sufficiently hot to melt the fuel and it pooled, separating
> somehow from the other detrius, perhaps? Criticality being quite distinct
> from the background nuclear processes and heat production. Ref the
> unfortunate Harry Daghlian!
>
Some good news then, for small values of good.
Harry Daghlian, I remembered who that was without having to look it up.
The bloke who saw the blue flash of death? Just looked him up, it took
the poor bloke 25 days to die. That's _nasty_.
> MOX fuel is Pu and U oxides mixed and is probably more dangerous in this
> incident.
>
Mox fuel has a lower thermal conductivity (gleaned from wikipedia), so
would be more likely to cause problems through lack of sufficient forced
cooling.
> Many reactors use a mixed fuel load, the core and outer layers containing
> different materials. Reactor fuelling is a *really* complex subject, Ivan
> would be far more qualified to comment I'd expect.
>
It would be nice to have Ivans input.
Muck
>
> look on conspiracythories.com
>
Oh no.. into the realm of biomorphic engines and little green men.. aka
pseudo science. I know someone who's a real life fountain of pseudo
crap. It makes me want to bash them over the head with a text book or four.
>>>
>>
>> The sea is a really good heat sink, it's also very good at getting
>> radioactive material into the food chain. I wonder if this will pan out
>> to affect fishing?
>
> Locally and for a brief (for entirely subjective values of brief) periods
> yes but in the overall scheme of things hardly at all. Trouble is the
> persistence of this shit and how many "minor" incidents of this type it
> takes before it adds up (literally) to a deadly poison in the wider world
> that cannot be swept under the carpet by changing the name of it every few
> years.
>
So, it's a wait and see job then.
steve auvache
>
>>
>> look on conspiracythories.com
>>
>
>Oh no.. into the realm of biomorphic engines and little green men.. aka
>pseudo science. I know someone who's a real life fountain of pseudo
>crap. It makes me want to bash them over the head with a text book or four.
Just because UFO nuts are by and large in need of drugs and counseling
does not mean there are no little green men.
start here: http://southendcnd.org.uk/crimes-3.html
--
steve auvache
Ian Field
> On 16/03/2011 21:45, Hog wrote:
>
>> It reads like the Nips may have been a "little" bit naughty on the
>> Cooling
>> Pond design and squeezed the spent rod spacing up a tad, requiring water
>> dosed with boric acid to keep everything tickety boo. Even though I
>> recall
>> that some of the fuel rods had been removed recently, meaning lots of
>> high
>> active short lived fission products, ouchy hot, requiring active cooling.
>> Pumps etc...... ah there's a problem. Of course fuel rods in ponds, when
>> hot, also generate hydrogen.
>>
>
> Hence the number of explosions at the plant recently. Non ideal amounts of
> active cooling. Possible cracks in the cooling ponds, I'd be worried about
> ground water contamination. Production of hydrogen, is that another name
> for fission gas?
No - the extreme temperature imparts enough energy to separate water into H2
& O.
Raise the temperature a little more to the flashpoint of said combustible
mixture and it explodes.
Put a battery on charge - wait till you can see the gassing bubbles rising -
light match next to breather pipe.
Krusty
<M...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <1e58fec3-0837-4a37-b999-e6252a5a2...@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Krusty <preston.k...@gmail.com> writes
>
> >On Mar 16, 7:54 pm, crn wrote:
>
> >> It's perfectly safe, nobody's going to die.
>
> >We're fucked.
>
> So are the people of Libya as Gaddafi's troops using aircraft and heavy
> artillery murder the protesters, a lot of them unarmed, while the World
> diverts its eyes to Japan.
The general public may have diverted their eyes but the UN Security
Council have been meeting for the last few hours & it sounds like the
no fly one will happen. As usual it's Russia & China objecting.
c...@nospam.netunix.com
>
> On the news they mentioned something about the fluid conducting the heat
> from the rods to the steam pipes being not just ordinary water, they didn't
> say what was special about it and I didn't bother looking it up.
Pure deionsed or distilled water, any impurities can cause corrosion.
Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <7pudnXMvibEmjRzQ...@giganews.com>:
> On 03/16/2011 05:24 PM, Catman wrote:
>> On 16/03/2011 16:14, Ian Field wrote:
>>> "Champ"<ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:k6n1o6h2vuohmcnfq...@4ax.com...
>>>>> What I heard was ...
>>>> Instead of relying on what you heard, why not read accurate
>>>> information?
>>>> http://mitnse.com/
>>> Does "accurate information" found on the internet come with a
>>> certificate of
>>> guarantee nowadays.
>> You're right, of course. No way should MIT be regarded as reliable.
> Maintained by the students of the Department of Nuclear Science and
> Engineering at MIT.
Can't be anywhere near as good as Caltech then! :-^)
--
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Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <WFagp.49453$si3....@newsfe11.ams2>:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but though I trained as an
atomic physicist, that might not mean what you think... However, I think
the few "voices of reason" (e.g. Lewis Page in El Reg, and the sources
he's depending on) have it closer to the truth than the scaremongering of
the "popular" press. I started to watch the BBC 6-o'clock news on iPlayer
tonight -- I lasted about 10 seconds before having to turn off.
It's much the same as the brouhaha about the LHC turn-on: Is there
a risk? Yes, but it's small. Then we must do everything to minimise the
risk! Listen, fuckwit, I said the risk is small! But think of the
*children!*
I've personally taken well over the radiation limit allowed for
civilian populations, because I was classed as a "radiation worker" and
thus "allowed" several times more exposure than the man on the Clapham
omnibus. I forget the exact details (it was 25 years ago, but at least it
hasn't killed me yet), but I was asked to "take dose" as a scientist[1] to
help install a new vacuum O-ring into the tank containing the TRIUMF
accelerator; I was inside this container pressing the rubber thing into
place, and monitoring my dose on an electronic dosimeter on my belt. I
believe the aim was the quarterly allowed dose for radiation workers, but
I stayed in there much longer than previous scientists, protesting that
the dosimeter still wasn't up to the target level. Finally I was ordered
out, at which point a "proper" dosimeter in my shirt pocket showed I'd
taken 50% more dose than intended. Turned out my belly-fat roll was
shielding the electronic dosimeter enough to reduce its readings. Oops!
[1] The main idea being that non-expert people use up their dose allowance
on trivial tasks so that experts have a relatively clean sheet if they
need to go in on a real emergency. One of my scientific colleagues who
declined to be a part of this dose-levelling suddenly found that his
workshop jobs kept being allocated to lower priorities...
Thomas
> Thomas <keens...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Today:
> > "At the present time however, radiation levels at the boundary of the
> > facility are 1530 microsieverts/hour. "
> > And yesterday:
> > "Radiation levels on the edge of the plant compound briefly spiked at
> > 8217 microsieverts per hour but later fell to about a third that."
>
> > FWIW, radiation sickness sets in at roughly 1000 millisieverts. 5,000
> > mSv -- Acute levels deemed high enough to kill half of a population
> > within 30 days.
>
> Who spotted the trap for the unwary ?.
> 1 millisievert = 1000 microsieverts so you would need to be exposed
> to 8000 microsieverts for 125 hours to get sick or 625 hours to
> have a 50% death risk.
Yeah, I copied the wrong line. Just above that was "These levels had
been fluctuating during the early morning hours before rising to
300-400 millisievert/hr around the time that the smoke appeared."
> And that level of release only lasted for a very short time and was
> measured at the plant boundary, no in the town several miles away.
>
> Do the arithmetic for the various numbers and stop bloody panicing.
Panic? Over something that's happening on the other side of the
planet? I'll tell you what I'm panicking over. It's fucking laziness,
that's what. I haven't done diddly squat today. I made a long list of
things to do and it hasn't bloody helped. Forbes magazine once did a
survey of successful people, asking them what made them a success. The
one common factor was making lists. Well, I made a list and it isn't
helping! The troubles in a nuclear power plant in Japan isn't
affecting me one iota, but the fact I haven't got off my ass and done
my taxes, found a new dentist, or a roofer, or any of the other 20
items on the list _is_ causing me to panic. Must be time for alcohol.
I should at least be able to decide on beer or wine.
Hog
I think you just identified with why Nato should take a lead and the UN
should be sidelined, ideally with *some* Arab League co-operation. The UN
has a major league previously Communist and now Fascist state (PRC) on the
Security Council and a considerable number of non secular and non democratic
members.
Stopping the madman using air power is only one thing. We should be
destroying his armoured vehicles and artillery and giving those against him
a leg up.
I accept there is a big IF. Who is opposing him and what are they about.
Hopefully those we elect and employ have some clue.
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Hog