Choice of two - please help.
the man with no idea
effects of all my winter commutes, a friend happened to get talking to
2 blokes selling their bikes. So I'm begging for advice on the
relative merits of each and what to look out for in each.
First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all day
at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested that a
ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal. The seller is looking for about 1300.
Second, a Thunderace. Not seen yet. R-reg, supposedly mint at 1350.
Have read mixed reports on these but, mostly, owners seem to love them
for touring.
A few considerations. I am planning to do some touring soon. When I do
commute it's about 300 miles per week, mostly motorway. I am 6'2" and
have a 34" inside-leg, so looking for a bike that'll suit someone
fairly tall. I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
idea <inny...@yahoo.com> typed
>By way of coincidence, just as my ZR-7 is really starting to show the
>effects of all my winter commutes, a friend happened to get talking to
>2 blokes selling their bikes. So I'm begging for advice on the
>relative merits of each and what to look out for in each.
>
>First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
>except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
>said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all day
>at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested that a
>ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal.
In the fine tradition of recommending bikes you've owned, a ZZR1100 is a
Very Fine Motorcycle indeed.
>The seller is looking for about 1300.
I am out of touch with second hand bike prices, but this (if in good
nick) sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"
My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
Lozzo
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, the man with
> no idea <inny...@yahoo.com> typed
> > First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
> > except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
> > said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all
> > day at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested
> > that a ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal.
>
> In the fine tradition of recommending bikes you've owned, a ZZR1100
> is a Very Fine Motorcycle indeed.
Looking at it as someone who has owned 3 ZZR1100s and sold the last to
buy a Thunderace[1], I really miss my old Ace, but not too bothered
that I sold any of the ZZRs. Don't get me wrong, the ZZRs were all
great bikes, but I got on better with my Ace. It went better, handled
better, braked better, was comfier, didn't suffer from winter riding as
much, was lighter, had longer service intervals and was just as good on
fuel as the ZZRs. Overall it was a better bike and had the advantage of
looking more sports than tourer.
[1] I found out today it was sold last year to a guy in Glasgow and it
had 135K miles on the clock at that time.
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the man with no idea
> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, the man with
> > > First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
> > > except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
> > > said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all
> > > day at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested
> > > that a ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal.
>
> > In the fine tradition of recommending bikes you've owned, a ZZR1100
> > is a Very Fine Motorcycle indeed.
>
> Looking at it as someone who has owned 3 ZZR1100s and sold the last to
> buy a Thunderace[1], I really miss my old Ace, but not too bothered
> that I sold any of the ZZRs. Don't get me wrong, the ZZRs were all
> great bikes, but I got on better with my Ace. It went better, handled
> better, braked better, was comfier, didn't suffer from winter riding as
> much, was lighter, had longer service intervals and was just as good on
> fuel as the ZZRs. Overall it was a better bike and had the advantage of
> looking more sports than tourer.
>
> [1] I found out today it was sold last year to a guy in Glasgow and it
> had 135K miles on the clock at that time.
>
don't imagine they all reach that mileage? Is there much difference in
riding position? All the bikes I've had have been fairly upright, like
the ZR-7. I have ridden sportier bikes (CBR, R1) and found that they
made my wrists ache.
Colin Irvine
<inny...@yahoo.com> squeezed out the following:
>> Looking at it as someone who has owned 3 ZZR1100s and sold the last to
>> buy a Thunderace[1], I really miss my old Ace, but not too bothered
>> that I sold any of the ZZRs. Don't get me wrong, the ZZRs were all
>> great bikes, but I got on better with my Ace. It went better, handled
>> better, braked better, was comfier, didn't suffer from winter riding as
>> much, was lighter, had longer service intervals and was just as good on
>> fuel as the ZZRs. Overall it was a better bike and had the advantage of
>> looking more sports than tourer.
>>
>> [1] I found out today it was sold last year to a guy in Glasgow and it
>> had 135K miles on the clock at that time.
>>
>That's impressive! Is that because it was very well looked after
From 11K to about 38K it had FSH, near enough, but was binned a couple
of times (nothing major). Lozzo can comment thereafter..
>don't imagine they all reach that mileage? Is there much difference in
>riding position? All the bikes I've had have been fairly upright, like
>the ZR-7. I have ridden sportier bikes (CBR, R1) and found that they
>made my wrists ache.
The double bubble screen keeps the wind in your shoulders, not your
head. Yes your wrists ache after a while going slowly. The answer is
not to spend too much time going slowly.
--
Colin Irvine
YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
The Older Gentleman
The Ace will be cheaper. Just is. Colin Irvine loves his.
Of the two, I'd go for the ZZR, though, simply because there are plenty
to choose from, and they seem a bit better built and finished than the
Yam. I'd be a little bit wary of a ZZR priced at £1300, though.
Don't think the Ace has a centre stand, either, which is a definite
minus point.
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and hassle for no tangible benefit."
the man with no idea
Gentleman) wrote:
> the man with no idea <innyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
> > except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
> > said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all day
> > at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested that a
> > ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal. The seller is looking for about 1300.
>
> > Second, a Thunderace. Not seen yet. R-reg, supposedly mint at 1350.
> > Have read mixed reports on these but, mostly, owners seem to love them
> > for touring.
>
> > A few considerations. I am planning to do some touring soon. When I do
> > commute it's about 300 miles per week, mostly motorway. I am 6'2" and
> > have a 34" inside-leg, so looking for a bike that'll suit someone
> > fairly tall. I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
> > what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
>
> The Ace will be cheaper. Just is. Colin Irvine loves his.
I've found some of his previous posts, including common problems (I'll
be looking out for the revs holding at 7k and then dropping to
normal). He does paint a picture of a beautiful machine.
>
> Of the two, I'd go for the ZZR, though, simply because there are plenty
> to choose from, and they seem a bit better built and finished than the
> Yam.
Lozzo said the Ace winters better, I assumed he was talking about
finish etc. I've not seen either in the flesh but a mate reckons the
ZZR is a physically bigger bike and it would suit my size better than
the Ace.
> I'd be a little bit wary of a ZZR priced at £1300, though.
Well I am a bit concerned. Can you give me any pointers regarding
problems to look for. I've been sent some pics and it looks tidy. I'm
going to see the real thing next Sunday and could do with at least
giving the appearance of having a clue.
> Don't think the Ace has a centre stand, either, which is a definite
> minus point.
As I've never owned any stands, it would be a nuisance.
Vass
"the man with no idea" <inny...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ccb62853-1664-49a1...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> By way of coincidence, just as my ZR-7 is really starting to show the
> effects of all my winter commutes, a friend happened to get talking to
> 2 blokes selling their bikes. So I'm begging for advice on the
> relative merits of each and what to look out for in each.
>
> First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
> except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
> said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all day
> at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested that a
> ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal. The seller is looking for about 1300.
>
from memory ZZR's sufferred gearbox problems on older models
something to bear in mind
--
Vass
the man with no idea
wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT), the man with no idea
>
> >> Looking at it as someone who has owned 3 ZZR1100s and sold the last to
> >> buy a Thunderace[1], I really miss my old Ace, but not too bothered
> >> that I sold any of the ZZRs. Don't get me wrong, the ZZRs were all
> >> great bikes, but I got on better with my Ace. It went better, handled
> >> better, braked better, was comfier, didn't suffer from winter riding as
> >> much, was lighter, had longer service intervals and was just as good on
> >> fuel as the ZZRs. Overall it was a better bike and had the advantage of
> >> looking more sports than tourer.
>
> >> [1] I found out today it was sold last year to a guy in Glasgow and it
> >> had 135K miles on the clock at that time.
>
> >That's impressive! Is that because it was very well looked after
>
> From 11K to about 38K it had FSH, near enough, but was binned a couple
> of times (nothing major). Lozzo can comment thereafter..
>
> >don't imagine they all reach that mileage? Is there much difference in
> >riding position? All the bikes I've had have been fairly upright, like
> >the ZR-7. I have ridden sportier bikes (CBR, R1) and found that they
> >made my wrists ache.
>
> The double bubble screen keeps the wind in your shoulders, not your
> head. Yes your wrists ache after a while going slowly. The answer is
> not to spend too much time going slowly.
>
a bit concerned about being leant to far forward and I actually prefer
an upright position. Do people ever fit something like bar risers to
Aces or would that just be a silly 'defeats the object' kind of thing.
Not having met you, and having no idea about your height etc, would
you say the Ace is suitable for a lanky bloke like me?
Colin Irvine
<inny...@yahoo.com> squeezed out the following:
>On Mar 30, 8:56 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>Gentleman) wrote:
>> the man with no idea <innyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > First up is a ZZR1100. R-reg, looks to be in very good condition
>> > except looks like the tank doesn't match the plastics. When I once
>> > said that I'd just like a bike that'll accelerate well, cruise all day
>> > at 80 and still return 50 mpg someone (Champ I think) suggested that a
>> > ZZR would do that. Sounds ideal. The seller is looking for about 1300.
>>
>> > Second, a Thunderace. Not seen yet. R-reg, supposedly mint at 1350.
>> > Have read mixed reports on these but, mostly, owners seem to love them
>> > for touring.
>>
>> > A few considerations. I am planning to do some touring soon. When I do
>> > commute it's about 300 miles per week, mostly motorway. I am 6'2" and
>> > have a 34" inside-leg, so looking for a bike that'll suit someone
>> > fairly tall. I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
>> > what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
>>
>> The Ace will be cheaper. Just is. Colin Irvine loves his.
>
>I've found some of his previous posts, including common problems (I'll
>be looking out for the revs holding at 7k and then dropping to
>normal). He does paint a picture of a beautiful machine.
Indeed. Really the exup valve is about the only thing that can cause
problems. You can end up replacing the sensor, and the servo motor if
the bike's been run with a stuck valve, but that's about it. If the
valve is sticking you can get lubricating exup juice on ebay or via
the T/A mailing list.
Colin Irvine
<inny...@yahoo.com> squeezed out the following:
>On Mar 30, 8:52 am, Colin Irvine <Colin.Irv...@seebottomof.home.page>
>wrote:
>> The double bubble screen keeps the wind in your shoulders, not your
>> head. Yes your wrists ache after a while going slowly. The answer is
>> not to spend too much time going slowly.
>>
>Ah, you're just the man for the Ace. TBH, I have back problems and am
>a bit concerned about being leant to far forward and I actually prefer
>an upright position. Do people ever fit something like bar risers to
>Aces or would that just be a silly 'defeats the object' kind of thing.
Several owners have fitted them, and IIRC are quite happy with them.
If back posture is that important, however, I think I'd be going for
something like a Triumph Sprint rather than a full-on sportsbike that
happens to be for sale.
>Not having met you, and having no idea about your height etc, would
>you say the Ace is suitable for a lanky bloke like me?
I'm 6'1" and it suits me perfectly.
Nige
>
> Well I am a bit concerned. Can you give me any pointers regarding
> problems to look for. I've been sent some pics and it looks tidy. I'm
> going to see the real thing next Sunday and could do with at least
> giving the appearance of having a clue.
Camchains can rattle, but it's usually the tensioner (about £60) If it does
rattle there is a balancer shaft that can tighten it up a bit too & nearly
always gets missed. They are very fucking heavy. Head races go quite
quickly. The standard brakes are shite & they can eat pads. Rear shocks are
a bit iffy too, so check that. Wheels can corrode & crack too, so give that
a good going over. Parts are plentiful & quite cheap too. Fit clear
indicators from the ZZR1200 & a led type rear light updates them a bit too.
They are mega cheap to insure too.
I fit some Genmar bar risers to my last one & it makes a huge differnece to
comfort. I have had two & they are a fantastic bike quite capable of silly
speeds, but do handle quite well. Get a standard bike with non of the stupid
colour schemes they seem to get after going down the road.
--
Nige, talking utter shite since 1967.
Focus ST3
Discovery 3 XS
Daytona SE
BMW K1200S (coming soon)
NIGE#1
Nige
Not on a 98 model i wouldn't think.
Champ
> First up is a ZZR1100.
> Second, a Thunderace.
Both a very good bikes, and a good example of either will almost
certainly meet your needs. Of the two, the Thunderace is just a
little sportier, in the sense that it feels like it carries less
weight, and can be chucked about a bit more. But there's not a lot
in it.
I think there are many more ZZRs out there - they sold *loads*, and
the model ran for the best pat of a decade - so there's no reason to
go for the first one you find, and, as TOG says, 1300 *is* a little
low for a decent one. They have an excellent rep, and consequently
still fetch decent money. The Ace sold less, over a shorter period,
so there's less around, and they just don't have the rep of the ZZR -
it was realy a fill-in model between the original EXUP and the R1.
Really, you need to look at them, sit on them, and ideally get a ride
on them.
--
Champ (via google groups)
steve auvache
s.com>, the man with no idea <inny...@yahoo.com> writes
>I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
>what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
What colour are they?
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A Bloo one with built in safety features
the man with no idea
> In article <ccb62853-1664-49a1-9767-d44e7df1e...@i12g2000prf.googlegroup
> s.com>, the man with no idea <innyb...@yahoo.com> writes
>
> >I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
> >what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
>
> What colour are they?
>
here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/innybiff/sets/72157604316520496/
I think it may have had some "been down the road" colour scheme
adjustments.
steve auvache
s.com>, the man with no idea <inny...@yahoo.com> writes
>On Mar 30, 2:07 pm, steve auvache <dont_s...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <ccb62853-1664-49a1-9767-d44e7df1e...@i12g2000prf.googlegroup
>> s.com>, the man with no idea <innyb...@yahoo.com> writes
>>
>> >I know SFA about things mechanic and need an OMF guide to
>> >what to look for when I inspect/test the bikes.
>>
>> What colour are they?
>>
>I assume you're TTP.
Your assumption is wrong.