Clutch lever switch on a Bandit
Flossie the Sheep
At the hour of Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:17:22 +0100,
r-jo...@dial.pipex.com (Richard Johnson) scribbled:
>Pardon me for being thick, but what is the point of the clutch lever
>switch (which prevents you from starting the bike unless the clutch lever
>is pulled in).
>
>All it seems to do is prevent you from push starting the bike when you've
>been an idiot and left your lights on all day.
yes you are being thick - its called a side-stand switch you twonk.
Its there so you can't pull away with the side stand down. Either put
your side stand up, or put the bike in Neutral. [1] You'll be asking
what the point of having the Kill Switch is when you've got an
ignition key, next, tsch...
[1] Using the patent Suzuki Where-the-fuck-is-it (tm) Neutral Finder
[2] DEF...
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Richard Johnson
Hi,
Pardon me for being thick, but what is the point of the clutch lever
switch (which prevents you from starting the bike unless the clutch lever
is pulled in).
All it seems to do is prevent you from push starting the bike when you've
been an idiot and left your lights on all day.
Yours curiously,
Richard
Joe (R.R.M.XLII K.S.C.)
In addition to the side stand switch, some bikes have a switch on the
clutch
lever itself. A friend of mine has a 1994 Suzuki Intruder 1400 with
such
a switch. Even in Neutral, with the side stand up in riding position,
the bike won't start without the clutch lever pulled in all the way.
We can't figure out why the switch is set up like that, maybe to save
the
manufacturer the trouble of putting the switch down on the side stand
(unless
there are two switches in a redundant system). It would be pretty
much impossible to push start the V-twin 1400 cc anyway, so we never
cared,
but the switch could probably be disabled by finding & shorting it.
It's probably the designers of the switch that are thick. Side
stand switches are a good idea, but the unnecessary stuff is just
ridiculous. I can start my 1997 Kaw Vulcan 1500 in Neutral, with the
side stand down & the clutch out. It's never caused me trouble. It
only kills if I let out the clutch in gear with the side stand down.
Joe
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Joe (R.R.M.XLII K.S.C.) wrote:
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> It's probably the designers of the switch that are thick. Side
> stand switches are a good idea
in theory - yes - in practice no....Why - because sidestand switches
suffer from the same complaint as all mechanical items, wear-and tear
+vibration fatigue.
And side stand switches half the time fail on you when you've cogged down
to acceletrate/overtake/whatever and you're in a dangerous position, ie
wrong side of the road, outside lane of Mxx at 70+overtaking speed. You'll
know the sidestand switch has failed cos your enginge dies, just like
that, real scary once -never again....
> , but the unnecessary stuff is just
> ridiculous. I can start my 1997 Kaw Vulcan 1500 in Neutral, with the
> side stand down & the clutch out. It's never caused me trouble. It
> only kills if I let out the clutch in gear with the side stand down.
>
> Joe
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Dave Healy
"Joe (R.R.M.XLII K.S.C.)" <r...@flash.net> wrote:
>In addition to the side stand switch, some bikes have a switch on the
>clutch
>lever itself. A friend of mine has a 1994 Suzuki Intruder 1400 with
>such
>a switch. Even in Neutral, with the side stand up in riding position,
>the bike won't start without the clutch lever pulled in all the way.
>We can't figure out why the switch is set up like that, maybe to save
>the
>manufacturer the trouble of putting the switch down on the side stand
>(unless
>there are two switches in a redundant system). It would be pretty
>much impossible to push start the V-twin 1400 cc anyway, so we never
>cared,
>but the switch could probably be disabled by finding & shorting it.
The Bandit seems to have a bit of a peculiar system; you have to start in
in neutral with the clutch pulled in, although you can leave the side stand
down. As soon as you try to put it in gear with the stand down, it'll cut
out again. Just after I got mine I spent an extremely embarassing five
minutes outside the window of the office gym trying to work out why the
bike kept cutting out evry time I tried to put the bloody thing in gear.
Whoops.
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Tim Puffett
In article <MPG.f8cdb585...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Richard
Johnson <r-jo...@dial.pipex.com> writes
I had a Bandit 600 (UK) and don't remember having to pull the clutch in
to start it. Often used to start it and leave it ticking over for a
minute or two while I locked house, put on helmet etc..
Maybe I just pulled it in automagically and subconsciously and never
noticed.
Vinny, does yours need the clutch pulled in to start?
Tim BOF#009
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Richard Johnson
I beg to differ, a switch in the side stand is called a side stand
switch, whereas a switch in the CLUTCH LEVER is not a side-stand switch.
Maybe you've missed my point, even with the side-stand up, the bike still
cannot be started unless you pull the clutch in (even though you may be
in neutral).
Am I still being thick ?
Richard Johnson
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt !!!
Flossie the Sheep
At the hour of Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:22:56 +0100,
r-jo...@dial.pipex.com (Richard Johnson) scribbled:
>I beg to differ, a switch in the side stand is called a side stand
>switch, whereas a switch in the CLUTCH LEVER is not a side-stand switch.
>
>Maybe you've missed my point, even with the side-stand up, the bike still
>cannot be started unless you pull the clutch in (even though you may be
>in neutral).
>
>Am I still being thick ?
I think so ... unless you have a very different Bandit to me
(standard UK model). OK - the way it works (for me) in Nice Simple
Words :
1) Ignition "ON"
2) Kill Switch to "ON"
...now the clever bit :
3a) (i) Engage Neutral (pretty light tells you "Neutral"). Not as easy
as it sounds on any Suzuki...
(ii) Press "START"
(iii) Raise your side-stand
-or-
3b) (i) Pull in clutch [this is what you're doing, right?]
(ii) Press "START"
(iii) Engage gear
(iv) Engine cuts-out
(v) Realise you didn't raise the side-stand
(vi) Look embarrased, pretend you meant to do that anyway
(vii) Raise side-stand and try again
-now the important bit-
4) Engage 1st gear
5) slip clutch and rev like fuck
6) loft front-wheel into air
7) fuck off into distance pretending you're Garry Rothwell (or
whoever)
Sounds like there's something wierd with your Bandit, mate. All the
pulling in clutch does is allow you to start the bike in gear with the
side-stand down. As soon as you release the clutch and the gear starts
to bite, it will cut-out. This prevents Nasty Embarrasing Car-Park
Accidents...
I had exactly the same system on my old jap-grey-import 400 Suzuki
(complete with bastard-neutral-mode) so I can't see that's its a
UK-only system!
Andy C.
Flossie the Sheep wrote:
> At the hour of Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:22:56 +0100,
> r-jo...@dial.pipex.com (Richard Johnson) scribbled:
>
> >I beg to differ, a switch in the side stand is called a side stand
> >switch, whereas a switch in the CLUTCH LEVER is not a side-stand switch.
> >
> >Maybe you've missed my point, even with the side-stand up, the bike still
> >cannot be started unless you pull the clutch in (even though you may be
> >in neutral).
> >
> >Am I still being thick ?
>
> I think so ... unless you have a very different Bandit to me
> (standard UK model). OK - the way it works (for me) in Nice Simple
> Words :
>
> 1) Ignition "ON"
> 2) Kill Switch to "ON"
>
> ...now the clever bit :
> 3a) (i) Engage Neutral (pretty light tells you "Neutral"). Not as easy
> as it sounds on any Suzuki...
> (ii) Press "START"
> (iii) Raise your side-stand
Nah - much better (and safer) to reverse (ii) and (iii)....
>
>
> -or-
>
> 3b) (i) Pull in clutch [this is what you're doing, right?]
> (ii) Press "START"
> (iii) Engage gear
(iii) is redundant as you're already in gear [1]
> (iv) Engine cuts-out
> (v) Realise you didn't raise the side-stand
> (vi) Look embarrased, pretend you meant to do that anyway
> (vii) Raise side-stand and try again
>
> -now the important bit-
>
> 4) Engage 1st gear
> 5) slip clutch and rev like fuck
> 6) loft front-wheel into air
here's another choice :
> 7a) fuck off into distance pretending you're Garry Rothwell (or
> whoever)
>
7b) flip it right over, trash it/yourself/both, to the amusement/horror of
bystanders
> Sounds like there's something wierd with your Bandit, mate. All the
> pulling in clutch does is allow you to start the bike in gear with the
> side-stand down. As soon as you release the clutch and the gear starts
> to bite, it will cut-out. This prevents Nasty Embarrasing Car-Park
> Accidents...
>
> I had exactly the same system on my old jap-grey-import 400 Suzuki
> (complete with bastard-neutral-mode) so I can't see that's its a
> UK-only system!
>
[1] cos you didn't do 3a(i)
Flossie the Sheep
At the hour of Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:47:43 +0100, "Andy C."
<Andy....@york.microvitec.co.uk> scribbled:
>> ...now the clever bit :
>> 3a) (i) Engage Neutral (pretty light tells you "Neutral"). Not as easy
>> as it sounds on any Suzuki...
>> (ii) Press "START"
>> (iii) Raise your side-stand
>
>Nah - much better (and safer) to reverse (ii) and (iii)....
I think I meant that...lost the plot big time in the middle of
writing that message. Can I claim mental damage due to having to drive
er um er <small voice> a Ovlov </small voice> earlier in the day [1]
through loverly bikey roads and weather, then riding a bike through
horrid rain and shitty London traffic later in the day...?
[1] the one and only time this year, and it wasn't mine, and I promise
not to do it again. In fact it could have been the only cage I've
driven this year, Rufty Tufty that's me, yeah...
Andy Dix
My two penneth...
Recently had my CBR6 in for it's 600 first service and borrowed a P reg
bandit (600). I had to pull the clutch in to make the start button do
anything. In neutral, little green light smiling nicely, side stand down.
The starter will not engage unless the clutch in pulled. If then you try
to put in in gear with the side stand down it'll also cut out. It appears
on all fairly recent Suzukis this is the case as a mate has just got a
GSXR6 and his need it's clutch in too for a start.
My CBR only needs the side stand up to get it in gear. No annoying clutch
pull to warm up engine before kitting up before hopping on and buggering
off at high speed for me ;-)
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Richard Johnson <r-jo...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in article
<MPG.f8cdb585...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> Hi,
>
> Pardon me for being thick, but what is the point of the clutch lever
> switch (which prevents you from starting the bike unless the clutch lever
> is pulled in).
>
> All it seems to do is prevent you from push starting the bike when you've
> been an idiot and left your lights on all day.
>
> Yours curiously,
> Richard
>
Trevor Dennis
In article Richard Johnson writes
>All it seems to do is prevent you from push starting the bike when you've
>been an idiot and left your lights on all day.
The clutch switch disables the starter motor, not
the ignition. You can still push start the bike
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Flossie the Sheep wrote:
>
> At the hour of Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:17:22 +0100,
> r-jo...@dial.pipex.com (Richard Johnson) scribbled:
>
> >switch (which prevents you from starting the bike unless the clutch lever
> >is pulled in).
> >
> >been an idiot and left your lights on all day.
>
Er..my bike won't start in-gear with the stand *up*
Andy Funnell
My Bandit's the same... Won't start unless the clutch is dissengaged
regardless of which gear I'm in and the position of the sidestand. It is a
pain in the ass though.
Andy
Matthew Cull
In article <6g7mj6$drj$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, Andy Funnell
<andy.f...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>My Bandit's the same... Won't start unless the clutch is dissengaged
>regardless of which gear I'm in and the position of the sidestand. It is a
>pain in the ass though.
Andy, just a thought but if you used the four fingers of your left hand
like everyone else it wouldn't be quite such a pain.
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"Andy Funnell" <andy.f...@dial.pipex.com> complained:
>My Bandit's the same... Won't start unless the clutch is dissengaged
>regardless of which gear I'm in and the position of the sidestand. It is a
>pain in the ass though.
A few moments with the wiring diagram and a screwdriver soon fixes
that. Find the two wires going to the switch and where they connect to
the wiring harness (inside the headlamp shell on a Bandit?). Disconnect
the two switch wires and connect the two leads from the harness together
(they'll have opposite sexes), and voila`, your electrics think you always
have the clutch-lever in. Just about the first thing I always do with a new
Suzuki.
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andy the pugh
Richard Johnson <r-jo...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> I beg to differ, a switch in the side stand is called a side stand
> switch, whereas a switch in the CLUTCH LEVER is not a side-stand switch.
>
> Maybe you've missed my point, even with the side-stand up, the bike still
> cannot be started unless you pull the clutch in (even though you may be
> in neutral).
>
> Am I still being thick ?
>
That is unusual. Generally (neutral OR clutch in) AND sidestand up is
the way it works. It may be that the connection between the neutral
light and the clever widgetry is dysfunctional.
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My GSXRWT works on the clutch in start method...oh how I laughed when me
and a chum swapped bikes, and I disappeared into the distance leaving him
wondering why the f*** it wouldn't start...hehehehehe
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