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YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 6:17:22 AM2/14/15
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Got back on the Peg today and noticed the vast differences between it
and and the KLR650.
As soon as I sat on it my feet touched the floor, flat. The Peg actually
felt small. The KLR is a much taller bike and it is just the balls of my
feet that touch down.
Sitting on the Peg I realised I was more scrunched up, my knees bent
back further and my body was also further forward. On the KLR my arm
reach and leg angle felt much more natural.
Aside from that, there is the power. The Peg has much more of it, the
KLR is only 33BHP and this was noticeable when ever we went up hill or
gained any height. On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption
with a tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a
max of 170ish. Both bikes will cruise all day at 70-80MPH and on dirt
and ripio handled about the same.
The KLR sounds like a sewing machine and is built like a tractor. Its
biggest downside is having to unbolt the fairing or seat to work on
anything, even the spark plug.
I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
If I was faced with the choice of the to bikes now, despite how much I
like the Peg, the KLR would win.
--
Bruce Porter
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and and the KLR650.
As soon as I sat on it my feet touched the floor, flat. The Peg actually
felt small. The KLR is a much taller bike and it is just the balls of my
feet that touch down.
Sitting on the Peg I realised I was more scrunched up, my knees bent
back further and my body was also further forward. On the KLR my arm
reach and leg angle felt much more natural.
Aside from that, there is the power. The Peg has much more of it, the
KLR is only 33BHP and this was noticeable when ever we went up hill or
gained any height. On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption
with a tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a
max of 170ish. Both bikes will cruise all day at 70-80MPH and on dirt
and ripio handled about the same.
The KLR sounds like a sewing machine and is built like a tractor. Its
biggest downside is having to unbolt the fairing or seat to work on
anything, even the spark plug.
I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
If I was faced with the choice of the to bikes now, despite how much I
like the Peg, the KLR would win.
--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
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wessie
Feb 14, 2015, 9:29:51 AM2/14/15
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YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:mbnaqr$jjk$1...@dont-email.me:
> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
> obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
> cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
> make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
>
they did from 87-02. I rode one as a service loan bike from Frasers in
Gloucester back in the late 90s. It was horrible compared to the Honda
Dominator[1] that was the best bike in class in the early 90s and the newer
BMW/Aprilia bikes with Rotax engines that came along later.
It seems they revised the bike in 2008 but by that time Kawasaki had the
Versys selling well in the UK.
You can get a nearly new one, which must be a parallel import
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/kawasaki/klr650/
2014 model, £5299
[1] my 1st post 125 bike.
> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
> obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
> cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
> make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
>
Gloucester back in the late 90s. It was horrible compared to the Honda
Dominator[1] that was the best bike in class in the early 90s and the newer
BMW/Aprilia bikes with Rotax engines that came along later.
It seems they revised the bike in 2008 but by that time Kawasaki had the
Versys selling well in the UK.
You can get a nearly new one, which must be a parallel import
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/kawasaki/klr650/
2014 model, £5299
[1] my 1st post 125 bike.
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 11:30:00 AM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 13:42, sweller wrote:
> knowing that.
>
Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
Anything else ?
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>> 170ish
>
> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information without
>
>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>> 170ish
>
> knowing that.
>
Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
Anything else ?
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 11:48:42 AM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 14:29, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:mbnaqr$jjk$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
>> obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
>> cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
>> make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
>>
>
> they did from 87-02. I rode one as a service loan bike from Frasers in
Did they ?
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:mbnaqr$jjk$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe,
>> obviously it would be an emission thing, but as it is already water
>> cooled surely they could tweak it or bang on FI ? It would certainly
>> make for a cheap and usable alternative to the Tenere.
>>
>
> they did from 87-02. I rode one as a service loan bike from Frasers in
Hmm, yes... I'd run just looking at the colour :-)
http://www.usedmotors4sale.co.uk/detail/Used-1996-Kawasaki-KLR-650-C/PPdldBdBYdeXABEYePXl.html
And it looks like they have a new model from 2014, but it is nothing
like the USA KLR (single shock, different swing arm and other bits)
> Gloucester back in the late 90s. It was horrible compared to the Honda
> Dominator[1] that was the best bike in class in the early 90s and the newer
> BMW/Aprilia bikes with Rotax engines that came along later.
similar roads).
>
> It seems they revised the bike in 2008 but by that time Kawasaki had the
> Versys selling well in the UK.
>
> You can get a nearly new one, which must be a parallel import
> http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/kawasaki/klr650/
> 2014 model, £5299
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpho7jzrlryrtet/P1050560.JPG?dl=0
>
This is USA 2014 model, still twin shock etc
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/kawasaki/kawasaki_klr650%2008.htm
>
> [1] my 1st post 125 bike.
>
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ogden
Feb 14, 2015, 2:34:13 PM2/14/15
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swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
> > > > On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
> > > > range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
> > > > 170ish
> > >
> > > How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
> > > without knowing that.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
> >
> > 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
> >
> > Anything else ?
>
> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
> > > > On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
> > > > range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
> > > > 170ish
> > >
> > > How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
> > > without knowing that.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
> >
> > 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
> >
> > Anything else ?
>
You say stupid, my old KTM had a 9 litre tank. As it is, the newer KTM
has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless ridden like a
nun.
--
ogden
GSXR1000 | 990SMT | YZF-R6
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 2:40:16 PM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 19:04, sweller wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>> 170ish
>>>
>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>> without knowing that.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>
>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>> Anything else ?
>
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>> 170ish
>>>
>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>> without knowing that.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>
>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>> Anything else ?
>
> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>
*ding* :-) (to the tank size).
>
Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
If the peg did that then I could manage 156 to reserve ( more like
Jean's Peg) and 195 on a tank. That would make a world of a difference
to me :-)
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Mark Olson
Feb 14, 2015, 2:48:14 PM2/14/15
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On 2015-02-14 1:04 PM, sweller wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>> 170ish
>>>
>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>> without knowing that.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>
>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>> Anything else ?
>
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>> 170ish
>>>
>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>> without knowing that.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>
>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>> Anything else ?
>
> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
The Pegaso would probably benefit from my Rotopax fuel can mount
more than the KLR650 did. Never did need that gallon on my 2 week
off-road trip last September, but it sure didn't make it any
easier to pick up off the floor.
There's another Pelican case on the LHS that goes over the aluminum
sheet.
http://goo.gl/ETpYPS
Mark Olson
Feb 14, 2015, 2:52:15 PM2/14/15
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On 2015-02-14 1:47 PM, sweller wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
>>>>>> a max of 170ish
>
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
>>>>>> a max of 170ish
>
>>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>
>
>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>
>> ding :-) (to the tank size).
>
>>
>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
>
> I guesstimated the mpg to be 52 vs 59 - not too dissimilar - but
>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
>
> significant when you have a Harley-esque tank.
From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
Last updated on Sat Jan 24 08:08:43 CST 2015
Fillups=61, miles = 9073.80, gals = 196.81, average MPG = 46.10
Multiply by 1.2 to get UK gallons, so 55.2 miles/UK gallon.
wessie
Feb 14, 2015, 4:22:55 PM2/14/15
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ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote in
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any better when ridden through a nun?
news:MPG.2f49b386d...@news.eternal-september.org:
The Older Gentleman
Feb 14, 2015, 4:27:21 PM2/14/15
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YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
--
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Yamaha XJ600S 660 Tenere Suzuki TS250ERx3 BMW R60/6
More garages needed....
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ogden
Feb 14, 2015, 4:53:56 PM2/14/15
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compare fuel consumption.
--
ogden
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 4:58:09 PM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 19:52, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-14 1:47 PM, sweller wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
>>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
>>>>>>> a max of 170ish
>>
>>>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>>
>>> ding :-) (to the tank size).
>>>
>>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
>>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
>>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
>>
>> I guesstimated the mpg to be 52 vs 59 - not too dissimilar - but
>> significant when you have a Harley-esque tank.
>
> From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
You sad sad bastard
> On 2015-02-14 1:47 PM, sweller wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
>>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
>>>>>>> a max of 170ish
>>
>>>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>
>>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>>
>>> ding :-) (to the tank size).
>>>
>>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
>>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
>>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
>>
>> I guesstimated the mpg to be 52 vs 59 - not too dissimilar - but
>> significant when you have a Harley-esque tank.
>
> From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
:-)
>
> Last updated on Sat Jan 24 08:08:43 CST 2015
> Fillups=61, miles = 9073.80, gals = 196.81, average MPG = 46.10
>
> Multiply by 1.2 to get UK gallons, so 55.2 miles/UK gallon.
>
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 5:03:51 PM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 19:48, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-14 1:04 PM, sweller wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>>> 170ish
>>>>
>>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>>> without knowing that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>>
>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>>
>>> Anything else ?
>>
>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>
> The Pegaso would probably benefit from my Rotopax fuel can mount
Fuck that, I just carry an 8 litre fuel can :-)
> On 2015-02-14 1:04 PM, sweller wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a tank
>>>>> range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with a max of
>>>>> 170ish
>>>>
>>>> How big are the respective tanks? Fairly useless information
>>>> without knowing that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I assumed everyone had heard about my Peg tank size moans
>>>
>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
>>>
>>> Anything else ?
>>
>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>
> The Pegaso would probably benefit from my Rotopax fuel can mount
> more than the KLR650 did. Never did need that gallon on my 2 week
> off-road trip last September, but it sure didn't make it any
> easier to pick up off the floor.
>
twice in the same place).
1 & 2) From Arica to Iquique (Chile), over 256 kms with no fuel. Bottled
it when I hit reserve (The Peg and the Funduro)
3) Kazakhstan, going north from Aral'sk City. Used the spare fuel and
then still didn't have enough :-)
> There's another Pelican case on the LHS that goes over the aluminum
> sheet.
>
> http://goo.gl/ETpYPS
Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
(Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
YTC#1
Feb 14, 2015, 5:05:06 PM2/14/15
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On 14/02/2015 21:27, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>
> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
>
>
Yep, I stand corrected by you an Wessie
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>
> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
>
>
Thomas
Feb 14, 2015, 5:37:15 PM2/14/15
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> I have only had to use the spare fuel twice (OK, maybe 3 times as it was
> twice in the same place).
>
Braggart. ;-)
Mark Olson
Feb 14, 2015, 6:09:09 PM2/14/15
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On 2015-02-14 4:03 PM, YTC#1 wrote:
> I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
>
> Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
> (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
I have to say I totally 100% agree with you. I happened to get
> I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
>
> Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
> (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
a really good deal on a set, including the Pack Rat Touring rack,
for about the price of the rack alone. So I essentially got them for
free. One thing about those Pelican cases, they're fucking tough and
there's no way you'll hurt them short of setting them on fire. Another
member of our party, who shall remain nameless, managed to dent his
aluminum top loading panniers when he fell off, but managed to bash
it back into shape with a rock. I think I fell off three times and
my bags were none the worse except for a few beauty marks.
ogden
Feb 14, 2015, 6:21:49 PM2/14/15
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ols...@tiny.invalid wrote:
>
> On 2015-02-14 4:03 PM, YTC#1 wrote:
> > I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
> >
> > Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
> > (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
>
> I have to say I totally 100% agree with you. I happened to get
> a really good deal on a set, including the Pack Rat Touring rack,
> for about the price of the rack alone. So I essentially got them for
> free. One thing about those Pelican cases, they're fucking tough and
> there's no way you'll hurt them short of setting them on fire. Another
> member of our party, who shall remain nameless, managed to dent his
> aluminum top loading panniers when he fell off, but managed to bash
> it back into shape with a rock.
I've bent my ally topbox back into shape with a bottle jack masquerading
>
> On 2015-02-14 4:03 PM, YTC#1 wrote:
> > I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
> >
> > Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
> > (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
>
> I have to say I totally 100% agree with you. I happened to get
> a really good deal on a set, including the Pack Rat Touring rack,
> for about the price of the rack alone. So I essentially got them for
> free. One thing about those Pelican cases, they're fucking tough and
> there's no way you'll hurt them short of setting them on fire. Another
> member of our party, who shall remain nameless, managed to dent his
> aluminum top loading panniers when he fell off, but managed to bash
> it back into shape with a rock.
as a hydraulic press. It's so dented it looks like painted bubble-wrap,
but it works...
--
ogden
Mark Olson
Feb 14, 2015, 6:39:19 PM2/14/15
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On 2015-02-14 5:21 PM, ogden wrote:
> I've bent my ally topbox back into shape with a bottle jack masquerading
> as a hydraulic press. It's so dented it looks like painted bubble-wrap,
> but it works...
The bad part wasn't so much denting the case as bending the steel
> I've bent my ally topbox back into shape with a bottle jack masquerading
> as a hydraulic press. It's so dented it looks like painted bubble-wrap,
> but it works...
mounting frame so that the quick release mechanism would no longer
hold the case on. My cases were screwed onto the frame with hand
screws so weren't in danger of coming off from just a minor spill.
I think if I ever do such a trip again, I have learned a few things:
* better to have much less weight on the back, for better handling
in the dirt. So I'll probably leave the Rotopax at home, or If I
need it for something like the Dalton highway, stick strictly to
gravel roads or very easy trails.
* every time I've planned to do a combination of camping and motels, I
always end up camping only once or twice and motel-ing it the rest. But
I still have to carry all the camping kit through the whole journey.
Hmmm.
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Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 3:20:48 AM2/15/15
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Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 3:27:08 AM2/15/15
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On 14/02/15 22:27, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>
> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
970, somewhere in Germany to somewhere in Spain. Knackered didn't
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>
> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
describe it.
Me, 970 miles in fly splattered leathers, at a 5* hotel reception,
somewhere on the east coast of Spain.......
Moi: "I like a single room please"
Sexy Droid: "Would you like to know the price?"
Moi: "Do I look like I care about the fucking price!".
Dog that was *the* best bath I've ever had, and it was only about 150
euros, so not stupid.
Andy Bonwick
Feb 15, 2015, 4:29:33 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 06:44, sweller wrote:
> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>
Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
my H2?
The worst I managed from the 250 KTM was about 18mpg which hurts even
more when you add on expensive fully synthetic 2 stroke oil.
> ogden wrote:
>
>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>>
>> You say stupid, my old KTM had a 9 litre tank. As it is, the newer
>> KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless ridden
>> like a nun.
>
> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve (a
>
>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
>>
>> You say stupid, my old KTM had a 9 litre tank. As it is, the newer
>> KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless ridden
>> like a nun.
>
> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>
Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
my H2?
The worst I managed from the 250 KTM was about 18mpg which hurts even
more when you add on expensive fully synthetic 2 stroke oil.
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 4:55:09 AM2/15/15
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other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>
>> Multiply by 1.2 to get UK gallons, so 55.2 miles/UK gallon.
>
>
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 4:57:49 AM2/15/15
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I'm just trying to show how hard it is to run out of fuel in the world
(admittedly I've not sampled Africa or Asia yet). But as I see it,
everyone needs fuel and the smaller the local vehicles are the more
likely there will be some (even out of a barrel). The tuktuks are a
prime example, everywhere they have been used on my travels there have
been an abundance of places selling petrol.
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 4:59:13 AM2/15/15
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On 14/02/2015 23:09, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-14 4:03 PM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
>>
>> Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
>> (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
>
> I have to say I totally 100% agree with you. I happened to get
> a really good deal on a set, including the Pack Rat Touring rack,
> for about the price of the rack alone. So I essentially got them for
I'd chop the top off and make them into top loaders :-)
> On 2015-02-14 4:03 PM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> I forgot to mention how much I hated the Pelican cases.
>>
>> Bloody side loading cases are a PITA. Give me top loading any day.
>> (Says he with 4 Givi panniers in then garage)
>
> I have to say I totally 100% agree with you. I happened to get
> a really good deal on a set, including the Pack Rat Touring rack,
> for about the price of the rack alone. So I essentially got them for
> free. One thing about those Pelican cases, they're fucking tough and
> there's no way you'll hurt them short of setting them on fire. Another
> member of our party, who shall remain nameless, managed to dent his
> aluminum top loading panniers when he fell off, but managed to bash
> it back into shape with a rock. I think I fell off three times and
to crack you are fubared.
> my bags were none the worse except for a few beauty marks.
>
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 5:02:54 AM2/15/15
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On 14/02/2015 23:39, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-14 5:21 PM, ogden wrote:
>
>> I've bent my ally topbox back into shape with a bottle jack masquerading
>> as a hydraulic press. It's so dented it looks like painted bubble-wrap,
>> but it works...
>
> The bad part wasn't so much denting the case as bending the steel
> mounting frame so that the quick release mechanism would no longer
> hold the case on. My cases were screwed onto the frame with hand
> screws so weren't in danger of coming off from just a minor spill.
Which is the best way to have the panniers held on. The ones on the Peg
> On 2015-02-14 5:21 PM, ogden wrote:
>
>> I've bent my ally topbox back into shape with a bottle jack masquerading
>> as a hydraulic press. It's so dented it looks like painted bubble-wrap,
>> but it works...
>
> The bad part wasn't so much denting the case as bending the steel
> mounting frame so that the quick release mechanism would no longer
> hold the case on. My cases were screwed onto the frame with hand
> screws so weren't in danger of coming off from just a minor spill.
are bolted on, and stay that way even when smacking into GS1200s. My
luggage stays with me and is not thrown down the road.
>
> I think if I ever do such a trip again, I have learned a few things:
>
> * better to have much less weight on the back, for better handling
> in the dirt. So I'll probably leave the Rotopax at home, or If I
> need it for something like the Dalton highway, stick strictly to
> gravel roads or very easy trails.
>
> * every time I've planned to do a combination of camping and motels, I
> always end up camping only once or twice and motel-ing it the rest. But
> I still have to carry all the camping kit through the whole journey.
Central America & South America accommodation is cheap, but in
Chile/Argentina sites are good (and wild camping available) so very useful.
I like a tent as a safety item, for those times when the bike dies in
the middle of nowhere and you may be there for a while :-)
ogden
Feb 15, 2015, 5:44:41 AM2/15/15
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On 15 Feb 2015 06:44:50 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
I really try. It's a bit thirsty.
--
ogden on tour
wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless
ridden
> > like a nun.
> > KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless
ridden
> > like a nun.
> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve
(a
> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
Oh, I can get mine down to the light (16 litres) in about 80 miles if
(a
> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
I really try. It's a bit thirsty.
--
ogden on tour
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 5:56:07 AM2/15/15
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Tosspot <Frank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Moi: "I like a single room please"
> Sexy Droid: "Would you like to know the price?"
> Moi: "Do I look like I care about the fucking price!".
<Applause>
> Moi: "I like a single room please"
> Sexy Droid: "Would you like to know the price?"
> Moi: "Do I look like I care about the fucking price!".
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 5:56:07 AM2/15/15
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Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
> my H2?
I'm guessing low 20s. I managed to get my KH400 down to 30mpg two-up.
> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
> my H2?
My H1 managed high 20s/mid 30s solo, depending on throttle enthusiasm.
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 6:12:59 AM2/15/15
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c...@post.netunix.com
Feb 15, 2015, 6:56:51 AM2/15/15
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Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve (a
>> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>>
> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
> my H2?
>
> The worst I managed from the 250 KTM was about 18mpg which hurts even
> more when you add on expensive fully synthetic 2 stroke oil.
I would be surprised if the Kwak triple managed better mpg than the
>>
>> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve (a
>> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>>
> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
> my H2?
>
> The worst I managed from the 250 KTM was about 18mpg which hurts even
> more when you add on expensive fully synthetic 2 stroke oil.
Kettle which is under 20mpg for an oldfart style bimble. Fucknose
what it would do if thrashed. Strokers are thirsty beasts.
Salad Dodger
Feb 15, 2015, 7:33:09 AM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:56:05 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
>> my H2?
>
>I'm guessing low 20s. I managed to get my KH400 down to 30mpg two-up.
>My H1 managed high 20s/mid 30s solo, depending on throttle enthusiasm.
My H1/KH hybrid did 39 to empty (IOD to High Beech and back, almost),
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
>> my H2?
>
>I'm guessing low 20s. I managed to get my KH400 down to 30mpg two-up.
>My H1 managed high 20s/mid 30s solo, depending on throttle enthusiasm.
but it did have a leaky tap.
It was truly dreadful, by every objective measure, but it made me
laugh every time I rode it.
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 7:33:56 AM2/15/15
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There's something wrong with it, then.
Salad Dodger
Feb 15, 2015, 7:45:04 AM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:27:06 +0100, Tosspot <Frank...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 14/02/15 22:27, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>>
>> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
>> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
>
>970, somewhere in Germany to somewhere in Spain. Knackered didn't
London to Orthez in a day several times, often through the night.[1]
Getting too old for that now, so we split the journey in Tours.
Most tiring was down to Land's End and back, via 5 RBR landmarks[2],
mostly on single cariiageways, for 709 miles all in.
600+ miles days were not unusual on OldRedWing.
Only 3 of 400 plus on the tractor.[3]
349 is "new" RBR maximum (East Anglia.)
[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
[2] Only 43 days to go.
[2] London to Tours, and back, and London to Hagenau
wrote:
>On 14/02/15 22:27, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why Kawasaki have never tried to bring the motor to Europe
>>
>> They did. I rode one non-stop from London to St. Jean Cap Ferrat in
>> 1991, the longest (910 miles) trip I've ever done in one single day.
>
>970, somewhere in Germany to somewhere in Spain. Knackered didn't
Getting too old for that now, so we split the journey in Tours.
Most tiring was down to Land's End and back, via 5 RBR landmarks[2],
mostly on single cariiageways, for 709 miles all in.
600+ miles days were not unusual on OldRedWing.
Only 3 of 400 plus on the tractor.[3]
349 is "new" RBR maximum (East Anglia.)
[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
[2] Only 43 days to go.
[2] London to Tours, and back, and London to Hagenau
Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 8:36:33 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/15 13:44, Salad Dodger wrote:
<SNIP>
> [1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
<BOGGLE> Did the tarmac wake you up?
<SNIP>
> [1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
c...@post.netunix.com
Feb 15, 2015, 9:04:58 AM2/15/15
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The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> <c...@post.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> under 20mpg for an oldfart style bimble
>
> There's something wrong with it, then.
It is still in its first 500 miles after a total engine rebuild job
> <c...@post.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> under 20mpg for an oldfart style bimble
>
> There's something wrong with it, then.
with new bores, pistons, etc so still a bit tight. Other users
report low 20s average so not far out.
The plugs look like the mixture is about right.
Mark Olson
Feb 15, 2015, 9:06:27 AM2/15/15
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I wrote a bash script to do the sums, but it's a plain old text
file so I can access it via a terminal window and edit it in vi,
using Juice SSH on an Android device if I wish. I may move into
the 21st century and start using Google Sheets instead.
Mark Olson
Feb 15, 2015, 9:42:09 AM2/15/15
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On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget, other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget, other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
over time. But if I keep the duty cycle low enough on the temperature
controller, I can ride as long as I like (or can tolerate, given my
Champ-like nesh tendencies).
Normally, all you would need is a voltmeter to show the battery
voltage. But the problem is, the system voltage varies so much
depending on whether the temperature controller is on or not. It's
a pulse width modulation device, with a fixed cycle frequency of
1 Hz. The average power delivered is a function of the pulse width
which varies from nothing to 100% on. This makes it impossible to
gauge the state of the battery with a conventional voltmeter because
the readings jump around so quickly. The fact that the gloves and
the jacket are usually turning off at different times doesn't help.
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/gerbings-portable-dual-temp-controller
Taking readings continuously as fast as the Arduino will go (well,
under the Arduino high level language will allow, going deeper would no
doubt be faster, but it's fast enough), I fill up a circular queue and
average the readings over enough samples to give a stable reading. Of
course I can cycle through instantaneous readings or averaged, and
I can give the user a choice of averaging times only limited by the
size of the queue, but practically it doesn't matter much once you
go past about 25 readings.
It's in a breadboard configuration now, using the Arduino LCD display.
I am seriously thinking making a go of selling it as a complete item,
as even KLR owners are not immune to farkle-itis, despite their
parsimonious reputation. I may even offer a steampunk version using
TIL311 alphanumeric LED displays. :)
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 9:59:45 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 11:12, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 15/02/2015 10:44, ogden wrote:
>> On 15 Feb 2015 06:44:50 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> ogden wrote:
>>> > KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless
>> ridden
>>> > like a nun.
>>
>>> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve
>> (a
>>> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>>
>> Oh, I can get mine down to the light (16 litres) in about 80 miles if I
>> really try. It's a bit thirsty.
>>
>
> I've managed to get my XJR down to reserve in 106 miles
>
>
<edit>
> On 15/02/2015 10:44, ogden wrote:
>> On 15 Feb 2015 06:44:50 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> ogden wrote:
>>> > KTM has a 19 litre tank that'll still only do 150 miles unless
>> ridden
>>> > like a nun.
>>
>>> The Guzzi had a 23 litre tank and I could get that down to reserve
>> (a
>>> small reserve of about 3 litres) in 170 miles.
>>
>> Oh, I can get mine down to the light (16 litres) in about 80 miles if I
>> really try. It's a bit thirsty.
>>
>
> I've managed to get my XJR down to reserve in 106 miles
>
>
That is 17 litres to reserve, so about 6 miles/litre, still 28MPG (if my
maths is right).
But RVG was smiling as he was on his Bindit and still on main :-)
</e>
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 10:01:29 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>
> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
Does that explain why there is no "flash" button or hazard lights ? :-)
> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>
> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
Mark Olson
Feb 15, 2015, 10:10:57 AM2/15/15
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On 2015-02-15 9:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 15/02/2015 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
>> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>>
>> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
>> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
>> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
>> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
>> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
>
> Does that explain why there is no "flash" button or hazard lights ? :-)
No, it's just a very basic bike designed in the 80s that has remained
> On 15/02/2015 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
>> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>>
>> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
>> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
>> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
>> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
>> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
>
> Does that explain why there is no "flash" button or hazard lights ? :-)
in production with minor detail changes since then. They're best at
nothing, but can do almost everything. A true jack of all trades,
master of none.
I have cheated somewhat and replaced the H4 headlight bulb with this
one:
http://stores.advmonster.com/h4-led-headlight/
It's a definite cut above the typical ebay corn-cob style LED bulbs.
And its saving grace is the 20W consumption, saving 35W for heated
gear. It's actually quite bright, with a good beam pattern. No down
side as far as I can see (no pun intended).
Champ
Feb 15, 2015, 10:15:15 AM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:44:55 +0000, Salad Dodger
<nick.k...@idnet.com> wrote:
>[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
I've only done that once too - on the road to Bar Le Duc, across
<nick.k...@idnet.com> wrote:
>[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
northern France, after taking an overnight Dover - Calais ferry.
I *just* jerked awake before I ran off the road. Scared me shitless.
I flagged my mates and insisted we stopped for coffee asap. They were
all struggling too.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
YTC#1
Feb 15, 2015, 10:29:59 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 15:10, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-15 9:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 15/02/2015 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
>>> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>>>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>>>
>>> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
>>> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
>>> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
>>> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
>>> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
>>
>> Does that explain why there is no "flash" button or hazard lights ? :-)
>
> No, it's just a very basic bike designed in the 80s that has remained
I know, where did you miss the bit that I actually liked it ? :-)
> On 2015-02-15 9:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 15/02/2015 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
>>> On 2015-02-15 3:55 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a KLR, it won't have anything approaching an electric gadget,
>>>> other than the spark plug. Even the headlights are candles :-)
>>>
>>> Laugh, but I've whipped up a time-averaging Arduino based voltmeter
>>> for the KLR to gauge the state of the battery when I've got my Gerbing
>>> kit is hooked up. The reason for all this fiddle faddle is that the
>>> alternator on the KLR is rather weedy and it's critical not to use
>>> too much current in the heated gear or the battery will drain down
>>
>> Does that explain why there is no "flash" button or hazard lights ? :-)
>
> No, it's just a very basic bike designed in the 80s that has remained
> in production with minor detail changes since then. They're best at
> nothing, but can do almost everything. A true jack of all trades,
> master of none.
>
> I have cheated somewhat and replaced the H4 headlight bulb with this
> one:
>
> http://stores.advmonster.com/h4-led-headlight/
>
long days there was no need.
Mark Olson
Feb 15, 2015, 10:34:51 AM2/15/15
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On 2015-02-15 9:29 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
[re: KLR650}
[re: KLR650}
> I know, where did you miss the bit that I actually liked it ? :-)
Welcome to the oddball's club, where we're all a bit special.
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 10:41:01 AM2/15/15
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ago. I nodded off on the autoroute, and snapped to consciousness as the
bike went into a big wobble.
I turned off the autoroute to use the main roads where there was more
sort of sensory stimulus to keep me awake.
Never thought you could fall asleep on a motorcycle, even on a Honda,
but you can.
Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 11:01:02 AM2/15/15
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On 15/02/15 15:06, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-15 2:20 AM, Tosspot wrote:
>> On 14/02/15 20:52, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
>>>
>>> Last updated on Sat Jan 24 08:08:43 CST 2015 Fillups=61, miles =
>>> 9073.80, gals = 196.81, average MPG = 46.10
>>
>> You are kidding! Or does the voodoo electrickery record all that
>> for you?
>
> Data Driven Decision Making
>
> I wrote a bash script to do the sums, but it's a plain old text file
> so I can access it via a terminal window and edit it in vi, using
> Juice SSH on an Android device if I wish.
<swoons>
> On 2015-02-15 2:20 AM, Tosspot wrote:
>> On 14/02/15 20:52, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
>>>
>>> Last updated on Sat Jan 24 08:08:43 CST 2015 Fillups=61, miles =
>>> 9073.80, gals = 196.81, average MPG = 46.10
>>
>> You are kidding! Or does the voodoo electrickery record all that
>> for you?
>
> Data Driven Decision Making
>
> I wrote a bash script to do the sums, but it's a plain old text file
> so I can access it via a terminal window and edit it in vi, using
> Juice SSH on an Android device if I wish.
> I may move into the 21st century and start using Google Sheets
> instead.
telnet if you've forgotten to start the SSH daemon :-(
Mark Olson
Feb 15, 2015, 11:15:05 AM2/15/15
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hell and back, especially because of the special softkeys it makes
available onscreen.
With ConnectBot I had to navigate through three screens on Swiftkey
to get at some of them like the backslash and bracket keys, since
the app didn't have anything other than ESC, TAB, CTRL and a couple
of others. in its onscreen softkeys, which still took two taps to
activate vs. the Juice SSH softkeys which can be left on all the
time or toggled off for a bit more screen real estate. You really
should try it, the free version does everything I need. I've
considered upgrading just to give the developer some money because
it's so well done, even though I don't need the pro features.
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Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 1:03:45 PM2/15/15
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Andy Bonwick
Feb 15, 2015, 1:08:08 PM2/15/15
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On 15/02/2015 10:56, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
>> my H2?
>
> I'm guessing low 20s. I managed to get my KH400 down to 30mpg two-up.
> My H1 managed high 20s/mid 30s solo, depending on throttle enthusiasm.
>
I've got a new set of expansion chamber turning up on Tuesday and they
> Andy Bonwick <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Shall we stop now before I start to think about the mpg I can get out of
>> my H2?
>
> I'm guessing low 20s. I managed to get my KH400 down to 30mpg two-up.
> My H1 managed high 20s/mid 30s solo, depending on throttle enthusiasm.
>
allegedly run ok on standard airbox & jetting so it may creep into the
low 20s once I've jetted it.
I'm not really worried and I wouldn't be worried if fuel was £2/litre
because it's only there for fun and you can't put a price on fun.
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 1:08:53 PM2/15/15
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sweller <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> a Goth riding pillion, a DT100
There's a story here that needs telling.
> a Goth riding pillion, a DT100
There's a story here that needs telling.
The Older Gentleman
Feb 15, 2015, 1:31:21 PM2/15/15
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Salad Dodger
Feb 15, 2015, 1:34:59 PM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:40:58 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:44:55 +0000, Salad Dodger
>> <nick.k...@idnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
>>
>> I've only done that once too - on the road to Bar Le Duc, across
>> northern France, after taking an overnight Dover - Calais ferry.
>>
>> I *just* jerked awake before I ran off the road. Scared me shitless.
>> I flagged my mates and insisted we stopped for coffee asap. They were
>> all struggling too.
>
>Happened to me, on a non-stop run to the Bol on a Honda 125, many years
>ago. I nodded off on the autoroute, and snapped to consciousness as the
>bike went into a big wobble.
>
>I turned off the autoroute to use the main roads where there was more
>sort of sensory stimulus to keep me awake.
>
>Never thought you could fall asleep on a motorcycle, even on a Honda,
>but you can.
If a bike was made for nodding off on, it's a GL1500.
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:44:55 +0000, Salad Dodger
>> <nick.k...@idnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >[1] Only *actually* fell asleep in the saddle once, though.
>>
>> I've only done that once too - on the road to Bar Le Duc, across
>> northern France, after taking an overnight Dover - Calais ferry.
>>
>> I *just* jerked awake before I ran off the road. Scared me shitless.
>> I flagged my mates and insisted we stopped for coffee asap. They were
>> all struggling too.
>
>Happened to me, on a non-stop run to the Bol on a Honda 125, many years
>ago. I nodded off on the autoroute, and snapped to consciousness as the
>bike went into a big wobble.
>
>I turned off the autoroute to use the main roads where there was more
>sort of sensory stimulus to keep me awake.
>
>Never thought you could fall asleep on a motorcycle, even on a Honda,
>but you can.
I just had one of those "I'll just shut my eyes for a second" moment.
Almost immediately pulled in to an "Aire de ..", got off and fell
asleep at a picnic table before Linda had finished asking why we'd
stopped.
Linda's spent more time asleep on the back than she has awake, I
reckon.
Tosspot
Feb 15, 2015, 2:50:52 PM2/15/15
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On 15/02/15 17:14, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 2015-02-15 10:01 AM, Tosspot wrote:
>> On 15/02/15 15:06, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> I wrote a bash script to do the sums, but it's a plain old text file
>>> so I can access it via a terminal window and edit it in vi, using
>>> Juice SSH on an Android device if I wish.
<snip>
>> On 15/02/15 15:06, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> I wrote a bash script to do the sums, but it's a plain old text file
>>> so I can access it via a terminal window and edit it in vi, using
>>> Juice SSH on an Android device if I wish.
It's quite nice! All the functionality of Connectbot with some other
stuff. The UI is nicer, there is a tasker interface I've yet to play
with, but may be very handy, and some sharing rubbish. Also, it appears
to have an owncloud client, also might be handy.
Oh, and btw, spunk the 3 quid you pikey cunt!
Thomas
Feb 15, 2015, 3:57:22 PM2/15/15
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 07:40:58 -0800, The Older Gentleman
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Never thought you could fall asleep on a motorcycle, even on a Honda,
> but you can.
On the way home from a Reeky meet in Utah (with Mark, BTW,) on the KLR.
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Never thought you could fall asleep on a motorcycle, even on a Honda,
> but you can.
Don't know how I made it to a rest area. Fell asleep on the concrete next
to the bike.
AstroSpanner
Feb 16, 2015, 6:53:17 AM2/16/15
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In article <mbogc9$a0e$1...@dont-email.me>, b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk says...
>
> On 14/02/2015 19:52, Mark Olson wrote:
> > On 2015-02-14 1:47 PM, sweller wrote:
> >> YTC#1 wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
> >>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
> >>>>>>> a max of 170ish
> >>
> >>>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
> >>
> >>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
> >>
> >>> ding :-) (to the tank size).
> >>>
> >>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
> >>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
> >>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
> >>
> >> I guesstimated the mpg to be 52 vs 59 - not too dissimilar - but
> >> significant when you have a Harley-esque tank.
> :-)
As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
this point...
<fx: thread swerve>
Anyone interested in beta-testing?
[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
>
> On 14/02/2015 19:52, Mark Olson wrote:
> > On 2015-02-14 1:47 PM, sweller wrote:
> >> YTC#1 wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> On the plus side it did a far better fuel consumption with a
> >>>>>>> tank range approaching 300 miles, as compared to my Peg with
> >>>>>>> a max of 170ish
> >>
> >>>>> 15 litre on the Aprilia and 23 on the KLR
> >>
> >>>> The mpg is similar - the Pegaso's tank size is stupidly small.
> >>
> >>> ding :-) (to the tank size).
> >>>
> >>> Bit not similar MPG. I was being gracious with the Peg. I hit reserve
> >>> around 12 litres at 125-140, so lets say 11.5 miles/litre. If the KLR
> >>> can really do 300 miles to 23 litres then thyat is 13 miles/litre.
> >>
> >> I guesstimated the mpg to be 52 vs 59 - not too dissimilar - but
> >> significant when you have a Harley-esque tank.
> >
> > From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
>
> You sad sad bastard
> > From my klr650a6f.txt log file:
>
> :-)
As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
this point...
<fx: thread swerve>
Anyone interested in beta-testing?
[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
Simon Wilson
Feb 16, 2015, 8:53:25 AM2/16/15
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On 16/02/2015 11:53, AstroSpanner wrote:
>
> As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> this point...
>
> <fx: thread swerve>
>
> Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
<waves>
>
> As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> this point...
>
> <fx: thread swerve>
>
> Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
--
/Simon
Champ
Feb 16, 2015, 9:11:12 AM2/16/15
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:53:30 -0000, AstroSpanner
<willgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
>consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
>this point...
>
><fx: thread swerve>
>
>Anyone interested in beta-testing?
Yeah, I'll be a beta tester
<willgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
>consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
>this point...
>
><fx: thread swerve>
>
>Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
android app, to prove to myself I could do it, I then had a major
enthusiasm loss.
Mark Olson
Feb 16, 2015, 9:21:10 AM2/16/15
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I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
Mark Olson
Feb 16, 2015, 9:30:23 AM2/16/15
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On 2015-02-16 5:53 AM, AstroSpanner wrote:
> As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> this point...
>
> <fx: thread swerve>
>
> Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
> [1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
Emailed.
> As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> this point...
>
> <fx: thread swerve>
>
> Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
> [1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
AstroSpanner
Feb 16, 2015, 10:01:46 AM2/16/15
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In article <ckeb2j...@mid.individual.net>,
siwi...@nodamnspamnhotmail.com says...
Well, that was three more responses than I expected to get.
Thanks!
<emailed>
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
siwi...@nodamnspamnhotmail.com says...
Thanks!
<emailed>
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
Champ
Feb 16, 2015, 10:17:29 AM2/16/15
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:21:04 -0600, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
wrote:
>I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
Surely that depends on how fast you're going?
wrote:
>I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
Mark Olson
Feb 16, 2015, 10:31:56 AM2/16/15
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On 2015-02-16 9:17 AM, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:21:04 -0600, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>> many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
>
> Surely that depends on how fast you're going?
I guarantee there's a stretch or two like that, where you could
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:21:04 -0600, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>> many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
>
> Surely that depends on how fast you're going?
drain the tank of anything short of a Paris-Dakar GS at the bike's
top speed without the scenery changing much.
Except for the likely appearance of Smokey with his lights aflash.
Champ
Feb 16, 2015, 11:46:27 AM2/16/15
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:31:51 -0600, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
I believe the longest stretch of straight road in the world is on the
Nullabor Plain, in Western Australia.
wrote:
>>> I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>>> many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
>> Surely that depends on how fast you're going?
>I guarantee there's a stretch or two like that, where you could
>drain the tank of anything short of a Paris-Dakar GS at the bike's
>top speed without the scenery changing much.
>
>Except for the likely appearance of Smokey with his lights aflash.
Yeah, I know that - I was jus' messin wichya :-)
>>> I've nodded off or come close a few times. The American West has
>>> many places where the scenery doesn't change for hours on end.
>> Surely that depends on how fast you're going?
>I guarantee there's a stretch or two like that, where you could
>drain the tank of anything short of a Paris-Dakar GS at the bike's
>top speed without the scenery changing much.
>
>Except for the likely appearance of Smokey with his lights aflash.
I believe the longest stretch of straight road in the world is on the
Nullabor Plain, in Western Australia.
Thomas
Feb 16, 2015, 12:33:02 PM2/16/15
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:46:24 -0800, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> I believe the longest stretch of straight road in the world is on the
> Nullabor Plain, in Western Australia.
BTDT. It's a bit disturbing, counting all the dead 'Roos by the side of
>
> I believe the longest stretch of straight road in the world is on the
> Nullabor Plain, in Western Australia.
the road. And the empty beer cans. But there are far too many of those to
count.
Scraggy
Feb 19, 2015, 6:37:03 AM2/19/15
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>As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
>consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
>this point...
>
><fx: thread swerve>
>
>Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
>[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
<raises hand>
>consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
>this point...
>
><fx: thread swerve>
>
>Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
>[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
--
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AstroSpanner
Feb 20, 2015, 4:29:41 AM2/20/15
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In article <flibeadoc77fsunek...@4ax.com>,
scr...@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be says...
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
scr...@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be says...
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:53:30 -0000, AstroSpanner
> <willgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> >consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> >this point...
> >
> ><fx: thread swerve>
> >
> >Anyone interested in beta-testing?
> >
> >[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
>
>
> <raises hand>
Cool. Can you drop me an email?
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:53:30 -0000, AstroSpanner
> <willgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >As I'm just putting a bit of polish on my android app for recording fuel
> >consumption across multiple vehicles[1], I can't really throw stones at
> >this point...
> >
> ><fx: thread swerve>
> >
> >Anyone interested in beta-testing?
> >
> >[1] Thanks to sweller for the inspiration for this.
>
>
> <raises hand>
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
AstroSpanner
Feb 20, 2015, 4:30:10 AM2/20/15
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In article <cko19m...@mid.individual.net>,
swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> AstroSpanner wrote:
>
> > Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
> Of course.
<adds name to list>
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> AstroSpanner wrote:
>
> > Anyone interested in beta-testing?
>
> Of course.
<adds name to list>
--
Will
ZRX1200
XJ600S
Champ
Feb 20, 2015, 6:26:34 AM2/20/15
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On 20 Feb 2015 07:12:35 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> > a Goth riding pillion, a DT100
>> There's a story here that needs telling.
>It's quite a simple story - I was at a party, in Norfolk, in 1985 (I
>think it could have been about 1965 where we were) and The Girl, whose
>name escapes me, knew of another - better - party and convinced me to
>give her a lift.
>
>So we set sail on my DT100 [1] with the wind in her backcombed hair.
>
>It was quite early (as in, it was getting light) - she didn't seem as
>shocked as I was when we mounted the verge after I had nodded off.
>
>Anyway, I was soon distracted by things other than Norfolk near death
>experiences - whilst I can't remember her name I do recollect she smelt
>of patchouli and two stroke oil.
>
>
>[1] http://www.sweller.dynalias.org/images/YamahaDT100.jpg
<applause>
wrote:
>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> > a Goth riding pillion, a DT100
>> There's a story here that needs telling.
>think it could have been about 1965 where we were) and The Girl, whose
>name escapes me, knew of another - better - party and convinced me to
>give her a lift.
>
>So we set sail on my DT100 [1] with the wind in her backcombed hair.
>
>It was quite early (as in, it was getting light) - she didn't seem as
>shocked as I was when we mounted the verge after I had nodded off.
>
>Anyway, I was soon distracted by things other than Norfolk near death
>experiences - whilst I can't remember her name I do recollect she smelt
>of patchouli and two stroke oil.
>
>
>[1] http://www.sweller.dynalias.org/images/YamahaDT100.jpg
<applause>
The Older Gentleman
Feb 20, 2015, 1:29:01 PM2/20/15
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sweller <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I do recollect she smelt
> of patchouli and two stroke oil.
Sounds like the ideal girl for Lozzo.
> I do recollect she smelt
> of patchouli and two stroke oil.
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