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Turby
Dec 21, 2023, 12:27:13 AM12/21/23
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My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
so, why?
--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)
number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
so, why?
--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)
Mark Olson
Dec 21, 2023, 4:28:57 AM12/21/23
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Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
I don't have any answers about the new bike availability situation,
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
but I'm slightly embarassed to admit that you've done more miles on a
2013 FJR than I've done on my 2007...
What bike(s) are you looking at to replace the FJR?
--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao
wessie
Dec 21, 2023, 4:40:33 AM12/21/23
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Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um0ibd$v5a5$1...@dont-email.me:
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
>
>
largely driven by a shortage of electronics due to Covid affecting
production. Same with cars, phones, toasters. Lead times should not be
as long as 18 months now but yes, I have heard similar for vehicles
ordered in 2020/21.
I've been hearing in a few forums that US dealer stock is low for some
months. The consensus is that they are not committing to stock due to
anxiety about inflation worsening what seems to be a shrinking market.
Add in the trend that the European makers like to offer lots of options
so many buyers order a bike yet to be built. This suits the likes of BMW
& Ducati as they rarely sell a base spec bike and, with limited
inventory, they only build a bike after a deposit has been paid. In the
UK, order one of the new R1300GS to be built to your spec and you might
get it in April or May.
BMW in the UK has just launched a new bike locator. They had one for
used bikes for some time. It looks quite handy, assuming it is up to
date.
Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
BMW have shipped a decent batch into the UK after the recent launch and
they do not seem to be shifting. That stock tool shows 168 languishing
in dealers. It seems to be a bit of a Marmite bike, with many GS riders
thinking it has gone too far down the sport touring route, which you
might like.
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
>
>
production. Same with cars, phones, toasters. Lead times should not be
as long as 18 months now but yes, I have heard similar for vehicles
ordered in 2020/21.
I've been hearing in a few forums that US dealer stock is low for some
months. The consensus is that they are not committing to stock due to
anxiety about inflation worsening what seems to be a shrinking market.
Add in the trend that the European makers like to offer lots of options
so many buyers order a bike yet to be built. This suits the likes of BMW
& Ducati as they rarely sell a base spec bike and, with limited
inventory, they only build a bike after a deposit has been paid. In the
UK, order one of the new R1300GS to be built to your spec and you might
get it in April or May.
BMW in the UK has just launched a new bike locator. They had one for
used bikes for some time. It looks quite handy, assuming it is up to
date.
Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
BMW have shipped a decent batch into the UK after the recent launch and
they do not seem to be shifting. That stock tool shows 168 languishing
in dealers. It seems to be a bit of a Marmite bike, with many GS riders
thinking it has gone too far down the sport touring route, which you
might like.
Paul Carmichael
Dec 21, 2023, 5:39:40 AM12/21/23
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El Wed, 20 Dec 2023 21:27:09 -0800, Turby escribió:
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
Blimey. Glad I can't afford a new bike.
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es
YTC#1
Dec 21, 2023, 9:46:30 AM12/21/23
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On 21/12/2023 09:40, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um0ibd$v5a5$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
>> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
>> so, why?
>>
>>
>
> largely driven by a shortage of electronics due to Covid affecting
><snip>
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um0ibd$v5a5$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
>> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
>> so, why?
>>
>>
>
> largely driven by a shortage of electronics due to Covid affecting
some time. It looks quite handy, assuming it is up to
> date.
>
> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
>
>
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wessie
Dec 21, 2023, 10:51:49 AM12/21/23
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YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>
>>
the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the chain
drive and b) it is available over there
Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not have
the same emissions rules that killed those bikes in Europe.
and, Yamaha has a stock locator on their US website...
> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>
>>
drive and b) it is available over there
Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not have
the same emissions rules that killed those bikes in Europe.
and, Yamaha has a stock locator on their US website...
YTC#1
Dec 21, 2023, 11:25:36 AM12/21/23
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On 21/12/2023 15:51, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>
>>>
>
> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the chain
> drive and b) it is available over there
>
> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not have
It was the Super T I was thinking of.
> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>
>>>
>
> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the chain
> drive and b) it is available over there
>
> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not have
> the same emissions rules that killed those bikes in Europe. >
> and, Yamaha has a stock locator on their US website...
>
wessie
Dec 21, 2023, 12:18:10 PM12/21/23
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YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1ott$14sj6$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 21/12/2023 15:51, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the
>> chain drive and b) it is available over there
>>
>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>> have
>
> It was the Super T I was thinking of.
>
I had one, an early version made in 2010. Zot knows the bike as we rode
together in Wales when he stayed with me on one of his trips.
Looks like they have updated the bike with some tech from the FJR like
electronic suspension & cruise control, but the motor is still the same
unit making a weedy 108bhp
The new Tracer has more power and weighs a lot less.
> On 21/12/2023 15:51, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the
>> chain drive and b) it is available over there
>>
>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>> have
>
> It was the Super T I was thinking of.
>
together in Wales when he stayed with me on one of his trips.
Looks like they have updated the bike with some tech from the FJR like
electronic suspension & cruise control, but the motor is still the same
unit making a weedy 108bhp
The new Tracer has more power and weighs a lot less.
Turby
Dec 21, 2023, 3:45:47 PM12/21/23
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I really like the FJR. It's comfy, powerful enough, handles well, and
has plenty of storage capacity. The one downside is the lack of
durability with so much plastic.
The Kawasaki sport-tourer was much wider and that impacted the ability
to filter, which I do every day on my way to the cafe.
The BMW GS I now own isn't nearly as comfy as the one I owned in Europe.
It's really a pain in the arse. (And it doesn't run.)
I'd really like to get an electric bike, but I don't think there are any
now with proper luggage or touring range. Some day, hopefully.
YTC#1
Dec 22, 2023, 6:32:02 AM12/22/23
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On 21/12/2023 17:18, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1ott$14sj6$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 21/12/2023 15:51, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the
>>> chain drive and b) it is available over there
>>>
>>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>>> have
>>
>> It was the Super T I was thinking of.
>>
>
> I had one, an early version made in 2010. Zot knows the bike as we rode
> together in Wales when he stayed with me on one of his trips.
>
> Looks like they have updated the bike with some tech from the FJR like
> electronic suspension & cruise control, but the motor is still the same
> unit making a weedy 108bhp
I am getting old, that is enough power for me :-)
> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1ott$14sj6$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 21/12/2023 15:51, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the
>>> chain drive and b) it is available over there
>>>
>>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>>> have
>>
>> It was the Super T I was thinking of.
>>
>
> I had one, an early version made in 2010. Zot knows the bike as we rode
> together in Wales when he stayed with me on one of his trips.
>
> Looks like they have updated the bike with some tech from the FJR like
> electronic suspension & cruise control, but the motor is still the same
> unit making a weedy 108bhp
>
> The new Tracer has more power and weighs a lot less.
YTC#1
Dec 22, 2023, 6:33:35 AM12/22/23
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On 21/12/2023 20:45, Turby wrote:
> On 12/21/2023 7:51 AM, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the chain
>> drive and b) it is available over there
>>
>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>> have
>> the same emissions rules that killed those bikes in Europe.
>>
>> and, Yamaha has a stock locator on their US website...
>>
> I'm open, but...
> I really like the FJR. It's comfy, powerful enough, handles well, and
> has plenty of storage capacity. The one downside is the lack of
> durability with so much plastic.
>
> The Kawasaki sport-tourer was much wider and that impacted the ability
> to filter, which I do every day on my way to the cafe.
The Peg is good for that.
> On 12/21/2023 7:51 AM, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <yt...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:um1j43$13u0d$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> Maybe he wants another Yam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> the new Tracer GT+ would be up his street if a) he can tolerate the chain
>> drive and b) it is available over there
>>
>> Seems the US still gets the FJR and Super Tenere. I guess they do not
>> have
>> the same emissions rules that killed those bikes in Europe.
>>
>> and, Yamaha has a stock locator on their US website...
>>
> I'm open, but...
> I really like the FJR. It's comfy, powerful enough, handles well, and
> has plenty of storage capacity. The one downside is the lack of
> durability with so much plastic.
>
> The Kawasaki sport-tourer was much wider and that impacted the ability
> to filter, which I do every day on my way to the cafe.
(Actually the XJR is better for filtering though)
> The BMW GS I now own isn't nearly as comfy as the one I owned in Europe.
> It's really a pain in the arse. (And it doesn't run.)
>
> I'd really like to get an electric bike, but I don't think there are any
> now with proper luggage or touring range. Some day, hopefully.
Mike Fleming
Dec 23, 2023, 8:45:56 AM12/23/23
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On 21/12/2023 09:40, wessie wrote:
> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
> Moto Guzzi!
Or a Triumph Rocket III or Tiger 1200.
> Moto Guzzi!
wessie
Dec 23, 2023, 10:20:03 AM12/23/23
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Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:kuo6khFe1gdU5
@mid.individual.net:
too heavy and basically a POS
> or Tiger 1200.
I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
@mid.individual.net:
> or Tiger 1200.
I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
Turby
Dec 23, 2023, 3:07:40 PM12/23/23
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On 12/21/2023 1:40 AM, wessie wrote:
>
>
> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
I'm not fond of the local BMW dealer, but I just started looking. There
>
>
> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
are a bunch of dealers around. Hopefully, there are dealers without the
supply problem. I'm open to different brands, but I want a bike that is
comfy over long distances, reliable, and has juice. (I could also add a
smaller commuter bike, but it would need room to carry groceries.)
wessie
Dec 23, 2023, 4:14:07 PM12/23/23
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Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um7em9$26qhe$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 12/21/2023 1:40 AM, wessie wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
>> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
>
> I'm not fond of the local BMW dealer, but I just started looking. There
> are a bunch of dealers around. Hopefully, there are dealers without the
> supply problem. I'm open to different brands, but I want a bike that is
> comfy over long distances, reliable, and has juice. (I could also add a
> smaller commuter bike, but it would need room to carry groceries.)
>
>
go try a Yamaha Tracer. You might find it is the UJM you are looking for
that will be okay for errands and longer trips.
I was riding a red one when we rode with Johan from Blois to La Bourboule.
That was 2016 IIRC. Johan had a blue one. I think that ride qualified as
having juice based on the smile you had when we arrived at Hotel
L'Aviation.
Our Tracers were early versions and it has been improved with better
suspension and electronics since then. The GT & GT+ versions come with
panniers as standard.
> On 12/21/2023 1:40 AM, wessie wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
>> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
>
> I'm not fond of the local BMW dealer, but I just started looking. There
> are a bunch of dealers around. Hopefully, there are dealers without the
> supply problem. I'm open to different brands, but I want a bike that is
> comfy over long distances, reliable, and has juice. (I could also add a
> smaller commuter bike, but it would need room to carry groceries.)
>
>
that will be okay for errands and longer trips.
I was riding a red one when we rode with Johan from Blois to La Bourboule.
That was 2016 IIRC. Johan had a blue one. I think that ride qualified as
having juice based on the smile you had when we arrived at Hotel
L'Aviation.
Our Tracers were early versions and it has been improved with better
suspension and electronics since then. The GT & GT+ versions come with
panniers as standard.
Turby
Dec 23, 2023, 6:16:11 PM12/23/23
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On 12/23/2023 1:14 PM, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um7em9$26qhe$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 12/21/2023 1:40 AM, wessie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
>>> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
>>
>> I'm not fond of the local BMW dealer, but I just started looking. There
>> are a bunch of dealers around. Hopefully, there are dealers without the
>> supply problem. I'm open to different brands, but I want a bike that is
>> comfy over long distances, reliable, and has juice. (I could also add a
>> smaller commuter bike, but it would need room to carry groceries.)
>>
>>
>
> go try a Yamaha Tracer.
Will do.
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:um7em9$26qhe$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 12/21/2023 1:40 AM, wessie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, you like shaft drive so you should just be looking at BMW or
>>> Moto Guzzi! Go look to see if you have any of the new R1300GS locally.
>>
>> I'm not fond of the local BMW dealer, but I just started looking. There
>> are a bunch of dealers around. Hopefully, there are dealers without the
>> supply problem. I'm open to different brands, but I want a bike that is
>> comfy over long distances, reliable, and has juice. (I could also add a
>> smaller commuter bike, but it would need room to carry groceries.)
>>
>>
>
> go try a Yamaha Tracer.
You might find it is the UJM you are looking for
> that will be okay for errands and longer trips.
>
> I was riding a red one when we rode with Johan from Blois to La Bourboule.
> That was 2016 IIRC. Johan had a blue one. I think that ride qualified as
> having juice based on the smile you had when we arrived at Hotel
> L'Aviation.
>
> Our Tracers were early versions and it has been improved with better
> suspension and electronics since then. The GT & GT+ versions come with
> panniers as standard.
Alan Lee
Dec 24, 2023, 11:39:28 AM12/24/23
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On 23/12/2023 15:20, wessie wrote:
>> or Tiger 1200.
> I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
My mate has just upgraded from a 2016 Tiger 1200 to the 2023 1200
>> or Tiger 1200.
> I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
Explorer. He says its a big improvement, lighter, better acceleration etc.
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wessie
Dec 24, 2023, 12:51:04 PM12/24/23
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Alan Lee <al...@darkroom.plus.com> wrote in
news:um9mrt$2kpkk$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 23/12/2023 15:20, wessie wrote:
>>> or Tiger 1200.
>> I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
>
>
> My mate has just upgraded from a 2016 Tiger 1200 to the 2023 1200
> Explorer. He says its a big improvement, lighter, better acceleration
> etc.
it's odd, the MCN review says it is 25 kg lighter but their stats say the
old one was 248kg and the new one is 240kg (same figure on the maker's
website)
Looking st the pictures, the engine is still very high. It was the weight
distribution I found problematic, and the amount of hot air belched out
when I was in France in summer. When the fan came on, the hot air hit your
chest. Has this been addressed?
Then there is the matter that Zot is in the US where Triumph dealers are
quite scarce compared to Yamaha (170 compared to 875[1])
[1] https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Yamaha%20Motorcycles-USA/
https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Triumph%20Motorcycles-USA/
news:um9mrt$2kpkk$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 23/12/2023 15:20, wessie wrote:
>>> or Tiger 1200.
>> I had an Explorer. Not recommended even in newer Tiger trim.
>
>
> My mate has just upgraded from a 2016 Tiger 1200 to the 2023 1200
> Explorer. He says its a big improvement, lighter, better acceleration
> etc.
old one was 248kg and the new one is 240kg (same figure on the maker's
website)
Looking st the pictures, the engine is still very high. It was the weight
distribution I found problematic, and the amount of hot air belched out
when I was in France in summer. When the fan came on, the hot air hit your
chest. Has this been addressed?
Then there is the matter that Zot is in the US where Triumph dealers are
quite scarce compared to Yamaha (170 compared to 875[1])
[1] https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Yamaha%20Motorcycles-USA/
https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Triumph%20Motorcycles-USA/
Tim
Dec 24, 2023, 1:10:29 PM12/24/23
to
the wrong medication.
Ace
Dec 25, 2023, 6:02:47 AM12/25/23
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Rocket_3#/media/File:Black_Triumph_Rocket_3_R.jpg
As opposed to the previous:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Rocket_III#/media/File:Rocket_3b.JPG
Well I know which one I prefer, and it ain't the old one/
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Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
Simon Wilson
Jan 9, 2024, 2:46:17 PMJan 9
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On 21/12/2023 05:27, Turby wrote:
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
>
>
I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps losing
> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has a
> number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
> so, why?
>
>
my settings grrrr.
How about one of these:
https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
They are a little bit spendy.
--
/Simon
YTC#1
Jan 9, 2024, 3:24:18 PMJan 9
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On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
> On 21/12/2023 05:27, Turby wrote:
>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
>> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
>> so, why?
>>
>>
>
> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps losing
> my settings grrrr.
>
What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
> On 21/12/2023 05:27, Turby wrote:
>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF? They
>> claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be true? If
>> so, why?
>>
>>
>
> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps losing
> my settings grrrr.
>
Turby
Jan 9, 2024, 7:33:57 PMJan 9
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On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>
> How about one of these:
> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>
That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>
> How about one of these:
> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>
wessie
Jan 9, 2024, 7:41:06 PMJan 9
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Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:unkoli$26ueb$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>
>
did the same for me
shorten it to https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk then click 2 stroke
even if you liked it and had £30,000 to spare, I guess your state has
banned such things!
> On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>
>
shorten it to https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk then click 2 stroke
even if you liked it and had £30,000 to spare, I guess your state has
banned such things!
Mike Fleming
Jan 9, 2024, 8:08:28 PMJan 9
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On 10/01/2024 00:41, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:unkoli$26ueb$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> How about one of these:
>>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>>
>> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>>
>>
>
> did the same for me
>
> shorten it to https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk then click 2 stroke
They could do with somebody who can create functioning websites. If you
> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:unkoli$26ueb$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> How about one of these:
>>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>>
>> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>>
>>
>
> did the same for me
>
> shorten it to https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk then click 2 stroke
go into the two stroke page and then try to select the other model from
the top menu, it doesn't work, and nor do any of the other links in the
top menu. If their bikes are as reliable as their website, there's not
much hope for them.
Andy Burns
Jan 10, 2024, 5:23:16 AMJan 10
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Turby wrote:
> Simon Wilson wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
It's not so much a webpage, as a javascript that tries (and fails on
> Simon Wilson wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
> That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
firefox) to load a webpage.
geoffC
Jan 10, 2024, 12:24:08 PMJan 10
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HereOn 10/01/2024 01:33, Turby wrote:
>On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
>That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>
Here also
>On 1/9/2024 11:46 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>
>> How about one of these:
>> https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke
>>
>That web page just appears blank, no matter what I do.
>
https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/two-stroke
Seems to work though.
--
Geoff
NTV 650
Simon Wilson
Jan 10, 2024, 12:55:31 PMJan 10
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On 09/01/2024 20:24, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>> On 21/12/2023 05:27, Turby wrote:
>>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF?
>>> They claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be
>>> true? If so, why?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>
> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>
>
I often have to power off/on my laptop, it just freezes. Something to do
> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>> On 21/12/2023 05:27, Turby wrote:
>>> My 2013 FJR is getting on, with almost 100k miles in 10 years. It has
>>> a number of issues and I'm ready for a new bike. So I went to a local
>>> dealer today, who who deals in Yamahas, Kawasakis, KTMs and Ducatis.
>>> They have very few new models in stock, and they said that they can
>>> order them, but delivery is by chance and a long way off. They said a
>>> recent buyer had to wait 18 months to get his prepaid order. WTF?
>>> They claimed the problem is industry wide. Seriously, can that be
>>> true? If so, why?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>
> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>
>
with going to sleep and the ssd I think. I don't think Thunderbird likes it.
--
/Simon
YTC#1
Jan 10, 2024, 5:21:08 PMJan 10
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Eddie
Jan 11, 2024, 8:32:17 AMJan 11
to
On 10/01/2024 17:55, Simon Wilson wrote:
just close the lid and who knows what it does, Thunderbird doesn't
complain about any of it.
--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org
YTC#1
Jan 11, 2024, 8:38:26 AMJan 11
to
Filesystem issue?
Simon Wilson
Jan 11, 2024, 10:47:28 AMJan 11
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On 11/01/2024 13:38, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 11/01/2024 13:32, Eddie wrote:
>> On 10/01/2024 17:55, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>> On 09/01/2024 20:24, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>>>>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>>>>
>>>> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I often have to power off/on my laptop, it just freezes. Something to
>>> do with going to sleep and the ssd I think. I don't think Thunderbird
>>> likes it.
>>
>> Never have that problem with my Mac. Sleep, shutdown and restart, or
>> just close the lid and who knows what it does, Thunderbird doesn't
>> complain about any of it.
>>
> Ditto.
> Filesystem issue?
>
I think it's an SSD driver or firmware problem. Intel sold the business
> On 11/01/2024 13:32, Eddie wrote:
>> On 10/01/2024 17:55, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>> On 09/01/2024 20:24, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>>>>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>>>>
>>>> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I often have to power off/on my laptop, it just freezes. Something to
>>> do with going to sleep and the ssd I think. I don't think Thunderbird
>>> likes it.
>>
>> Never have that problem with my Mac. Sleep, shutdown and restart, or
>> just close the lid and who knows what it does, Thunderbird doesn't
>> complain about any of it.
>>
> Ditto.
> Filesystem issue?
>
I think so they won't care.
I should really replace the ssd anyway as it's getting on and also
filling up.
This post has prompted me to turn off sleep mode.
--
/Simon
YTC#1
Jan 11, 2024, 5:10:09 PMJan 11
to
Simon Wilson
Jan 29, 2024, 2:09:41 PMJan 29
to
On 11/01/2024 22:10, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 11/01/2024 15:47, Simon Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/01/2024 13:38, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2024 13:32, Eddie wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2024 17:55, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 09/01/2024 20:24, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>>>>>>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I often have to power off/on my laptop, it just freezes. Something
>>>>> to do with going to sleep and the ssd I think. I don't think
>>>>> Thunderbird likes it.
>>>>
>>>> Never have that problem with my Mac. Sleep, shutdown and restart, or
>>>> just close the lid and who knows what it does, Thunderbird doesn't
>>>> complain about any of it.
>>>>
>>> Ditto.
>>> Filesystem issue?
>>>
>>
>> I think it's an SSD driver or firmware problem. Intel sold the
>> business I think so they won't care.
>>
>> I should really replace the ssd anyway as it's getting on and also
>> filling up.
>>
>> This post has prompted me to turn off sleep mode.
>>
>
> Glad to be of service
>
Long overdue but I upgraded the SSD to a 2x bigger one this weekend. It
> On 11/01/2024 15:47, Simon Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/01/2024 13:38, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2024 13:32, Eddie wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2024 17:55, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 09/01/2024 20:24, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/01/2024 19:46, Simon Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finally got around to re-configuring Thundebird. It still keeps
>>>>>>> losing my settings grrrr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you doing differently to everyone else who don't lose them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I often have to power off/on my laptop, it just freezes. Something
>>>>> to do with going to sleep and the ssd I think. I don't think
>>>>> Thunderbird likes it.
>>>>
>>>> Never have that problem with my Mac. Sleep, shutdown and restart, or
>>>> just close the lid and who knows what it does, Thunderbird doesn't
>>>> complain about any of it.
>>>>
>>> Ditto.
>>> Filesystem issue?
>>>
>>
>> I think it's an SSD driver or firmware problem. Intel sold the
>> business I think so they won't care.
>>
>> I should really replace the ssd anyway as it's getting on and also
>> filling up.
>>
>> This post has prompted me to turn off sleep mode.
>>
>
> Glad to be of service
>
only took most of both days to image the old one and restore to the new.
A mild panic when it wouldn't boot as it didn't have the correct nvme
driver. Somehow (a mystery how) after about 15 boot attempts, Win 11
fixed itself and installed the needed driver.
I've turned sleep back on the laptop and so far it's behaving itself.
--
/Simon
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