OT: best martial art
Stonge
Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
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serf
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> etc)?
I understand that kicking in WV panels is particularly good for the
adrenal system.
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>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general
> fitness, etc)?
Karate. So long as you're serious about it.
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SP
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> etc)?
Depends what you want really. Full on contact sport or not? There is
a wide choice available; various disciplines of Karate ranging from
Kata style to full-contact, Ju-Jitsu, Judo, kick-boxing, Aikido (once
explained to me as 'a ballet version of Judo', but don't underestimate
the discipline involved), Tae-Kwon-do, and gawd knows how many
different new 'versions' of martial arts out there.
During my time training at Judo there was a guy in his 50's who decided
to take it up because he had had a heart attack and an-aerobic exercise
was recommended to him (which is what Judo is, exercise wise). He
achieved his black belt and it did him the world of good.
I think it's more likely a case of trying the different arts and
finding one that suits you and that you enjoy, if you don't enjoy it
then it's pointless doing it.
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Stonge
Great answer...
>> Depends what you want really.
Largely to get fitter than I am [1].
[1] not very
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steve auvache
>"SP" wrote:
>
>Great answer...
>
>>> Depends what you want really.
>
>Largely to get fitter than I am [1].
Tai Chi.
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Stonge
> Tai Chi.
I always thought Tai Chi was lots of slow arm waving?
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Nigel Eaton
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>"steve auvache" wrote:
>
>> Tai Chi.
>
>I always thought Tai Chi was lots of slow arm waving?
>
Well yes. But there's more to it than that.
For example, you *must* go and stand in the middle of a space where
*loads* of people can see you waving your arms slowly.
This is Very Important.
Nobody knows why, but it is.
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steve auvache
>"steve auvache" wrote:
>
>> Tai Chi.
>
>I always thought Tai Chi was lots of slow arm waving?
That is the general fitness and mental control side. Do it faster and
it becomes a martial arts dance.
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platypus
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> etc)?
You could try Krav Maga, which seems to be a bit trendy atm.
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Catman
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
If you only want to get fit, go to a gym :)
If you want to learn an art as well, then the best course is probably to
visit a few local schools to see what styles and teachers suit what you are
looking for.
For brute effectiveness, I have never found an art to match Wing Chun Kung
Fu (and I've met many practicioners of other arts) and I'd happily take you
along to a class in Chelmsford if you wish.
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>Hi,
>
>Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
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Porl
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> Stonge wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
etc)?
> >
> If you only want to get fit, go to a gym :)
>
> If you want to learn an art as well, then the best course is probably to
> visit a few local schools to see what styles and teachers suit what you
are
> looking for.
>
> For brute effectiveness, I have never found an art to match Wing Chun Kung
> Fu (and I've met many practicioners of other arts)
Meeting them and fighting them is a bit different though isn't it?
Champ
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>Stonge wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>>
>If you only want to get fit, go to a gym :)
Swot I was thinking.
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Stonge
>> I'd happily take you along to a class in Chelmsford....
Thanks for the offer, but you're about 4.3 light years away [1].
[1] from Stoke-on-Trent
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Soylent Green
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
Llap Goch.
Soy.
Doctor Death
a fair bit of lard doing that.
I also used to do Judo (gave it up due to work patterns), and believe me,
it's one of the most effective things to keep you fit there is. Strength,
speed, balance, coordination are all required, and to fight a match, you
need to develop cardio-vascular fitness too.
It's fun too. I recommend it.
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Rexx
> Stonge wrote
>>"SP" wrote:
>>
>>Great answer...
>>
>>>> Depends what you want really.
>>
>>Largely to get fitter than I am [1].
>
> Tai Chi.
>
>
>
>
Seconded.
I did karate for the best part of a year, but because my knees are going
to be susceptible to arthritis and all kinds of shite (due to the fact
that my Dad's knees can bend backwards, eww!)
Doing some of the karate stances really hurts my knees, so I started doing
Tai Chi. Whilst I was doing Tai Chi, I also tried Kung Fu (some shaolin
animal style) but had the same problem with my knees, so I ended up
dropping karate & kung fu in preference for Tai Chi. I did want to do
something that had a more spiritual element to it, but the problem is,
people often confuse discipline with spiritual/energy elements.
I do "Tai Chi for Arthritis" which is a sort of custom-made form to help
with joint problems, but it's based on the Sun form (there are four main
styles of Tai Chi - Yang, Chen, Wu/Hao & Sun, but there are many other
substyles).
You'd think that it wouldn't be very good exercise, but after doing it for
an hour, you can be totally knackered - other days, it just flows and you
feel energised.
It had made my knees a bit sore (due to bending and straightening my knees
too much) but changed my stance slightly after watching a dvd of the Sun
competition 73 form, which actually had a lower stance. Didn't half make
a difference!
That's the trouble, instructors can't tell you when you feel as though
you're in the right position, especially if it doesn't look that different
from the positions you're shown. :-S
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Stonge <stong...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
I'm doing karate, but my impression is that most martial arts
help you get fit; BUT you still need to put in time running,
stretching etc.
If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
Stonge
> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
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Rexx
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> etc)?
>
Going with most others here, it depends what you want it for. Most of the
external styles will help keep you fit, but you'll still need to put a lot
of effort into stretching and warmups. They're no good if you have joint
problems though.
Karate styles usually have a fairly rigid set of motions, blocks usually
being linear, meeting force with force. Kung Fu styles tend to be more
circular, often guiding blows away rather than 'hitting' them. Of course,
there are exceptions to the above in various different styles.
Tai Chi/Taiji/Tai Chi Chuan/Taijiquan - all mean the same thing when
referring to the martial art, don't let anyone tell you otherwise - tai
chi chuan (supreme ultimate fist/boxing) is not a different 'style' from
tai chi (which simply means supreme ultimate, and shouldn't be used to
refer to the martial art/exercise). There are numerous different styles,
almost all of them are good for joint problems, though some (Yang and
Chen) have fairly low stances so aren't good for bad knees/backs unless
you're careful. A lot of attention is paid to breathing, and this coupled
with correct posture is really good for blood-flow. It's often described
as meditation in motion, and it's pretty good for stress relief. There's a
bit about it on my website, along with a short video that I made (which
really needs to be changed because some bits are slightly wrong, but I
need decent weather and time to do it!)
Rexx
Well, just eat less! :)
Porl
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> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:57:29 GMT, Stonge scrawled:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> > etc)?
> >
>
> Going with most others here, it depends what you want it for. Most of the
> external styles will help keep you fit, but you'll still need to put a lot
> of effort into stretching and warmups. They're no good if you have joint
> problems though.
>
> Karate styles usually have a fairly rigid set of motions, blocks usually
> being linear, meeting force with force. Kung Fu styles tend to be more
> circular, often guiding blows away rather than 'hitting' them. Of course,
> there are exceptions to the above in various different styles.
I never did karate but I've seen Karate Kid (1, 2 AND 3) and I find it
difficult to believe that any of the blocks are "meeting force with force".
Doesn't make any sense.
Porl
"Stonge" <stong...@HotPOP.com> wrote in message
Sounds like plenty. You might get fitter if you weren't such a greedy
cake-scoffing cnut though.
genuine...@zeouane.org
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
I did Shotokan and Tae Kwon-Do. As someone else has said, it's very
'money' in the UK (and here, too, where I'm considering going to
Ju-Jitsu, or however it's written). It was fun, though.
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Stonge
> Well, just eat less! :)
You make it sound so, so simple.
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Stonge
Champ
wrote:
If you do that already, then I doubt that any martial art will make
you lose weight. Have you considered eating less?
Rexx
>> Karate styles usually have a fairly rigid set of motions, blocks
>> usually being linear, meeting force with force. Kung Fu styles tend to
>> be more circular, often guiding blows away rather than 'hitting' them.
>> Of course, there are exceptions to the above in various different
>> styles.
>
> I never did karate but I've seen Karate Kid (1, 2 AND 3) and I find it
> difficult to believe that any of the blocks are "meeting force with
> force". Doesn't make any sense.
Well, you don't "go with" the attack as much as you do in other MA styles.
It does vary from one style to the next though. I did Shotokan, so that's
the only one I have direct experience of.
Rexx
> Now out of all those arts I'd stick with Shotokan as it was my first
> one, however, I found that most Karate in this country to be very money
> orientated and westernised. When I took my black belt in this country it
> was ś100 for the grading, ś50 for the belt (Well I had to get a nice
> silk one), and another fee for the certificate. When I went to Japan
> they laughed at this as they only have white or black belts and their
> family or teacher will award the dan grade when they feel like it.
Eek! That is expensive!
The club I went to was pretty small, about 6 of us in the adult class, but
about 20 in the juniors. It cost about Ł2 per session, twice a week, and
was about Ł15 for the grading which included the belt. The instructor does
it as a hobby though, rather than for a living (he also taught self
defense courses at college at some point).
>
> So, after all that I'd say;
> If you are solid, stocky and prefer a power martial art then choose
> karate. If you are skinny, slight then I'd go for Wing Chun as it's
> faster and much better for self defence.
>
I'd go with that. Most of the others at the karate club were sort of rugby
player build, and half the time, I couldn't get out of any of the locks
etc. if I let them get hold of me!
Porl
> I'd go with that. Most of the others at the karate club were sort of rugby
> player build, and half the time, I couldn't get out of any of the locks
> etc. if I let them get hold of me!
Did you even try?:)
Ginge
OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
water.
I'll bet you lose weight.
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Milo Thurston
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
Assuming you are interested in martial arts rather than only the
fitness part:
http://www.maisters.demon.co.uk
Or, see below for the second best (IMVHO, &c.).
Rexx
Heheh, well there was one nice bloke...
Champ
>In article <2nbp58F...@uni-berlin.de>, Stonge says...
>> "William Grainger" wrote:
>>
>> > If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>
>> Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>> for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>
>OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
>water.
>
>I'll bet you lose weight.
That's not a good technique, surely. Putting the body into starvation
shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
meals, just with less calories in them.
Ginge
> >OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
> >water.
> >
> >I'll bet you lose weight.
>
> That's not a good technique, surely. Putting the body into starvation
> shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
> meals, just with less calories in them.
Long term gaps in eating lead to starvation, sure.. but one day a week
is just a detox day in reality. Kind of like a reboot of the system,
drinking lots of water is essential though.
I'm not a doctor mind you, if it kills him, tough shit. Asking for
advice on the internet is *stupid*, taking it more so.
Linger
> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:44:58 GMT, Linger scrawled:
>
>> Now out of all those arts I'd stick with Shotokan as it was my first
>> one, however, I found that most Karate in this country to be very
>> money orientated and westernised. When I took my black belt in this
>> get a nice silk one), and another fee for the certificate. When I
>> went to Japan they laughed at this as they only have white or black
>> belts and their family or teacher will award the dan grade when they
>> feel like it.
>
> Eek! That is expensive!
> The club I went to was pretty small, about 6 of us in the adult
> twice a week, and was about £15 for the grading which included the
> belt. The instructor does it as a hobby though, rather than for a
> living (he also taught self defense courses at college at some point).
Our normal belts were about that price. The black belt was a crystal palace
special one.
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Beelzebub@Work
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
First time posting with Google, so apologies if it doesn't turn out
how I expect it.
I do Tae Kwon Do (ITF stylee) and have found that to be incredibly
good for fitness and flexibility. The first day I did it, I thought I
was going to die and it took me about 5 days before I could walk
properly. Oh, and I was 30yo when I started, so age is not really a
barrier.
TKD is "the way of hand and foot", so as expected it has a wide
variety of punching and kicking techniques, as well as self defence
and power (ie breaking boards etc). Depending upon how easily you'd
pick up techniques etc, from white to black belt could take as little
as 3 years.
I have absolutely no idea where you are location wise, but my personal
recommendation would be to join a class belonging to the Impact
organisation. Their website is www.tkdimpact.com If you are in Kent,
my old club (which is part of Impact) is at www.visiontkd.co.uk Both
sites give classes and times.
Course, in reality most martial arts are very similar in a lot of
ways, so it's probably of no consequence which you take up - any of
them will encourage fitness, flexibility and discipline. Muy Thai
boxing, I gather, is also very strenuous although not classed as an
art as such.
HTH
Muck
>
> Stonge wrote
> >"steve auvache" wrote:
> >
> >> Tai Chi.
> >
> >I always thought Tai Chi was lots of slow arm waving?
>
> That is the general fitness and mental control side. Do it faster and
> it becomes a martial arts dance.
>
There are combat forms of Tai Chi, but as Steve said, it's mostly used
to promote proper energy flow in the body and well being.
steve auvache
>On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:15:55 +0100, Ginge <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <2nbp58F...@uni-berlin.de>, Stonge says...
>>> "William Grainger" wrote:
>>>
>>> > If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>>
>>> Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>>> for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>>
>>OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
>>water.
>>
>>I'll bet you lose weight.
>
>That's not a good technique, surely. Putting the body into starvation
>shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
>meals, just with less calories in them.
Some Anthramorphologists claim that we are designed for it and that
missing the odd dinner here and there doesn't hurt. In fact there is a
school of thought who says it is good for us, occasionally.
I have problems with clothes and man fat. Cos I am a skinny runt at
heart a pound on me is a whole waist size. So, when I get stuck in
sedentary mode like I am at the moment and put on the odd inch I find
the easy way to get back in me keks is to miss a couple of big dinners.
Not breakfast though I insist on having that. A man has to keep
regular.
--
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Fitz
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
If you're doing no exercise now then practising any type will be
better than nothing tbh.
Personally I'd suggest thinking about whether you would prefer a
'hard' or 'soft' style.
By hard I refer to things like karate and tae kwon do which involve
lots of hard strikes and blocks.
By soft I refer to things like Ju Jitsu (are any of it's many
spellings) and aikido, which are purely defensive and based on
redirecting your attackers energy with flowing movements. The
Japanese arts have some interesting history that no-one will agree on
including Samurai warriors and the like.
Judo doesn't really fit in with this because it is a modern sport
based on martial arts heritage. So it has aggressive moves even
though it is mainly based on throws that are common with Ju Jitsu and
similar variations.
So to summarise:
are you a solid no nonsense, 'if it's broken hit it' sort of person?
or are you a thoughtful, calm, passive sort of person.
If the former you should look at: Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu etc.
If the latter you should look at: Ju Jitsu, Aikido etc.
If somewhere in between consider any of them and Judo. If you like
the idea of entering competitions and being the champion of something
the harder styles offer more opportunities.
If time permits consider training in more than one style?
If you are interested in self defence then I strongly recomend reading
books by Geoff Thompson on the subject. He didn't think his MA
training was any good for street self-defense so became a bouncer in
Coventry in the 80's to find out.
Personally I studied Ju Jitsu for a few years and got to play with all
sorts of weapons like knives, bottles and swords. I got fit and had
good fun.
Whatever you do throw yourself into it and enjoy it.
--
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Ben Blaney
> So, when I get stuck in
>sedentary mode like I am at the moment and put on the odd inch I find
>the easy way to get back in me keks is to miss a couple of big dinners.
>Not breakfast though I insist on having that. A man has to keep
>regular.
I don't eat breakfast. Yesterday I missed lunch. I worked late, and
someone ordered Chinese, so I had some prawn toast. Not a huge
intake.
This morning I had the biggest shit I've had for years. Eye-popping.
What's all that about, then?
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prawn
>
> This morning I had the biggest shit I've had for years. Eye-popping.
>
> What's all that about, then?
>
Veronica Moser?
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Champ
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>>OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
>>>water.
>>>
>>>I'll bet you lose weight.
>>
>>That's not a good technique, surely. Putting the body into starvation
>>shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
>>meals, just with less calories in them.
>
>Some Anthramorphologists claim that we are designed for it and that
>missing the odd dinner here and there doesn't hurt. In fact there is a
>school of thought who says it is good for us, occasionally.
>
>I have problems with clothes and man fat. Cos I am a skinny runt at
>heart a pound on me is a whole waist size. So, when I get stuck in
>sedentary mode like I am at the moment and put on the odd inch I find
>the easy way to get back in me keks is to miss a couple of big dinners.
>Not breakfast though I insist on having that. A man has to keep
>regular.
Oh, I skip the odd meal - no problem. I just wouldn't advise not
eating for a day as a weight loss technique. But wibble flip etc
Champ
(Beelzebub@Work) wrote:
>I do Tae Kwon Do (ITF stylee) and have found that to be incredibly
>good for fitness and flexibility.
>TKD is "the way of hand and foot", so as expected it has a wide
>variety of punching and kicking techniques, as well as self defence
>and power (ie breaking boards etc).
<Imagines Beelzebub breaking tiles with bare hands>
<goes for lie down>
Ace
><Imagines Beelzebub breaking tiles with bare hands>
I parsed that as 'breaking heads with bare tits'
><goes for lie down>
Perhaps that's a good idea...
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> Get close to anyone
> who does this art and they will fuck you up. I stayed well away.
>
Nice to hear that form another artist :)
> Now out of all those arts I'd stick with Shotokan as it was my first one,
> however, I found that most Karate in this country to be very money
> orientated and westernised. When I took my black belt in this country it
> was £100 for the grading, £50 for the belt (Well I had to get a nice silk
> one), and another fee for the certificate. When I went to Japan they
> laughed at this as they only have white or black belts and their family or
> teacher will award the dan grade when they feel like it.
>
> So, after all that I'd say;
> If you are solid, stocky and prefer a power martial art then choose
> karate. If you are skinny, slight then I'd go for Wing Chun as it's faster
> and much better for self defence.
And build is really not that relevant
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"Beelzebub@Work" <charlen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> TKD is "the way of hand and foot", so as expected it has a wide
> variety of punching and kicking techniques, as well as self defence
> and power (ie breaking boards etc). Depending upon how easily you'd
> pick up techniques etc, from white to black belt could take as little
> as 3 years.
We once had a TKD black belt come to our Wing Chun class from a school in
the same association of clubs around Leicester. Teach allowed him to spar
and picked me to go against him, presumably because I was the smallest,
weakest and most ineffectual wanker in the class (training for 1 1/2 years)
and hated me. I leathered the fucker (in sparing terms you understand).
From this I conclude that all TKD practitioners are blouses and I will take
you all on two at a time. You get the first 3 punches as well. This applies
only to girls though on the basis of "Broads don't hit back".
Lady Nina
wrote:
>"Rexx" wrote:
>
>> Well, just eat less! :)
>
>You make it sound so, so simple.
Substitute high calorie for low calorie, then you can eat bigger
portions, they will still be less calories and you will lose weight.
--
Lady Nina
General happy bouncy stuff.
ZXR400 CG125
flash@work
"Lady Nina" <spam....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:59:00 +0100, "Stonge" <stong...@HotPOP.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Rexx" wrote:
> >
> >> Well, just eat less! :)
> >
> >You make it sound so, so simple.
>
> Substitute high calorie for low calorie, then you can eat bigger
> portions, they will still be less calories and you will lose weight.
This works fine in theory but eating 1cwt of rice cakes is a poor substitue
for ,say, a curry frenzy.
Helium
> "William Grainger" wrote:
>
>> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>
> Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play
> badminton for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but
> reasonably fit.
Things vary from club to club as well as variations of the different martial
arts. Some clubs will get you fit by doing lots of fitness training as part
of the class. I think you are looking for a club where you will improve
fitness while practising. I can recommend Ju-Jitsu and Aikido for this
purpose. Aside from a general warm up and stretching, we rarely used to do
fitness training (press-ups etc.) but still got fit doing it.
--
Helium
Lincolnshire
VFR800 V-TEC
V-Twins Good, V4 Better!
Muck
>
> In message <2naji1F...@uni-berlin.de>, Stonge
> <stong...@HotPOP.com> writes
> >Hi,
> >
> >Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
> >
Heh.. The goodies by any chance?
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember Soylent Green <fri...@public.com>
saying something like:
>Stonge wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>>
>
>Llap Goch.
May I recommend the ancient Glasgow streetfighting art of
Hoi Jimmy? Some know it as Haw Yoo, or Uryeloo Kina Maburd.
--
Dave
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Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>> Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>> for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>
>OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
>water.
>
>I'll bet you lose weight.
I used to do that on occasion. It deffo left me feeling cleaner and more
relaxed.
Zymurgy
>
> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
heh, and if I may be so bold as to swap your post paragraphs around ..
> For brute effectiveness, I have never found an art to match Wing Chun Kung
> Fu (and I've met many practicioners of other arts
LOL! You're kidding right ...
Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
They *never* took us up on the offer ...
I'd say if you want to defend yourself then take up Karate (Preferably
Goju or Shotokan), Thai Boxing, TaeKwanDo or Jiu Jitsu.
If you want to get fit then you can try a 'softer' style such as Judo
[1], or Wado Karate.
If you want still softer, then try something like Aikido or Tai Chi.
I'm not sure where to class Kung Fu, but from what i've seen (and i'm
aware that seeing one club isn't that representative) i'm not that
impressed.
> If you want to learn an art as well, then the best course is probably to
> visit a few local schools to see what styles and teachers suit what you are
> looking for.
Hmm, I think you're nearing the mark here. I don't think any one style
provides all round effectiveness in any situation. A mix of styles is
always better.
Personally i'd like to do Jiu Jitsu next as i'm ok in kumite but once
on the floor or in a grapple then most of karate is less than
effective.
Cheers,
Paul.
[1] Heh, well, not 'soft' but it's hard to classify ..
Rexx
> Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
> we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
> them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
>
> They *never* took us up on the offer ...
I don't doubt it, the club I went to didn't appear to do any sparring
whatsoever. Then again, it depends on why they do it in the first place. I
used to hate doing free sparring in karate.
SP
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:57:29 GMT, Stonge scrawled:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> > etc)?
> >
>
> Going with most others here, it depends what you want it for. Most of
> the external styles will help keep you fit, but you'll still need to
> put a lot of effort into stretching and warmups. They're no good if
> you have joint problems though.
>
<snip>
>
> Tai Chi/Taiji/Tai Chi Chuan/Taijiquan - all mean the same thing when
> referring to the martial art, don't let anyone tell you otherwise -
> tai chi chuan (supreme ultimate fist/boxing) is not a different
> 'style' from tai chi (which simply means supreme ultimate, and
> shouldn't be used to refer to the martial art/exercise). There are
> numerous different styles, almost all of them are good for joint
> problems, though some (Yang and Chen) have fairly low stances so
> aren't good for bad knees/backs unless you're careful. A lot of
> attention is paid to breathing, and this coupled with correct posture
> is really good for blood-flow. It's often described as meditation in
> motion, and it's pretty good for stress relief.
<snip>
The Pain Relief Department of The Walton Centre for Neurology provides
Tai Chi classes for patients as it assists in controlling/reducing the
pain, apparently.
--
Lesley
CBR600FW
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BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12
BONY#54P BOB#18
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Switters
allegedly wrote:
> We once had a TKD black belt come to our Wing Chun class from a school
> in the same association of clubs around Leicester.
The colour of the belt is irrelevant.
Catman
> Catman wrote
>> Stonge wrote:
>>
>> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
>> > etc)?
>>
>> If you only want to get fit, go to a gym :)
>
> heh, and if I may be so bold as to swap your post paragraphs around ..
>
>> For brute effectiveness, I have never found an art to match Wing Chun
>> Kung Fu (and I've met many practicioners of other arts
>
> LOL! You're kidding right ...
Not at all.
> Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
> we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
> them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
>
> They *never* took us up on the offer ...
Each to their own.
How's this: The school I am currently at, it is *required* that higher
grades spar within other clubs to progress. There is an increasing number
of clubs that turn down this offer. If your (assuming you are within
convenient distance and are still training) would like to engage with us
(them in fact since I am still playing catch up) I'm sure it would be
beneficial to both parties.
> I'd say if you want to defend yourself then take up Karate (Preferably
> Goju or Shotokan), Thai Boxing, TaeKwanDo or Jiu Jitsu.
If the Wing Chun practicioners never took you up on a spar offer, how do
you know how effective it is?
Just curious like
> If you want to get fit then you can try a 'softer' style such as Judo
> [1], or Wado Karate.
> If you want still softer, then try something like Aikido or Tai Chi.
>
> I'm not sure where to class Kung Fu, but from what i've seen (and i'm
> aware that seeing one club isn't that representative) i'm not that
> impressed.
Definitely be aware that there are some very bad Kung Fu clubs as well as
some very good ones. We're pretty fair IME.
>> If you want to learn an art as well, then the best course is probably to
>> visit a few local schools to see what styles and teachers suit what you
>> are looking for.
>
> Hmm, I think you're nearing the mark here. I don't think any one style
> provides all round effectiveness in any situation. A mix of styles is
> always better.
Ahh, well. *In theory* Wing Chun *should have something to counter just
about anything. Although that kind of depends on the teacher.
> Personally i'd like to do Jiu Jitsu next as i'm ok in kumite but once
> on the floor or in a grapple then most of karate is less than
> effective.
ding.
Catman
Uses black pudding IIRC
Catman
> Hi,
>
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
Oh, and I should have mentioned, if you are looking for a friendly bunch of
Ki Aikido practicioners in London (Gower St) an *old* pal of mine is 4th
Dan Sensei these days.
Switters
allegedly wrote:
> I'm not sure where to class Kung Fu,
You can't, because Kung Fu is a generic term, it's as varied as "Martial
Arts".
> but from what i've seen (and i'm
> aware that seeing one club isn't that representative) i'm not that
> impressed.
Really. I saw Suzy Perry wobble around Donnington on a RCV211[1], she was
slow... the bike must be crap.
[1] This is a lie.
SP
<snip>
>
> By soft I refer to things like Ju Jitsu (are any of it's many
> spellings) and aikido, which are purely defensive and based on
> redirecting your attackers energy with flowing movements. The
> Japanese arts have some interesting history that no-one will agree on
> including Samurai warriors and the like.
>
> Judo doesn't really fit in with this because it is a modern sport
> based on martial arts heritage. So it has aggressive moves even
> though it is mainly based on throws that are common with Ju Jitsu and
> similar variations.
>
Eh? A modern sport based on martial arts heritage and has aggressive
moves? Modern if you take the early 1900's as modern sure, but it
wasn't designed by Jigaro Kano as a sport. Considering it is based on
Ju-Jitsu it only uses strangles and arm-locks, but not other locks (ie
wrist) so it appears to me to be less aggressive than Ju-Jitsu.
http://www.kokakids.co.uk/html/judo/kk6-history.htm
And certainly the Ju-Jitsu that is practised in my area is extremely
aggressive at the higher levels, and is not something that interests me
at all.
Rexx
>> Tai Chi/Taiji/Tai Chi Chuan/Taijiquan - all mean the same thing when
>> referring to the martial art, don't let anyone tell you otherwise -
>> tai chi chuan (supreme ultimate fist/boxing) is not a different
>> 'style' from tai chi (which simply means supreme ultimate, and
>> shouldn't be used to refer to the martial art/exercise). There are
>> numerous different styles, almost all of them are good for joint
>> problems, though some (Yang and Chen) have fairly low stances so
>> aren't good for bad knees/backs unless you're careful. A lot of
>> attention is paid to breathing, and this coupled with correct posture
>> is really good for blood-flow. It's often described as meditation in
>> motion, and it's pretty good for stress relief.
>
><snip>
>
> The Pain Relief Department of The Walton Centre for Neurology provides
> Tai Chi classes for patients as it assists in controlling/reducing the
> pain, apparently.
That's good to hear. :)
A related form to the arthritis one has recently been developed for back
pain.
Rexx
> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:04:15 GMT, zym...@technologist.com (Zymurgy)
> allegedly wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure where to class Kung Fu,
>
> You can't, because Kung Fu is a generic term, it's as varied as "Martial
> Arts".
And to be really pedantic Kung Fu (Gongfu) basically means something that
you become skilled at over time. Kung Fu Tea (gongfu cha) confuses people
quite a lot when you explain that it is actually making tea. :)
SP
> Stonge wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general
> > fitness, etc)?
> >
>
> Oh, and I should have mentioned, if you are looking for a friendly
> bunch of Ki Aikido practicioners in London (Gower St) an old pal of
> mine is 4th Dan Sensei these days.
And if you look at this site
You can get a taster session of Tae Kwon Do for free.
Simian
>
> By soft I refer to things like Ju Jitsu (are any of it's many
> spellings) and aikido, which are purely defensive and based on
> redirecting your attackers energy with flowing movements.
This is not entirely true.
> Judo doesn't really fit in with this because it is a modern sport
> based on martial arts heritage. So it has aggressive moves even
> though it is mainly based on throws that are common with Ju Jitsu and
> similar variations.
I'm not sure what you mean by agressive; I suppose the emphasis in Judo
is split roughly 50/50 between attacking moves and defensive ones in
the modern sport. But then J-J has a full compliment of kicks, punches,
elbows, knees, eye gouges, strangles, etc, which aren't limited to being
used when somebody attacks you.
--
ZX7RR.
raden
>
>Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness, etc)?
>
pretty gruelling. It's run by a 7th Dan and there's no quarter given.
--
geoff
Porl
"Catman" <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Zymurgy wrote:
> > Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
> > we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
> > them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
> >
> > They *never* took us up on the offer ...
>
> Each to their own.
This is quite understandable. Bear in mind exactly what makes Wing Chun what
it is: There aren't a lot of techniques you *can* spar with. Sure you can
block and stuff but it's pretty hard to simulate a punch to the face or
groin, an elbow to the nose or a kick to the knee in a Wing Chun style. I'm
not trying to talk it up but a sparring martial art it isn't. And you're not
going to get anyone interested in proper Wing Chun sparring where both
practitioners are prepared for the contact or a bit of Chi Sau, are you?
Karate has ridge hands and backfists I guess but they're not WC techniques
which is why when you attend comps the WC guys and gals aren't doing Wing
Chun.
Porl
"Switters" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Apparently so. However I would have expected some level of usefulness.
platypus
>
> I have problems with clothes and man fat.
So did Monica Lewinsky.
--
Platypus
"thang"
raden
<tras...@uk2.net> writes
>On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:04:15 GMT, Zymurgy scrawled:
>
>> Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
>> we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
>> them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
>>
>> They *never* took us up on the offer ...
>
>I don't doubt it, the club I went to didn't appear to do any sparring
>whatsoever. Then again, it depends on why they do it in the first place. I
>used to hate doing free sparring in karate.
>
--
geoff
Stonge
> Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general fitness,
> etc)?
Thanks for the replies, I'm booking myself a free taster in Tae Kwon Doe
just to see.
--
Stonge
raden
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:15:55 +0100, Ginge <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <2nbp58F...@uni-berlin.de>, Stonge says...
>>> "William Grainger" wrote:
>>>
>>> > If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>>
>>> for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>>
>>OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat *anything* and only drink
>>water.
>>
>>I'll bet you lose weight.
>
>shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
>meals, just with less calories in them.
The body takes 2-3 days to go into starvation mode
--
geoff
raden
<uk...@bensales.com> writes
>On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:39:13 +0100, "Stonge" <stong...@HotPOP.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"William Grainger" wrote:
>>
>>> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>
>>Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>>for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>
>it'll work.
Where's Guru Caine?
--
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Michael's brother?
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<lo...@lozzo.org.uk> typed
>raden says...
>> In message <0ok1h0599koob0ago...@4ax.com>, Ben
>> <uk...@bensales.com> writes
>> >On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:39:13 +0100, "Stonge" <stong...@HotPOP.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>"William Grainger" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>> >>
>> >>Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>> >>for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>> >
>> >Cycle more and harder, and cut down on your fat intake. Trust me,
>> >it'll work.
>>
>> Where's Guru Caine?
>
>Michael's brother?
Not a lot of people know that.
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raden
<wfg...@mrao.cam.ac.uk> writes
>In article <2nbp58F...@uni-berlin.de>,
>Stonge <stong...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>>"William Grainger" wrote:
>>
>>> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>
>>Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play badminton
>>for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but reasonably fit.
>
>
>if eaten calories > needed calories, fat bloke.
>if eaten calories < needed calories, slim bloke.
Not by the Atkins hypothesis
... and in my experience, a load of bollocks young Will
your simplistic formula needs a bit of refinement
>
>You're doing enough; just eat less.
>
>Or, radical, cut out alcohol altogether for a month.
>
--
geoff
raden
writes
It's dogmatic and lacks subtlty, but if you want to get fit, you could
do worse
I find Silat more to my tastes
--
geoff
SP
I did too, why not? I really need to do something because my fitness
is at an all-time low.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember Nigel Eaton
<nig...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> saying something like:
>>> >Cycle more and harder, and cut down on your fat intake. Trust me,
>>> >it'll work.
>>>
>>> Where's Guru Caine?
>>
>>Michael's brother?
>
>Not a lot of people know that.
What's it all about?
--
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SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
SP
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Nigel Eaton
> <nig...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> saying something like:
>
> >>> >Cycle more and harder, and cut down on your fat intake. Trust
> me, >>> >it'll work.
> > > >
> >>> Where's Guru Caine?
> > >
> > > Michael's brother?
> >
> > Not a lot of people know that.
>
> What's it all about?
Alfie, is that you?
Ben Blaney
>In message <cer4k0$ok7$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, William Grainger
><wfg...@mrao.cam.ac.uk> writes
>>
>>if eaten calories > needed calories, fat bloke.
>>if eaten calories < needed calories, slim bloke.
>
>Not by the Atkins hypothesis
Which is very dubious.
>... and in my experience, a load of bollocks young Will
No, it's plainly obvious. How many fat Ethiopians are there? How
many fat marathon runners? None, in each case, because what they use
is equal to, or greater than, what they take in.
--
Ben Blaney
sweller
> > OK, try this, for 1 day every week don't eat anything and only drink
> > water.
> >
> > I'll bet you lose weight.
>
> That's not a good technique, surely. Putting the body into starvation
> shock like that isn't good. Much better to continue to eat regular
> meals, just with less calories in them.
Crikey Champ, I fashionable diets are all the thing ATM but I would never
have you down for advocating the controversial "exercise more - eat less"
diet. It's a fucking killer.
--
Simon
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Catman
>
> "Catman" <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:_l8Qc.21041584$Id.34...@news.easynews.com...
>> Zymurgy wrote:
>
>> > Not that I want to get into another martial arts Jihad, but every time
>> > we (Karate) used to train next to the Kung Fu club, we'd always invite
>> > them to have a 'friendly' bout of kumite afterwards to warm down.
>> >
>> > They *never* took us up on the offer ...
>>
>> Each to their own.
>
> This is quite understandable.
I certainly have no problem in understanding it. There is (apart from your
excellent precis) a problem IME that it is hard to use Wing Chun techniques
above a certain, pretty basic level, against an opponent that doens't use
Wing Chun IYSWIM. It just doesn't make sense.
<snip>
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Catman
> In message <cer4k0$ok7$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, William Grainger
> <wfg...@mrao.cam.ac.uk> writes
>>In article <2nbp58F...@uni-berlin.de>,
>>Stonge <stong...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>>>"William Grainger" wrote:
>>>
>>>> If all you want to do is get fit, join a gym.
>>>
>>>Which I find soooo boring, I cycle about 50 miles a week and play
>>>badminton for 2 hours - but I'm still a fat git (too much food) - but
>>>reasonably fit.
>>
>>The deal is simple
>>
>>if eaten calories > needed calories, fat bloke.
>>if eaten calories < needed calories, slim bloke.
>
> Not by the Atkins hypothesis
Which one? IME and the last study I saw Atkins works by stopping you from
feeling hungy, therefore you eat less.
Catman
Or at least competence.
Beelzebub@Work
> Catman wrote:
>
> > Stonge wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Any recommendations as to the best martial art (for general
> > > fitness, etc)?
> > >
> >
> > Oh, and I should have mentioned, if you are looking for a friendly
> > bunch of Ki Aikido practicioners in London (Gower St) an old pal of
> > mine is 4th Dan Sensei these days.
>
> And if you look at this site
>
> http://www.tagb.biz/
>
they're rubbish. They teach (or did teach) TKD without the Sine wave
motion - stupid cos the Sine wave motion is a major part of what sets
ITF TKD as different to other martial arts. PUMA are very iffy too.
Better to go for UKTA, UKTF affiliated (if no Impact class nearby).
> You can get a taster session of Tae Kwon Do for free.
Most clubs will have at least first lesson free. My club (Andover)
gave me first month free, even though I wasn't a beginner.
Beelzebub@Work
> "Beelzebub@Work" <charlen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > TKD is "the way of hand and foot", so as expected it has a wide
> > variety of punching and kicking techniques, as well as self defence
> > and power (ie breaking boards etc). Depending upon how easily you'd
> > pick up techniques etc, from white to black belt could take as little
> > as 3 years.
>
> We once had a TKD black belt come to our Wing Chun class from a school in
> and picked me to go against him, presumably because I was the smallest,
> weakest and most ineffectual wanker in the class (training for 1 1/2 years)
> and hated me. I leathered the fucker (in sparing terms you understand).
Hehehehe - that happens in all martial arts. Personally I hate
sparring, although I do it because I have to.
>
> From this I conclude that all TKD practitioners are blouses and I will take
> you all on two at a time. You get the first 3 punches as well. This applies
> only to girls though on the basis of "Broads don't hit back".
<grins> Any time! Am I allowed to grapple?
Catman
> Catman <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote in message
> <vRkQc.26137$pF1....@news.easynews.com>:
>
>>Which one? IME and the last study I saw Atkins works by stopping you from
>>feeling hungy, therefore you eat less.
>
> What's the big fucking problem?
What big fucking problem?
>I bloated in my mid 30s so spent a few
> months on a really reduced calorie intake, modified my drinking habits
> and made sure I exercised on a regular basis.
>
> Dropped about 3 or so stone, have put about .5 of a stone back on over
> the last year or so, mainly due to too many dinners and a lack of
> exercise.
>
> All it takes is willpower.
Indeed. Where have I sugegsted otherwise?
> Oh, and the ability not to eat for a couple
> of days is helpful.
>
But pointless
Ben
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<cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>There is (apart from your
>excellent precis) a problem IME that it is hard to use Wing Chun techniques
>above a certain, pretty basic level, against an opponent that doens't use
>Wing Chun IYSWIM. It just doesn't make sense.
Not much use in a pub fight then.
Porl
"Ben" <uk...@bensales.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:53:54 GMT, Catman
> <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >There is (apart from your
> >excellent precis) a problem IME that it is hard to use Wing Chun
techniques
> >above a certain, pretty basic level, against an opponent that doens't use
> >Wing Chun IYSWIM. It just doesn't make sense.
>
> Not much use in a pub fight then.
Heh, it's the ideal MA for a pub fight.
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> Porl po...@btinternet.com says...
>> Heh, it's the ideal MA for a pub fight.
>
>I find Wun Ing Awy the best for a pub fight.
Or even Avo Dingint Fusp Lace.
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