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frag
Dec 31, 2011, 2:37:11 PM12/31/11
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Long shot this, but I know there are a few central heating / gas fire
people in here.
I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
It has stopped firing.
Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
turning the main burners on.
Anyone got a spare solenoid?
I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
spares from a 15 minute Google.
I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
can't find a direct replacement.
Don't really want to splurge a grandish on a new fire :-S
--
frag
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
people in here.
I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
It has stopped firing.
Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
turning the main burners on.
Anyone got a spare solenoid?
I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
spares from a 15 minute Google.
I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
can't find a direct replacement.
Don't really want to splurge a grandish on a new fire :-S
--
frag
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
Mark Olson
Dec 31, 2011, 8:01:07 PM12/31/11
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standard solenoid valve available at any decent heating supply
place. If you could post a clear in-focus photo of it, someone
will likely know what & where.
Mark Olson
Dec 31, 2011, 8:02:30 PM12/31/11
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gri...@gmail.com
Dec 31, 2011, 8:11:26 PM12/31/11
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:02:30 -0600, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
wrote:
>156 results found for gas solenoid
>
>I'll bet one of them will work...
Unlike the one I bought from a reputable local supplier - scratching
my head why the gas boiler still wouldn't come on.
The new solenoid was fucked, too.
wrote:
>156 results found for gas solenoid
>
>I'll bet one of them will work...
my head why the gas boiler still wouldn't come on.
The new solenoid was fucked, too.
geoff
Dec 31, 2011, 8:28:27 PM12/31/11
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In message <MPG.296974c01ef9f5df989769@server>, frag <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
writes
Physical dimensions are not enough. Dimensions are fairly standard. Do
the pilot and main solenoids look identical?
What's the coil resistance
Next problem is that you quite often can't just buy the solenoid alone,
they are only sold as a complete gas valve
You could try Euro boiler parts - 01582 414000 there's an outside chance
he can help
or ask ytour local authority who maintains their social housing and ask
if they are pulling one out
or phone your local (not national ) british gas and ask if they an old
fart that knows the fire (you might want to phrase it better) and has a
suggestion
If all else fails, ring me at work, and I might have a few more contacts
to try - 01923 229224
--
geoff
writes
>Long shot this, but I know there are a few central heating / gas fire
>people in here.
>
>I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
>It has stopped firing.
>
>Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
>flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
>turning the main burners on.
>
>Anyone got a spare solenoid?
>
>I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
>spares from a 15 minute Google.
>
>I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
>the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
>can't find a direct replacement.
>
Gas valves vary
>people in here.
>
>I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
>It has stopped firing.
>
>Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
>flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
>turning the main burners on.
>
>Anyone got a spare solenoid?
>
>I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
>spares from a 15 minute Google.
>
>I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
>the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
>can't find a direct replacement.
>
Physical dimensions are not enough. Dimensions are fairly standard. Do
the pilot and main solenoids look identical?
What's the coil resistance
Next problem is that you quite often can't just buy the solenoid alone,
they are only sold as a complete gas valve
You could try Euro boiler parts - 01582 414000 there's an outside chance
he can help
or ask ytour local authority who maintains their social housing and ask
if they are pulling one out
or phone your local (not national ) british gas and ask if they an old
fart that knows the fire (you might want to phrase it better) and has a
suggestion
If all else fails, ring me at work, and I might have a few more contacts
to try - 01923 229224
--
geoff
geoff
Dec 31, 2011, 8:32:53 PM12/31/11
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In message <obSdnXesCNrTLWLT...@posted.visi>, Mark Olson
<ols...@tiny.invalid> writes
Unfortunately, that's far too obvious a concept for gas appliance
manufacturers to have grasped
--
geoff
<ols...@tiny.invalid> writes
manufacturers to have grasped
--
geoff
geoff
Dec 31, 2011, 8:36:53 PM12/31/11
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In message <obSdnXasCNo8LWLT...@posted.visi>, Mark Olson
<ols...@tiny.invalid> writes
Yes, but which one?
--
geoff
<ols...@tiny.invalid> writes
--
geoff
Mark Olson
Dec 31, 2011, 11:42:36 PM12/31/11
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match, it'll be *that* one.
My guess is the solenoid/valve combination is indeed made for
Trident by someone else and their name and model # is on it. At least
that's how it would be done on this side of the pond.
Over here I would pull up Grainger's or McMaster Carr's websites
and have a replacement in hand the next day. I can't believe there
aren't similar suppliers in the UK.
http://www.grainger.com/
http://www.mcmaster.com/
frag
Jan 1, 2012, 6:02:05 AM1/1/12
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geoff burbled...
and a 10W coil would do. 10W seems to be the average from what I can
Google.
> Do the pilot and main solenoids look identical?
There is no pilot solenoid.
Gas comes in to the manual main control valve. One output from that to
the pilot, another output to the solenoid controlled valve and then to
the main burner.
Pilot valve thermostat goes back to the main control valve which can cut
all gas off.
> What's the coil resistance
Infinite.
> Next problem is that you quite often can't just buy the solenoid
alone,
> they are only sold as a complete gas valve
Well, it's still going to be cheaper than a new fire.
> You could try Euro boiler parts - 01582 414000 there's an outside
chance
> he can help
>
> or ask ytour local authority who maintains their social housing and ask
> if they are pulling one out
>
> or phone your local (not national ) british gas and ask if they an old
> fart that knows the fire (you might want to phrase it better) and has a
> suggestion
LOL
> If all else fails, ring me at work, and I might have a few more contacts
> to try - 01923 229224
Cheers.
At the moment it's all back together as I have someone coming round for
dinner and I want the GCH working and I didn't think a single,
uncontrolled flame coming straight from the gas feed pipe would go down
well :)
(I've got nothing to block the end of the gas pipe once I disconnect the
fire - tried screwing in the pressure valve but it went in a long way
and didn't seem to be cutting the gas off?)
>
> In message <MPG.296974c01ef9f5df989769@server>, frag <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
> writes
> >Long shot this, but I know there are a few central heating / gas fire
> >people in here.
> >
> >I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
> >
> >It has stopped firing.
> >
> >Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
> >flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
> >turning the main burners on.
> >
> >Anyone got a spare solenoid?
> >
> >I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
> >spares from a 15 minute Google.
> >
> >I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
> >the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
> >can't find a direct replacement.
>
> Gas valves vary
>
> Physical dimensions are not enough. Dimensions are fairly standard.
IWHT that something the correct length with the correct inside diameter
> In message <MPG.296974c01ef9f5df989769@server>, frag <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
> writes
> >Long shot this, but I know there are a few central heating / gas fire
> >people in here.
> >
> >I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
> >
> >It has stopped firing.
> >
> >Pilot light OK. Power flue fan OK. Voltage coming back from the power
> >flue fan OK. Solenoid on the main gas valve is open circuit so it's not
> >turning the main burners on.
> >
> >Anyone got a spare solenoid?
> >
> >I know Trident went out of business in 2007, and no one seems to have
> >spares from a 15 minute Google.
> >
> >I suppose I could measure the dimensions of the length and diameter of
> >the hole though the solenoid and get another one that's a close fit if I
> >can't find a direct replacement.
>
> Gas valves vary
>
> Physical dimensions are not enough. Dimensions are fairly standard.
and a 10W coil would do. 10W seems to be the average from what I can
Google.
> Do the pilot and main solenoids look identical?
Gas comes in to the manual main control valve. One output from that to
the pilot, another output to the solenoid controlled valve and then to
the main burner.
Pilot valve thermostat goes back to the main control valve which can cut
all gas off.
> What's the coil resistance
> Next problem is that you quite often can't just buy the solenoid
alone,
> they are only sold as a complete gas valve
> You could try Euro boiler parts - 01582 414000 there's an outside
chance
> he can help
>
> or ask ytour local authority who maintains their social housing and ask
> if they are pulling one out
>
> or phone your local (not national ) british gas and ask if they an old
> fart that knows the fire (you might want to phrase it better) and has a
> suggestion
> If all else fails, ring me at work, and I might have a few more contacts
> to try - 01923 229224
At the moment it's all back together as I have someone coming round for
dinner and I want the GCH working and I didn't think a single,
uncontrolled flame coming straight from the gas feed pipe would go down
well :)
(I've got nothing to block the end of the gas pipe once I disconnect the
fire - tried screwing in the pressure valve but it went in a long way
and didn't seem to be cutting the gas off?)
frag
Jan 1, 2012, 6:05:16 AM1/1/12
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Mark Olson burbled...
It's (the coil) a square grey one.
Wiv 3 pins in what is apparently a standard configuration.
With a black plug that plugs onto the 3 pins and is held in place by a
screw.
I'll dismantle it all again tomorrow and pull the coil out and take some
measurements and pics.
Wiv 3 pins in what is apparently a standard configuration.
With a black plug that plugs onto the 3 pins and is held in place by a
screw.
I'll dismantle it all again tomorrow and pull the coil out and take some
measurements and pics.
TMack
Jan 1, 2012, 6:13:36 AM1/1/12
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
> I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality. This could be an
> I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
public.
--
Tony
'04 Ducati ST3, '08 DL650GT,
'87 TW200, '94 PC800, OMF#24
The Older Gentleman
Jan 1, 2012, 8:17:50 AM1/1/12
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TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>
> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality. This could be an
> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> public.
Wonder if it's a Meriden or a Hinckley Trident.
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>
> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality. This could be an
> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> public.
--
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idiot with an idiot with a set of cheap tools
geoff
Jan 1, 2012, 11:26:24 AM1/1/12
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In message <MPG.296a4e4bb30f823b98976e@server>, frag <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
writes
>Mark Olson burbled...
>
>With a black plug that plugs onto the 3 pins and is held in place by a
>screw.
>
>I'll dismantle it all again tomorrow and pull the coil out and take some
>measurements and pics.
>
>
Unfortunately, the one person I know who is almost sure to know, is in a
bad way with cancer of the stomach
There are a couple other BG old farts who I know who might have a clue
--
geoff
writes
>Mark Olson burbled...
>>
>It's (the coil) a square grey one.
>
>Wiv 3 pins in what is apparently a standard configuration.
Does it have the word "Macleary" written on it anywhere
>It's (the coil) a square grey one.
>
>Wiv 3 pins in what is apparently a standard configuration.
>
>With a black plug that plugs onto the 3 pins and is held in place by a
>screw.
>
>I'll dismantle it all again tomorrow and pull the coil out and take some
>measurements and pics.
>
>
bad way with cancer of the stomach
There are a couple other BG old farts who I know who might have a clue
--
geoff
frag
Jan 1, 2012, 12:23:37 PM1/1/12
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TMack burbled...
doses every year.
> This could be an
> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> public.
That'd work if it *generated* reality. As it is obviously fuelled by
reality it only works when I can get everyone round here to stop
shouting "Deny!".
>
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>
> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality.
I know. No wonder the damn thing never works apart from a couple of
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>
> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>
> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality.
doses every year.
> This could be an
> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> public.
reality it only works when I can get everyone round here to stop
shouting "Deny!".
frag
Jan 1, 2012, 12:30:58 PM1/1/12
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The Older Gentleman burbled...
>
> TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
> >
> > > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
> >
> > Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality. This could be an
> > important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> > public.
>
> Wonder if it's a Meriden or a Hinckley Trident.
Lockheed.
> TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
> >
> > > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
> >
> > Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality. This could be an
> > important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
> > public.
>
> Wonder if it's a Meriden or a Hinckley Trident.
TMack
Jan 1, 2012, 6:11:00 PM1/1/12
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:23:37 +0000, frag wrote:
> TMack burbled...
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>>
>> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>>
>> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality.
>
> I know. No wonder the damn thing never works apart from a couple of
> doses every year.
>
>> This could be an
>> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
>> public.
>
> That'd work if it *generated* reality. As it is obviously fuelled by
> reality it only works when I can get everyone round here to stop
> shouting "Deny!".
But that's my point - it only generates heat when people in the vicinity
> TMack burbled...
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:37:11 +0000, frag wrote:
>>
>> > I have a Trident 'Reality' powered flue gas fire.
>>
>> Wow, a domestic heating device powered by reality.
>
> I know. No wonder the damn thing never works apart from a couple of
> doses every year.
>
>> This could be an
>> important contribution to promoting good mental health in the general
>> public.
>
> That'd work if it *generated* reality. As it is obviously fuelled by
> reality it only works when I can get everyone round here to stop
> shouting "Deny!".
are in touch with reality. In winter it provides positive reinforcement
for sanity.
The instructions will give details of its need for reality in a "sanity
clause". Clearly somebody has been saying that the sanity clause doesn't
exist and that has confused it.
frag
Jan 2, 2012, 7:54:56 AM1/2/12
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TMack burbled...
LOL!
And here we are when all adults are trying to maintain childrens belief
in a mythical fat figure who likes port and mince pies.
Ah well, kids are little power houses, they'll keep themselves warm. (is
that why lots of them play with matches?)
And here we are when all adults are trying to maintain childrens belief
in a mythical fat figure who likes port and mince pies.
Ah well, kids are little power houses, they'll keep themselves warm. (is
that why lots of them play with matches?)
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