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Jeremy
Apr 2, 2013, 10:50:37 AM4/2/13
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My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and I
am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc; also
brake fluid replacement.
Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere in the
vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service? There aren't any
Kawasaki dealers in this neck of the woods but I guess model familiarity
isn't that important - true or false?
ta
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jeremy
am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc; also
brake fluid replacement.
Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere in the
vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service? There aren't any
Kawasaki dealers in this neck of the woods but I guess model familiarity
isn't that important - true or false?
ta
--
jeremy
TOG@Toil
Apr 2, 2013, 11:09:27 AM4/2/13
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On Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:50:37 UTC+1, jeremy wrote:
> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
Just for plugs, brake fluid, oil and filter? Sounds like a hell of a lot to me, actually, only I bet it takes an hour to access the plugs alone.
> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
Plugs.... £30-40 or so. Oil, another £40. Oil filter, a fiver. Air filter, probably £20-25. Tenner's worth of brake fluid.
So well over £300 for labour. Five hours' worth? Seems a helluva lot to me, bearing in mind that while the oil's draining you're tackling other jobs.
Jeremy
Apr 2, 2013, 11:17:43 AM4/2/13
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In article <8fcdc796-a774-41ed...@googlegroups.com>,
totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> So well over ￜ300 for labour. Five hours' worth? Seems a helluva lot to me, bearing in mind that while the oil's draining you're tackling other jobs.
Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
[1] is the apostrophe in the right place?
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jeremy
totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> On Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:50:37 UTC+1, jeremy wrote:
>
>
> > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>
>
> Just for plugs, brake fluid, oil and filter? Sounds like a hell of a lot to me, actually, only I bet it takes an hour to access the plugs alone.
>
> Plugs.... ￜ30-40 or so. Oil, another ￜ40. Oil filter, a fiver. Air filter, probably ￜ20-25. Tenner's worth of brake fluid.
> On Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:50:37 UTC+1, jeremy wrote:
>
>
> > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>
>
> Just for plugs, brake fluid, oil and filter? Sounds like a hell of a lot to me, actually, only I bet it takes an hour to access the plugs alone.
>
>
> So well over ￜ300 for labour. Five hours' worth? Seems a helluva lot to me, bearing in mind that while the oil's draining you're tackling other jobs.
Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
[1] is the apostrophe in the right place?
--
jeremy
The Older Gentleman
Apr 2, 2013, 1:32:15 PM4/2/13
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Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
It's a bastard if it is, but then, like I said, I suspect getting at the
> Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
plugs may be an arse-ache of a job. It's a shitload of money for a minor
service, mind.
> [1] is the apostrophe in the right place?
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ogden
Apr 2, 2013, 1:36:36 PM4/2/13
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> > is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
>
> It's a bastard if it is, but then, like I said, I suspect getting at the
> plugs may be an arse-ache of a job. It's a shitload of money for a minor
> service, mind.
The 8k won't be a minor service, that'd be 4k and 12k. 8k will be the
>
> Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> > is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
>
> It's a bastard if it is, but then, like I said, I suspect getting at the
> plugs may be an arse-ache of a job. It's a shitload of money for a minor
> service, mind.
mid-sized one with the major at 16k.
--
ogden
990SMT - bouncy orange tractor
GSXR1000 - vintage sports-tourer
The Older Gentleman
Apr 2, 2013, 2:02:36 PM4/2/13
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ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> > Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> > > is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
> >
> > It's a bastard if it is, but then, like I said, I suspect getting at the
> > plugs may be an arse-ache of a job. It's a shitload of money for a minor
> > service, mind.
>
> The 8k won't be a minor service, that'd be 4k and 12k. 8k will be the
> mid-sized one with the major at 16k.
Ah, right. Still a lot of dosh. Thought the things had 6k intervals, but
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> > Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually the chap I spoke to did say they'd need it for 5 hours (if that
> > > is 5 hours' [1] worth of work I don't know).
> >
> > It's a bastard if it is, but then, like I said, I suspect getting at the
> > plugs may be an arse-ache of a job. It's a shitload of money for a minor
> > service, mind.
>
> The 8k won't be a minor service, that'd be 4k and 12k. 8k will be the
> mid-sized one with the major at 16k.
evidently not.
Kevin
Apr 2, 2013, 2:23:45 PM4/2/13
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On 02/04/2013 19:02, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> The 8k won't be a minor service, that'd be 4k and 12k. 8k will be the
>> >mid-sized one with the major at 16k.
> Ah, right. Still a lot of dosh. Thought the things had 6k intervals, but
> evidently not.
The 1400GTR is even worse at 3.5k miles service intervals. The
>> The 8k won't be a minor service, that'd be 4k and 12k. 8k will be the
>> >mid-sized one with the major at 16k.
> Ah, right. Still a lot of dosh. Thought the things had 6k intervals, but
> evidently not.
intermediate service is pretty much just an oil change but, of course,
it needs the stamp/record to maintain the warranty. The service
interval was why we got rid of it although, looking back, quite why I
didn't let the warranty expire then service it every 6k I have no idea
as we really liked the bike.
Laguna Motorcycles in Ashford estimated the 24k service on our first GTR
would cost �750. We sold it and bought another one instead. They are
nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
--
Kevin
'11 GSA,'08 FJR,'07 K8 Hayabusa,'02 Dyna Super Glide,'90 FJ12
http://thewellers.us/
PipL
Apr 2, 2013, 2:55:05 PM4/2/13
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On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:23:45 +0100, Kevin <spam...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
Even a Guzzi has longer service intervals than that: over 6K for the 1200,
>nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
though I'm shortening it to 5.
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Pip
The Older Gentleman
Apr 2, 2013, 3:47:42 PM4/2/13
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Kevin <spam...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
Especially when you consider the intervals on my old Ducati 750SS were
> a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
6,000 miles.
Andy B
Apr 2, 2013, 6:12:26 PM4/2/13
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The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Kevin <spam...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
> Especially when you consider the intervals on my old Ducati 750SS were
> 6,000 miles.
7.5k miles on a Multistrada which isn't that bad for a modern bike.
> Kevin <spam...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
> Especially when you consider the intervals on my old Ducati 750SS were
> 6,000 miles.
ogden
Apr 2, 2013, 5:14:29 PM4/2/13
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The intervals on the SMT are 7500km, which is about 4300 miles, so if I
get it serviced immediately before this summers trip I should just be
able to get home before the next service is due.
On a GTR I'd have to book the next service somewhere in Germany, halfway
home. Rubbish.
Champ
Apr 2, 2013, 7:01:26 PM4/2/13
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On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>Just for plugs, brake fluid, oil and filter? Sounds like a hell of a lot to me, actually, only I bet it takes an hour to access the plugs alone.
An hour? If you're lucky! Took me 2 hours on a ZX10R
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>Just for plugs, brake fluid, oil and filter? Sounds like a hell of a lot to me, actually, only I bet it takes an hour to access the plugs alone.
>Plugs.... �30-40 or so.
When was the last time you bought modern spark plugs?
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
wessie
Apr 2, 2013, 7:33:23 PM4/2/13
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The Older Gentleman
Apr 3, 2013, 2:09:51 AM4/3/13
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That's rather more compact, though. Still, I had a feeling they''d be
awkward.
> >Plugs.... �30-40 or so.
>
> When was the last time you bought modern spark plugs?
Does the GTR have those fancy diddy iridium things, then? Thought it
just used 'ordinary' plugs.
awkward.
> >Plugs.... �30-40 or so.
>
> When was the last time you bought modern spark plugs?
just used 'ordinary' plugs.
Kevin
Apr 3, 2013, 2:20:50 AM4/3/13
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On 03/04/2013 07:09, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Does the GTR have those fancy diddy iridium things, then? Thought it
> just used 'ordinary' plugs.
It does. I suspect the ZZR does as well.
> Does the GTR have those fancy diddy iridium things, then? Thought it
> just used 'ordinary' plugs.
Vass
Apr 3, 2013, 4:27:37 AM4/3/13
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"Jeremy" wrote in message
news:MPG.2bc5009c4...@news.individual.net...
>My ZZR1400 is due a service
>Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere in the
>vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
http://www.portmanmotorcycles.com/
>vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
They are Kwak dealers in Guildford, but no idea if they are any good, been
there ages mind.
--
Vass
Jeremy
Apr 3, 2013, 4:49:02 AM4/3/13
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In article <Ff6dnYcJseOkdcbM...@eclipse.net.uk>,
ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk says...
Thanks was aware of them but was trying to tie in with something in the
direction (broadly) of my office from home not in the opposite
direction.
Recommendations are preferred though (either main dealer or
independent).
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jeremy
ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk says...
direction (broadly) of my office from home not in the opposite
direction.
Recommendations are preferred though (either main dealer or
independent).
--
jeremy
Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 5:04:57 AM4/3/13
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Jeremy wrote:
> My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> also brake fluid replacement.
>
> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>
> Does that sound reasonable?
Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
> My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> also brake fluid replacement.
>
> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
>
> Does that sound reasonable?
--
Krusty
Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250
Jeremy
Apr 3, 2013, 7:23:35 AM4/3/13
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In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
says...
should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
your bikes (as an example)?
--
jeremy
says...
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> > I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> > also brake fluid replacement.
> >
> > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> >
> > Does that sound reasonable?
>
> Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> > I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> > also brake fluid replacement.
> >
> > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> >
> > Does that sound reasonable?
>
> Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
your bikes (as an example)?
--
jeremy
Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 7:42:03 AM4/3/13
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Jeremy wrote:
> In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> says...
> >
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old
> > > and I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil &
> > > filter etc; also brake fluid replacement.
> > >
> > > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > >
> > > Does that sound reasonable?
> >
> > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
>
> I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> should be replaced at 7.5k miles
I'm sure it does - the (Japanese engine'd) Raptor's does too. But
> In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> says...
> >
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old
> > > and I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil &
> > > filter etc; also brake fluid replacement.
> > >
> > > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > >
> > > Does that sound reasonable?
> >
> > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
>
> I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> should be replaced at 7.5k miles
that's nothing to do with when they /need/ replacing. The MV's are
meant to be replaced at 12k miles (yes, miles).
If you want to stick to the service schedule, much of which is designed
to generate income for the dealer network, change them at 7.5k. If you
want to save a few hundred quid by not discarding a perfectly good set
of spark plugs, leave 'em be.
Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get to
that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong after 70k
miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in modern fuels let
good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
ogden
Apr 3, 2013, 7:44:57 AM4/3/13
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Jeremy
Apr 3, 2013, 7:48:09 AM4/3/13
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In article <MPG.2bc62698d...@news.eternal-september.org>,
og...@pre.org says...
--
jeremy
og...@pre.org says...
>
> Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> > says...
> Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> > says...
> > > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
> >
> > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
> > your bikes (as an example)?
>
> 15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT, 7500 miles for the GSXR.
And do you broadly observe those recommendations>
> >
> > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
> > your bikes (as an example)?
>
> 15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT, 7500 miles for the GSXR.
--
jeremy
ogden
Apr 3, 2013, 7:47:02 AM4/3/13
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ogden wrote:
>
> Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> > says...
> > >
> > > Jeremy wrote:
> > >
> > > > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> > > > I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> > > > also brake fluid replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > > >
> > > > Does that sound reasonable?
> > >
> > > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
> >
> > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
> > your bikes (as an example)?
>
> 15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT
...which I should note came when the bike was just 9 months old. Crazy
>
> Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>, dontw...@nowhere.invalid
> > says...
> > >
> > > Jeremy wrote:
> > >
> > > > My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years old and
> > > > I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil & filter etc;
> > > > also brake fluid replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > > >
> > > > Does that sound reasonable?
> > >
> > > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's bonkers.
> >
> > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement intervals on
> > your bikes (as an example)?
>
> 15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT
to change the plugs that early. According to the service schedule
they'll be due for replacement again by mid July, when it'll be 18
months old.
ogden
Apr 3, 2013, 7:47:53 AM4/3/13
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doing", and then I pay the bill when I pick the bike up.
Thomas
Apr 3, 2013, 7:49:45 AM4/3/13
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Mark Olson
Apr 3, 2013, 8:04:54 AM4/3/13
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certainly don't have to change the plugs every 8k. Hell, you won't
even have to change garden variety plugs every 8k. That is just nuts.
Tosspot
Apr 3, 2013, 8:08:00 AM4/3/13
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another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types, it's not like
we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be a bit more convinced.
Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 8:25:41 AM4/3/13
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Tosspot wrote:
> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
> >On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:23:35 -0700, Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > dontw...@nowhere.invalid says...
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years
> old and >>>> I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil &
> filter etc; >>>> also brake fluid replacement.
> > > > >
> >>>> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > > > >
> >>>> Does that sound reasonable?
> > > >
> > > > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's
> > > > bonkers.
> > >
> > > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement
> > > intervals on your bikes (as an example)?
> >
> > The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
>
> So what is it that means one set of plugs last twice as long as
> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
> >On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 04:23:35 -0700, Jeremy <jerem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <kjgrbo$g6r$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > dontw...@nowhere.invalid says...
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> My ZZR1400 is due a service (8k miles only). It's now 3 years
> old and >>>> I am told it needs spark plugs changing as well as oil &
> filter etc; >>>> also brake fluid replacement.
> > > > >
> >>>> Looks like circa 450 quid to have a place near me do it.
> > > > >
> >>>> Does that sound reasonable?
> > > >
> > > > Changing the spark plugs at 8k miles isn't reasonable, it's
> > > > bonkers.
> > >
> > > I was surprised too. But the Kawasaki service schedule states they
> > > should be replaced at 7.5k miles - what are the replacement
> > > intervals on your bikes (as an example)?
> >
> > The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
>
> another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types, it's not
> like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be a bit more
> convinced.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with how long the plugs last.
> like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be a bit more
> convinced.
Tosspot
Apr 3, 2013, 8:32:25 AM4/3/13
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Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 8:33:51 AM4/3/13
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Tosspot
Apr 3, 2013, 8:49:04 AM4/3/13
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On 03/04/13 13:33, Krusty wrote:
> Tosspot wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/13 13:25, Krusty wrote:
>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
>>>>
>>>> So what is it that means one set of plugs last twice as long as
>>>> another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types, it's not
>>>> like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be a bit more
>>>> convinced.
>>>
>>> It's got absolutely nothing to do with how long the plugs last.
>>
>> Then why dont all manufacturers do it?
>
> Do what?
Change the plugs every 8k.
> Tosspot wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/13 13:25, Krusty wrote:
>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
>>>>
>>>> So what is it that means one set of plugs last twice as long as
>>>> another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types, it's not
>>>> like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be a bit more
>>>> convinced.
>>>
>>> It's got absolutely nothing to do with how long the plugs last.
>>
>> Then why dont all manufacturers do it?
>
> Do what?
Vass
Apr 3, 2013, 8:55:26 AM4/3/13
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"Tosspot" wrote in message
news:1I-dnb1MKemguMHM...@giganews.com...
On 03/04/13 13:33, Krusty wrote:
> Tosspot wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/13 13:25, Krusty wrote:
>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
>>>>
Change at 16k
If you're fishing them out, I'd change em.
--
Vass
Mark Olson
Apr 3, 2013, 9:16:07 AM4/3/13
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from new, why would you? But I wouldn't even bother taking them out
to look after 8k. I *might* change them every 32k but even at that
mileage, Iridium plugs will probably look and work like brand new.
Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 9:24:07 AM4/3/13
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Tosspot
Apr 3, 2013, 9:59:00 AM4/3/13
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On 03/04/13 14:24, Krusty wrote:
> Tosspot wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/13 13:33, Krusty wrote:
>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/13 13:25, Krusty wrote:
>>>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k.
>>>>>>> harumpf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what is it that means one set of plugs last twice as long
>>>>>> as another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types,
>>>>>> it's not like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be
>>>>>> a bit more convinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's got absolutely nothing to do with how long the plugs last.
>>>>
>>>> Then why dont all manufacturers do it?
>>>
>>> Do what?
>>
>> Change the plugs every 8k.
>
> Because they don't all have the same level of cuntishness.
<applause> Good point, well presented.
> Tosspot wrote:
>
>> On 03/04/13 13:33, Krusty wrote:
>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/04/13 13:25, Krusty wrote:
>>>>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/04/13 12:49, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k.
>>>>>>> harumpf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what is it that means one set of plugs last twice as long
>>>>>> as another? Both bikes are fairly low revving tourer types,
>>>>>> it's not like we are comparing FJR to an R6, where I might be
>>>>>> a bit more convinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's got absolutely nothing to do with how long the plugs last.
>>>>
>>>> Then why dont all manufacturers do it?
>>>
>>> Do what?
>>
>> Change the plugs every 8k.
>
> Because they don't all have the same level of cuntishness.
sleazy
Apr 3, 2013, 10:00:03 AM4/3/13
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
> If they're perfectly good, and the performance is indistinguishable
> from new, why would you? But I wouldn't even bother taking them out
> to look after 8k. I *might* change them every 32k but even at that
> mileage, Iridium plugs will probably look and work like brand new.
I changed the Daytona's when I got it at 17,xxx just because I wanted to
>
> If they're perfectly good, and the performance is indistinguishable
> from new, why would you? But I wouldn't even bother taking them out
> to look after 8k. I *might* change them every 32k but even at that
> mileage, Iridium plugs will probably look and work like brand new.
start with a fresh baseline. Second set went in at 55k. If they spark,
they're good, IMO. Then again, I'm a cheap and lazy bastard.
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sleazy
c...@nospam.netunix.com
Apr 3, 2013, 10:43:33 AM4/3/13
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Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get to
> that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong after 70k
> miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in modern fuels let
> good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
There speaks a man who has never owned a 2smoke..
>
> Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get to
> that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong after 70k
> miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in modern fuels let
> good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
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75 Suzuki GT750 Kettle
81 Suzuki GT200 X5
++May contain nuts.++
Krusty
Apr 3, 2013, 11:11:12 AM4/3/13
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c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get
> > to that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong
> > after 70k miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in
> > modern fuels let good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
>
> There speaks a man who has never owned a 2smoke..
See that Fantic in my sig? The one I've owned for over 20 years? It's a
> Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get
> > to that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong
> > after 70k miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in
> > modern fuels let good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
>
> There speaks a man who has never owned a 2smoke..
2-stroke.
Andy B
Apr 3, 2013, 12:26:33 PM4/3/13
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<c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
> Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get to
> > that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong after 70k
> > miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in modern fuels let
> > good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
>
> There speaks a man who has never owned a 2smoke..
I've had the same plug in my 2-stroke KTM for nearly 2 years and though
> Krusty <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally one of the plugs in my Jeep was such a bastard to get to
> > that I never bothered changing it. It was still going strong after 70k
> > miles. I wouldn't be surprised if the detergents in modern fuels let
> > good quality plugs last the lifetime of a vehicle.
>
> There speaks a man who has never owned a 2smoke..
I carry a spare it's never been needed yet.
Champ
Apr 3, 2013, 1:54:12 PM4/3/13
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Apr 3, 2013, 4:55:24 PM4/3/13
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:44:57 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
>15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT, 7500 miles for the GSXR.
8,000 for the old Wing, but it had Splitfires in it for over 50,000
>
>15000km (9400 miles) for the SMT, 7500 miles for the GSXR.
miles with no issues.
GL18 is every 16,000
Even the CBX is every 7,500
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Previously ...
GL1800A6; CBR1100XX-X; CBR1000FL; GPz750R;
Z650C2; Z750E1; KH500A8; KH250B3; TS250c;
TS185c.
Ace
Apr 3, 2013, 5:32:18 PM4/3/13
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FTFY.
wessie
Apr 3, 2013, 6:51:22 PM4/3/13
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Thomas <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in
news:op.wuyq4...@tom-pc.san.rr.com:
> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
weird, as the S10 has 12k intervals for plug replacements and only uses the
bog standard NGK plugs that cost about a fiver each.
news:op.wuyq4...@tom-pc.san.rr.com:
> The Honda Pan is 16k, but the Yamaha FJR is also 8k. harumpf.
bog standard NGK plugs that cost about a fiver each.
Jeremy
Apr 4, 2013, 6:11:37 AM4/4/13
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In article <as0m1m...@mid.individual.net>, spam...@nospam.invalid
says...
> Laguna Motorcycles in Ashford estimated the 24k service on our first GTR
> would cost £750. We sold it and bought another one instead. They are
> nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
That is, isn't it.
--
jeremy
says...
> Laguna Motorcycles in Ashford estimated the 24k service on our first GTR
> would cost £750. We sold it and bought another one instead. They are
> nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
That is, isn't it.
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jeremy
Jeremy
Apr 4, 2013, 6:14:15 AM4/4/13
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In article <38b6d4dd306872a7...@blakeley.plus.com>,
bo...@despammed.com says...
>
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:09:49 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, boots says:
>
> >On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:50:37 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jeremy says:
> >
> >>Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere in the
> >>vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
> >
> >Let me email a mate who lives in Basingstoke. I know he's got a shop
> >he's happy with.
>
>
> http://www.motorcyclemotbasingstoke.co.uk/
Hmm... just given them a call, seems they are into "pragmatic
servicing" (my term) - told me that the spark plugs should be left alone
and they'd do the oil & filter, check & clean air filter, replace the
brakefluid, do all the checks and lubing for 120.
Thanks for the suggestion, have booked in with them and cacelled the 450
service...
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jeremy
bo...@despammed.com says...
>
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:09:49 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, boots says:
>
> >On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:50:37 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jeremy says:
> >
> >>Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere in the
> >>vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
> >
> >Let me email a mate who lives in Basingstoke. I know he's got a shop
> >he's happy with.
>
>
> http://www.motorcyclemotbasingstoke.co.uk/
Hmm... just given them a call, seems they are into "pragmatic
servicing" (my term) - told me that the spark plugs should be left alone
and they'd do the oil & filter, check & clean air filter, replace the
brakefluid, do all the checks and lubing for 120.
Thanks for the suggestion, have booked in with them and cacelled the 450
service...
--
jeremy
Scraggy
Apr 4, 2013, 6:19:15 AM4/4/13
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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:55:24 +0100, Salad Dodger
<salad....@idnet.com> wrote:
>GL18 is every 16,000
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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members. Groucho Marx
<salad....@idnet.com> wrote:
>GL18 is every 16,000
hahahahahahahahahahaha
--
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as
members. Groucho Marx
Krusty
Apr 4, 2013, 6:50:01 AM4/4/13
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Jeremy wrote:
> In article <38b6d4dd306872a7...@blakeley.plus.com>,
> bo...@despammed.com says...
> >
> > On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:09:49 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, boots
> > says:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:50:37 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jeremy
> > > says:
> > >
> > > > Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere
> > > > in the vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
> > >
> > > Let me email a mate who lives in Basingstoke. I know he's got a
> > > shop he's happy with.
> >
> >
> > http://www.motorcyclemotbasingstoke.co.uk/
>
> Hmm... just given them a call, seems they are into "pragmatic
> servicing" (my term) - told me that the spark plugs should be left
> alone
Uh-huh.
> In article <38b6d4dd306872a7...@blakeley.plus.com>,
> bo...@despammed.com says...
> >
> > On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:09:49 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, boots
> > says:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:50:37 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jeremy
> > > says:
> > >
> > > > Does that sound reasonable? Any recommendations for somewhere
> > > > in the vicinity of Reading/Basingstoke/Fleet for this service?
> > >
> > > Let me email a mate who lives in Basingstoke. I know he's got a
> > > shop he's happy with.
> >
> >
> > http://www.motorcyclemotbasingstoke.co.uk/
>
> Hmm... just given them a call, seems they are into "pragmatic
> servicing" (my term) - told me that the spark plugs should be left
> alone
> and they'd do the oil & filter, check & clean air filter,
> replace the brakefluid, do all the checks and lubing for 120.
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Apr 4, 2013, 12:50:47 PM4/4/13
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On 04/04/2013 17:41, boots wrote:
> My mate's been using then a while, first for his bandit and now his
> sprint. Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
>
What have you been quoted? Flitwick Motorcycles have quoted me £300 plus
parts for shim checking.
--
Rick Brown
Sprint RS, R100RT
> My mate's been using then a while, first for his bandit and now his
> sprint. Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
>
What have you been quoted? Flitwick Motorcycles have quoted me £300 plus
parts for shim checking.
--
Rick Brown
Sprint RS, R100RT
Salad Dodger
Apr 4, 2013, 7:02:33 PM4/4/13
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Scraggy <scr...@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:55:24 +0100, Salad Dodger
> <salad....@idnet.com> wrote:
>
>> GL18 is every 16,000
>
> hahahahahahahahahahaha
I got some of the way there.
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:55:24 +0100, Salad Dodger
> <salad....@idnet.com> wrote:
>
>> GL18 is every 16,000
>
> hahahahahahahahahahaha
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ogden
Apr 6, 2013, 2:47:30 PM4/6/13
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boots wrote:
>
> On 6 Apr 2013 07:54:00 GMT in uk.rec.motorcycles, sweller says:
> >it cost me ?20.
>
> Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a bit
> more if the shims need adjusting.
Fuuuuuuuck me. That's obscene for a 12k service!
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ogden
990SMT - bouncy orange tractor
GSXR1000 - vintage sports-tourer
>
> On 6 Apr 2013 07:54:00 GMT in uk.rec.motorcycles, sweller says:
>
> >boots wrote:
> >
> >> Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
> >> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
> >
> >How much did they quote? I've just done them on my elderly Tiger and
> >boots wrote:
> >
> >> Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
> >> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
> >
> >it cost me ?20.
>
> Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a bit
> more if the shims need adjusting.
Fuuuuuuuck me. That's obscene for a 12k service!
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990SMT - bouncy orange tractor
GSXR1000 - vintage sports-tourer
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Apr 7, 2013, 8:46:00 AM4/7/13
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:40:13 +0100, boots <bo...@despammed.com> wrote:
>On 6 Apr 2013 07:54:00 GMT in uk.rec.motorcycles, sweller says:
>
>>boots wrote:
>>
>>> Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
>>> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
>>
>>How much did they quote? I've just done them on my elderly Tiger and
>>it cost me ?20.
>
>Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a bit
>more if the shims need adjusting.
Just found the bill for the CB13's 12k service - £193.
>On 6 Apr 2013 07:54:00 GMT in uk.rec.motorcycles, sweller says:
>
>>boots wrote:
>>
>>> Given the quote from triumph for shims on mine it might very
>>> well go there for that sometime after the MOT tomorrow.
>>
>>How much did they quote? I've just done them on my elderly Tiger and
>>it cost me ?20.
>
>Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a bit
>more if the shims need adjusting.
Beav
Apr 8, 2013, 8:53:39 AM4/8/13
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"sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ascj91...@mid.individual.net...
> ogden wrote:
>
>> > Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a
>> > bit more if the shims need adjusting.
>>
>> Fuuuuuuuck me. That's obscene for a 12k service!
>
> I think I'll stick with old snotters and servicing them myself.
>
>> > Just called the main agent. £550 - 600 for the 12K service maybe a
>> > bit more if the shims need adjusting.
>>
>> Fuuuuuuuck me. That's obscene for a 12k service!
>
Even fairly new snotters should be done at home. I checked the valve
clearances of my 2004 Zed 1000 at 20,000 miles and not one needed shimming,
but if they had, I'd have done 'em myself or got someone in to do them while
I sat watching and mithering the shit out of him.
A fuck ton of money for a service at 12,000 miles is fucking crazy.
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Bea
rick
Apr 8, 2013, 9:25:37 AM4/8/13
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shims I decided I'll do them myself. At least I'll know *exactly* what's
been done to the bike.
ogden
Apr 8, 2013, 9:30:03 AM4/8/13
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rick wrote:
>
> +1 on that. When Flitwick Motorcycles quoted me £300 + parts to do the
> shims I decided I'll do them myself. At least I'll know *exactly* what's
> been done to the bike.
...and that's exactly the reason I'll pay someone else to do it.
>
> +1 on that. When Flitwick Motorcycles quoted me £300 + parts to do the
> shims I decided I'll do them myself. At least I'll know *exactly* what's
> been done to the bike.
Mark Olson
Apr 8, 2013, 9:42:51 AM4/8/13
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service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/the-triumph-company/legal/warranty-terms-and-conditions
If so, that's a huge factor in deciding on a bike & a dealership
based on how often & how expensive the services are.
My '07 FJR has a five year factory warranty (expires next month) and
I've never taken it in for service. Done it all myself. It's coming
up on the 2nd valve shim check at 52k miles, so they're not all that
often if I did want to have a dealer do it. But here in Merkania,
we have the Magnusson-Moss act, which puts considerable restriction
on what conditions and exclusions are allowed in manufacturer's
warranties.
ogden
Apr 8, 2013, 9:55:43 AM4/8/13
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Mark Olson wrote:
>
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
It's usually a condition of the warranty that the bike (or car) is
>
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
serviced by a franchised dealer. There was an EU directive which
squashed that a few years ago, but there are pitfalls.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/warranty-servicing/
> This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
>
> http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/the-triumph-company/legal/warranty-terms-and-conditions
logged on their Dealernet system. Not sure how you'd get one logged if
it wasn't done at a franchised dealer.
To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
first few years of ownership.
> My '07 FJR has a five year factory warranty (expires next month) and
> I've never taken it in for service. Done it all myself. It's coming
> up on the 2nd valve shim check at 52k miles, so they're not all that
> often if I did want to have a dealer do it. But here in Merkania,
> we have the Magnusson-Moss act, which puts considerable restriction
> on what conditions and exclusions are allowed in manufacturer's
> warranties.
_regulations_and_guidelines.aspx
rick
Apr 8, 2013, 9:59:22 AM4/8/13
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On 08/04/2013 14:42, Mark Olson wrote:
>>> A fuck ton of money for a service at 12,000 miles is fucking crazy.
>>>
>>
>> +1 on that. When Flitwick Motorcycles quoted me £300 + parts to do the
>> shims I decided I'll do them myself. At least I'll know *exactly*
>> what's been done to the bike.
>
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
>
> http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/the-triumph-company/legal/warranty-terms-and-conditions
>
>
> If so, that's a huge factor in deciding on a bike & a dealership
> based on how often & how expensive the services are.
>
> My '07 FJR has a five year factory warranty (expires next month) and
> I've never taken it in for service. Done it all myself. It's coming
> up on the 2nd valve shim check at 52k miles, so they're not all that
> often if I did want to have a dealer do it. But here in Merkania,
> we have the Magnusson-Moss act, which puts considerable restriction
> on what conditions and exclusions are allowed in manufacturer's
> warranties.
>
>
My Triumph is an '02 so it's well out of any warranty. The previous
>>> A fuck ton of money for a service at 12,000 miles is fucking crazy.
>>>
>>
>> +1 on that. When Flitwick Motorcycles quoted me £300 + parts to do the
>> shims I decided I'll do them myself. At least I'll know *exactly*
>> what's been done to the bike.
>
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
>
> http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/the-triumph-company/legal/warranty-terms-and-conditions
>
>
> If so, that's a huge factor in deciding on a bike & a dealership
> based on how often & how expensive the services are.
>
> My '07 FJR has a five year factory warranty (expires next month) and
> I've never taken it in for service. Done it all myself. It's coming
> up on the 2nd valve shim check at 52k miles, so they're not all that
> often if I did want to have a dealer do it. But here in Merkania,
> we have the Magnusson-Moss act, which puts considerable restriction
> on what conditions and exclusions are allowed in manufacturer's
> warranties.
>
>
owner maintained the service record up to and including the 12k 'quite
biggie'. I've put another 12k on it so it's due the 24k 'very biggie'. I
can do everything, but the shims may mean taking it off the road for a
few days while I acquire the parts. I've been putting it off 'til I get
the use of a mates garage later in the year (rather spend the £300 on
new tyres and petrol).
Mark Olson
Apr 8, 2013, 10:42:24 AM4/8/13
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On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever bought three
new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too many old snotters
of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
My reasons for avoiding dealers are well documented on here and reeky. I
can afford the asking prices, but I have good reason not to trust the
quality of work I've been given, the few times I have taken bikes in for
service.
> http://www.bvrla.co.uk/Advice_and_Guidance/Motor_vehicle_block_exemption
> _regulations_and_guidelines.aspx
No direct mention of warranties on that page.
[1] A brace of Mitsubishi hatchbacks in the 80s and a Focus estate in '00.
[2] 81 GS450E, 81 KZ750E2, 01 SV650S, 07 FJR1300A.
[3] I've tried a number of times to remember all the cars I've owned and
I gave up. I could probably recall all the bikes, though.
> Mark Olson wrote:
> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> first few years of ownership.
Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> first few years of ownership.
on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever bought three
new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too many old snotters
of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
My reasons for avoiding dealers are well documented on here and reeky. I
can afford the asking prices, but I have good reason not to trust the
quality of work I've been given, the few times I have taken bikes in for
service.
> http://www.bvrla.co.uk/Advice_and_Guidance/Motor_vehicle_block_exemption
> _regulations_and_guidelines.aspx
No direct mention of warranties on that page.
[1] A brace of Mitsubishi hatchbacks in the 80s and a Focus estate in '00.
[2] 81 GS450E, 81 KZ750E2, 01 SV650S, 07 FJR1300A.
[3] I've tried a number of times to remember all the cars I've owned and
I gave up. I could probably recall all the bikes, though.
Percy Flage
Apr 8, 2013, 11:27:11 AM4/8/13
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On 02/04/2013 19:55, PipL wrote:
> though I'm shortening it to 5.
Even 5 miles between services would be pushing it.
--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
> On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:23:45 +0100, Kevin <spam...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
> Even a Guzzi has longer service intervals than that: over 6K for the 1200,
>
>> nice bikes but a 3.5k service interval on a modern tourer is ridiculous.
>
> though I'm shortening it to 5.
Even 5 miles between services would be pushing it.
--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
Andy B
Apr 8, 2013, 1:26:40 PM4/8/13
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ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
snip>
> I know KTM will flat refuse any warranty claim unless services have been
> logged on their Dealernet system. Not sure how you'd get one logged if
> it wasn't done at a franchised dealer.
>
I thought they had to honour the warranty if you could produce receipts
proving the work had been done by a qualified person and factory
approved parts had been used?
> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> first few years of ownership.
Exactly.
It's worth paying the money because even though you might win in the
circumstances I described above you'll be going to court to get the cash
and it's not worth the hassle.
snip>
> I know KTM will flat refuse any warranty claim unless services have been
> logged on their Dealernet system. Not sure how you'd get one logged if
> it wasn't done at a franchised dealer.
>
proving the work had been done by a qualified person and factory
approved parts had been used?
> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> first few years of ownership.
It's worth paying the money because even though you might win in the
circumstances I described above you'll be going to court to get the cash
and it's not worth the hassle.
The Older Gentleman
Apr 8, 2013, 1:33:43 PM4/8/13
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
No, it's not. You can't evade the Sale of Goods Act.
> Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
If you can prove it's been properly maintained, by a non-franchised
dealer, even by you, that's fne.
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Grimly Curmudgeon
Apr 8, 2013, 3:14:19 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:55:43 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike,
Does that include the pence?
>To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike,
Either that, or brolly dollies have a lucrative sideline.
ogden
Apr 8, 2013, 3:19:31 PM4/8/13
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PipL
Apr 8, 2013, 3:21:24 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:27:11 +0100, Percy Flage
<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>Even 5 miles between services would be pushing it.
I've never done the Petrol Muppet thing.
<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>Even 5 miles between services would be pushing it.
Oh. Hang on, yes I have.
--
Pip
Andy B
Apr 8, 2013, 6:00:17 PM4/8/13
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The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> > service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> > This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
>
> No, it's not. You can't evade the Sale of Goods Act.
>
> If you can prove it's been properly maintained, by a non-franchised
> dealer, even by you, that's fne.
Isn't that what I said earlier?
> Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Is it typical for manufacturer's warranties in the UK to require the
> > service be done by a licensed dealer or the warranty is invalidated?
> > This would appear to be the case with Triumph, at least:
>
> No, it's not. You can't evade the Sale of Goods Act.
>
> If you can prove it's been properly maintained, by a non-franchised
> dealer, even by you, that's fne.
The trouble is that the manufacturer/importer might play silly games and
you'll have to drag it through the courts.
davethedave
Apr 8, 2013, 4:49:05 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>> first few years of ownership.
>
> Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
> on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it
> probably exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever
> bought three new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too
> many old snotters of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
>
> My reasons for avoiding dealers are well documented on here and reeky. I
> can afford the asking prices, but I have good reason not to trust the
> quality of work I've been given, the few times I have taken bikes in for
> service.
You need a Lloyd Coopers, you do.
> On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>> first few years of ownership.
>
> Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
> on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it
> probably exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever
> bought three new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too
> many old snotters of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
>
> My reasons for avoiding dealers are well documented on here and reeky. I
> can afford the asking prices, but I have good reason not to trust the
> quality of work I've been given, the few times I have taken bikes in for
> service.
--
davethedave
Salad Dodger
Apr 8, 2013, 5:33:30 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
wrote:
>On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>> first few years of ownership.
>
>Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
>on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
>cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
>exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
78 TS185 £500
78 KH250 £350
79 Z750E £1,100
78 Z650C £325
85 Gpz750 £3,095
90 CBR1000 £4,750
97 GL1500 £13,250
79 TS250 £700
99 CBR1100 £6,950
76 KH500 £750
78 CBX £3,300
09 CB1300 £6,795
06 GL1800 £15,000
Just shy of £57K
A quarter of which was on the last Wing.
Half on both Wings. Hmmm.
That's going to leap quite a bit, too.
Hopefully.
wrote:
>On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>> first few years of ownership.
>
>Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
>on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
>cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
>exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
>[2] 81 GS450E, 81 KZ750E2, 01 SV650S, 07 FJR1300A.
Ooh.
78 TS185 £500
78 KH250 £350
79 Z750E £1,100
78 Z650C £325
85 Gpz750 £3,095
90 CBR1000 £4,750
97 GL1500 £13,250
79 TS250 £700
99 CBR1100 £6,950
76 KH500 £750
78 CBX £3,300
09 CB1300 £6,795
06 GL1800 £15,000
Just shy of £57K
A quarter of which was on the last Wing.
Half on both Wings. Hmmm.
That's going to leap quite a bit, too.
Hopefully.
Mark Olson
Apr 8, 2013, 5:57:47 PM4/8/13
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both you and TOG are saying about the Sale of Goods act. But I have to
agree with Andy- it might be cheaper to go along with their rule rather
than having to argue it in court. Which is exactly what they are thinking,
I am sure.
ogden
Apr 8, 2013, 6:16:47 PM4/8/13
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salad....@idnet.com wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
> >> Mark Olson wrote:
> >
> >> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> >> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> >> first few years of ownership.
> >
> >Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
> >on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
> >cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
> >exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
Well, obviously I meant five figures, getting the number of zeroes
>
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
> >> Mark Olson wrote:
> >
> >> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
> >> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
> >> first few years of ownership.
> >
> >Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
> >on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
> >cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
> >exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
muddled with the number of digits.
> >[2] 81 GS450E, 81 KZ750E2, 01 SV650S, 07 FJR1300A.
>
> Ooh.
>
> 78 TS185 £500
> 78 KH250 £350
> 79 Z750E £1,100
> 78 Z650C £325
> 85 Gpz750 £3,095
> 90 CBR1000 £4,750
> 97 GL1500 £13,250
> 79 TS250 £700
> 99 CBR1100 £6,950
> 76 KH500 £750
> 78 CBX £3,300
> 09 CB1300 £6,795
> 06 GL1800 £15,000
>
> Just shy of £57K
fair bit of value carried through. Another £14k on cars, though I've had
a tendency to run those into the ground.
--
ogden
Mark Olson
Apr 8, 2013, 6:22:08 PM4/8/13
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On 4/8/2013 5:16 PM, ogden wrote:
> salad....@idnet.com wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>>>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>>>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>>>> first few years of ownership.
>>>
>>> Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
>>> on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
>>> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
>>> exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
>
> Well, obviously I meant five figures, getting the number of zeroes
> muddled with the number of digits.
I knew that, but there's no way I'd miss the chance to take the piss.
> salad....@idnet.com wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:42:24 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/8/2013 8:55 AM, ogden wrote:
>>>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be honest, if you're going to blow six figures on a new bike, you
>>>> shouldn't balk at the thought of a few three-figure services during the
>>>> first few years of ownership.
>>>
>>> Indeed, if I owned a bike that cost six figures, I'd probably have a man
>>> on staff whose job it was to take care of it. If I added up the total
>>> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
>>> exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot
>
> Well, obviously I meant five figures, getting the number of zeroes
> muddled with the number of digits.
Thomas
Apr 8, 2013, 6:30:25 PM4/8/13
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:42:24 -0700, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> If I added up the total
> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
> exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever bought three
> new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too many old
> snotters of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
I'm pretty certain I'm under $80k for everything in the last 49 years.
> If I added up the total
> cost of every car and bike I've owned over the last ~40 years it probably
> exceeds six figures but not by a whole lot (I've only ever bought three
> new cars[1] and four new bikes)[2]. I've had far, far too many old
> snotters of both the two and four wheel persuasion, though.[3]
Dodge truck - $21k new
Ford truck - ? (prolly ~$2500)
Plymouth sedan - free (mom's)
Yamaha FJR - $18k new
BMW GS - $13k
Honda ST13 - $13k new
Honda ST11 - $8k new
BMW R100s - ~$2k
BSA 650 - $700 new
Kawasaki KLR - ?
Honda CX500 - ?
Honda 400 - ?
Honda 450 - ?
Honda 50 - ?
I think there was another bike in there, but I fergit.
I feel so inadequate, considering the stables of some here.
The Older Gentleman
Apr 9, 2013, 2:16:21 AM4/9/13
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> It seems a bit brash of Triumph to explicitly contravene in writing, what
> both you and TOG are saying about the Sale of Goods act. But I have to
> agree with Andy- it might be cheaper to go along with their rule rather
> than having to argue it in court. Which is exactly what they are thinking,
> I am sure.
Indeed. I once tackled Triumph about this myself. I said that if I'd
> It seems a bit brash of Triumph to explicitly contravene in writing, what
> both you and TOG are saying about the Sale of Goods act. But I have to
> agree with Andy- it might be cheaper to go along with their rule rather
> than having to argue it in court. Which is exactly what they are thinking,
> I am sure.
serviced the bike myself, and for some reason the seat failed (stitching
came undone - cover split, or whatever) then would they really refuse a
warranty claim when this failure was totally unrelated?
And they said they wouldn't.
The consumer laws are probably different in the US, but here the SOGA
over-rules everything.
The Older Gentleman
Apr 9, 2013, 2:16:21 AM4/9/13
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> I could probably recall all the bikes, though.
I can't. No way. Last time I tried was a few years ago and I got to
> I could probably recall all the bikes, though.
about 300.
Total expenditure? No idea. Probably north of £150k, though.
PipL
Apr 9, 2013, 5:53:44 AM4/9/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:16:21 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
>Indeed. I once tackled Triumph about this myself. I said that if I'd
>serviced the bike myself, and for some reason the seat failed (stitching
>came undone - cover split, or whatever) then would they really refuse a
>warranty claim when this failure was totally unrelated?
>
>And they said they wouldn't.
>
>The consumer laws are probably different in the US, but here the SOGA
>over-rules everything.
My guess is that it's to discourage people from taking the piss as much as
Gentleman) wrote:
>Indeed. I once tackled Triumph about this myself. I said that if I'd
>serviced the bike myself, and for some reason the seat failed (stitching
>came undone - cover split, or whatever) then would they really refuse a
>warranty claim when this failure was totally unrelated?
>
>And they said they wouldn't.
>
>The consumer laws are probably different in the US, but here the SOGA
>over-rules everything.
keeping their dealer network in business - if someone ham-fisted broke
something then it makes it easier to refuse.
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Pip
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Apr 9, 2013, 6:25:15 AM4/9/13
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Ben wrote:
> Mine is probably fairly small, since 1998 when I bought my first bike:
>
> Honda Civic Ł2600
> Ford Fiesta ST Ł10,000
> Peugeot 106 Ł600
> Peugeot 206 Ł7500 (new)
> Ford Focus Ł1500
> Ford Mondeo Ł7500
> VW Golf GTi Ł2500
>
> Cars: Ł32200
>
> Yamaha FZR400 Ł2000
> Suzuki SV650S Ł4300 (new)
> Suzuki GSX-R750 Ł5500
> Suzuki GSX-R1000 Ł6200
> Kawasaki ZX-10R Ł7400 (new)
> Suzuki GSX-R1000 Ł8000 (new)
> Suzuki Bandit 1250GT Ł5800 (new)
>
> Bikes: Ł39200
>
> Total: Ł71400
>
> But, as per Ogden, most were sold to fund the next one, although since
> the Peugeot 106 there's always been two cars.
I can't recall the exact amounts of all my vehicles, but I reckon I'm
about Ł20k nett down on bikes, Ł32k down on cars.
Although I currently have vehicular assets of ~Ł14k.
--
Chris
> Mine is probably fairly small, since 1998 when I bought my first bike:
>
> Honda Civic Ł2600
> Ford Fiesta ST Ł10,000
> Peugeot 106 Ł600
> Peugeot 206 Ł7500 (new)
> Ford Focus Ł1500
> Ford Mondeo Ł7500
> VW Golf GTi Ł2500
>
> Cars: Ł32200
>
> Yamaha FZR400 Ł2000
> Suzuki SV650S Ł4300 (new)
> Suzuki GSX-R750 Ł5500
> Suzuki GSX-R1000 Ł6200
> Kawasaki ZX-10R Ł7400 (new)
> Suzuki GSX-R1000 Ł8000 (new)
> Suzuki Bandit 1250GT Ł5800 (new)
>
> Bikes: Ł39200
>
> Total: Ł71400
>
> But, as per Ogden, most were sold to fund the next one, although since
> the Peugeot 106 there's always been two cars.
I can't recall the exact amounts of all my vehicles, but I reckon I'm
about Ł20k nett down on bikes, Ł32k down on cars.
Although I currently have vehicular assets of ~Ł14k.
--
Chris
Grimly Curmudgeon
Apr 11, 2013, 4:46:43 PM4/11/13
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>Total expenditure? No idea. Probably north of �150k, though.
>
Take that off the �500K received for parts.
>
The Older Gentleman
Apr 12, 2013, 8:29:02 AM4/12/13
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