Garage security
Champ
replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
Anyone got any recommendations?
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> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
> Anyone got any recommendations?
FOAD electric siren.
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Gavin
Gentleman) said:
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>
>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>
> FOAD electric siren.
Ages ago one of the bike mags had these ace things, like a mine that
you fill with paint, or shit, or acid or whatever that detonates on an
intrution.
The other was a device that fires two blank shotgun carts into the
floor. That should put off most people.
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Pete Fisher
<ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
>Anyone got any recommendations?
<long rambling answer mode>
I once was asked to do noise tests on an alarm fitted in a market hall
that was so loud that the markets superintendent was worried that it
might harm a scrote's (or more likely an unlucky trader's) hearing and
they could sue for damages.
It was impressively loud but not capable of permanent damage (except
perhaps to an unwary installing engineer) given its location.
Ideally you want the noise to be aversive as well as just loud but the
targets may be reasonably adult, so a hyper-mosquito is no good.
The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may be
difficult to achieve given you budget.
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Wicked Uncle Nigel
<gwilby...@stoof.co.uk> typed
>On 2009-12-31 00:00:07 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>Gentleman) said:
>
>> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>> FOAD electric siren.
>
>Ages ago one of the bike mags had these ace things, like a mine that
>you fill with paint, or shit, or acid or whatever that detonates on an
>intrution.
Which would somewhat fuck-up the garage contents that you're trying to
protect, no?
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mark
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
Masterblaster:
http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/intruder/bellboxes-sounders/master-blaster/pr
od_72.html
In a garage this is very loud ;)
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Leszek Karlik
<w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> Ages ago one of the bike mags had these ace things, like a mine that
>> you fill with paint, or shit, or acid or whatever that detonates on an
>> intrution.
>
> Which would somewhat fuck-up the garage contents that you're trying to
> protect, no?
There are smoke generators that supposedly leave no residue, but they're
not what I'd call "inexpensive".
And just rigging a cheap smoke bomb may require a bit of cleanup
afterwards. ;-)
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frag
says...
>
> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
> Anyone got any recommendations?
Get some ex Welsh Police. SteveH highly recommends them.
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Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
> Anyone got any recommendations?
Bee could probably set you up with something loud.
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Eiron
> In communiqu� <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
> <ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>
>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>
> <long rambling answer mode>
> I once was asked to do noise tests on an alarm fitted in a market hall
> that was so loud that the markets superintendent was worried that it
> might harm a scrote's (or more likely an unlucky trader's) hearing and
> they could sue for damages.
>
> It was impressively loud but not capable of permanent damage (except
> perhaps to an unwary installing engineer) given its location.
>
> Ideally you want the noise to be aversive as well as just loud but the
> targets may be reasonably adult, so a hyper-mosquito is no good.
>
> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may be
> difficult to achieve given you budget.
7Hz? That's a big single with an open pipe ticking over.
And if it didn't harm thousands of rockers in the fifties
it's hardly likely to deter a scrote.
How about a recording of Lily Allen?
--
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Catman
> Pete Fisher wrote:
>> In communiqu� <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>> <ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>>
>>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>>
>> <long rambling answer mode>
>> I once was asked to do noise tests on an alarm fitted in a market hall
>> that was so loud that the markets superintendent was worried that it
>> might harm a scrote's (or more likely an unlucky trader's) hearing and
>> they could sue for damages.
>>
>> It was impressively loud but not capable of permanent damage (except
>> perhaps to an unwary installing engineer) given its location.
>>
>> Ideally you want the noise to be aversive as well as just loud but the
>> targets may be reasonably adult, so a hyper-mosquito is no good.
>>
>> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may
>> be difficult to achieve given you budget.
>
> 7Hz? That's a big single with an open pipe ticking over.
It's not really, you know.
> And if it didn't harm thousands of rockers in the fifties
> it's hardly likely to deter a scrote.
> How about a recording of Lily Allen?
Well, *I* quite like her.
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Champ
wrote:
Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
alarm gubbins to trigger it.
I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
and c) inexpensive.
Krusty
> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
> Anyone got any recommendations?
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/92647/Security/Garage-Shed-Security/Shed-A
larms/Yale-Door-Window-Contact-Alarm would probably do the job,
especially as you could link it to another on the back door (although
that seemed pretty secure). It should be quite easy to make the
up-and-over door scrote proof though.
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Pete Fisher
>wrote:
>
>>In message <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>><ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>>
>>Masterblaster:
>>
>>http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/intruder/bellboxes-sounders/master-blaster/
>>prod_72.html
>>
>>In a garage this is very loud ;)
>
>Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
>alarm gubbins to trigger it.
>
>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>and c) inexpensive.
A useful bit of extra requirements analysis.
To be clarify, though, you are looking for something that will actually
cause the scrotes to vacate the area quickly, rather than to alert
neighbours or passers by. This is by far the best strategy, because
nobody usually takes any notice of alarms unless they are theirs.
It is going to have to be seriously unpleasant to dissuade determined
scrotes, and who knows whether they might have the presence of mind to
go armed with ear defenders as well as bolt cutters.
Is the garage within earshot of people who might be asleep? If so, the
DIY bit could prove potentially expensive in the long run. I would urge
you to ensure that there is some trusted person who could be contacted
in your absence to silence/reset/disable the device should it operate in
error. It could save you a visit from your local friendly EHO and a
sizeable bill.
Champ
>>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>>and c) inexpensive.
>
>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30579
>No idea if it's any good mind.
Yeah, there seem to be a number of cheap and cheerful systems out
there, but they're mostly battery operated (as that one is), and don't
appear to cope with the building having two entrances.
Tim
>replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
>Anyone got any recommendations?
Shotgun blank detonator type thing. See UKRMs passim.
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ginge
>
>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>and c) inexpensive.
Viz top tip: Steal a tiger from the zoo, keep it in the garage.
Krusty
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:45:41 +0000, Ben <b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> wrote:
>
> > > I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b)
> > > DIY-able and c) inexpensive.
> >
> > http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30579
>
> > No idea if it's any good mind.
>
> Yeah, there seem to be a number of cheap and cheerful systems out
> there, but they're mostly battery operated (as that one is), and don't
> appear to cope with the building having two entrances.
If you class 70 quid as inexpensive, I'd get a response & hook it up to
a multi-voltage mains adaptor (which you can do with pretty much any
battery operated kit btw). I had a couple of them for years at the old
house & couldn't fault them. Extra door contacts & PIRs are readily
available, so you could take it when you move & use it as a full
house/garage alarm.
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/60894/Security/Alarms/Burglar-Alarms/Respo
nse-SA1-Wire-Free-Burglar-Alarm
Eiron
> Eiron wrote:
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>> In communiqu� <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>>> <ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>>>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>>>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>>>
>>> <long rambling answer mode>
>>> I once was asked to do noise tests on an alarm fitted in a market
>>> hall that was so loud that the markets superintendent was worried
>>> that it might harm a scrote's (or more likely an unlucky trader's)
>>> hearing and they could sue for damages.
>>>
>>> It was impressively loud but not capable of permanent damage (except
>>> perhaps to an unwary installing engineer) given its location.
>>>
>>> Ideally you want the noise to be aversive as well as just loud but
>>> the targets may be reasonably adult, so a hyper-mosquito is no good.
>>>
>>> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may
>>> be difficult to achieve given you budget.
>>
>> 7Hz? That's a big single with an open pipe ticking over.
>
> It's not really, you know.
Are you sure? A four-stroke at 840 rpm, banging every other revolution
should have a significant component at 7Hz.
How about a recording of something fierce like two angry tigers?
--
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Pete Fisher
<b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>>><ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>>>
>>>Masterblaster:
>>>
>>>http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/intruder/bellboxes-sounders/master-blaster
>>>/prod_72.html
>>>
>>>In a garage this is very loud ;)
>>
>>Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
>>alarm gubbins to trigger it.
>>
>>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>>and c) inexpensive.
>
I had something similar here years ago. It certainly pissed the
neighbours off one night when it went haywire.
TBF, it might be useful in Champ's case where IIRC there may be some
sort of concierge available, who would actually respond quickly to
hearing the alarm.
Pete Fisher
<cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>Eiron wrote:
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may
>>>be difficult to achieve given you budget.
>> 7Hz? That's a big single with an open pipe ticking over.
>
>It's not really, you know.
Quite. In any case most of the infrasound weapon stories are not well
founded. Get the garage floor to vibrate at low frequency with
sufficient power level and you might be on to something.
Having said that, high levels of low frequency noise can be very
unpleasant. Being inside a compressor house full of FOAD V-twin
compressors isn't my idea of fun, but it wouldn't drive a thieving
scrote out.
>> And if it didn't harm thousands of rockers in the fifties
>> it's hardly likely to deter a scrote.
>> How about a recording of Lily Allen?
>
>Well, *I* quite like her.
>
>
Why, oh why?
Pete Fisher
<ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:45:41 +0000, Ben <b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> wrote:
>
>>>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>>>and c) inexpensive.
>>
>>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30579
>
>>No idea if it's any good mind.
>
>Yeah, there seem to be a number of cheap and cheerful systems out
>there, but they're mostly battery operated (as that one is), and don't
>appear to cope with the building having two entrances.
The one I had (from B&Q) used motion detection rather than a
door/window switch and had a mains adapter. I got it setup so that it
fired pretty well as soon as you opened the up and over front door, or
the conventional back door.
After the second time it went haywire and pissed the neighbours off
again I junked it.
Champ
<dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>If you class 70 quid as inexpensive, I'd get a response & hook it up to
>a multi-voltage mains adaptor (which you can do with pretty much any
>battery operated kit btw).
That seems do-able. I was hoping to spend less than 100 quid.
>I had a couple of them for years at the old
>house & couldn't fault them. Extra door contacts & PIRs are readily
>available, so you could take it when you move & use it as a full
>house/garage alarm.
>
>http://www.screwfix.com/prods/60894/Security/Alarms/Burglar-Alarms/Response-SA1-Wire-Free-Burglar-Alarm
OK, that's starting to look do-able.
mark
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
>alarm gubbins to trigger it.
No more than any other.
Panels are really cheap and I think you could manage one easily after
reading of your adventure with looms here :)
>
>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>and c) inexpensive.
You can buy complete wireless systems which are easy to install from
screwfix or maplins.
Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door but an IR
passive sensor would also trigger the alarm (which would be included).
The normal alarm sirens are a bit wimpy though.
You could easily swap for a master blaster later if you lose another
bike ;)
They only need a signal from the panel; they 240v supply to make the
noise ;)
--
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steve auvache
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
>Anyone got any recommendations?
Trouble is your actual typical casual scrote is exactly the type you
failed to have intimate contact with just recently and no amount of
electronic security is/would have/did protect you against that.
If though you are talking about someone doing a break in and intending
to have it away with your pride and joy in the back of a refrigerated
van then no amount of electronic security will protect you against that
either.
The best way is to stop them gaining entry in the first place.
A dummy bell case may deter some of them but not others. Reinforced
doors will slow them down long enough that those with a low boredom
threshold will fuck off leaving you with your chattels untouched and a
bill for minor damage to the door but will only act as an incentive to
the more determined. Once they are inside you can only try to deafen
and blind them and draw the attention of your neighbours.
Having accepted the fact that while you may deter the casual scrote you
will still lose something to the less casual types you will have to
invest in more than the standard motion detector+klaxon solution. For
this you have to live with the knowledge that despite your best efforts
some of your stuff may get nicked but you then take measures to improve
the chances of recovery.
Collection of DNA would be one solution to the above, although needing a
little lateral thinking and a Tory gummint to implement without the fear
of prosecution. Another route is to gather video evidence. 2 cameras,
one pointing out and the other in, situated down low so you stand half a
chance of getting a good mug shot and feeding into safe storage
somewhere in The Cloud is the way to go for this one. And you can
always fit gps locators to the very special stuff.
The fourth and probably the most likely way to succeed in this day and
age is to pay the thieving cunts protection money. A modest stipend paid
by direct debit to the account they use for their dole cheques,
disability and school attendance allowance paid into should suffice.
Finally you could always try joining with Hog to change society so that
those who behave in that way in the first place may be "re-educated"
such that they would never do it ever again.
Oh look, a multi-layer set of solutions to your problem.
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mark
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:45:41 +0000, Ben <b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> wrote:
>
>>>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>>>and c) inexpensive.
>>
>>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30579
>
>>No idea if it's any good mind.
>
>Yeah, there seem to be a number of cheap and cheerful systems out
>there, but they're mostly battery operated (as that one is), and don't
>appear to cope with the building having two entrances.
You usually need to decide which entrance is the one you enter to turn
the alarm off or have a delay that gives you enough time to cross to the
panel to turn it off.
Http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Contr
ol-Panels/Honeywell-ADE-burglar-alarm-panels/Logic-6-Compact-Control-Pane
l--LGSIX01.asp
Just touch a little fob to the panel to turn it on and off.
Needs a fused 240v supply to power it.
You need a back up battery for it:
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Burglar-Ala
rm-Batteries/24ah-12v-Back-Up-Battery-For-Burglar-Alarm-Control-Panels-AB
21.asp
I'd fit a couple of IR sensors to cover both doors:
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Burglar-Ala
rm-PIRs-And-Detectors/ADE-Burglar-Alarm-PIR-Detectors/ADE-Activ8-standard
-PIR-8IR103.asp
and then a siren to scare em off:
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Burglar-Ala
rm-Accessories/Quadruple-Piezo-Sound-Bomb-or-internal-sounder-SB2.asp
You can also get these:
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Burglar-Ala
rm-Communicators/GJD-Programmable-GSM-Autodialer-HYL005.asp
A roll of cable and some clips and you're off ;)
Thats all fairly good stuff that will come with proper instructions in
english ;)
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steve auvache
<ma...@martem.demon.co.uk> writes
>Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door
Piece of piss. Reed switch on the floor, magnet on the door. Job done.
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Nige
> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>
> Anyone got any recommendations?
I should be able to find you a very loud sounder type thingy that will scare
most idiots shitless & will get heard a good distance away.
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"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:kjuoj59lio3946lcm...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:21:17 +0000, mark <ma...@martem.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>In message <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>><ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>>
>>Masterblaster:
>>
>>http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/intruder/bellboxes-sounders/master-blaster/prod_72.html
>>
>>In a garage this is very loud ;)
>
> Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
> alarm gubbins to trigger it.
>
> I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
> and c) inexpensive.
A Rottweiler and a bag of kibble then.
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Champ
wrote:
>You usually need to decide which entrance is the one you enter to turn
>the alarm off or have a delay that gives you enough time to cross to the
>panel to turn it off.
That's the problem - both get used equally. Because of the slightly
odd layout of the building, I enter the personnel door from one access
point, and leave on a bike using the up & over door to a completely
different street. On return the process is reversed. So I need a
system that can be armed & disarmed from either entrance.
<snip loads of useful detail>
Ah, that all looks good. I'll peruse at my leisure. Many thanks.
Champ
<plus...@live.invalid.co.uk> wrote:
>>A Rottweiler and a bag of kibble then.
>For better effect, a Rottweiler and half a bag of kibble.
What is kibble? Is it some northern thing?
Champ
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>The best way is to stop them gaining entry in the first place.
Sure, and I'm taking significant steps to do that. Think of it as a
belt and braces
>Oh look, a multi-layer set of solutions to your problem.
I'm indebted.
Champ
wrote:
>Champ wrote:
>> I want to put some sort of alarm in my garage when the door gets
>> replaced. Something not too expensive, but which will make enough
>> noise to deter the typical casual scrote.
>>
>> Anyone got any recommendations?
>I should be able to find you a very loud sounder type thingy that will scare
>most idiots shitless & will get heard a good distance away.
Cheers, but I'll also need a system to trigger it. Tho other posts
have provided useful info on that score.
Jeweller
magnet and sensor in place.
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steve auvache
<dgho...@GEEmail.com> writes
>steve auvache wrote:
>> In article <tPTObjB8...@martem.demon.co.uk>, mark
>> <ma...@martem.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door
>>
>> Piece of piss. Reed switch on the floor, magnet on the door. Job done.
>>
>>
>'S no good when they cut a hole in the fucking door though and leave the
>magnet and sensor in place.
Show a complete lack of imagination, please do.
I love you naysayers I really do but I can't be arsed to waste my time
educating you these days so just fuck off and grow some brains.
--
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Catman
Yes, but not a 7hz sine wave, which is what you 'need'
cf brown noise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
>
> How about a recording of something fierce like two angry tigers?
That should loosen the bowels :)
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> In communiqu� <hhhqf5$fu9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Catman
> <cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> Eiron wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may
>>>> be difficult to achieve given you budget.
>>> 7Hz? That's a big single with an open pipe ticking over.
>>
>> It's not really, you know.
>
> Quite. In any case most of the infrasound weapon stories are not well
> founded. Get the garage floor to vibrate at low frequency with
> sufficient power level and you might be on to something.
Yes. Your garage roof coming down, for example.
>
> Having said that, high levels of low frequency noise can be very
> unpleasant. Being inside a compressor house full of FOAD V-twin
> compressors isn't my idea of fun, but it wouldn't drive a thieving
> scrote out.
>
>>> And if it didn't harm thousands of rockers in the fifties
>>> it's hardly likely to deter a scrote.
>>> How about a recording of Lily Allen?
>>
>> Well, *I* quite like her.
>>
>>
>
> Why, oh why?
Would I want to be anywhere else?
mark
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> writes
They can play up due tot he slightly wavy nature of garage doors
though.....
--
Mark Roberts
Champ
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:12:02 +0000, mark <ma...@martem.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
><snip loads of useful detail>
>
>Ah, that all looks good. I'll peruse at my leisure. Many thanks.
And I did, and it seems I can put together exactly what I want for a
good price. Many thanks, Mark.
Champ
wrote:
>>> Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door
>> Piece of piss. Reed switch on the floor, magnet on the door. Job done.
>'S no good when they cut a hole in the fucking door though and leave the
>magnet and sensor in place.
S'ok, only South Wales police use that MO.
Krusty
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:13:35 +0000, Jeweller <dgho...@GEEmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>> Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door
>
> >> Piece of piss. Reed switch on the floor, magnet on the door. Job
> done.
>
> > 'S no good when they cut a hole in the fucking door though and
> > leave the magnet and sensor in place.
>
> S'ok, only South Wales police use that MO.
I wouldn't put it past them to nip over the border into the midlands.
steve auvache
<ma...@martem.demon.co.uk> writes
Roller shutter and up and over doors have always been considered a weak
point in perimeter security by the Alarm Industry, which is why any
security system worth its name usually has some form of space protection
immediately after one.
--
steve auvache
SteveH
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:13:35 +0000, Jeweller <dgho...@GEEmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>> Door contact is a bit of a pain on an up and over garage door
>
> >> Piece of piss. Reed switch on the floor, magnet on the door. Job done.
>
> >'S no good when they cut a hole in the fucking door though and leave the
> >magnet and sensor in place.
>
> S'ok, only South Wales police use that MO.
Ahhh, no, it was Gwent police. Who are apparently the better of the
forces down here.
I can only assume that S. Wales police would have 'blown the bloody door
off', then.
--
SteveH
darsy
who'd have thought that Auvache would share a policy with Ronald
Reagan...
--
d.
Pip Luscher
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:13:37 +0000, Pip Luscher
><plus...@live.invalid.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>A Rottweiler and a bag of kibble then.
>
>>For better effect, a Rottweiler and half a bag of kibble.
>
>What is kibble? Is it some northern thing?
I've personally never seen it but AFAIK it's a dog food or constituent
thereof.
I always used to think it was of American origin, actually.
--
-Pip
Pip Luscher
"Star doors" defence system.
--
-Pip
Champ
<plus...@live.invalid.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Roller shutter and up and over doors have always been considered a weak
>>>point in perimeter security by the Alarm Industry, which is why any
>>>security system worth its name usually has some form of space protection
>>>immediately after one.
>>
>>who'd have thought that Auvache would share a policy with Ronald
>>Reagan...
>"Star doors" defence system.
Go to your room.
--
Champ
We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed.
darsy
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:52:24 +0000, Pip Luscher
><plus...@live.invalid.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>Roller shutter and up and over doors have always been considered a weak
>>>>point in perimeter security by the Alarm Industry, which is why any
>>>>security system worth its name usually has some form of space protection
>>>>immediately after one.
>>>
>>>who'd have thought that Auvache would share a policy with Ronald
>>>Reagan...
>
>>"Star doors" defence system.
>
>Go to your room.
hahah.
--
d.
geoff
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> writes
>In communiqu� <kjuoj59lio3946lcm...@4ax.com>, Champ
><ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:21:17 +0000, mark <ma...@martem.demon.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <qtpnj5d5gcnestc66...@4ax.com>, Champ
>>><ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>>>
>>>Masterblaster:
>>>
>>>http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/intruder/bellboxes-sounders/master-blaster/
>>>prod_72.html
>>>
>>>In a garage this is very loud ;)
>>
>>Cool, thanks. A bit pricey tho, and I guess it needs a whole lot of
>>alarm gubbins to trigger it.
>>
>>I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>>and c) inexpensive.
>
>
>To be clarify, though, you are looking for something that will actually
>cause the scrotes to vacate the area quickly, rather than to alert
>neighbours or passers by. This is by far the best strategy, because
>nobody usually takes any notice of alarms unless they are theirs.
>
>It is going to have to be seriously unpleasant to dissuade determined
>scrotes, and who knows whether they might have the presence of mind to
>go armed with ear defenders as well as bolt cutters.
>
I have eight of these
http://cpc.farnell.com/_/vsb2/sound-bomb-ii/dp/SR00196
wired in parallel and attached to a PIR detector which I modified to
keep going for 5 minutes after being triggered
The sound gets physically inside your head and you really want to be
somewhere else - it hurts
--
geoff
geoff
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:12:02 +0000, mark <ma...@martem.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>You usually need to decide which entrance is the one you enter to turn
>>the alarm off or have a delay that gives you enough time to cross to the
>>panel to turn it off.
>
>That's the problem - both get used equally.
Then you need a centrally placed security pad with sufficient delay to
walk in / out
You are then talking about a semi pro system
This sort of thing
http://cpc.farnell.com/scantronic/09651uk-00/8-zone-metal-alarm-panel-wit
h-lcd/dp/SR06195
plenty of accessories there too, and tends to be cheaper than maplin
>Because of the slightly
>odd layout of the building, I enter the personnel door from one access
>point, and leave on a bike using the up & over door to a completely
>different street. On return the process is reversed. So I need a
>system that can be armed & disarmed from either entrance.
>
><snip loads of useful detail>
>
>Ah, that all looks good. I'll peruse at my leisure. Many thanks.
>
>
--
geoff
Richard Smith
"Pete Fisher" <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TTVDTMED...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk...
>
> TBF, it might be useful in Champ's case where IIRC there may be some sort
> of concierge available, who would actually respond quickly to hearing the
> alarm.
YM "nurse".
Champ
>>>You usually need to decide which entrance is the one you enter to turn
>>>the alarm off or have a delay that gives you enough time to cross to the
>>>panel to turn it off.
>>
>>That's the problem - both get used equally.
>
>Then you need a centrally placed security pad with sufficient delay to
>walk in / out
>
>You are then talking about a semi pro system
>
>This sort of thing
>
>http://cpc.farnell.com/scantronic/09651uk-00/8-zone-metal-alarm-panel-wit
>h-lcd/dp/SR06195
>
>plenty of accessories there too, and tends to be cheaper than maplin
brilliant - many thanks.
--
Champ
We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed.
Simian
> The nuclear option is allegedly stupendous amplitude at 7Hz, but may
>
Wasn't 7Hz the Tesla bowel loosening frequency?
Charlie
As it happens my kids were watching 'Mythbusters' yesterday, in which
this theory was thoroughly debunked. There is no 'brown note'.
Simian
Teslas' was a vibrating platform / chair, not a note as such.
Eiron
But low frequencies at moderate levels can make you feel sick in a short
time,
as I found when tuning the port on a bass-reflex enclosure.
One of these would be better: http://www.earthquakesound.com/q10b.htm
--
Eiron.
F Murtz
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:19:34 +0000, Champ<ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm really looking for a whole system which is a) simpe, b) DIY-able
>> and c) inexpensive.
>
Keep loose snakes.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
saying something like:
>> Viz top tip: Steal a tiger from the zoo, keep it in the garage.
>
>
>Keep loose snakes.
"Oh, I have a Cobra in the garage," in earshot of hoodies.