Double Fatal in Camberley
JP Davis
double bike fatal. Car came round a bend on wet road and lost control
glancing into another car coming the other way before sliding sideways
and hitting a Rebel 125 coming the other way. Both rider and pillion
were killed - rider instantly and female pillion after attempts by
police to resusitate failed. Car driver had facial injuries only.
Speed of car was very excessive (in the region of 60mph) for the 30
limit. Bike and rider/pillion were pushed back by the car
approximately 20 yards in the direction they had come from after the
impact. Bike rider was an 18 year old learner rider. Pillion was his
18 year old girlfriend.
Sympathy for families of both killed.
"JP" Davis
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Paul Brian
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> Sympathy for families of both killed.
Indeed.
And I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
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> JP Davis <jphl...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:382e6eb...@news.clara.net...
>
> > Sympathy for families of both killed.
>
> Indeed.
>
> And I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
Too true. Too many fuck wit car drivers in Camberley whose idea of fun is to
drive round and round the town centre and nearby streets as fast as
possible.
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Simon Weller
>
> What was the guy doing carrying a pillion if he hadn't passed his test,
> one wonders.
Same as we all did, taking his girlfriend out on the town, or to a quieter
spot. . .
In the current blame culture (i.e. shift as much blame on to someone else)
would the car driver's lawyers be able to argue, that because the rider had
an unauthorised pillion he has to shoulder some of the blame.
(I know if the car driver had been in control the crash wouldn't have
happened, just I have a sneaky feeling the driver of the car won't be seeing
the inside of HMP).
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Dr Andrew O'Brien
> JP Davis <jphl...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:382e6eb...@news.clara.net...
>
> > Sympathy for families of both killed.
Deepest sympathies
>
> Indeed.
>
> And I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
Oh no, they will tell him how unfortunate he was to have been hit by a
bike, whilst sliding his car. It will probably end up with the 'poor'
car driver getting counselling and claiming for PTSD [1] from his
insurance. The bike rider and pillion probably won't even get named in
the paper.
A tragic loss of young lives.
[1] Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
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steve
>
>In the current blame culture (i.e. shift as much blame on to someone else)
>would the car driver's lawyers be able to argue, that because the rider had
>an unauthorised pillion he has to shoulder some of the blame.
>
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JP Davis
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>JP Davis <jphl...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
<SNIP>
>Not nice.
>
>What was the guy doing carrying a pillion if he hadn't passed his test,
>one wonders.
Probably just taking a calculated risk and not reckoning on some idiot
who is hacking it just because he wants to get home to watch some
telly. Car driver was a British Airways worker on his way home.
>
>Would they have survived if the car hadn't been speeding....
Quite probably - knowing the area and the scene of the accident, they
would have had time to react, and the impact speed would have been
slight. As it was, even though they were doing 30 mph, they would have
just been faced with a car emerging from round the corner, at
considerable speed, sideways and on the wrong side of the bend. And at
somewhere near the speed limit, the car would have made it round the
corner. The driver had made no allowance for shitty road conditions -
nice fine mist rain had been falling for hours and the roads were wet
after a considerable dry period.
>
>What happened to the rider of the 125 Rebel?
Still attached to the bike when Police arrived. He was wearing a BMW
system 3 helmet and the front had come off in the initial impact (it
wasnt closed properly). When they were pushed backwards, he was face
down. Skull caved in.
>
>Poor bastard police, having to attend that one. Sometimes they *really*
>earn their salaries.
Agreed. First officer who arrived spent 10 minutes trying to
resusitate the female until the ambulance appeared.
I will post more as I find out.
>
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Bastard Bear
JP Davis wrote:
>
> About 1130pm last nigh in Upper Park Street Camberley there was a
> double bike fatal. Car came round a bend on wet road and lost control
> glancing into another car coming the other way before sliding sideways
> and hitting a Rebel 125 coming the other way. Both rider and pillion
> were killed - rider instantly and female pillion after attempts by
> police to resusitate failed. Car driver had facial injuries only.
> Speed of car was very excessive (in the region of 60mph) for the 30
> limit. Bike and rider/pillion were pushed back by the car
> approximately 20 yards in the direction they had come from after the
> impact. Bike rider was an 18 year old learner rider. Pillion was his
> 18 year old girlfriend.
> Sympathy for families of both killed.
I try so hard not to get angry. But I do. Very.
Full sympathies to the families.
Shawn said "he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars, yes?" But,
let's face it. He wont.
--
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JP Davis
<joh...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
<SNIP>
>> Sympathy for families of both killed.
>
>I try so hard not to get angry. But I do. Very.
So do I mate - so do I.
>
>Full sympathies to the families.
>
>Shawn said "he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars, yes?" But,
>let's face it. He wont.
>--
You`re right, he wont. Although the Police would dearly love to screw
him for a dangerous driving and get him locked up, the evidence points
to a careless driving. A lot is going to depend on what the driver
says when he`s interviewed. He`s only got to come up with the "black
dog ran out on me!" theory and some smartarsed lawyer will even try
and argue that one away.
Earl Grey
> double bike fatal. Car came round a bend on wet road and lost control
> glancing into another car coming the other way before sliding sideways
> and hitting a Rebel 125 coming the other way. Both rider and pillion
> were killed - rider instantly and female pillion after attempts by
> police to resusitate failed. Car driver had facial injuries only.
> Speed of car was very excessive (in the region of 60mph) for the 30
> limit. Bike and rider/pillion were pushed back by the car
> approximately 20 yards in the direction they had come from after the
> impact. Bike rider was an 18 year old learner rider. Pillion was his
> 18 year old girlfriend.
Sympathy to the families.
I used to live in Camberley, reading this makes me stop and think -
murdering bastards have been doing the Camberley lap for as long as I
remember. It could have very easily have been myself, several years ago.
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JP Davis
<gr...@removeuce.miesta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<SNIP>
>> Sympathy for families of both killed.
>
>Sympathy to the families.
>
>I used to live in Camberley, reading this makes me stop and think -
>murdering bastards have been doing the Camberley lap for as long as I
>remember. It could have very easily have been myself, several years ago.
The driver of the car, surprisingly, wasnt one of the "Camberley
Cruisers". He was a British Airways worker on his way home from a late
shift and just because he plays silly buggers, two young people end up
dead.
Pete Joules
<jphl...@clara.co.uk> writes
>You`re right, he wont. Although the Police would dearly love to screw
>him for a dangerous driving and get him locked up, the evidence points
>to a careless driving. A lot is going to depend on what the driver
>says when he`s interviewed. He`s only got to come up with the "black
>dog ran out on me!" theory and some smartarsed lawyer will even try
>and argue that one away.
Surely common sense says that going round a bend at 60 in a 30 in bad
conditions shows intent? I realise, however, that this is where that
opinions of the courts and the CPS may well be at variance with my
perception of common sense.
This must be an example of one of the more frustrating parts of your
job.
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Neal Champion
>He`s only got to come up with the "black dog ran out on me!" theory and ...
I actually used that one when I was interviewed by the copper
investigating why I'd rolled my car [1]. He looked at the ceiling,
looked at me, then wrote it down. I heard nothing more.
[1] My first car, a couple of months after I passed my test
[2] a very dodgy Renault 5
[3] Particularly since I'd banged it against a kerb negotiatng a
roundabout and bent the axle such that only half the left rear tyre
was touching the road. Which is why I lost it on a 60mph right
hander. Rolled 3 times and came to rest upside down. I calmly
unstrapped, brushed the broken glass off me and got out. The
occupants of the cars following me stopped and ran around like
headless chickens shouting 'Fire', 'Police', 'Ambulance'. All I could
think was 'That hurts a fuck of a lot less than crashing a bike'[4]
[4] By the time I got my car license, I'd crashed a lot of bikes.....
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Dave Champney
wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:09:47 +0000, Bastard Bear
><joh...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
><SNIP>
>>> Sympathy for families of both killed.
Ditto
>You`re right, he wont. Although the Police would dearly love to screw
>him for a dangerous driving and get him locked up, the evidence points
>to a careless driving.
How is this possible? OK I'l admit it, I don't understand the law
but... just by definition of the words careless should mean a minor
slip of concentration or misjudgement and dangerous should mean
driving in a way you knew, or should have known, was dangerous. Double
the speed limit? in a 30 zone? wet roads? The idiot should get
manslaughter at the very least grrrrrrr
--
Dave Champney
Dr Andrew O'Brien
> In article <1e19fj3.hftm8co0d4w0N%YZF...@NoSpam.surg.demon.co.uk>, Dr
> Andrew O'Brien <YZF...@NoSpam.surg.demon.co.uk> writes
> >Paul Brian <pa...@plymouth-argyle.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> JP Davis <jphl...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:382e6eb...@news.clara.net...
> >>
> >> > Sympathy for families of both killed.
> >
> >Deepest sympathies
> >>
> >> Indeed.
> >>
> >> And I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
> >
> >Oh no, they will tell him how unfortunate he was to have been hit by a
> >bike, whilst sliding his car. It will probably end up with the 'poor'
> >car driver getting counselling and claiming for PTSD [1] from his
> >insurance. The bike rider and pillion probably won't even get named in
> >the paper.
>
> This is the sort of reasoning my parents use to 'justify' their argument
> that bikes are 'dangerous' as they haven't got metal around them to
> protect the rider from fuckwits like that.
>
> I would say that the bike is vulnerable and the idiot in the car
> dangerous. Unfortunately until, or unless, the general public attitude
> can be changed they are unlikely to start locking the fuckwits up :(
Car drivers who hit bikes should be prosecuted more often. It seems that
we hear so many tales where a biker has been hit, but the car driver
gets away with it. Yet, how often do we read of "bad boy bikers" in the
press. It seems to encourage car drivers to think that "oh, it's only a
biker"
I saw an excellent sticker on the rear of a bike the other day, rather
similar in design to the "Caution, Baby on Board" ones. It read
"Caution, My Daddy on Board". Anyone seen one like this before? Wonder
where he got it from?
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steve
>On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:40:21 GMT, jphl...@clara.co.uk (JP Davis)
>wrote:
>
>>Probably just taking a calculated risk and not reckoning on some idiot
>>who is hacking it just because he wants to get home to watch some
>
>What a cunt. I'd expected this to have been caused by an effing
>joyrider [1] (though they should be strung up by the balls anyway),
>but to be wiped out by some stupid bastard just on his way home in a
>hurry...... what a cunt the man is.
>
>[1] I agree with Steve on this term - they neither cause nor bring any
>joy to anyone. They are nothing less than scummy thieving wankers.
>
Then call him/her a thieving cunt and have done with it.
and DO NOT allow uncommented use of the word.
Veggie Dave
RIP
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>
> Paul Brian <pa...@plymouth-argyle.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:942573509.24311.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
> > news:382e6eb...@news.clara.net...
> >
> > > Sympathy for families of both killed.
> >
> >
> > And I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key.
>
> drive round and round the town centre and nearby streets as fast as
> possible.
>
I was down that way recently and noticed they have *large* reminders to
give way on the roundabouts.
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>
> On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:46:34 GMT, jphl...@clara.co.uk (JP Davis)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:09:47 +0000, Bastard Bear
> ><joh...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> ><SNIP>
>
>
> >You`re right, he wont. Although the Police would dearly love to screw
> >him for a dangerous driving and get him locked up, the evidence points
> >to a careless driving.
>
> How is this possible? OK I'l admit it, I don't understand the law
> but... just by definition of the words careless should mean a minor
> slip of concentration or misjudgement and dangerous should mean
> driving in a way you knew, or should have known, was dangerous. Double
> the speed limit? in a 30 zone? wet roads? The idiot should get
> manslaughter at the very least grrrrrrr
>
Before we get to carried away with kill speeding c*r drivers , stop and
think how fast we all go round bends , have non of us *ever* taken you
too fast and hand to grapple the beast round a bend (sometimes drifting
on to the other carriage way ?) ?
We all speed at times , some more than others . The fact of the matter
is the c*r driver ws incompetant and unable to control his vehicle.
Bastard Bear
steve wrote:
>
> Simon Weller <swe...@mistral.co.uk> Simon Weller wrote
> >
> >In the current blame culture (i.e. shift as much blame on to someone else)
> >would the car driver's lawyers be able to argue, that because the rider had
> >an unauthorised pillion he has to shoulder some of the blame.
> >
> Yes they would regardless of the blame. It is their job after all.
Which is why lawyers are rightly regarded as vermin.
--
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jphl...@clara.co.uk (JP Davis) wrote:
> About 1130pm last nigh in Upper Park Street Camberley there was a
> double bike fatal.
Sometimes one thinks it's a sad, cruel world.
Then shit like this happens.
I would never have survived this when I was 18.
The only justice comes if you believe in an afterlife of some sort.
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JP Davis
<snogfest_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Sometimes one thinks it's a sad, cruel world.
>Then shit like this happens.
>
>I would never have survived this when I was 18.
>
>The only justice comes if you believe in an afterlife of some sort.
Going past the scene last night there were in the region of 150 to 200
bunches of flowers laid on the pavement along with about 100 lit
candles. Very moving and in some ways makes it even worse by showing
that they were much loved by many. Their names were released today as
Mark Webb aged 18 from Toulouse Close in Camberley
Gemma Penny aged 18 from Camberley.
Both were at college and had been going out together for about 2
years.
Rick Sterry
<URL:mailto:ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> jphl...@clara.co.uk (JP Davis) did tap out :
>
> >He`s only got to come up with the "black dog ran out on me!" theory and ...
>
> I actually used that one when I was interviewed by the copper
> investigating why I'd rolled my car [1]. He looked at the ceiling,
> looked at me, then wrote it down. I heard nothing more.
>
> [1] My first car, a couple of months after I passed my test
> [2] a very dodgy Renault 5
> [3] Particularly since I'd banged it against a kerb negotiatng a
> roundabout and bent the axle such that only half the left rear tyre
> was touching the road. Which is why I lost it on a 60mph right
> hander. Rolled 3 times and came to rest upside down. I calmly
> unstrapped, brushed the broken glass off me and got out. The
> occupants of the cars following me stopped and ran around like
> headless chickens shouting 'Fire', 'Police', 'Ambulance'. All I could
> think was 'That hurts a fuck of a lot less than crashing a bike'[4]
> [4] By the time I got my car license, I'd crashed a lot of bikes.....
>
> The Real Neal Champion
There appears to be a habit[1], developing within this newsgroup[2], for
posters[3], to use footnotes[4], within their postings[5]. Is this just a
fad[6]?
[1] tendency to perform certain actions[7]
[2] discussion group on the internet[8]
[3] someone who submits an article to a newsgroup[8]
[4] a note or reference at the foot of a page[7]
[5] an article submitted to a newsgroup.[8]
[6] a weak or transient hobby[7]
[7] source Chambers 20th century dictionary[9]
[8] The complete practical guide to the Internet
[9] Does this mean my dictionary is not Y2K compliant?
(Attributed to one Bernard Ramsden)
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<SNIP>
> There appears to be a habit[1], developing within this newsgroup[2], for
> posters[3], to use footnotes[4], within their postings[5]. Is this just a
> fad[6]?
>
> [1] tendency to perform certain actions[7]
> [2] discussion group on the internet[8]
> [3] someone who submits an article to a newsgroup[8]
> [4] a note or reference at the foot of a page[7]
> [5] an article submitted to a newsgroup.[8]
> [6] a weak or transient hobby[7]
> [7] source Chambers 20th century dictionary[9]
> [8] The complete practical guide to the Internet
> [9] Does this mean my dictionary is not Y2K compliant?
In my limited[1] experience[2] of this ng, footnotes[3] can come if five
basic flavours[4]. There is the basic footnote, which you seem to have
mastered[5], and the incestuous footnote, that is a footnote referring
to another footnote. There is also the missing footnote[8] often caused
by being to clever[9], and the orphan footnote, which you meant to
reference but forgot, and last but not least the recursive10] footnote.
Often occurs as a result of an incestuous footnote getting out of
control.
If things get complicated a good athletes foot powder will help.
[1] Restricted.
[2] The root of pertus experienced.
[3] Notes adressed to ones feet.
[5] Like cherry and strawberry.
[6] To gain the command of, so as to understand or apply; to become an
adept[7] in; as, to master a science.
[7] One fully skilled or well versed in anything.
[9] Adept[6]
[10] of or relating to a recursion[10].
[20] Alas poor Yorrich.
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> Which is why lawyers are rightly regarded as vermin.
HEY!
Don't you go bad-mouthing vermin, buddy.
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> There appears to be a habit[1], developing within this newsgroup[2], for
> posters[3], to use footnotes[4], within their postings[5]. Is this just a
> fad[6]?
"...appears to be..."
"...developing..."
Umm... Rick? What color is the sky in your world?
This has been going on here for years, and is
generally attributed to Alan Frame [1], although
I thought Dr. Ivan Reid really got it started.
Somebody just *isn't* paying attention.
[1] DYF!
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Dave Champney
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Dave Champney wrote:
<snip>
>> The idiot should get
>> manslaughter at the very least grrrrrrr
>Before we get to carried away with kill speeding c*r drivers , stop and
>think how fast we all go round bends , have non of us *ever* taken you
>too fast and hand to grapple the beast round a bend (sometimes drifting
>on to the other carriage way ?) ?
>
>We all speed at times , some more than others . The fact of the matter
>is the c*r driver ws incompetant and unable to control his vehicle.
If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
fast.
Its actually got feck all to do with whether the driver was
incompetant or not. If the driver had scraped round the bend merely
scaring the oncoming bike it still wouldn't have been alright...
suppose you'd been crossing the road on your way home from the pub for
example, or turning out of a side road? Controlling the vehicle doesnt
make it OK.
--
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steve
><fuset...@thecow.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>[1] I agree with Steve on this term - they neither cause nor bring any
>>>joy to anyone. They are nothing less than scummy thieving wankers.
>>>
>>Then call him/her a thieving cunt and have done with it.
>>and DO NOT allow uncommented use of the word.
>
>'joyrider' could be auto-substituted with 'thieving cunt', but no luck
>there.
>
LOL
Shame innit really?
The word thief simply is not good enough at times. Not enough unsavoury
connotations.
In communist countries they would also call them hooligans; which does
have a right sort of feel to it.
steve
circumstances described constitute "out of control". By virtue of the
fact; you were unable to prevent an accident.
robb...@my-deja.com
justice tho?
In article <38300d25...@news.clara.net>,
Bruce Porter
>
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:16:52 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Dave Champney wrote:
> <snip>
> >> The idiot should get
> >> manslaughter at the very least grrrrrrr
>
> >Before we get to carried away with kill speeding c*r drivers , stop and
> >think how fast we all go round bends , have non of us *ever* taken you
> >too fast and hand to grapple the beast round a bend (sometimes drifting
> >on to the other carriage way ?) ?
> >
> >We all speed at times , some more than others . The fact of the matter
> >is the c*r driver ws incompetant and unable to control his vehicle.
>
> If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> fast.
>
> Its actually got feck all to do with whether the driver was
> incompetant or not. If the driver had scraped round the bend merely
> scaring the oncoming bike it still wouldn't have been alright...
> suppose you'd been crossing the road on your way home from the pub for
> example, or turning out of a side road? Controlling the vehicle doesnt
> make it OK.
I never said it was OK , I am merly pointing out some people are being a
bit hypocritic IMO.
Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Dave Champney wrote:
>>
>> If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
>> town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
>> fast.
>
>Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
Hand on heart, no I haven't.
Ain't ashamed to say so neither.
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Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Champney wrote:
> >
> > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> > fast.
> Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
Never in a 30 zone no. In fact, only in a 60 or 70.
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Bruce Porter
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:51:40 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Dave Champney wrote:
> >>
> >> If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> >> town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> >> fast.
> >
> >Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
>
>
> Ain't ashamed to say so neither.
>
It wasn't you I was asking .
Bruce Porter
>
> Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
> > Dave Champney wrote:
> > >
> > > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> > > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> > > fast.
> > Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
>
>
So never approched a 30 zone at 70 an only shut the throttle off as you
passed the sign ?
darsy
> darsy wrote:
> >
> > Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> > news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
> > > Dave Champney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit
around
> > > > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> > > > fast.
> > > Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
> >
> > Never in a 30 zone no. In fact, only in a 60 or 70.
> >
>
> So never approched a 30 zone at 70 an only shut the throttle off as you
> passed the sign ?
No. Where I used to live, there was a permanent temporary speed trap in a 30
zone just off a 60 (main Belfast road leading into Bangor). I was always
amazed how many people who lived in the town got caught there. It's sort of
conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones before entering them.
Dr Ivan D Reid, muSR Facility
read ukrm again...]
In article <3830714B...@best.com>, Dan Nitschke wrote:
>This has been going on here for years, and is
>generally attributed to Alan Frame [1], although
>I thought Dr. Ivan Reid really got it started.
>Somebody just *isn't* paying attention.
Correct on all fronts, though it did die away a bit for a while.
I think MacFrame and I both picked it up from alt.sysadmin.recovery[1].
>[1] DYF!
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>
>No. Where I used to live, there was a permanent temporary speed trap in a
30
>zone just off a 60 (main Belfast road leading into Bangor). I was always
>amazed how many people who lived in the town got caught there. It's sort of
>conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones before entering them.
In fact, that road goes from a 60 to a 40 to a 30. People who get caught
there deserve what they get. One of my conditioned reflexes is *not* to
open the taps immediately passing a NSL sign on a country road, not for fear
of speed traps, but because there's invariably a murderous corner within the
next 50 yards...
Richard Smith
>
>I find lining my house with tin foil helps to stop them
>getting through.
You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
darsy
Richard Smith <richar...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:80rrpg$45g$1...@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com...
> darsy wrote
> >
> >No. Where I used to live, there was a permanent temporary speed trap in a
> 30
> >zone just off a 60 (main Belfast road leading into Bangor). I was always
> >amazed how many people who lived in the town got caught there. It's sort
of
> >conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones before entering them.
>
> In fact, that road goes from a 60 to a 40 to a 30. People who get caught
> there deserve what they get.
Err...yes, but it didn't used to be (I think). But yes, people who get
caught there are fools, and there's an awful lot of them.
Bruce Porter
>
> Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> news:80rnro$dfq$6...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
> > darsy wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> > > news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
> > > > Dave Champney wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit
> around
> > > > > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> > > > > fast.
> > > > Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
> > >
> > > Never in a 30 zone no. In fact, only in a 60 or 70.
> > >
> >
> > So never approched a 30 zone at 70 an only shut the throttle off as you
> > passed the sign ?
>
> zone just off a 60 (main Belfast road leading into Bangor). I was always
> amazed how many people who lived in the town got caught there. It's sort of
> conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones before entering them.
>
I'll be watching you on the French run :)
Richard Smith
>
>Richard Smith <richar...@cs.com> wrote in message
>news:80rrpg$45g$1...@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com...
>> darsy wrote
>> >
a
>> 30
>> >zone just off a 60 (main Belfast road leading into Bangor). I was always
>> >amazed how many people who lived in the town got caught there. It's sort
>of
>> >conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones before entering them.
>>
>> there deserve what they get.
>
>Err...yes, but it didn't used to be (I think). But yes, people who get
>caught there are fools, and there's an awful lot of them.
:o)
ISTR you remarking once on my continuing use of the term "bin-lid"...
Neal Champion
>
>Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
>news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
>> Dave Champney wrote:
>> >
>> > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
>> > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
>> > fast.
>> Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
>
>Never in a 30 zone no. In fact, only in a 60 or 70.
Christ, when I was young and stupid [1], ISTR doing 90 in a 30.
Completely indefensible, I know, but as I said, I was young, dumb, and
full of.....
[1] as opposed to old and stupid, as I am now [2]
[2] got to get the self-deprecation in quick around here
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Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
different?
Neal Champion
>
>This has been going on here for years, and is
>generally attributed to Alan Frame [1], although
>I thought Dr. Ivan Reid really got it started.
>
>Somebody just *isn't* paying attention.
>
Although, of course, in MacFrame's case [0], the index starts at zero
[0] like this
Eddie
>
> So never approched a 30 zone at 70 an only shut the throttle off as
> you passed the sign ?
Nope - haul on the anchors ten yards before the sign, wave your back end
around a bit, and then proceed at a nice sedate pace through the 30...
N.B. Do not try this if a car is following you closely. You Have Been
Warned(tm).
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Eddie
>
> darsy wrote:
> >
> > It's sort of conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones
> > before entering them.
>
But France is *different*, isn't it? I mean, it *has* to be, otherwise
what's the point going? Eh?
Eddie
> >
>
> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> different?
I'm afraid you've used up your three guesses.
The correct answer was, in fact, Hawkwind.
See http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/woorgone.htm
Dan Nitschke
>
> Richard Smith did tap out :
>
> >You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
> >
>
> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> different?
"And now, for something completely different..."
Read this:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_073.html
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Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Windy wrote:
>>
>> Hand on heart, no I haven't.
>>
>> Ain't ashamed to say so neither.
>
>It wasn't you I was asking .
Have you ever known this to stop me before?
Dave Champney
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
I don't think I've done it around town in 30mph limits, around a bend
in the dark and when its wet. OK I'll admit we don't know the facts
and its possible to make it sound much worse behaviour than it was.
Other places.... there are times when its OK :)
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Bastard Bear
Stephen Packer wrote:
>
> In article <XLwxOA6vzODo3m...@4ax.com>, on Tue,
> 16 Nov 1999 20:21:04 +0000 , Neal Champion
> <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >"darsy" <da...@sticky.co.uk> did tap out :
> >
> >>
> >>Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> >>news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
>
> >Christ, when I was young and stupid [1], ISTR doing 90 in a 30.
> >Completely indefensible, I know, but as I said, I was young, dumb, and
> >full of.....
>
> This was of course to get the 3x speed limit badge? Did you
> ever attempt the 4x one?
Er ... guys?
Can we take another look at the header and shift these frivolous
comments to another/renamed thread?
Not trying to act like the taste police [1], but I'm still quite cut up
about the original event.
Thanks.
[1] Impossible, I know.
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Neal Champion
>Neal Champion wrote:
>>
>> "Richard Smith" <richar...@cs.com> did tap out :
>> >
>> >You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
>> >
>>
>> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
>> different?
>
>I'm afraid you've used up your three guesses.
>
>The correct answer was, in fact, Hawkwind.
Surely my 3rd guess was correct? Hawkwind *are* completely different
from ELP & King Crimson? And anyway, I was certainly in the 70's prog
rock ballpark......
Neal Champion
>In article <XLwxOA6vzODo3m...@4ax.com>, on Tue,
>16 Nov 1999 20:21:04 +0000 , Neal Champion
><ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>"darsy" <da...@sticky.co.uk> did tap out :
>>
>>>
>>>Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
>>>news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
>
>>Christ, when I was young and stupid [1], ISTR doing 90 in a 30.
>>Completely indefensible, I know, but as I said, I was young, dumb, and
>>full of.....
>
>This was of course to get the 3x speed limit badge? Did you
>ever attempt the 4x one?
Nah, by the time I could afford a bike fast enough to attempt, I was
old enough to realise how stupid it was
Neal Champion
>
>Er ... guys?
>
>Can we take another look at the header and shift these frivolous
>comments to another/renamed thread?
>
>Not trying to act like the taste police [1], but I'm still quite cut up
>about the original event.
Bear in 'shows sense of taste and decency' shocker
Eddie
>
> Eddie <ed...@deguello.demon.co.uk> did tap out :
>
> >Neal Champion wrote:
> >>
> >> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> >> different?
> >
> >I'm afraid you've used up your three guesses.
> >
> >The correct answer was, in fact, Hawkwind.
>
> Surely my 3rd guess was correct? Hawkwind *are* completely different
> from ELP & King Crimson? And anyway, I was certainly in the 70's prog
> rock ballpark......
Possibly, but 'someone completely different' hardly represents a valid
and complete answer, does it?
It could have been *anybody*, and you'd still have tried to get away
with it...
Bastard Bear
Eddie wrote:
>
> Bruce Porter wrote:
> >
> > So never approched a 30 zone at 70 an only shut the throttle off as
> > you passed the sign ?
>
> Nope - haul on the anchors ten yards before the sign, wave your back end
> around a bit
What a repulsive thought.
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Bruce Porter
>
> Bruce Porter wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's sort of conditioned me to be well slowed down for 30 zones
> > > before entering them.
> >
> > I'll be watching you on the French run :)
>
> But France is *different*, isn't it? I mean, it *has* to be, otherwise
> what's the point going? Eh?
>
Murray reads it and we just follow.
Bruce Porter
> >>
> >>I find lining my house with tin foil helps to stop them
> >>getting through.
> >
> >
>
> different?
>
Hawkwind.
Bruce Porter
>
> Neal Champion wrote:
> >
> >
> > >You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
> > >
> >
> > Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> > different?
>
>
306b ?
Bruce Porter
> >>
> >> "Richard Smith" <richar...@cs.com> did tap out :
> >> >
> >> >You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> >> different?
> >
> >
> >The correct answer was, in fact, Hawkwind.
>
> Surely my 3rd guess was correct? Hawkwind *are* completely different
> from ELP & King Crimson? And anyway, I was certainly in the 70's prog
> rock ballpark......
I would not describe Hawkwind as progressive rock , pyscadelic space
music maybe.
Bruce Porter
>
> "darsy" <da...@sticky.co.uk> did tap out :
>
> >
> >Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote in message
> >news:80r2i0$5h1$2...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk...
> >> >
> >> > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> >> > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> >> > fast.
> >
>
> Completely indefensible, I know, but as I said, I was young, dumb, and
> full of.....
>
> [2] got to get the self-deprecation in quick around here
>
Bruce Porter
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:51:40 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Hand on heart , you have *never* done that using *any* vehicle ?
>
> in the dark and when its wet. OK I'll admit we don't know the facts
> and its possible to make it sound much worse behaviour than it was.
>
> Other places.... there are times when its OK :)
>
Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Dan Nitschke wrote:
>>
>> "And now, for something completely different..."
>
>306b ?
Not applicable to Merkins.
We just take them out and shoot them.
Bruce Porter
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:44:40 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Dan Nitschke wrote:
> >>
> >> "And now, for something completely different..."
> >
> >306b ?
>
> Not applicable to Merkins.
>
> We just take them out and shoot them.
>
Molly Fletcher
> >> > If the reports are to be believed .... 'double' the speed limit around
> >> > town? That's not going just a bit too fast, thats a whole heap too
> >> > fast.
> >
>
I once got pulled doing 90 in a 30 - and got away with only a talking
to. It was quite a few years ago on my first X7...
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> >>I find lining my house with tin foil helps to stop them
> >>getting through.
> >
> >
>
> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
> different?
Hawkwind.
Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Windy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:44:40 +0000, Bruce Porter
>> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Dan Nitschke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "And now, for something completely different..."
>> >
>> >306b ?
>>
>> Not applicable to Merkins.
>>
>> We just take them out and shoot them.
>>
>306a ?
Not applicable to the Brits, YTC!
Stone him!
Bruce Porter
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:17:49 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Windy wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:44:40 +0000, Bruce Porter
> >> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Dan Nitschke wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "And now, for something completely different..."
> >> >
> >> >306b ?
> >>
> >> Not applicable to Merkins.
> >>
> >> We just take them out and shoot them.
> >>
> >306a ?
>
> Not applicable to the Brits, YTC!
>
> Stone him!
>
>
Simon Weller
> What a repulsive thought.
> --
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Veggie Dave
following drivel
>I would not describe Hawkwind as progressive rock , pyscadelic space
>music maybe.
You wouldn't have thought someone could mis-spell shite, would ya?
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Bruce Porter wrote:
>
> >Windy wrote:
> >>
> >> Bruce Porter wrote:
> >>
> >> >Dan Nitschke wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "And now, for something completely different..."
> >> >
> >> >306b ?
> >>
> >> Not applicable to Merkins.
Exactly. I can get away with that as often as I want,
so neener neener neener.
> >> We just take them out and shoot them.
> >>
> >306a ?
>
> Not applicable to the Brits, YTC!
Right. You don't have to write to Bear's arms.
> Stone him!
Now *this* one is clear and unequivocal. Finally.
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Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Windy wrote:
>>
>> Stone him!
>>
>Gotcha , thats a 306b.And you ain't a yank
Oh, I dunno.
I've managed to yank your chain for about 3 hours
today. ;o)
Bastard Bear
Simon Weller wrote:
>
> >
> > What a repulsive thought.
> > --
>
> eight hours later. . .not so cut up. . .
>
> Mr Pot I have a Kettle on line one. . .
Completely failed to notice which thread it was under.
I apologise wholeheartedly.
As I said, I wasn't trying to act like the taste police, only that,
given the subject matter, someone should rename the thread if
they're going to leap off on a humorous tangent.
Bruce Porter
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:54:37 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Windy wrote:
> >>
> >> Stone him!
> >>
> >Gotcha , thats a 306b.And you ain't a yank
>
> Oh, I dunno.
>
> I've managed to yank your chain for about 3 hours
> today. ;o)
>
Bruce Porter
>
> For some reason, Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam> wrote the
> following drivel
> >I would not describe Hawkwind as progressive rock , pyscadelic space
> >music maybe.
> ^^^^^
Dave , as nice a lad as you are , I will try and avoid a my type of
music is better than yours slanging match. But if you want shite , try
the Levelers. Oh yer you like them don't you :)
Windy
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
>Stopped me getting bored
Yeah, well I knew it wouldn't take much. ;o)
Dan Nitschke
> Oh, I dunno.
>
> I've managed to yank your chain for about 3 hours
> today. ;o)
Well, that's certainly preferable to chaining your
yank.
From my point of view, anyhow.
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan Nitschke invited comment by posting:
>
> >Well, that's certainly preferable to chaining your
> >yank.
> >
> >From my point of view, anyhow.
>
> your next visit. She'll be so disappointed.
I am *not*, repeat: *not* going to ask how you know
this.
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<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Veggie Dave wrote:
>>
>> For some reason, Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam> wrote the
>> following drivel
>> >I would not describe Hawkwind as progressive rock , pyscadelic space
>> >music maybe.
>> ^^^^^
>
>Dave , as nice a lad as you are , I will try and avoid a my type of
>music is better than yours slanging match. But if you want shite , try
>the Levelers. Oh yer you like them don't you :)
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>Neal Champion <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>I find lining my house with tin foil helps to stop them
>> >>getting through.
>> >
>> >You want a nice orgone accumulator, you do.
>> >
>>
>> Emerson Lake & Palmer? or King Crimson? or someone completely
>> different?
>
>Hawkwind.
Heh. Kate Bush.
Actually, I first encountered orgone accumulators in the works of William
Burroughs.
Windy
<peda...@best.com> wrote:
>Windy wrote:
>>
>> I've managed to yank your chain for about 3 hours
>> today. ;o)
>
>Well, that's certainly preferable to chaining your
>yank.
>
>From my point of view, anyhow.
Take the contacts out then and just go by feel.
Windy
<spam...@dnrc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Aww, and here Windy had purchased such *nice* fur covered handcuffs for
>your next visit. She'll be so disappointed.
Pah! Dan and I have long since moved on from
those.
We're onto sledgehammers and stuff now.
Dan Nitschke
>
> Marc Donovan wrote:
>
> >Aww, and here Windy had purchased such *nice* fur covered handcuffs for
> >your next visit. She'll be so disappointed.
>
> Pah! Dan and I have long since moved on from
> those.
>
> We're onto sledgehammers and stuff now.
And when Windy says "we", she of course means "she".
Generally, I'm just the target. And I lead with my
chin.
"Ooh, that's a vicious nose shot to the champ's
right hand, and he's got her right where she wants
him!"
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan Nitschke wrote:
>
> >Well, that's certainly preferable to chaining your
> >yank.
> >
> >From my point of view, anyhow.
>
> Take the contacts out then and just go by feel.
I tried that, but I was getting the *weirdest*
words in Braille...
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Bastard Bear
Lucretia Borgia wrote:
SNIP
> Bleaaauuurgh! Bloody crusties gone commercial. Oh look everyone,
> dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
>
> Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
At the risk of being accused of reasonableness, I'm not sure a band
like the Levellers can avoid being labelled "sell out". If you're
singing songs concerned with poverty and homelessness, then as soon
as you get some cash in and buy a house you're in kind of a
difficult position.
For non-morally based musicians, like say .... Phil Collins
(blurrrggghhh!!!!!), there's no problem, because they've never taken
a moral or ethical stand in the first place. That's easy, that is.
For what it's worth, I think you'll find The Levellers have given
substantial amounts of money to worthy causes; it doesn't mean
they're blameless, but it does help.
Oh, and fashion and music unfortunately go hand in hand, so their
image is unlikely to be in their own hands.
One thing I do like about them (though this may have changed) is
that their merchandising was always reasonably priced; i.e. decent
quality T-shirts for £5, rather than the £18 (£18!!!!!) charged by,
say, Pink Floyd.
Just my 2d worth.
--
Bear
Bruce Porter
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:34:06 +0000, Bruce Porter
> <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>
> >Veggie Dave wrote:
> >>
> >> For some reason, Bruce Porter <"bruce.porter"@bt.spam> wrote the
> >> following drivel
> >> >I would not describe Hawkwind as progressive rock , pyscadelic space
> >> >music maybe.
> >> ^^^^^
> >
> >Dave , as nice a lad as you are , I will try and avoid a my type of
> >music is better than yours slanging match. But if you want shite , try
> >the Levelers. Oh yer you like them don't you :)
>
> dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
>
> Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
>
I knew i could count on you to chip in.
Windy
<spam...@dnrc.co.uk> wrote:
>Wi...@windfalls.net (Windy) invited comment by posting:
>>
>>We're onto sledgehammers and stuff now.
>
>sorry.
"In ya face, bollocks to you, madam" ones, will be
ignored in this insance.
>I didn't actually get to peek into the OTHER closet you know.
Just as well.
Even Bear would be surprised what I keep in there.
Bastard Bear
Windy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:10:45 +0000, Marc Donovan
> <spam...@dnrc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Wi...@windfalls.net (Windy) invited comment by posting:
> >>
> >>We're onto sledgehammers and stuff now.
> >
> >sorry.
>
> "In ya face, bollocks to you, madam" ones, will be
> ignored in this insance.
"Insance"?? What's that, then?
> >I didn't actually get to peek into the OTHER closet you know.
>
> Just as well.
>
> Even Bear would be surprised what I keep in there.
*Nothing* could surprise me where you're concerned [1]
[1] if I was at windy's, and 200 really surprising things leapt out
of her closet, singing "we're so surprising, and we just can't help
it!", whilst waving a surprising-coloured flag with surprising
designs on it, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest
Dan Nitschke
>
> Marc Donovan wrote:
>
>
> Just as well.
>
> Even Bear would be surprised what I keep in there.
A giant purple Snorklewacker?
Been there, seen that.
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan Nitschke invited comment by posting:
>
>
> <peanuts>
> You're weird sir.
> </peanuts>
Stop calling me "Sir", Marcie!
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Lucretia Borgia
<"bruce.porter"@bt.spam - mmmmmm.com> wrote:
>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
>
>I knew i could count on you to chip in.
I like to reliable in these very important matters.
This week I are mosly listening to Underground Radio 3WK on RA7.
tallbloke
<bb...@cwcom.net> wrote:
> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> SNIP
> > Bleaaauuurgh! Bloody crusties gone commercial. Oh look everyone,
> > dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
> >
> like the Levellers can avoid being labelled "sell out". If you're
> singing songs concerned with poverty and homelessness, then as soon
> as you get some cash in and buy a house you're in kind of a
> difficult position.
> For non-morally based musicians, like say .... Phil Collins
> (blurrrggghhh!!!!!), there's no problem, because they've never
> taken
> a moral or ethical stand in the first place. That's easy, that is.
> For what it's worth, I think you'll find The Levellers have given
> substantial amounts of money to worthy causes; it doesn't mean
> they're blameless, but it does help.
> Oh, and fashion and music unfortunately go hand in hand, so their
> image is unlikely to be in their own hands.
> One thing I do like about them (though this may have changed) is
> that their merchandising was always reasonably priced; i.e. decent
> quality T-shirts for £5, rather than the £18 (£18!!!!!) charged by,
> say, Pink Floyd.
> Just my 2d worth.
> --
> Bear
Well said Bear,
a mate of mine called Stewart (AKA Noddy Hog) used to make merchandise
for the levellers out of silver spoons and coins, and they always did
right by him.
Also seem to remember they joined M^G and offered to do a benefit gig
for them. Not their fault M^G f*cked it up by putting them on at a
rally with a piss poor attendance.
BTW I'm having to try a web based usenet facility to post this as the
free isp I'm on at home doesn't have a news feed. So If this doesn't
post my wankstain on your bottom please don't flame me this time OK?
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Richard Wood
>
> Bleaaauuurgh! Bloody crusties gone commercial. Oh look everyone,
> dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
>
> Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
LOL!!!
Which reminds me, does *anyone* watch TOTP who is older than 13 nowadays?
.
.
.
.
.
.
Ah! F*ck! Just gave the answer away I just did! hur, hur... hurhurhur!
[
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When I say that the victims eyeballs were lost by the police,
you can see that justice is blind.
]
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Richard Wood
>
> For non-morally based musicians,
^^^^^^^
Ugh! The *m* word! Thankfully I had mine surgically removed at birth.
> Just my 2d worth.
Shouldn't that be 2e worth now? :)
[Eboneeza - 'ees a geeza!!] (etc...)
Richard Wood
>
> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> > Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
>
Are you fishing again Bruce? For cods sake man!
Lucretia Borgia
wrote:
>
>
>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>SNIP
>
>> Bleaaauuurgh! Bloody crusties gone commercial. Oh look everyone,
>> dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
>>
>> Feck off. I loathe the Levellers and all those like them.
>
>At the risk of being accused of reasonableness, I'm not sure a band
>like the Levellers can avoid being labelled "sell out". If you're
>singing songs concerned with poverty and homelessness, then as soon
>as you get some cash in and buy a house you're in kind of a
>difficult position.
<snip blethering>
It's not so much their sell out qualities that annoy me. But something
about singing pwitty lickle songs about how tough it is to be homeless
wind me up, rub my fur the wrong way, if you will...
Lots of crustie hippy rave types have made fortunes by getting
popular, getting a recording contract and getting airplay (Levellers,
Jamiroquai, Manics (they used to be good...), et al).
But look! There are bands and musicians that play festies, have a
massive following and are still poor and unheard on the radio (Ozric
Tentacles, Roy Harper, Culture Shock, Enid...).
It's a Bad Feeling that I can't quite put into words.
<Bill>
Play from your fucking heart!
</Bill>
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Veggie Dave
wrote the following drivel
>Oh look everyone,
>dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
Er, Lucretia dahling, Jeremy's had dreds for a very, very long time...
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eloquence, thus:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:52:32 +0000, Bastard Bear <bb...@cwcom.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> >SNIP
> >
> >> dredlocks are so in this autumn, yah ab fab daahling.
> >>
> >
> >At the risk of being accused of reasonableness, I'm not sure a band
> >like the Levellers can avoid being labelled "sell out". If you're
> >singing songs concerned with poverty and homelessness, then as soon
> >as you get some cash in and buy a house you're in kind of a
> >difficult position.
>
> <snip blethering>
>
> It's not so much their sell out qualities that annoy me. But something
> about singing pwitty lickle songs about how tough it is to be homeless
> wind me up, rub my fur the wrong way, if you will...
>
> Lots of crustie hippy rave types have made fortunes by getting
> popular, getting a recording contract and getting airplay (Levellers,
> Jamiroquai, Manics (they used to be good...), et al).
You ain't alone in having that sentiment. But hey, it's all a big sell-
out, right?
> But look! There are bands and musicians that play festies, have a
> massive following and are still poor and unheard on the radio (Ozric
> Tentacles, Roy Harper, Culture Shock, Enid...).
Abso-ferkin-lutely. Saw Nick Harper recently, too. Never seen him
before, didn't know he was supporting that night. Sounds incredibly like
his dad.
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Veggie Dave
>popular, getting a recording contract and getting airplay (Levellers,
>Jamiroquai, Manics
I hate to tell you, but the Levs are no where near the same earning
league as either the Manics or Jamiroquai - but the majority of what
they do make is spent of the Medway which was a derelict building in
Brighton which now houses a number of rehearsal rooms, two studios, the
Levs offices and a number of direct action groups such as Justice!.
The band have organised a regular live gig at the studio for local bands
which is then aired on local radio.
Yes, the band sell a fair amount of albums. Yes, they no-longer have to
seriously skimp and save (although they are by no means loaded. The
average IT bod on here makes more than they do, and yes, I know this for
a fact) and yes, the style has changed slightly.
But sold out? I don't think so. But then, there are some people who seem
to think if musicians change then they've sold out, when in reality we
all change over time - and the Levs have been around for tens years now.
Oh, and when was the last time you saw a 'large' band playing at your
local? Or wearing a NABD T-shirt? Or a MAG badge? Hmm? Well?