What happened (long)
Ace
long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
Approaching the bend I leave it a little bit too late before applying
the anchors, and as I get closer and closer I realise that I'm not
going to make it. Mistake #2. I've got _way_ too much brakes on to
even think about tipping into the bend, which is probably a 40mph job.
Dunno what speed I'm doing, but somewhat more than that.
So I'm now at what would be the apex point and still going straight
and trying to scrub off speed, and I realise that although there's
nothing coming in the opposite lane there's still not enough road to
stop in and I'm going to go straight across the other side. The far
verge consists of a low ditch and a fuck-off Armco barrier, which I
don't fancy smashing into (mistake #3) so I instinctively pull a bit
harder on the brake. Mistake #4 and last.
Trouble is, the brakes and tyres (Diablo Corsas) are too bloody good,
so instead of washing out and lowsiding me, which would have been
nasty but relatively survivable, the damn thing stoppies, dead
straight, and flips me straight over the top.
So I'm flying through the air upside down and backwards, watching the
bike come to an undignified stop on the road, amidst a spray of
splintering plastic (mainly from the seat and rear area); I feel my
head dragging on the grass and then I connect with the Armco. Flat on
my back.
Ow. Ow Ow and treble Ow. I'm still fully conscious, but now unable to
breathe. Not sure if my eyes are open but I don't remember any visual
input from this time, just the pain and inability to breathe. I say to
myself "you're just winded, relax, let it come, it'll get there
eventually". On the third of fourth attempt I managed to get my chest
to move enough to get some air into my lungs.
It's only at this point that I realise that the pain I'd subsequently
felt was but a taster, a gentle preview of what was to come. You know
how some accounts of accidents will say that the victims "passed out"
due to to pain? Well I've never quite believed them, but it's at this
stage that I wish it were true. Sadly I'm still fully conscious and
aware of every last screaming nerve.
So I then start to think it might be better is I wasn't lying on my
obviously broken ribcage, so I attempt to stand, taking a couple of
minutes to extricate my boot from under the crash barrier and finally
managing to get upright. At about this time a couple of passers-by
have appeared and start asking if I'm OK, then send someone else off
to call an ambulance (cell-phone dead-spot, apparently). I'm now
standing but rapidly realising than not only does in hurt no less, but
I'm in danger of falling over which would clearly hurt even more, so I
get them to help me to the ground.
There then follows the most excruciating period of waiting while first
one, then two ambulances arrive, neither of which has paramedics on
board, so are unable to offer any pain relief. They do move me to a
flat board, at which point I'm able to get them to help remove my
jacket, as the hump would not allow me to lie flat. This is done
without too much trauma and I'm moved to the stretcher with a neck
brace on, although I'm confident that there's no neck damage.
Finally a doctor gets there, maybe 30-40 minutes after the crash, and
I think she gives me some morphine at this point, which helps the
breathing somewhat and dulls the awareness of what's happening. A
helicopter arrives shortly afterwards, by which time I've got a drip
in and I'm moved into it and hooked up to various monitors (blood
pressure, Blood oxygen conc., ecg, etc.). A chat about destination
ensues and it's resolved to take me to Basle, as it's a) the closest,
b) the best and c) the easiest (admin-wise) of the available options.
I'll skip the gory details, much of which I didn't notice, being out
of my head on morphine by this time, but I do remember them cutting
off my leather trousers, the bastards, which they could have very
easily have pulled off. Would the listen? Would the bollocks. The
diagnosis is as follows, badly translated by me:
- multiple BWS and LWS(?) fractures (to the spine) without
neurological damage, extension injury to Thorax9 ventral and traumatic
inflammation to Thorax12
- rib fractures right side ribs 2-9 ( at the front, next to the
sternum, although at least one is fractured further round as well)
- haematopnumothorax right side (bleeding into the chest cavity, from
the broken bones and surrounding tissue).
- Pleuraerguss left ( fluid into the left chest cavity, not spotted
until several days later)
- fractured sternum
- blunt abdominal injuries
- Liver haematoma segment 7
Treatment entailed a cright-side chest drain on arrival, a left-side
one a week later[1], and the insertion of two foot-long titanium rods,
screwed into the spine together with bits of bone graft from the back
of the pelvis, using 4 inch long screws. This goes between the
thorassic 8 and lumbar 2 vertabrae, all but tow of which (the lumbar
ones) are immobile by middle-age anyway, so this shouldn't impar
future mobility very much.
The Swiss health system seems pretty good, although there were one or
two bad experiences, like the pain nurse who was unable to understand
that my need for morphine had increased massively after the second
chest drain. Finally, at the second call-out, she got the message and
increased the backgound level on the PCA[4] machine. But the pain got
worse, so I called them out again - different person this time, who
discovered that the previous one had 'forgotten' to switch the machine
on after changing the settings. I think she'd missed her vocation as a
torturer and was just taking it out on me.
All bills will be born ny my company's accident insurance, which is
pretty damned good, covering any sort of accident, Martini-style[5].
Apparently not all companies statutory insurance is anything like this
comprehensive.
Prognosis is good, got to wear a 'corset' for three months while the
back heals (and keep on the painkillers for a while yet), and the rods
will stay put for 10-11 months, presumably to allow total stability
and strength to be regained before removal.
So overall I'm quite lucky to have survived, but quite unlucky to have
hit the armco. OTOH I could have hit it with my head which could have
been a lot worse, so who knows.
I'm also left with a profound gratitude toward the manufacturers[2] of
my leathers, together with their non EC-approved back protectors,
which seem to have done exactly what they're supposed to, transferring
most of the impact from the spine around the chest cavity to the ribs,
where, painful as they are, the damage is much more survivable. Not
suer if the armadillo-like one in my Dainese winter jacket would have
been better, but I'm 100% certain that the EC-approved, 1cm thick foam
back protection in my older Belstaff jacket would have had almost no
effect. I'm glad I made the choice I did.
Thanks again for all the GWSs, on here and elsewhere. It does make a
difference to know that folk are rooting for you, and nearly all the
comments here have been positive and make me glad to be back. I'll try
not to bore y'all too much while I'm sat at home ;-)
[1] The single most painful experience of all. They cut a hole between
you ribs using a pair of scissors, under local so it's not too bad,
then force six inches of 1/2" hosepipe between the ribs and into the
chest, for wich no anaesthetic is useful. I'm sure they cracked a rib
putting it in[3]. Internal pressure was such that blood spurted all
over the surgeon, bed and floor.
[2] Schwabenleder.
[3] Although later x-rays don't show this, but it still hurts more
than the broken ones on the RHS.
[4] Patient controlled analgaesia. Push a button to get more morphine,
with a 12-minute delay between doses.
[5] Any time, any place, anywhere.
--
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`\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
`\|/`
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darsy
>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
[snip]
clumsy tit!
--
d.
Ken
up now, before you get killed!
k
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Vass
news:6ahfg2lorbsa98sa3...@4ax.com...
good to see you back :-)
........and the bike?
--
Vass
Ace
Yupp. After 30 years of "It'll never happen to me" I've become aware
of just how easy it can be. Or possible, just how lucky I've been to
get away with it for so long.
--
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Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk
All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club.
toad_of...@yahoo.co.uk
> Approaching the bend
Can you work out the Lat and long of the Bend on Goodle Earth and tell
us so we can have a look?
Le Dieu
> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> applied.
Harrowing tale snipped.
Wow.
Thanks Ace, you've helped me make up my mind to sell my bike. Wife and kids
very pleased.
Best of luck with the rehab.
A. D.
Ace
No idea. Don't even know where it is. Looked like it was just plastic
and the rear end, so probably repairable. But I don't really GAF, to
be perfectly honest.
darsy
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:59:00 +0100, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
>>[snip]
>>
>>clumsy tit!
>
>Yupp. After 30 years of "It'll never happen to me" I've become aware
>of just how easy it can be. Or possible, just how lucky I've been to
>get away with it for so long.
and as porl pointed out, a little ironic to happen the day after you
made your "I ride on the road as if it were a racetrack" comment...
--
d.
Champ
>Finally a doctor gets there, maybe 30-40 minutes after the crash, and
>I think she gives me some morphine at this point, which helps the
>breathing somewhat and dulls the awareness of what's happening. A
>helicopter arrives shortly afterwards
You got a ride in a heli? Bastard.
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
darsy
poof.
--
d.
Champ
>Harrowing tale snipped.
>
>Wow.
>
>Thanks Ace, you've helped me make up my mind to sell my bike. Wife and kids
>very pleased.
Surely you were already aware that accidents on motorcycles can result
in serious injury and even death? What difference does this new one
make to your decision?
ogden
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
> >Finally a doctor gets there, maybe 30-40 minutes after the crash, and
> >I think she gives me some morphine at this point, which helps the
> >breathing somewhat and dulls the awareness of what's happening. A
> >helicopter arrives shortly afterwards
>
> You got a ride in a heli? Bastard.
Paging Bonwick...
--
ogden
buy tat here: http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZdr.daifQQhtZ-1
Mups
<snip>
> - multiple BWS and LWS(?) fractures (to the spine) without
> neurological damage, extension injury to Thorax9 ventral and traumatic
> inflammation to Thorax12
> - rib fractures right side ribs 2-9 ( at the front, next to the
> sternum, although at least one is fractured further round as well)
> - haematopnumothorax right side (bleeding into the chest cavity, from
> the broken bones and surrounding tissue).
> - Pleuraerguss left ( fluid into the left chest cavity, not spotted
> until several days later)
> - fractured sternum
> - blunt abdominal injuries
> - Liver haematoma segment 7
FFS you don't do things by half's
> Treatment entailed a cright-side chest drain on arrival, a left-side
> one a week later
They used gold taps I hope.
Anyway glad to see you're back, take it easy.
--
Chris (Chr...@churchstone.com)
Ace
>Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:59:00 +0100, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>clumsy tit!
>>
>>Yupp. After 30 years of "It'll never happen to me" I've become aware
>>of just how easy it can be. Or possible, just how lucky I've been to
>>get away with it for so long.
>
>and as porl pointed out, a little ironic to happen the day after you
>made your "I ride on the road as if it were a racetrack" comment...
Don't think I'm not aware of the irony.
Ace
Too slow on dialup[1] from home, but approx 7deg26minE 47deg31.3minN
from the map. Between Bettlach and Hagenthal.
[1] Broadband should be arriving next week.
Lozzo
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:53 +0100, "Vass"
> <write2m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Ace" <see...@virgin.net> wrote in message
> >news:6ahfg2lorbsa98sa3...@4ax.com...
> >
> >good to see you back :-)
> >
> >........and the bike?
>
> No idea. Don't even know where it is. Looked like it was just plastic
> and the rear end, so probably repairable. But I don't really GAF, to
> be perfectly honest.
If you're not that bothered, I'll have it off you for a tenner, and I'll
even collect.
--
Lozzo
Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
GSF600SW (broked)
Lozzo
> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
<snip>
You lucky lucky fucker.
GWS
Ace
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>Finally a doctor gets there, maybe 30-40 minutes after the crash, and
>>I think she gives me some morphine at this point, which helps the
>>breathing somewhat and dulls the awareness of what's happening. A
>>helicopter arrives shortly afterwards
>
>You got a ride in a heli? Bastard.
s'wot Jude said too.
Cab
> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>
<snip story>
The fact that you're alive is a bonus.
Pillock.
--
Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
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Ace
>Ace says...
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:04:53 +0100, "Vass"
>> <write2m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Ace" <see...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>> >news:6ahfg2lorbsa98sa3...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >good to see you back :-)
>> >
>> >........and the bike?
>>
>> No idea. Don't even know where it is. Looked like it was just plastic
>> and the rear end, so probably repairable. But I don't really GAF, to
>> be perfectly honest.
>
>If you're not that bothered, I'll have it off you for a tenner, and I'll
>even collect.
OK, you just arrange it all with the insurance. As long as they pay me
market rate you're welcome to it.
Cab
Wuss.
flash
Ken wrote:
> If this is the way you ride a bike, i would strongly advise you to give it
>
Blimey, are Swiss Traffic laws really that harsh?
toad_of...@yahoo.co.uk
> On 13 Sep 2006 03:05:38 -0700, toad_of...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Ace wrote:
> >
> >> Approaching the bend
> >
> >Can you work out the Lat and long of the Bend on Goodle Earth and tell
> >us so we can have a look?
>
> Too slow on dialup[1] from home, but approx 7deg26minE 47deg31.3minN
> from the map. Between Bettlach and Hagenthal.
You lucky, lucky cunt. You live somewhere most of us are lucky to see
on holiday once a year.
Consider your ribs prodded.
Buzby
>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
>> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
>> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
>> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>
> <snip>
>
> You lucky lucky fucker.
Couldn't agree more.
> GWS
Likewise.
darsy
>nasty but relatively survivable, the damn thing stoppies, dead
>straight, and flips me straight over the top.
actually, are you sure it was the tyres? Could have been Des lurking
at the side of the road waiting to shove a scaffolding pole between
the spokes of your front wheel.
--
d.
Champ
Y'see, I think he was *unlucky*.
Lozzo
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:40:36 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> >>> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> >>> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
> >>> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> You lucky lucky fucker.
> >
> >Couldn't agree more.
>
> Y'see, I think he was *unlucky*.
I like to think positive.
Champ
>Champ says...
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:40:36 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
>> >>> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
>> >>> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
>> >>> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> You lucky lucky fucker.
>> >
>> >Couldn't agree more.
>>
>> Y'see, I think he was *unlucky*.
>
>I like to think positive.
I *am* thinking positive!
catman
> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
GWS FFS. And don't do it again, huh?
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Hog
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:54:25 +0100, Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Champ says...
>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:40:36 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work
>>>>>> - long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans
>>>>>> being applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in,
>>>>>> but somehow I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> You lucky lucky fucker.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't agree more.
>>>
>>> Y'see, I think he was *unlucky*.
>>
>> I like to think positive.
>
> I *am* thinking positive!
OK so do you think this was a case of target fixation and panic braking?
or was your speed such that it was impossible to carve any line around
the bend?
I only ask because years of SOB and TT100 type tyres had drummed in the
mantra of getting off the brakes before peeling in. Subsequent track
tuition proved it was possible to start heeling in while hard on the
anchors gradually releasing the pressure as you approach maximum lean.
I regularly brake into a corner now, partly a play off with greater
lean, when the corner appears to be tightening. Partly controlling long
travel suspension unwinding quickly.
--
Hog
'96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400
Ian White
>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
<snip>
My cousin is 12 months on from a car smash that left her with a
similarly long list of damage. It's a *long* way back from something
like that and you're obviously aware of this.
One day at a time, and glad you're OK ...
... you clumsy cunt.
--
Ian White
http://www.ianwhitephoto.co.uk
http://www.usefilm.com/photographer.asp?ID=51251
Le Dieu
"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:05:58 GMT, "Le Dieu" <LeD...@OT.net> wrote:
>
>>Harrowing tale snipped.
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>Thanks Ace, you've helped me make up my mind to sell my bike. Wife and
>>kids
>>very pleased.
>
> Surely you were already aware that accidents on motorcycles can result
> in serious injury and even death? What difference does this new one
> make to your decision?
> --
> Champ
3rd baby arriving started it off. Then the accidents I heard about just kept
getting nearer and nearer and seemingly more common.
It's weighing up the pleasure/risk balance.
Still haven't finally decided. Sunny days like today make me want to take
the bike out. All in all though, I think I can probably live without it.
Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
A. D.
Le Dieu
"darsy" <da...@sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
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I was saving that confession for another day.
Wife and kids probably not so pleased.
A. D.
Spete
"Ace" <see...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
<snip mistakes>
Unlucky or clumsy, whatever.
GWS
--
Spete
Slider
Saved your life? Possibly. Saved you from paralysis? Almost certainly.
You're one lucky SOB.
GWS.
--
Steve "Slider"
'02 YZF-R6
Ace
wrote:
>Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:54:25 +0100, Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Champ says...
>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:40:36 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work
>>>>>>> - long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans
>>>>>>> being applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in,
>>>>>>> but somehow I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lucky lucky fucker.
To survive, maybe. To be spat into an Armco barrier at 50+eek mph?
That isn't what I call lucky.
>>>>> Couldn't agree more.
>>>>
>>>> Y'see, I think he was *unlucky*.
My thinking too. All of the other times when I got away with it were
the lucky ones.
>>> I like to think positive.
>>
>> I *am* thinking positive!
>
>OK so do you think this was a case of target fixation and panic braking?
No.
>or was your speed such that it was impossible to carve any line around
>the bend?
Yes.
>I only ask because years of SOB and TT100 type tyres had drummed in the
>mantra of getting off the brakes before peeling in. Subsequent track
>tuition proved it was possible to start heeling in while hard on the
>anchors gradually releasing the pressure as you approach maximum lean.
>I regularly brake into a corner now, partly a play off with greater
>lean, when the corner appears to be tightening. Partly controlling long
>travel suspension unwinding quickly.
I also brake into corners a lot, and modern tyres and geometry make it
perfectly do-able. In this case though, I was still on maximum braking
at, and beyond, the turn-in point, so there was no more grip to give.
In fact, of course, I might well have been better of doing so, but
that's only based on what I actually hit. Had I been a bit further
ahead I'd probably have gone right over the Armco, with little more
damage than a few bruises.
Ace
Damn, I never looked. That's certainly what it felt like, so I reckon
you could be onto something here.
Ace
<ian_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
><snip>
>
>My cousin is 12 months on from a car smash that left her with a
>similarly long list of damage. It's a *long* way back from something
>like that and you're obviously aware of this.
Naah, that's not the attitude. I'll be skiing by January, latest.
>One day at a time, and glad you're OK ...
>
>... you clumsy cunt.
Yupp.
darsy
>Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride again.
--
d.
flash
I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride a bit slower, even if
only round that one particular corner.
I do like the detail that they took the opportunity to sort out his
hair whilst he was under sedation - a similar thing happened to one of
my gran's somewhat matted cats. I take it he used to spit and scratch
at people if they tried to cut it whilst he was concious ( and then
piss on their coats in revenge).
Scraggy
Had I been a bit further
> ahead I'd probably have gone right over the Armco, with little more
> damage than a few bruises.
That would have earned a lot more points in 'artistic interpretation'
stakes.
--
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as
members. Groucho Marx
Buzby
Unlucky/lucky - whatever - you're still in one loosely assembled piece.
You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering - with
a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
over before the tyres let go. [1].
However, I fully expect the racing types will be along in a minute to tell
me I'm talking bollocks.
[1] it doesn't always work #8-(
steve auvache
>Ace wrote:
>> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
>> long straight followed by tight right-hander, so lots of beans being
>> applied. This is a nice road and I'm enjoying the ride in, but somehow
>> I get sucked into it. Mistake #1.
>
>GWS FFS. And don't do it again, huh?
He can do it again if he likes, in fact he can do it until it is simply
not funny any more if he wants.
--
steve auvache
i rate dates
Ace
I'm planning my revenge on the Nurses concerned.
Ace
<snip>
>Unlucky/lucky - whatever - you're still in one loosely assembled piece.
>
>You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
>cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering - with
>a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
>over before the tyres let go. [1].
You're talking bollocks, I'm afraid. Countersteering is just what we
all do all of the time anyway, although being aware of how it works
can help with more precision and control. But it won't make any
difference to the amount of mechanical grip available through the
tyres.
It's clear that there _was_ slightly more grip available, otherwise it
would have washed out instead of stoppying, but I'd defy _anybody_ to
be physically, let alone mentally, capable of dropping a bike into a
bend with 90%+ of front anchors applied. The forces working against
this are just too strong.
>However, I fully expect the racing types will be along in a minute to tell
>me I'm talking bollocks.
IANART, but yes.
Pip
>"Ace" <see...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:55tfg2dcihe63822t...@4ax.com...
>> I also brake into corners a lot, and modern tyres and geometry make it
>> perfectly do-able. In this case though, I was still on maximum braking
>> at, and beyond, the turn-in point, so there was no more grip to give.
>> In fact, of course, I might well have been better of doing so, but
>> that's only based on what I actually hit. Had I been a bit further
>> ahead I'd probably have gone right over the Armco, with little more
>> damage than a few bruises.
>You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
>cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering - with
>a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
>over before the tyres let go.
You thick, non-snipping fucker. If you knew the bloke, or had even
read some of his posts, you'd realise that despite his current
foolishness, he is a competent and quick rider who has more than
enough experience to know what to do, and be well aware of how to
consciously countersteer a motorcycle.
--
Pip: B12
Pip
>Thanks again for all the GWSs, on here and elsewhere. It does make a
>difference to know that folk are rooting for you, and nearly all the
>comments here have been positive and make me glad to be back. I'll try
>not to bore y'all too much while I'm sat at home ;-)
I was only looking at google's stats last night and thinking about the
drop in throughput here over the last couple of years. If you could
manage say, seven thousand posts a month, we'll be back on course.
Good to see you posting again though, you clumsy fucker.
--
Pip: B12
Linger
> So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
> bike come to an undignified stop on the road, amidst a spray of
> splintering plastic (mainly from the seat and rear area); I feel my
> head dragging on the grass and then I connect with the Armco. Flat on
> my back.
>
> Ow. Ow Ow and treble Ow.
Blimey,
GWS
Linger
Buzby
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:48:12 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Unlucky/lucky - whatever - you're still in one loosely assembled piece.
>>
>>You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
>>cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering -
>>with
>>a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
>>over before the tyres let go. [1].
>
> You're talking bollocks, I'm afraid. Countersteering is just what we
> all do all of the time anyway, although being aware of how it works
> can help with more precision and control. But it won't make any
> difference to the amount of mechanical grip available through the
> tyres.
I agree we all counter steer to some extent without realising it - however
what I'm trying to say is a deliberate push on the bars can be more
effective than jamming the brakes on and highsiding it.
> It's clear that there _was_ slightly more grip available, otherwise it
> would have washed out instead of stoppying, but I'd defy _anybody_ to
> be physically, let alone mentally, capable of dropping a bike into a
> bend with 90%+ of front anchors applied. The forces working against
> this are just too strong.
Ah, as you were then - that scenario is well out of my comfort/capability
zone
Hog
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:48:12 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Unlucky/lucky - whatever - you're still in one loosely assembled
>> piece.
>>
>> You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've
>> over cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter
>> steering - with a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how
>> far the bike will go over before the tyres let go. [1].
>
> You're talking bollocks, I'm afraid. Countersteering is just what we
> all do all of the time anyway, although being aware of how it works
> can help with more precision and control. But it won't make any
> difference to the amount of mechanical grip available through the
> tyres.
>
> It's clear that there _was_ slightly more grip available, otherwise it
> would have washed out instead of stoppying, but I'd defy _anybody_ to
> be physically, let alone mentally, capable of dropping a bike into a
> bend with 90%+ of front anchors applied. The forces working against
> this are just too strong.
>
>> However, I fully expect the racing types will be along in a minute
>> to tell me I'm talking bollocks.
>
> IANART, but yes.
Ah Sir needs a modern BMW I expect, K1200S perhaps, where braking forces
are isolated from steering geometry.
Hog
We need more clumsy cunts laid up at home with fuck all else to do?
Buzby
>>> perfectly do-able. In this case though, I was still on maximum braking
>>> at, and beyond, the turn-in point, so there was no more grip to give.
>>> In fact, of course, I might well have been better of doing so, but
>>> that's only based on what I actually hit. Had I been a bit further
>>> ahead I'd probably have gone right over the Armco, with little more
>>> damage than a few bruises.
>
>>You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
>>cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering -
>>with
>>a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
>>over before the tyres let go.
>
> You thick, non-snipping fucker. If you knew the bloke, or had even
> read some of his posts, you'd realise that despite his current
> foolishness, he is a competent and quick rider who has more than
> enough experience to know what to do, and be well aware of how to
> consciously countersteer a motorcycle.
Thick I can take, but being a non snipping fucker?
Never said he wasn't competent or quick. We all make mistakes - if raising
the issues of avoiding highsiding helps some of the not so experienced
riders of this parish possibly avoid a similar scenario, IMO it's worth
doing.
Lozzo
<waves>
--
Lozzo
Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
GSF600SW (broked)
Hog
When do you expect to return to the fray then?
Have you had a chance to look at the Bindat and assess the point of
failure then?
Pip
wrote:
>Pip wrote:
>> I was only looking at google's stats last night and thinking about the
>> drop in throughput here over the last couple of years. If you could
>> manage say, seven thousand posts a month, we'll be back on course.
>>
>> Good to see you posting again though, you clumsy fucker.
>
>We need more clumsy cunts laid up at home with fuck all else to do?
Are you volunteering?
--
Pip: B12
Hog
I've been participating in The Program for month I'll have you know,
clumsy or not.
Mark Olson
> On 13 Sep 2006 05:40:30 -0700, "flash" <ma...@flashgorman.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >darsy wrote:
> >> "Le Dieu" <LeD...@OT.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
> >>
> >> I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride again.
> >
> >I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride a bit slower, even if
> >only round that one particular corner.
> >
> >I do like the detail that they took the opportunity to sort out his
> >hair whilst he was under sedation - a similar thing happened to one of
> >my gran's somewhat matted cats. I take it he used to spit and scratch
> >at people if they tried to cut it whilst he was concious ( and then
> >piss on their coats in revenge).
>
> I'm planning my revenge on the Nurses concerned.
What if they aren't wearing coats?
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Benny @
"Ian White" <ian_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0lrfg2hicmpjhcrvk...@4ax.com...
>
> My cousin is 12 months on from a car smash that left her with a
> similarly long list of damage. It's a *long* way back from something
> like that and you're obviously aware of this.
>
decided to spiral 300 feet to the ground and suffered the same sort of-ish
damage [1]. He was out of work for 6 months, got better and went back flying
without regrets.
When asked if he would fly again, he replied "I'd be a cunt not to, I enjoy
it too much and cost me to much to get the licenses"
He remembers the rotor removing itself and getting having to get some
airspeed as he was almost in a hover at the time, then doesn't remember a
lot till he got to the hospital [2]
When his boss ran to the wreck of the chopper he said whilst concussed "What
happened?" his boss replied "Calm down mate, you've had an accident", he
replied "I know I've had a fucking accident, what happened?"
So basically, take it easy, relax and get better and slow down in that
corner next time.
--
Benny
[1] When I drove from Vegas (where he lives) to LA where he was in hospital,
as I went out there for a holiday, when i saw him with the bruises and black
eyes, he look the spitting image of Beetle juice.
[2] Ex-pat mates bought him a toy jet ranger, jumped on it, bent it and
mangled it then hung it over his bed, the nurses were horrified as septics
have no sense of humor.
Nursey
> [4] Patient controlled analgaesia. Push a button to get more morphine,
> with a 12-minute delay between doses.
12, twelve? Feck, we set ours to a 5 minute delay!
--
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ALS Provider OSOS#25 MIRTTH#6 IbW#09 4#COFF EFFA MOP#1
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Hog
> My brother whilst losing the tail rotor on the jet ranger he was
> flying decided to spiral 300 feet to the ground and suffered the same
> sort of-ish damage [1]. He was out of work for 6 months, got better
> and went back flying without regrets.
Pretty amazing to survive an accident like that. Choppers do not appear
to have safety cells and most impacts are fatal.
Hog
> Ace wrote:
>
>> [4] Patient controlled analgaesia. Push a button to get more
>> morphine, with a 12-minute delay between doses.
>
>
> 12, twelve? Feck, we set ours to a 5 minute delay!
But only for personal use?
Lozzo
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Hog says...
> >> Pip wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks again for all the GWSs, on here and elsewhere. It does make
> >>>> a difference to know that folk are rooting for you, and nearly all
> >>>> the comments here have been positive and make me glad to be back.
> >>>> I'll try not to bore y'all too much while I'm sat at home ;-)
> >>>
> >>> I was only looking at google's stats last night and thinking about
> >>> the drop in throughput here over the last couple of years. If you
> >>> could manage say, seven thousand posts a month, we'll be back on
> >>> course.
> >>>
> >>> Good to see you posting again though, you clumsy fucker.
> >>
> >> We need more clumsy cunts laid up at home with fuck all else to do?
> >
> > <waves>
>
> When do you expect to return to the fray then?
Not a clue, still in lots of pain which is no better than it was two
weeks ago.
> Have you had a chance to look at the Bindat and assess the point of
> failure then?
It's had no more than a cursory glance thrown at it now it's stuffed in
the back of the garage.
Alex Heney
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>Finally a doctor gets there, maybe 30-40 minutes after the crash, and
>>I think she gives me some morphine at this point, which helps the
>>breathing somewhat and dulls the awareness of what's happening. A
>>helicopter arrives shortly afterwards
>
>You got a ride in a heli? Bastard.
I get the feeling he wasn't aware enough to get the most out of the
experience :-)
--
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Only those who do nothing make no mistakes.
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Hog
> Hog says...
>> When do you expect to return to the fray then?
>
> Not a clue, still in lots of pain which is no better than it was two
> weeks ago.
Bloody poor show, GWS.
Are you able to Cage it around or utterly grounded.
Monz
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:48:12 +0100, "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote:
> I'd defy _anybody_ to
> be physically, let alone mentally, capable of dropping a bike into a
> bend with 90%+ of front anchors applied. The forces working against
> this are just too strong.
I've tried that one... snapped ACL was the result
--
Monz
Hog
Because you applied so much force through the footpeg or because you
binned it, again
Switters
<markonusene...@yahoo.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
> Christ. You're like one of those blokes that comes upto you in the
> street and says something like "I like bikes but I'm scared of them, my
> mate died on one" etc. etc.
I had one of them the other week. I told him my Grandad died walking down
the street.
Phil Launchbury
I am. I could do with a couple of months with very little to do.
Phil
--
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Triumph Tiger 955i
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'
Hog
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Switters belched forth and ejected the
> following:
>
> Nice one.
Beds, now they are dangerous. It's appalling the number of people dying
in them.
Benny @
"Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4mqhd3F...@individual.net...
> Benny wrote:
>
> > My brother whilst losing the tail rotor on the jet ranger he was
> > flying decided to spiral 300 feet to the ground and suffered the same
> > sort of-ish damage [1]. He was out of work for 6 months, got better
> > and went back flying without regrets.
>
> Pretty amazing to survive an accident like that. Choppers do not appear
> to have safety cells and most impacts are fatal.
>
enough. All the guys said that it was his skills as a pilot that saved his
life. He was towing a banner[1] at labour day weekend and it was his last
flight before flying back. The banner didn't unfold and basically turned
into a wing and the cable removed the tail rotor. His wife wanted to fly
with him on that one but they said no. Luckily for her she wasn't allowed to
go as he hit the ground on the left side.
[1] Company who's banner it was says it was safe [2] and he now admits that
it was probably the most stupid thing he has done, and wont be doing again.
[2] Now being sued for shit loads of $$, and brothers company don't fly
banners anymore.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20050906X01386&key=1 says seriously
injured, but wasn't as worse as it made out.
Champ
>"Le Dieu" <LeD...@OT.net> wrote:
>
>>Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
>
>I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride again.
I wouldn't.
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
Eiron
You have an access control list on your bike? That's cool!
--
Eiron
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
Champ
>You're scenario is probably a case for using counter steering. I've over
>cooked it a couple of times and got away with it by counter steering - with
>a judicious shove of the bars it's amazing just how far the bike will go
>over before the tyres let go. [1].
>
>However, I fully expect the racing types will be along in a minute to tell
>me I'm talking bollocks.
A racing type responds...
You're talking bollocks. Ace has put the points well enough, but to
re-iterate:
1. We all countersteer, all the time. It's the only way to make a
motorcycle turn one over 15~20mph
2. No amount of countersteering will compensate for arriving at a
corner too fast.
Ace had two choices - stand the bike up and brake as hard as possible
in a straightline, or throw the bike in. If he'd taken the latter
approach, he'd probably have had a different sort of accident, and
only luck would have determined if the outcome would have been better
or worse. There is perhaps a tiny chance that he would have got ronud
the corner.
Having said, that I think 99% of people will, 99% of the time, stay on
the brakes - the mental control and detachment required to realise
what is happening, release the brakes and turn into the corner would
be exceptional, imo.
darsy
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:20:03 +0100, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>"Le Dieu" <LeD...@OT.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
>>
>>I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride again.
>
>I wouldn't.
really? Well, I suppose it was just a hobby for him, so a nasty shock
like this might see him pick a different one, despite his obvious
enjoyment of biking.
--
d.
Champ
wrote:
>Benny wrote:
>
>> My brother whilst losing the tail rotor on the jet ranger he was
>> flying decided to spiral 300 feet to the ground and suffered the same
>> sort of-ish damage [1]. He was out of work for 6 months, got better
>> and went back flying without regrets.
>
>Pretty amazing to survive an accident like that. Choppers do not appear
>to have safety cells and most impacts are fatal.
They can do a sort of controlled-crash thing if they lose power -
setting the main rotor to slow the rate of descent. I've met people
who have survived such accidents.
Losing the tail rotor is meant to be one of the worse things that can
happen, tho.
Champ
<ian_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:52:19 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>So, I'm barrelling along a lovely country road on my way to work -
><snip>
>
>My cousin is 12 months on from a car smash that left her with a
>similarly long list of damage. It's a *long* way back from something
>like that
I don't think such generalisations are very useful. Superficially
similar injuries always differ extensively in the detail, and each
individual's response to the injury has a significant effect on
recovery.
For evidence of this, look at Barry Sheene, who was back racing within
weeks of his enormous Daytona crash.
I'm not suggesting that some people are 'stronger' or 'better' than
others - just that comparisons can rarely be made on recovery time.
Champ
<gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>I was only looking at google's stats last night and thinking about the
>drop in throughput here over the last couple of years.
Terrible, isn't it. We used to get a 1000 posts a day, and be one of
the top groups in the world. What went wrong?
Buzby
>>me I'm talking bollocks.
>
> A racing type responds...
>
> You're talking bollocks. Ace has put the points well enough, but to
> re-iterate:
> 1. We all countersteer, all the time. It's the only way to make a
> motorcycle turn one over 15~20mph
> 2. No amount of countersteering will compensate for arriving at a
> corner too fast.
>
> Ace had two choices - stand the bike up and brake as hard as possible
> in a straightline, or throw the bike in. If he'd taken the latter
> approach, he'd probably have had a different sort of accident, and
> only luck would have determined if the outcome would have been better
> or worse. There is perhaps a tiny chance that he would have got ronud
> the corner.
>
> Having said, that I think 99% of people will, 99% of the time, stay on
> the brakes - the mental control and detachment required to realise
> what is happening, release the brakes and turn into the corner would
> be exceptional, imo.
Nice.Thanks.
Lozzo
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Hog says...
>
> >> When do you expect to return to the fray then?
> >
> > Not a clue, still in lots of pain which is no better than it was two
> > weeks ago.
>
> Bloody poor show, GWS.
> Are you able to Cage it around or utterly grounded.
Pretty much grounded. Just been signed off for another week. Can't drive
or ride at the moment.
Hog
I've just been googling around rotary wing accidents. I see some newer
machines which use the turbine exhaust rather than a tail rotor, which
seems sensible. I know about the autogyro landing, having tried some
rotary flying lessons, but that was related to main power failure.
I think it was WUN who was recounting recently that some small planes
have adapted parachute arrester systems. I've wondered about that
possibility for years and..... well I never!
http://www.brsparachutes.com/default.aspx
I'd like something on commercial airliners too please.
Benny @
"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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He doesn't remember but he shut the power off so fast and hard that he
snapped the button that shuts the fuel off on the collective. This stops the
engine turning the rotor and the forces of rotation, the chopper will level,
but you still need quiet a bit of air speed to get lift to the blades to do
an autorotation. He must have got that bit right.
--
Benny
John Wilcock
> Ace had two choices - stand the bike up and brake as hard as possible
> in a straightline, or throw the bike in. If he'd taken the latter
> approach, he'd probably have had a different sort of accident, and
> only luck would have determined if the outcome would have been better
> or worse. There is perhaps a tiny chance that he would have got ronud
> the corner.
Could you keep the pure motorcycle talk to ukrm please? This is getting
decidedly off-topic for us skiers.
[Not that it really matters much given the low traffic on rsre during
the summer, but as a matter of principle...]
PS - Ace, hope your recovery goes as expected and you can indeed get
back on the slopes before the end of next season.
John.
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Hog
> He doesn't remember but he shut the power off so fast and hard that he
> snapped the button that shuts the fuel off on the collective. This
> stops the engine turning the rotor and the forces of rotation, the
> chopper will level, but you still need quiet a bit of air speed to
> get lift to the blades to do an autorotation. He must have got that
> bit right.
I don't like helicopters, period.
Champ
>>>>Has Ace mentioned whether or not he'll ride again?
>>>
>>>I'd be amazingly surprised if Ace didn't ride again.
>>
>>I wouldn't.
>
>really? Well, I suppose it was just a hobby for him, so a nasty shock
>like this might see him pick a different one, despite his obvious
>enjoyment of biking.
It's just a hobby for almost all of us.
I just don't think you can really guess what anyone's reaction will be
to such trauma. I can't imagine giving up riding myself, but I won't
pretend that there's no event that would make me consider it.
And, of course, I've spoken to Bruce recently :-)
Mind you, lots of people say "That's if for me, I'm packing it in", in
the immediate aftermath, and then slowly (or not so slowly) change
their mind. At the TT this year, multiple sidecar winner Dave
Molyneux had a huge accident, and was quoted from his hospital bed
saying he was packing in racing. Two days later he said "I thinking
about it...".
Ben
>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:11:24 +0100, Pip
><gingerbl...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I was only looking at google's stats last night and thinking about the
>>drop in throughput here over the last couple of years.
>
>Terrible, isn't it. We used to get a 1000 posts a day, and be one of
>the top groups in the world. What went wrong?
Bear got sober and Kira left.
--
pending...
sweller
> > We need more clumsy cunts laid up at home with fuck all else to do?
>
> Are you volunteering?
I'm too busy drinking beer, eating sandwiches and destroying the economy.
Sorry.
--
Simon
Phil Launchbury
> Monz wrote:
>
>> "Ace" <see...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:ce0gg2d65q7dbb420...@4ax.com...
>>
>
> You have an access control list on your bike? That's cool!
I do too. And they have teeth.
Paul Corfield
wrote:
How were Tony and Gordon this week?
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Hog
How we dream about the old days, when trade unions represented the local
interests of the particular workers who paid them, rather than swanning
around and ganging up to tell us how we have to wipe our arses.
sweller
> > really? Well, I suppose it was just a hobby for him, so a nasty shock
> > like this might see him pick a different one, despite his obvious
> > enjoyment of biking.
>
> It's just a hobby for almost all of us.
>
> I just don't think you can really guess what anyone's reaction will be
> to such trauma. I can't imagine giving up riding myself, but I won't
> pretend that there's no event that would make me consider it.
Piling the outfit into the Armco last year was a wake up call for me but
six months later I was out and about, at speed, on unsuitable machinery
in unsuitable equipment.
In many ways that is why I like the Guzzi so much as I can ride it at its
absolute limits with all the feedback and fear that comes with that but,
in all honestly, it's still going relatively slowly.
--
Simon
sweller
> I know about the autogyro landing, having tried some rotary flying
> lessons, but that was related to main power failure.
I really want to learn to fly one of those - maybe even build one - if
only to be able to say "Possibly" if anyone asks if it can take two.
--
Simon
Champ
wrote:
>Benny wrote:
>
>> He doesn't remember but he shut the power off so fast and hard that he
>> snapped the button that shuts the fuel off on the collective. This
>> stops the engine turning the rotor and the forces of rotation, the
>> chopper will level, but you still need quiet a bit of air speed to
>> get lift to the blades to do an autorotation. He must have got that
>> bit right.
>
>I don't like helicopters, period.
Poof. They're fantastic machines.
Champ
wrote:
>Pip wrote:
I was wondering if you were at the Brighton shindig this week.
sweller
> > I'm too busy drinking beer, eating sandwiches and destroying the
> > economy. Sorry.
>
> How were Tony and Gordon this week?
Gordon will have to suck my cock, live on TV, if he wants my support.
--
Simon
Hog
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:18:31 +0100, "Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Benny wrote:
>>
>>> He doesn't remember but he shut the power off so fast and hard that
>>> he snapped the button that shuts the fuel off on the collective.
>>> This stops the engine turning the rotor and the forces of rotation,
>>> the chopper will level, but you still need quiet a bit of air speed
>>> to get lift to the blades to do an autorotation. He must have got
>>> that bit right.
>>
>> I don't like helicopters, period.
>
> Poof. They're fantastic machines.
To watch, yes
Paul Corfield
wrote:
So you were convinced by "new" Gordon then?