More economical driving and riding
TOG@Toil
My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town but that's to preserve
my licence rather than fuel. It's had the effect of giving me 70mpg
rather than 65+, but as I do just 28 miles a day on my daily commute,
any saving is an irrelevance, really. What I have noticed is that my
weekly fill-up is now £12, whereas at the beginning of 2010 it was £10
or so.
Other bikes - I don't think fuel costs have changed the way I ride
them at all, actually. But the car - certainly.
Pete Fisher
<ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
"TOG@Toil" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of
wisdom
I noticed the display on the Shiver claimed it was averaging 52 mpg
yesterday though I confess to having the tri-map on 'Touring' mode for
the ride to the Greasy Spoon as it was my first excursion on a bike this
year. Very smooth it is on that setting and still reasonably lively. It
got switched to 'Sport' for the ride home though.
The Mazda 6 seems to run very efficiently at about 80 on the autoroute
though that may be because the cruise control doesn't have to be
over-ridden for mile after mile on the good old A20. Everyone over there
seems to be on cruise with just the odd click difference. Sometimes it
takes an age for overtaking to be accomplished, but even the two lane
sections are so free of traffic so it's not an issue. The 6 usually
returns about 37 mpg which isn't bad for a 2 litre petrol estate.
Knocking it back to 110 Kph doesn't seem to improve it that much. Given
a full on Mobil economy run style with the odd downhill coast during the
French fuel 'situation' in October I managed to get it up to 42 though.
I conducted experiments with SP98 to test the improved economy theory,
but they were inconclusive.
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Krusty
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up.
I've gone from using a bike where possible cos the car did 21mpg on a
run (& considerably less around town), to using the car unless I'm
likely to hit major traffic as the new one does 30mpg+ on a run (around
19mpg around town) on fuel that costs 71p / litre.
--
Krusty
Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Tiger 955i Tiger 885 Fantic Hiro 250
steve auvache
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
>than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
>factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
I expect most folks will introduce some change into their driving habits,
not because the price has gone up but because it has risen so sharply but
the problems will really come in 6 months time when all this is forgotten
and gummint is hurting from their revenues haven taken a dive. Tax will
have to go up and folks will mostly have slipped back into their old
habits so you lot are going to get hit from 2 directions.
I did noticed the article saying that the fuel tax price hike that is in
the works may not happen. This I find odd as one of the mantras coming
out of Whitehall across the board has been that all these tax rises and
things cannot be stopped because they are law left over from the last
government. Amazing how that should be changeable for one rather
popularist thing and yet not for the rest of it, particularly as fuel is
VAT rated so the exchequer automatically will see plenty of benefit from
base price rises as well as the war profiteers.
.
--
steve auvache
Malc
>
> I did noticed the article saying that the fuel tax price hike that is in
> the works may not happen. This I find odd as one of the mantras coming
> out of Whitehall across the board has been that all these tax rises and
> things cannot be stopped because they are law left over from the last
> government. Amazing how that should be changeable for one rather
> popularist thing and yet not for the rest of it, particularly as fuel is
> VAT rated so the exchequer automatically will see plenty of benefit from
> base price rises as well as the war profiteers.
Interesting that isn't it?
--
Malc
Krusty
Not really. Budgets are set based on projected income, & the income
from fuel tax will me more than expected due to the rise in the base
cost, so planned rises may no longer be necessary. They are of course
damned if they do, damned if they don't, & Blair proved on more than
one occasion that any law can be changed at will, even if it means
ignoring a high court ruling.
What is interesting is that anyone's accusing the current government of
being interested in 'popularist' policies.
Malc
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>
difference it makes. I normally get about 40mpg on a normal week.
The ZZR normally gives me about 45mpg on a normal commute at something
like 75-80 average so I doubt if that'll change much.
--
Malc
Hog
So you are another of the slow driving cunts that are driving me crazy. It
was bad enough that people were driving at 50 on NSL roads now it's 45 and
less acceleration. It's defeatism of the very worst kind you know!
911 is going on the road in April, as is the Ducati, so my mpg is going
skywards. Overtaking will be going into the "give the cunts a coronary"
territory.
OTOH my fixed monthly mileage may soon reduce by 800 ;o)
--
Hog
LucretiaBorgia
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up.
I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on. Since
my office hours are 9-5:30 and the car sits in traffic for most of my 5
mile pootle to work and back, I think it'll be cheaper and greener. £34
for four weeks unlimited bus use around town, as opposed to sticking £60
or more into the car? Yes please.
Just need to get some decent headphones for the iPod!
--
^*^ Lucretia ^*^
steve auvache
wrote:
>On 09/03/2011 10:23, TOG@Toil wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>
>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>> up.
><snip>
>
>I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on. Since
>my office hours are 9-5:30 and the car sits in traffic for most of my 5
>mile pootle to work and back, I think it'll be cheaper and greener. £34
>for four weeks unlimited bus use around town, as opposed to sticking £60
>or more into the car? Yes please.
Fuck off, we don't want any of you bleeding workers on our free subsidised
buses thank you very much. We like them just the way they are, as a place
where we can dribble and fart in good company. We don't need hordes of
clean, fresh smelling, sane people spoiling them.
--
steve auvache
LucretiaBorgia
--
^*^ Lucretia ^*^
steve auvache
wrote:
>>
>That's OK, mate, you can sit at the back of the bus and lick the windows =)
Oddly enough, the one place the wrinklies do not go is right to the back
of the bus. I have no idea why but even on foot clinic day the back seat
is always empty and thus all the windows are mine to lick with impunity.
--
steve auvache
Krusty
If I had that sort of commute, I'd buy/build an electric scooter.
doetnietcomputeren
> TOG@Toil wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>
>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
>> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
>> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>>
>> Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town but that's to preserve
>> my licence rather than fuel. It's had the effect of giving me 70mpg
>> rather than 65+, but as I do just 28 miles a day on my daily commute,
>> any saving is an irrelevance, really. What I have noticed is that my
>> weekly fill-up is now £12, whereas at the beginning of 2010 it was £10
>> or so.
>>
>> Other bikes - I don't think fuel costs have changed the way I ride
>> them at all, actually. But the car - certainly.
>
> So you are another of the slow driving cunts that are driving me crazy.
> It was bad enough that people were driving at 50 on NSL roads now it's
> 45 and less acceleration. It's defeatism of the very worst kind you
> know!
Why would it drive you crazy if somebody chooses to drive at the limit,
a shade over the limit, or a touch under the limit in town?
--
dnc
doetnietcomputeren
>
>>>
>> That's OK, mate, you can sit at the back of the bus and lick the windows =)
>
> Oddly enough, the one place the wrinklies do not go is right to the back
> of the bus. I have no idea why but even on foot clinic day the back seat
> is always empty and thus all the windows are mine to lick with impunity.
Efficiency, innit - the further you walk down the bus, the further you
have to walk to get off the bus.
--
dnc
steve auvache
Nope it is not that, people will even sit next to a wog rather than take a
place on an empty back seat. Really, they just don't do it and I cannot
offer an explanation.
--
steve auvache
LucretiaBorgia
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:02:24 +0000 in uk.rec.motorcycles,
> LucretiaBorgia says:
>
>> I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on.
>
> distance from the great unwashed if at all possible.
>
I felt the same but was forced to bus it in while the car was up on
bricks at the dealership (another story for another time) this week. The
buses were mostly empty, there weren't any babies or serious mongos so
it was actually quite pleasant. Also, being a fat fuck, no-one can sit
next to me, hah!
--
^*^ Lucretia ^*^
doetnietcomputeren
>>>> That's OK, mate, you can sit at the back of the bus and lick the windows =)
>>>
>>> Oddly enough, the one place the wrinklies do not go is right to the back
>>> of the bus. I have no idea why but even on foot clinic day the back seat
>>> is always empty and thus all the windows are mine to lick with impunity.
>>
>> Efficiency, innit - the further you walk down the bus, the further you
>> have to walk to get off the bus.
>
> Nope it is not that, people will even sit next to a wog rather than take a
> place on an empty back seat. Really, they just don't do it and I cannot
> offer an explanation.
<Nige> How can they sit next to a wog and not be at the back of the bus?</Nige>
--
dnc
Eiron
Have you thought about getting a bicycle?
--
Eiron.
Jim
@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>
> Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town but that's to preserve
> my licence rather than fuel. It's had the effect of giving me 70mpg
> rather than 65+, but as I do just 28 miles a day on my daily commute,
> any saving is an irrelevance, really. What I have noticed is that my
> weekly fill-up is now £12, whereas at the beginning of 2010 it was £10
> or so.
P recently started a new job and had two offers on the table - one for 5
minutes away from where I work in Southampton and one 60 minutes drive
on the other side of Bournemouth. The further away one paid a lot more
but when you start totting up the costs of running another car for
15,000 miles a year it's a bit of an eye opener. So for that and other
reasons she went for the Southampton job.
I don't think I'm driving much slower, though.
ogden
>
> LucretiaBorgia wrote:
>
> > On 09/03/2011 10:23, TOG@Toil wrote:
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
> > >
> > > My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> > > up.
> > <snip>
> >
> > I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on.
> > Since my office hours are 9-5:30 and the car sits in traffic for most
> > of my 5 mile pootle to work and back, I think it'll be cheaper and
> > greener. £34 for four weeks unlimited bus use around town, as opposed
> > to sticking £60 or more into the car? Yes please. Just need to get
> > some decent headphones for the iPod!
>
> If I had that sort of commute, I'd buy/build an electric scooter.
Or just a plain petrol one. V does about 15 miles a day and it costs her
next to fuck-all to fuel her scooter.
Even using the KTM works out about a third of the cost of commuting by
tube. For fuel, anyway.
--
ogden
gsxr1000 - the gentleman's sports-tourer
ktm duke - the practical cross-town commuter
ogden
I made that mistake when I took this job. I worked out how much it'd
cost me to do the commute, added that to the salary I was on and
negotiated that during the interview.
Forgot about the tax, mind.
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) in uk.rec.motorcycles,
> TOG@Toil says:
>
>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
>> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
>
> that traffic maybe be generally going a bit slower, dullards hogging
> the outer lanes more. The difference in fuel consumption by
> driving/riding like you're 90 as opposed to getting a move on isn't
> enough to bother me.
<applause>
--
Hog
Hog
Isn't that the point of Bendy Buses? Polite folks in the front cabin and
wogs in the rear compartment.
--
Hog
TOG@Toil
> when you start totting up the costs of running another car for
> 15,000 miles a year it's a bit of an eye opener.
Tell me about it. when we were based in Tunbridge Wells, my commute
was 40 miles each way, and in winter I mostly used the car. I was
putting 16k miles on it every year. That was (then) a tenner's worth
of fuel a day, plus other running costs. All out of taxed income.
Jim
bo...@despammed.com says...
> Made sod all difference to mine on either bike or car. I'll concede
> that traffic maybe be generally going a bit slower, dullards hogging
> the outer lanes more. The difference in fuel consumption by
> driving/riding like you're 90 as opposed to getting a move on isn't
> enough to bother me.
I figured this out for my commute.
M27 J1 to J5 is 11 miles, give or take.
At 90mph, 7m20s
At 70mph, 8m50s
I reckon the car does about 5 mpg better, which saves about 0.15 litres,
or about 20 pence at todays prices.
So it costs me 20 pence to save 1.5 minutes. Over a year, 100 quid.
Is it worth 100 quid a year not to be bored for 15 minutes a day? I
think yes.
c...@nospam.netunix.com
> >
> > If I had that sort of commute, I'd buy/build an electric scooter.
>
> Or just a plain petrol one. V does about 15 miles a day and it costs her
> next to fuck-all to fuel her scooter.
>
> Even using the KTM works out about a third of the cost of commuting by
> tube. For fuel, anyway.
Indeed. The little 50cc Chinese scoot reliably achieved around 130mpg
which is not bad when you consider that the throttle will usually be
either at idle or flat out.
The Majesty is good for around 70mpg ridden with moderate aggression which
is roughly the same as the GS500 pootling in a gentlemanly fashion.
Riding or driving like a cnut will obviously use more fuel, the 400/4
just cries out to be thrashed and drinks accordingly.
--
03 GS500K2
78 Honda 400/4 in black
98 Yamaha YP250 Majesty
ogden
OK, I take it back, the anti-oracle has spoken and accordingly an
electric scooter is the only option.
Hog
Electric bicycle more like. No tax or insurance and potentially a bit more
fun.
Have a look at this new Gruber conversion, cool as fuck as it works through
the usual Shimano gear system. 200w though <snort>
http://electricmountainbikes.blogspot.com/2008/11/gruber-assist.html
Obviously one needs at least 500w and 20+mph
China seems to have gone e-bike crazy. Which can't be a bad thing.
--
Hog
LucretiaBorgia
>
> Have you thought about getting a bicycle?
>
bear me in comfort without the tyres popping off.
--
^*^ Lucretia ^*^
steve robinson
£60 to cover 50 miles a week , fuck you either need a service or your
driving a tank
Jim
sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk says...
> Electric bicycle more like. No tax or insurance and potentially a bit
more
> fun.
> Have a look at this new Gruber conversion, cool as fuck as it works through
> the usual Shimano gear system. 200w though <snort>
> http://electricmountainbikes.blogspot.com/2008/11/gruber-assist.html
> Obviously one needs at least 500w and 20+mph
Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the UK, of
course: above that, it is a scooter and needs registration, license,
insurance, helmet, etc.
Krusty
Hog
I said NSL? Which is to say 60 mph A roads. Obviously one ignores any local
"restrictions".
But significant stretches of A road are perfectly safe at 60 as a *minimum*
and most of the rest 50.
Town is a different matter. I completely ignore the speed limit system,
since Gov backed by wankers like Brake took the gloves off. I observe the
road and drive at whatever speed seems safe and appropriate which might be
10 might be 80.
--
Hog
Jim
dontw...@nowhere.invalid says...
> Jim wrote:
> > Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the UK, of
> > course: above that, it is a scooter and needs registration, license,
> > insurance, helmet, etc.
>
> 200W & 15mph according to
> http://www.efficientenergysaving.co.uk/electricbike.html
Well if so, someone should tell Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#United_Kingdom
(it turns out the confusion is that you are allowed 250W on a tandem or
tricycle)
LucretiaBorgia
*Four* weeks, actually.
But yes, I drive a 1.8T Passat, and it likes when I have Rammstein or
Wagner on the stereo. I guess it could be deemed a Panzer... for very
large values of tank.
--
^*^ Lucretia ^*^
doetnietcomputeren
> doetnietcomputeren wrote:
>> On 2011-03-09 13:00:20 +0100, Hog said:
>>
>>> TOG@Toil wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>>>
>>>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>>>> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
>>>> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
>>>> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>>>>
>>>> Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town but that's to
>>>> preserve my licence rather than fuel. It's had the effect of giving
>>>> me 70mpg rather than 65+, but as I do just 28 miles a day on my
>>>> daily commute, any saving is an irrelevance, really. What I have
>>>> noticed is that my weekly fill-up is now £12, whereas at the
>>>> beginning of 2010 it was £10 or so.
>>>>
>>>> Other bikes - I don't think fuel costs have changed the way I ride
>>>> them at all, actually. But the car - certainly.
>>>
>>> So you are another of the slow driving cunts that are driving me
>>> crazy. It was bad enough that people were driving at 50 on NSL
>>> roads now it's 45 and less acceleration. It's defeatism of the very
>>> worst kind you know!
>>
>> Why would it drive you crazy if somebody chooses to drive at the
>> limit, a shade over the limit, or a touch under the limit in town?
>
> I said NSL?
No you didn't. Here:
>>>> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over,
>>>> Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town
>>> So you are another of the slow driving cunts that are driving me
>>> crazy.
and then you mentioned NSL afterwards.
So again, why would it drive you crazy if somebody chooses to drive in
the manner TOG described?
> Which is to say 60 mph A roads. Obviously one ignores any local "restrictions".
> But significant stretches of A road are perfectly safe at 60 as a
> *minimum* and most of the rest 50.
WTF does 'safe' have to do with this conversation?
>
> Town is a different matter. I completely ignore the speed limit system,
> since Gov backed by wankers like Brake took the gloves off. I observe
> the road and drive at whatever speed seems safe and appropriate which
> might be 10 might be 80.
I'm pleased for you - what's your point?
--
dnc
doetnietcomputeren
<left unsnipped>
YT,T,T,C.
--
dnc
Hog
> Jim wrote:
>> Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the UK, of
>> course: above that, it is a scooter and needs registration, license,
>> insurance, helmet, etc.
>
> 200W & 15mph according to
> http://www.efficientenergysaving.co.uk/electricbike.html
In practice nobody GAF.
I see loads of people riding around on full on leccy scooters with no
helmets or number plates. Plod ignores them.
I've just noticed that these, with Panasonics excellent drive system, have
become available in the UK. Power through the gear system. That looks like a
nice bit of kit at a decent price. Pehaps Ben can comment on the cycle parts
etc.
www.onbike.co.uk/sport-electric-bikes/e-motion-sport-max-plus.html
--
Hog
ogden
>
> In article <il81b7$ss9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> dontw...@nowhere.invalid says...
> > Jim wrote:
> > > Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the UK, of
> > > course: above that, it is a scooter and needs registration, license,
> > > insurance, helmet, etc.
> >
> > 200W & 15mph according to
> > http://www.efficientenergysaving.co.uk/electricbike.html
>
> Well if so, someone should tell Wikipedia.
You don't really understand this whole "wiki" thing, do you?
Jim
og...@pre.org says...
> Jim (n...@0.0.0.0) wrote:
> > > > Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the
UK, of
> > > > course: above that, it is a scooter and needs registration, license,
> > > > insurance, helmet, etc.
> > >
> > > 200W & 15mph according to
> > > http://www.efficientenergysaving.co.uk/electricbike.html
> >
> > Well if so, someone should tell Wikipedia.
>
> You don't really understand this whole "wiki" thing, do you?
BTDT, can't be arsed with the bloody-minded people who inhabit it.
Hog
11 lines above here?
>>>>> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over,
>
>>>>> Bikes? I'm keeping the GN down to 30-35 in town
>
>>>> So you are another of the slow driving cunts that are driving me
>>>> crazy.
>
> and then you mentioned NSL afterwards.
>
> So again, why would it drive you crazy if somebody chooses to drive in
> the manner TOG described?
Isn't driving all about setting the best possible time between A and B?
--
Hog
steve auvache
>In article <4d77853c$0$2508$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>,
>sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk says...
>> Electric bicycle more like. No tax or insurance and potentially a bit
>more
>> fun.
>> Have a look at this new Gruber conversion, cool as fuck as it works through
>> the usual Shimano gear system. 200w though <snort>
>> http://electricmountainbikes.blogspot.com/2008/11/gruber-assist.html
>> Obviously one needs at least 500w and 20+mph
>
>Has to be under 250W to be counted an electric bicycle in the UK, of
>course:
Of course some of us would enjoy such a superior power to weight ratio
that a modest 250W would be in the lethal weapons range of performance.
<starts scouring the interweb>
--
steve auvache
steve auvache
wrote:
1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
simple.
--
steve auvache
Krusty
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:29:20 -0000, "Hog"
> >
> > I've just noticed that these, with Panasonics excellent drive
> > system, have become available in the UK. Power through the gear
> > system. That looks like a nice bit of kit at a decent price. Pehaps
> > Ben can comment on the cycle parts etc.
> > www.onbike.co.uk/sport-electric-bikes/e-motion-sport-max-plus.html
>
> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
> simple.
That's new technology for you. Give it a few years & you'll be able to
buy a better one for under 300 quid.
CT
> I figured this out for my commute.
>
> M27 J1 to J5 is 11 miles, give or take.
>
> At 90mph, 7m20s
> At 70mph, 8m50s
>
> I reckon the car does about 5 mpg better, which saves about 0.15
> litres, or about 20 pence at todays prices.
>
> So it costs me 20 pence to save 1.5 minutes. Over a year, 100 quid.
>
> Is it worth 100 quid a year not to be bored for 15 minutes a day? I
> think yes.
I'm glad you worked the actual figures out but I just went straight to:
> Is it worth "some" quid a year not to be bored for "a few" minutes a
> day? I > think yes.
--
Chris
CT
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
"change up at 2,500 rpm in a petrol car"
Fuck. That.
--
Chris
Hog
You haven't met Ben then....
--
Hog
CT
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 02:23:17 -0800 (PST), "TOG@Toil"
> <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
> >
> > My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> > up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
> > than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> > factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>
> It's made a difference to my commuting. If I'm to commute to my base
> office in Worcester daily for a month, it'll cost nearly 400 quid a
> month now.
I do ~35 miles per day, so about a gallon a day. Call it 6 quid / day.
The journey takes 30-40 minutes depending on traffic.
A fill-up is now £70 instead of £60 but it lasts me two weeks,
depending on how much I use the car for non-work journeys.
There are no buses but I could go by train, well two to be exact, plus
a 15 minute walk at one end and a 20 minute walk at the other.
Assuming the trains run on time (ha!) it takes over an hour and a half
door to door. And it's nearly 11 quid a day.
Petrol will have to a *lot* more expensive before I change the way I
drive and I can't ever see me using PT while I'm living and working
where I do.[2]
> For using the GSXR for pleasure? I don't give a toss how much that
> costs.
Big fucking *ding*
[1] I haven't looked into cost of a season ticket as going on the train
just isn't something I am going to do regularly.
[2] After-work pissups in London excepted - it just makes sense!
--
Chris
steve auvache
<dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>steve auvache wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:29:20 -0000, "Hog"
>> >
>> > I've just noticed that these, with Panasonics excellent drive
>> > system, have become available in the UK. Power through the gear
>> > system. That looks like a nice bit of kit at a decent price. Pehaps
>> > Ben can comment on the cycle parts etc.
>> > www.onbike.co.uk/sport-electric-bikes/e-motion-sport-max-plus.html
>>
>> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
>> simple.
>
>That's new technology for you.
No it is not, it is all the fault of fucking greedy cunts wanting instant
riches right now without a thought to the future and the stupid cunts who
still have a credit limit wanting instant gratification and feeding the
greedy cunts who want the instant riches with their hearts desire.
>Give it a few years & you'll be able to
>buy a better one for under 300 quid.
I might not have a few years. Besides, us wrinklies should get that sort
of thing for free. The benefits to society would be immeasurable. Think
of the improvement it would make to the whole bus travel experience for
other people for a start.
--
steve auvache
steve auvache
wrote:
>steve auvache wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:29:20 -0000, "Hog"
>. Pehaps
>>> Ben can comment on the cycle parts etc.
>>> www.onbike.co.uk/sport-electric-bikes/e-motion-sport-max-plus.html
>>
>> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
>> simple.
>
>You haven't met Ben then....
I don't have any issue with someone spending zillions of pounds on a high
tech sprots bike but that is a utility vehicle, plain and simple but it's
price is not. It is a fucking rip off.
--
steve auvache
Krusty
Fuck the pikeys on buses, what about us normal people having to dodge
senile old gimmers wobbling all over the road? It's be hellish.
Vass
news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>up.
fx: looks at company fuel card...
fuel prices have gone up?
--
Vass
Krusty
Go Fuck Yourself.
Hog
> Vass wrote:
>
>>> "TOG@Toil" wrote in message
>> news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>
>>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>>> up.
>>
>> fx: looks at company fuel card...
>> fuel prices have gone up?
>
--
Hog
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:44:21 -0000, "Hog"
>> You haven't met Ben then....
>
> I'll have you know I don't have a single bike worth more than £1600 at
> the moment.
>
> But I do have two and plans for a third.
I have you pinned as the £5000 bicycle frame man, see
--
Hog
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:29:20 -0000, "Hog"
Yes, but the drive system and battery is worth circa £700 and it appears to
be a decent bike?
--
Hog
JackH
> Isn't driving all about setting the best possible time between A and B?
Not always, no.
Especially if one has donned ones best flat cap and driving gloves,
and is going for a waft round the coast of a sunny Sunday.
--
JackH
DozynSleepy
> steve auvache wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:29:20 -0000, "Hog"
>>>
>>> I've just noticed that these, with Panasonics excellent drive
>>> system, have become available in the UK. Power through the gear
>>> system. That looks like a nice bit of kit at a decent price. Pehaps
>>> Ben can comment on the cycle parts etc.
>>> www.onbike.co.uk/sport-electric-bikes/e-motion-sport-max-plus.html
>>
>> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
>> simple.
>
> buy a better one for under 300 quid.
>
I've been waiting for at least two years for the cost of the quality
lightweight efficient motors to become attractive. The price has
remained virtually flat, the Heinzmann electric conversion kits are
still starting at £800.
Don't think there has been that much innovation but I quite like the
look of the Nano motor electric bike conversions. Not enough to fork out
the £640 price for a wheel though.
--
DozynSleepy
JackH
> On 09/03/2011 10:23, TOG@Toil wrote:>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> > My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> > up.
>
>
> I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on.
<Socialist Worker Mode>
Yes, that's exactly what the toffs at the top want the proles to do.
</SM>
--
JackH
Hog
<two clicks up and one right for windage>
--
Hog
Hog
I think the price will remain static and the innovation and quality will
rise.
I've just taken a closer look at an E-Motion. It's the same frame and bars
as my Edinburgh Cycles Revolution Courier. Which is a really feckin nice
bike and as light as I could find short of carbon fibre.
--
Hog
Jim
b...@bensalesDOTME.uk says...
> >> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
> >> simple.
> >
> >You haven't met Ben then....
>
> the moment.
>
> But I do have two and plans for a third.
Mine was 1750 new. In fact, I'm off mountain biking in half an hour.
If that sounds like a lot of money to spend on a bike, consider that I
probably spend as much over the lifetime of the bike on pies & pints
after riding it.
In fact, the pie & pint afterwards costs me about £10 and delivers only
about 1000 kCal: which corresponds nicely to the 500W or so I burn
during the 2 hours I go cycling. I doubt I produce that much at the
crank.
Champ
<xjr1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've looked very seriously at using the bus to work from now on. Since
>my office hours are 9-5:30 and the car sits in traffic for most of my 5
>mile pootle to work and back,
5 miles? Jesus, get a fucking bicycle.
>I think it'll be cheaper and greener. £34
>for four weeks unlimited bus use around town, as opposed to sticking £60
>or more into the car?
Or completely free if you cycle. And it's good for your health too.
--
Champ
We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed.
ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo
neal at champ dot org dot uk
Champ
>> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
>> simple.
>You haven't met Ben then....
heh.
My new road bicycle was a grand, but the government (which really
means you lot) is subsidising me to buy it throught the Cycle to Work
scheme, meaning it's cost me about 500 quid.
Thanks everyone!
Champ
heh.
I refrained from making a similar comment, but seeing as you've put
your head above the parapet, I'll join you.
Bet you haven't got a fuel card for the bike as well, tho, have you?
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:44:21 -0000, "Hog"
> <sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> 1800 squids for a push bike is a bleeding rip off, pure and fucking
>>> simple.
>
>> You haven't met Ben then....
>
> heh.
>
> My new road bicycle was a grand, but the government (which really
> means you lot) is subsidising me to buy it throught the Cycle to Work
> scheme, meaning it's cost me about 500 quid.
>
> Thanks everyone!
We expect you to use it every day during the summer.
Do you really drive up to near Birmingham airport every day? it sounds a
bit hideous.
--
Hog
Scraggy
>
>Even using the KTM works out about a third of the cost of commuting by
>tube. For fuel, anyway.
What's the miles/subframe rate?
--
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as
members. Groucho Marx
Hog
>
> I'd love one of these, that an ex-ukrmer has just posted elsewhere...
>
> http://www.brianrourke.co.uk/rourke-reynolds-953-cycle-frameset-p-245.html
Bargain!
One wouldn't paint it shirly. It should be the De Lorean of bicycles
--
Hog
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:59:16 -0000, "Vass"
> <ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> "TOG@Toil" wrote in message
>> news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>
>>> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>>> up.
>
>> fx: looks at company fuel card...
>> fuel prices have gone up?
>
> heh.
>
> I refrained from making a similar comment, but seeing as you've put
> your head above the parapet, I'll join you.
>
> Bet you haven't got a fuel card for the bike as well, tho, have you?
How do they go about taxing you on that?
--
Hog
Hog
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:46:29 -0000, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Even using the KTM works out about a third of the cost of commuting
>> by tube. For fuel, anyway.
>
> What's the miles/subframe rate?
Ah you seem to be something of a Seer
--
Hog
Hog
> You could spend that much money on a normal bike and go just as quick,
> with roughly the same effort. Those things are heavy and don't go up
> hills very well so you have to pedal to aid.
Oh hardly. Power rocks!
--
Hog
R C Nesbit
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
I've actually been working mostly from home for the past couple of
months. The trip to my office is around 30 miles round trip.
When I went every day I was topping up the tank every week £40+ quid or
so. Now I fill up once for > £60 and it usually lasts about a month.
--
Rob_P
UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl)
FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabriolet (gone)
Looks like Rab C Nesbit.
Krusty
> >fuel prices have gone up?
>
> heh.
>
> I refrained from making a similar comment, but seeing as you've put
> your head above the parapet, I'll join you.
>
> Bet you haven't got a fuel card for the bike as well, tho, have you?
GO FUCK YOURSELF!
ogden
>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:46:29 -0000, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >Even using the KTM works out about a third of the cost of commuting by
> >tube. For fuel, anyway.
>
> What's the miles/subframe rate?
Dropping by the day.
Harrumph.
--
ogden
gsxr1000 - the gentleman's sports-tourer
ktm duke - the practical cross-town commuter
Scraggy
steve auvache
wrote:
Made in a factory in NI funded by some dubiously acquired government money
granted to a bankrupt coke dealer and never achieving sufficient market
penetration to repay the development costs?
--
steve auvache
The Older Gentleman
> Or completely free if you cycle. And it's good for your health too.
<Cue London cunt cyclists diversion>
I watched some twat sail through a red light in Stockwell, on my way
home this evening.
Family was crossing the road. Little kid, must have been all of three,
was running ahead of his parents, as they do. Twat cyclist missed him by
this --> <-- much. Kid reacted in time, reeled back, and fell sprawling.
Twat cyclist just fucked off.
There's another cunt, on my commuting route, on a red and white
Specialized, who wears a white cycle helmet, who seems to specialise in
this, as well. I'm going to ram the cunt one day.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple
Suzuki TS250ERx2 GN250. Only seven bikes now.
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
steve auvache
>On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:16:33 -0000, "Hog"
>I'd go with the part-painted. It gives a very traditional look
>steel-frame look, to an ultra-modern bike. It's great.
For a combination of traditional and modern looks then Hammerite Carbon
Finish has got to be the answer, Shirley. Brushed, not sprayed, of
course.
--
steve auvache
Dan L
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
>
> my licence rather than fuel. It's had the effect of giving me 70mpg
> rather than 65+, but as I do just 28 miles a day on my daily commute,
> any saving is an irrelevance, really. What I have noticed is that my
> weekly fill-up is now £12, whereas at the beginning of 2010 it was £10
> or so.
>
> Other bikes - I don't think fuel costs have changed the way I ride
> them at all, actually. But the car - certainly.
>
My car driving habits have changed identically to yours since fuel
pricing became exorbitant. I also now make a conscious effort to do the
major fill ups at Tesco to get some clubcard points.
As for the bike, no comment, it's been on the shed since September.
--
Dan L not using a PC
wessie
news:1296558886321390920.406371dan.DONTSENDMEYOURCRAP.yodanet-
gmai...@news.individual.net:
> As for the bike, no comment, it's been on the shed since September.
>
that'll teach you to lend it to Dougie Lampkin
--
wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
Vass
"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:hjgfn6pb11dthea0s...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:59:16 -0000, "Vass"
> <ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>?>"TOG@Toil" wrote in message
>>news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>>
>>>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>>>up.
>
>>fx: looks at company fuel card...
>>fuel prices have gone up?
>
> heh.
>
> I refrained from making a similar comment, but seeing as you've put
> your head above the parapet, I'll join you.
>
> Bet you haven't got a fuel card for the bike as well, tho, have you?
it appears to work for both
--
Vass
Vass
"Hog" <sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d77c41c$0$2506$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
(considered private mileage), I'd be out of pocket if I opted not to have
the card.
--
Vass
ginge
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
>than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
>factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
I frequently stick the cruise control at 77, and get 53 MPG on a long
enough run.
Also have been known to get about 40MPG round town, those VW diesels
are amazing.
Take that, suckers!
ginge
<ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk> wrote:
>?>"TOG@Toil" wrote in message
>news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
>
>>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
>>up.
>
>fx: looks at company fuel card...
>fuel prices have gone up?
Christ I miss having a fuel card.
Higgins
Would this be a bad time to point towards my tax-free petrol card?
Gyp
> My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> up. I tend to peg the cruise control at 70 or a shade over, rather
> than 75-80 (which allows for speedo error and the 'forgiveness
> factor'). Then again, I'm generally using the car on long journeys.
I'm trying to keep the average on the Octavia above 50mpg, which is
taking some doing, but then I've always tried to eek the mpg out of the car
> Other bikes - I don't think fuel costs have changed the way I ride
> them at all, actually. But the car - certainly.
I'm not sure it's changed the way I ride, but it's certainly made me
aware of the consumption, and I'll probably choose the car over the bike
if I just need transport due to the consumption.
The Grand Tour planned for the summer is proving interesting as it looks
like taking the bike will cost 1/2 as much again in fuel as taking the
car, which seems mental. I wouldn't take the car, but even so.
--
Gyp
ogden
>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:59:16 -0000, "Vass"
> <ma...@XXREMOVEXXdoubleyolk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >?>"TOG@Toil" wrote in message
> >news:ec18f34c-08fc-41d4...@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12664047
> >
> >>My car driving habits have certainly changed since fuel prices went
> >>up.
>
> >fx: looks at company fuel card...
> >fuel prices have gone up?
>
> heh.
>
> I refrained from making a similar comment, but seeing as you've put
> your head above the parapet, I'll join you.
>
> Bet you haven't got a fuel card for the bike as well, tho, have you?
That must be great comfort to you while you sit at home, gazing at the
bike out of the window, wishing you weren't paying for three properties
and could go and ride it with free petrol.
ogden
Pah. My car uses some fuel to do some miles.
I fear the fuel bill from the drive to Rimini though - that's going to
be a shocker.