TRAIL or TRIAL or TRIALS bike, HELP!!!!
Dan Howells
dad says it's not a "Trials bike" its a "TRAIL" bike as he's got something
called a Yamaha TY250 which is a "Trial" bike, Another friend of mine has
got a bike called a Honda XL250 and he calls it an "Enduro" bike but my dad
insists its a "Trail" bike. Frankly I'm confused. Can't see much
difference. They've all got knobbly tyres, the Suzuki and the Honda have
higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
TRIALS ... Anyone know the real difference??
Nitrous Oxide
<abcd.g...@btinternet.com> did cut boon whids thus:
Listen to your Dad - he's dead right! Trials is:
http;//www.trials.net
Trail is what you get here - uk.rec.motorcycles.trailriding
Rather than go into a long explanation just talk to your old
man.......
http://www.motorcycle.co.uk
Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio
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Andy Hanson
>A friend of mine who's got a Suzuki TS125 calls it a "Trials bike", but
my
>dad says it's not a "Trials bike" its a "TRAIL" bike as he's got
something
>called a Yamaha TY250 which is a "Trial" bike, Another friend of mine
has
>got a bike called a Honda XL250 and he calls it an "Enduro" bike but my
dad
>insists its a "Trail" bike. Frankly I'm confused. Can't see much
>difference. They've all got knobbly tyres, the Suzuki and the Honda
have
>higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
>TRIALS ... Anyone know the real difference??
Listen to your old man.
A trials bike is a competition machine designed to negotiate obstacles
(natural and man-made these days). Speed is not a factor per se,
although often useful when climbing steep banks, etc. A TY250 is indeed
a pukka trials bike.
An enduro bike is also a competition machine used to compete in
cross-country races. Although they are often road legal, this is only
so they can cross roads, etc during races. They have the bear minimum
of road tackle -- think of them as motocrossers with tiny headlamps and
tail lights.
A trail bike is basically a dual purpose machine -- fully road legal,
but with the ability to venture off-road. You could do a spot of green
laning on an XL250, but it would never cope with any trials-type
obstacles. I don't know too much about enduro, but I suspect the TS125s
and XL250s are often used as entry level bikes, but they wouldn't be
competitive against full-blown enduro bikes (given the same rider
ability, or course!).
That's the way I see it -- some folks round here may disagree with me
though...... ;o)
Andy
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: A friend of mine who's got a Suzuki TS125 calls it a "Trials bike", but my
: dad says it's not a "Trials bike" its a "TRAIL" bike as he's got something
: called a Yamaha TY250 which is a "Trial" bike, Another friend of mine has
: got a bike called a Honda XL250 and he calls it an "Enduro" bike but my dad
: insists its a "Trail" bike. Frankly I'm confused. Can't see much
: difference. They've all got knobbly tyres, the Suzuki and the Honda have
: higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
: TRIALS ... Anyone know the real difference??
The TS125 and XL250 are trail bikes, the TY250 is a trials bike.
Trials and enduro bikes are for competition use whereas trail bikes
are meant for road use and a bit of greenlaning (sp?).
Blair.
Nitrous Oxide
IT Services) did cut boon whids thus:
> The TS125 and XL250 are trail bikes, the TY250 is a trials bike.
> Trials and enduro bikes are for competition use whereas trail bikes
> are meant for road use and a bit of greenlaning (sp?).
But just to confuse matters - trail bikes can be used in competition
events such as long distance trials - like the Lands End one......and
there are trailbike classes in some enduros.
Simple way is a trail bike or enduro bike will never ride over the
side of a transit van which a pukka modern trials bike will do.
Haven't tried it for a while tho;)
Steve Williams
the Honda have
>higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
>TRIALS ... Anyone know the real difference??
To add my two penneth worth:
Trials: Slow (yet often very powerful) bikes that negotiate obstacles where
putting your feet down is usually a big no-no. Totally off road biased and
often as not have miniscule fuel tanks and seats. I do know of one guy who
goes trailriding on a trials bike but this is pretty uncommon, I would say.
Trails: Off road bikes that are road legal and equally at home on the road
as off road - although the bigger ones (arguably) and not really suited for
off-road use at all. Tyres and suspension on trail bikes make them less
useful off-road as a dedicated off-road machine. The fact that they are
(often) loaded with mirrors, indicators, electric starters, speedos, better
lights etc make them heavier than enduro kit. Ideal for Sunday jaunts
off-road with your mates, and can be ridden to work as well during the week
if necessary. Not too many new models to choose from these days: DT125,
KMX125, KLR250, DR350 and XL125 just about covers the stuff you would get
from your local mainstream dealer and use offroad, though there are some
heroes about on bigge bikes. Trail bikes are probably the best bet for
beginners and those who can't afford to run more than one bike. Trail riding
itself is non-competitive point to point riding involving trails (actually
"roads" legally in most cases) and roadwork linking them up.
Enduro: Unlikely to have indicators, mirrors, warrantees(!), chain guards
etc. Often as not you will buy them from off-road specialists rather than
your high street dealer. Usually fitted with extremely knobbly tyres (and
less likely to be road legal than a trail bike). Tend to be ridden fast in
competition use with suspension tuned to match. Often used for trail-riding
by more experienced/enthusiastic trailriders, but less likely to be used as
commuters during the week! Ideal for competitive use though. Typical
examples: XR250, KDX200. Enduro riding will involve much less roadwork than
trail-riding and is competitive (the other riders won't wait for you at the
end of each section!). The off-road bits on enduros are not "roads" in the
legal sense (private land etc I suppose).
stevew
Paul Friday
Buy a copy of Trials & Motorcross News and look in the back. Pick an
event listed under Trials Regs near you. Go and see what a Trial is.
You'll be amazed what some people can ride a bike up (or down).
It's a hoot.
Paul Friday
To email, remove the junk from the address.
Doug Hunter
common. Hondas were TL's.
The Yamaha TY is also a trials bike. Honda XL's are trail bikes, though the
XR's could be called enduros!
Still confused? Don't worry, just ride!
Doug Hunter
Dan Howells <abcd.g...@btinternet.com> wrote in article
<76tugh$i1a$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
> A friend of mine who's got a Suzuki TS125 calls it a "Trials bike", but
my
> dad says it's not a "Trials bike" its a "TRAIL" bike as he's got
something
> called a Yamaha TY250 which is a "Trial" bike, Another friend of mine
has
> got a bike called a Honda XL250 and he calls it an "Enduro" bike but my
dad
> insists its a "Trail" bike. Frankly I'm confused. Can't see much
> difference. They've all got knobbly tyres, the Suzuki and the Honda have
> higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
> TRIALS ... Anyone know the real difference??
>
>
>
>
>
Nitrous Oxide
did cut boon whids thus:
>Your dad is right! Suzuki "Trials" bikes were called RL's, and aren't
>common.
Hate to be a pedantic fussy so an so but as I am - the RL was a Mick
Whitlock frame marketed as a Beamish Suzuki with a variant on the
TS250 motor (trail bike motor) and they (the RL) are still common for
that era bike. There was also the Alta Suzuki before that with the
weenie motor and amomcoque style frame and heaps of gears.
>Hondas were TL's.
TLs not being proper pukka trials bikes at the time but the RTL was.
>The Yamaha TY is also a trials bike.
True.
>Honda XL's are trail bikes, though the
And true but the Yanks call them dualsports.
>XR's could be called enduros!
True - Quasi Enduro;) - but can do trail, enduro, road, supermoto and
race track days.....and upset all them wussie road riders on UKRM in
the process. Ooops! Did I just crosspost this.
>Still confused?
Aye;)
Doc Gonz0
<Paul....@devce.JUNK.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <76tugh$i1a$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, Dan Howells
><abcd.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>Anyone know the real difference??
>
>Buy a copy of Trials & Motorcross News and look in the back. Pick an
>event listed under Trials Regs near you. Go and see what a Trial is.
>You'll be amazed what some people can ride a bike up (or down).
>It's a hoot.
>
Whatever happened to Kickstart with Peter Purves, anyway?
--
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But enough of my problems, how are you?
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Floyd
TheClinic.Freeserve.Co.Uk> writes
>On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:19:05 +0000, Paul Friday
><Paul....@devce.JUNK.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <76tugh$i1a$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, Dan Howells
>><abcd.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>Anyone know the real difference??
>>
>>Buy a copy of Trials & Motorcross News and look in the back. Pick an
>>event listed under Trials Regs near you. Go and see what a Trial is.
>>You'll be amazed what some people can ride a bike up (or down).
>>It's a hoot.
>>
>Whatever happened to Kickstart with Peter Purves, anyway?
>
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Jon
bikes delicate do I need to take it easy off-road ?
Steve Williams wrote in message ...
>>Can't see much difference. They've all got knobbly tyres, the Suzuki and
>the Honda have
>>higher mudguards and they all get dirty and muddy. TRAIL ... TRIAL ...
Claus Rittig Christensen
Jon <not@going to mail me.co.uk> wrote in article
<77gbt5$930$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> Recentyl I've bought a DT200WR which is a trail bike I think, are all
trail
> bikes delicate do I need to take it easy off-road ?
I recently bought a DT200WR (it's called WR200R in some countries -
including mine - but it's the same bike) for enduro racing. For enduro it's
not exactly a rocket, yet, just like the Kawa KDX200 it's a very popular
bike for sub-world-elite-level riders, and it's by no means a slow bike.
The WR is more an enduro bike than it is a trail-bike, and it's not
fragile. No need to take it easy, hammer away all you like.
I ride in Aalborg Off-Road MC Club in Denmark, and two of my club-mates
ride the WR too, for both motocross, trail-riding and enduro-racing.
Another mate used to ride one, and two of our friends from Aarhus Off-Road
MC Club rides WR's in enduro's too. One of them is aiming at the danish
championship (elite level) this year, and since he was 4th this year on a
heavily modified TT350 (USD fork, Ohlins etc.) he might actually be able to
do good on the WR.
Good luck with your new bike, hope you'll be as happe with it, as I am with
mine...
Claus Rittig,
Aalborg, DK
Jon
nobody really seems to know! I know mine isnt a DT200R but I'm not sure If
it a DT200WR, WR200 or as you said there is no difference. Mine has
engine/frame no. starting 3xp and also has USD forks and oil pump (not
premix 2t).
I'd really like to find out what it is, because I want to put a FMF
front pipe on it and they only make one for a WR200 (I have a WR200 FMF tail
pipe which fits perfectly).
Claus Rittig Christensen wrote in message
<01be3eea$13919550$3cf814ac@h-08518>...
Jon
nobody really seems to know! I know mine isnt a DT200R but I'm not sure If
engine/frame no. starting 3xp and also has USD forks and oil pump (not
premix 2t).
I'd really like to find out what it is, because I want to put a FMF
front pipe on it and they only make one for a WR200 (I have a WR200 FMF tail
pipe which fits perfectly).
mean I have to take it easy off-road.
jon
Windswept
> What is the difference between the DT200WR, Wr200, DT200R, and WR200R
> nobody really seems to know! I know mine isnt a DT200R but I'm not sure
If
> engine/frame no. starting 3xp and also has USD forks and oil pump (not
> premix 2t).
> I'd really like to find out what it is, because I want to put a FMF
> front pipe on it and they only make one for a WR200 (I have a WR200 FMF
tail
> pipe which fits perfectly).
>
Give the Container Company in Norwich a bell (sorry don't have the number
on me but it's in TBM). They sent me a big list explaining the models and
the differences between most of the Japanese trailies and enduros.
Now all I have to do is decide whether to by a KDX220SR or if I can afford
a CRM250AR!
--
Dave
Nitrous Oxide
did cut boon whids thus:
>Give the Container Company in Norwich a bell (sorry don't have the number
>on me but it's in TBM).
http://freespace.virgin.net/nick.warner/
or email to fax
FAO_Nick/Container_Compan...@441362695554.iddd.tpc.int
Wales and Norwich shop
01362 698147
01443 486648
ElBandito
Jon.
Windswept <dave.m...@NoSpam.co.uk> wrote in article
<01be3f9b$3aa78350$b6785790@itc220566>...
> Jon wrote
> > What is the difference between the DT200WR, Wr200, DT200R, and WR200R
-snip- > > pipe which fits perfectly).
> >
>
> Give the Container Company in Norwich a bell (sorry don't have the number
Nitrous Oxide
did cut boon whids thus:
>As Homer so eloquently put 'Ummmm, Purple...."
>Jon.
You think of Homer and I'll think of Homer.
Who then is Homer?
The Homer of Homeric questions or the modern one of Homeric laughter?
Claus Rittig Christensen
<77iqee$jns$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> What is the difference between the DT200WR, Wr200, DT200R, and WR200R
If
> engine/frame no. starting 3xp and also has USD forks and oil pump (not
> premix 2t).
> I'd really like to find out what it is, because I want to put a FMF
> front pipe on it and they only make one for a WR200 (I have a WR200 FMF
tail
> pipe which fits perfectly).
> mean I have to take it easy off-road.
The DT200R is (I am told) just a DT125R with a slightly different
displacement - a trail bike.
The DT200WR, WR200R is essentially the same bike, but the WR200R has no oil
pump. Also, the DT200WR has turn signals, passenger-pegs and different
colors, at least that's the difference in the japanese market, so I'm
assuming it's the same in the rest of the world - I know, I know, dangerous
assumption when applied to japanese products, but I think the small number
of WR's produced justifies it.
I'll mail you a picture of a DT200WR and WR200R next to each other - I'm
not allowed to put it on this NG, am I?
The entire exhaust system is the same for the two bikes. I use the DEP
Sport system, which is just fine (and weighs considerably less than the
original).
Repeat: It's NOT a delicate trail-bike.
Just fitted mine with Ceet decals (looks... erh... different) and a UFO
KDX-style headlight for durability. A new lightbulb for the original
headlight (japanese halogen thing) cost the equivalent of half an F16, and
the UFO lamp is rubber-mounted, which resists crashes a whole lot better.
Yeah, well, unsceduled dismounts happen even to the best.
Claus Rittig, DK
johnsta...@x-stream.co.uk
on www.trail.freeserve.co.uk. this explains all about what to do and where
you can do it LEGALLY!
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Neil Murray
> on www.trail.freeserve.co.uk. this explains all about what to do and where
> you can do it LEGALLY!
.... writes someone whose newsreader is set for "reply to any defunct
thread".
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Nitrous Oxide
(Neil Murray) did cut boon whids thus:
><johnsta...@x-stream.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> on www.trail.freeserve.co.uk. this explains all about what to do and where
>> you can do it LEGALLY!
>
>.... writes someone whose newsreader is set for "reply to any defunct
>thread".
And gives a reply that is inaccurate. So tell me my TRF buddies -
where do/can we ride LEGALLY in Scotland?
FJ JOHN
access.i am told that you can ride anywhere you want as long as you cause no
damage,but i wouldn`t like to try it !! sounds like you are the ideal
candidate for doing some serious research into it and then froming the
scottish section of the trf. thanks in advance for lots of accurate info on
the subject. xr john
Nitrous Oxide
cut boon whids thus:
<snip redundant stuff>
> trf okay for england and wales,scotland has weird laws about right of
>access.i am told that you can ride anywhere you want as long as you cause no
>damage,but i wouldn`t like to try it !! sounds like you are the ideal
>candidate for doing some serious research into it
Been there done that about the time the TRF lost all it's funds when
that unfortunate chap took his life. I spoke to the TRF and LARA
about the legal position up here. I ended up doing the research out of
my own pocket and time. Cost me a lot. Wrote about the legal position
in TBM in Jan 97. Do stuff about it via my Listserv and write to gov
bodies andsome stuff on my Webpages. Didn't join TRF cos we'd deplete
funds if anything went to court up here and anyhow I was/am eligible
for legal aid but that would depend on the case.
>and then froming the
>scottish section of the trf. thanks in advance for lots of accurate info on
>the subject.
Plenty more but I'm afraid the TRF need to invest up here to get
results. A friend is now leaving because like me he can't afford the
phone calls/expenses of going to meetings. e.g I went to a meeting
about the Corriyairick pass but couldn't get any expenses. I also
applied for a job with LARA but no joy. Scotland is a backwater when
it comes to organised pressure trail rider groups. The TRF would be
ideal, but in my view it's too English-centric.
I'm an Englishman BTW.
Bob Scott
>
><snip redundant stuff>
>
>
>Plenty more but I'm afraid the TRF need to invest up here to get
>results. A friend is now leaving because like me he can't afford the
>phone calls/expenses of going to meetings. e.g I went to a meeting
>about the Corriyairick pass but couldn't get any expenses.
Do you know what the current state of play is regarding the various
Wade/Caulfield roads (esp. Corrieyarick)? I've wanted to try the
military roads for years, but the lack of trail bike (& trail biking
friends) has meant I've never got around to it. I'd hate to have missed
the boat.
> Scotland is a backwater when
>it comes to organised pressure trail rider groups. The TRF would be
>ideal, but in my view it's too English-centric.
>
Scotland, unfortunately, is a bit of a backwater with regard to a lot of
motorcycling things.
--
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"I was at the lowest point in my life - my house left me, the bank
reposessed my wife, my dog was leaking oil and my bike died - then I
found the word of Sochiro..."
Nitrous Oxide
did cut boon whids thus:
>Do you know what the current state of play is regarding the various
>Wade/Caulfield roads (esp. Corrieyarick)? I've wanted to try the
>military roads for years, but the lack of trail bike (& trail biking
>friends) has meant I've never got around to it. I'd hate to have missed
>the boat.
The man you need to speak to is: Alec Sutherland - 01463 702282
Highland regional Council. The pass is an asserted vehicular right of
way. Alex is a member of the SROWS (Scottish Rights of way Society)
and is generally regarded as the spokesman for vehicular matters. His
day job deals with the pass and it has been and may still be the
subject of a voluntary restraint order. Other wade/Caulfield roads can
be considred as claimed if not asserted rights of way as cart and
carriage access conveys a vehicular right however that relies on usage
and assert ones common law right over the prescriptive 20 year period.
many have not been documented as such even though they may be
vehicular rights of way. it's a suck it and see siutuation. e.g. a
short strecth near my house is closed simply because the land owner
built a wall and no one has challenged that.
>
>> Scotland is a backwater when
>>it comes to organised pressure trail rider groups. The TRF would be
>>ideal, but in my view it's too English-centric.
>>
>Scotland, unfortunately, is a bit of a backwater with regard to a lot of
>motorcycling things.
Works in our favout though when it comes to lack of vehicles on
tarmac. Great biking. PS. Your sig - ought it not to say: My wife
possesed the bank...