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Bear

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May 8, 2006, 4:37:46 PM5/8/06
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My charming and lovely ex has a house she rents out in Newport, south
wales. She's not minted, so needs to spend as little as possible on said
domicile, as the rent only just covers the mortgage payments, and her
day job as a special needs teacher is obviously not well paid. She rents
a room with a mate to save dosh.

Yesterday, the CH went titsup.com, and the tenant (a decent enough chap,
if a bit weird), quite rightly called it in ... this is an old, terraced
house, BTW, and it's currently a back boiler system behind the gas fire
in the living room.

The estimate of damage thus far is staggering (well, to me, at any
rate); the "flue line integrity has gone", which on its own would be
£550 to fix, apparently, but as the boiler is 25+ years old, and a back
boiler design, they're recommending fitting a new combi boiler, for
which work she's currently being quoted between £1,300 and £2,500.

This is obviously a shedload of dosh she doesn't have, ergo I'd love to
know a) is that a reasonable amount of money for the work? (I suspect it
is) and, more importantly, b) is there anyone in or near the area who
could do better, price-wise. She doesn't need a cosmetically perfect,
"as before or better" job done on the living room, as she's happy to do
painting & decorating after the major work, but it does (obviously) need
to be a good, safe, job.

I don't often ask for stuff on here, but I'd consider it a singular,
personal favour if someone could help out, or put her in touch with
someone who can help her at a better price, as it's driving her potty
with worry ATM. Whatever has to happen has to happen quickly, as in the
next few days (week at most), as the tenant is keen to see heat and hot
water returned to him ASAP, although of course he's got an immersion
heater backup, and it's not cold ATM, but still.

My email is the same as ever, and if someone needs to phone me then just
email me and I'll give you my mobile number.

Thanks.
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DoetNietComputeren

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May 8, 2006, 4:50:45 PM5/8/06
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Bear wrote:

> I don't often ask for stuff on here, but I'd consider it a singular,
> personal favour if someone could help out, or put her in touch with
> someone who can help her at a better price, as it's driving her potty
> with worry ATM.

I'm afraid I can't help, but, these cloggies don't make a habit of
buying their central heating boilers, many instead prefer to lease them.

I'd not previously heard of it, but, are there any companies in the UK
doing similar? It might cost her more in the long term, but it coul
provide a more palatable solution in monthly terms.

Also, iirc there's some govt. grants available for moving to more
eco-friendly boilers. Try here for a starter: http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/

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Bear

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May 8, 2006, 4:51:49 PM5/8/06
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 22:50:45 +0200, DoetNietComputeren said ...

> Bear wrote:
>
> > I don't often ask for stuff on here, but I'd consider it a singular,
> > personal favour if someone could help out, or put her in touch with
> > someone who can help her at a better price, as it's driving her potty
> > with worry ATM.
>
> I'm afraid I can't help, but, these cloggies don't make a habit of
> buying their central heating boilers, many instead prefer to lease them.
>
> I'd not previously heard of it, but, are there any companies in the UK
> doing similar? It might cost her more in the long term, but it coul
> provide a more palatable solution in monthly terms.
>
> Also, iirc there's some govt. grants available for moving to more
> eco-friendly boilers. Try here for a starter: http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/

Cheers for trying to help, it's appreciated. I'll pass on the advice.

DoetNietComputeren

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May 8, 2006, 4:52:12 PM5/8/06
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DoetNietComputeren wrote:

> Also, iirc there's some govt. grants available for moving to more
> eco-friendly boilers. Try here for a starter: http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/

Bad form, this is a bit more direct:
http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/gid/index.cfm?sec=1

raden

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May 8, 2006, 6:30:12 PM5/8/06
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In message <MPG.1ec9bc741...@news.individual.de>, Bear
<bastard...@gmail.com> writes

>My charming and lovely ex has a house she rents out in Newport, south
>wales. She's not minted, so needs to spend as little as possible on said
>domicile, as the rent only just covers the mortgage payments, and her
>day job as a special needs teacher is obviously not well paid. She rents
>a room with a mate to save dosh.
>
... ...

>
>My email is the same as ever, and if someone needs to phone me then just
>email me and I'll give you my mobile number.
>

Email me at geoff@cetltd,com

I can't promise, but I might be able to call in a favour from a welsh
customer

The price really doesn't sound too bad to me

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raden

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May 8, 2006, 6:30:12 PM5/8/06
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In message <4c9p92F...@individual.net>, DoetNietComputeren
<doesnotcompu...@gmail.com> writes

>Bear wrote:
>
>> I don't often ask for stuff on here, but I'd consider it a singular,
>>personal favour if someone could help out, or put her in touch with
>>someone who can help her at a better price, as it's driving her potty
>>with worry ATM.
>
>I'm afraid I can't help, but, these cloggies don't make a habit of
>buying their central heating boilers, many instead prefer to lease them.
>
>I'd not previously heard of it, but, are there any companies in the UK
>doing similar?

Not that I've ever heard of

>It might cost her more in the long term, but it coul provide a more
>palatable solution in monthly terms.
>
>Also, iirc there's some govt. grants available for moving to more
>eco-friendly boilers. Try here for a starter:
>http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/
>

Not an immediate solution though, it takes several centuries to get
things sorted from what I've heard

--
geoff

Bear

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May 8, 2006, 6:38:14 PM5/8/06
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 22:30:12 GMT, raden said ...

> In message <MPG.1ec9bc741...@news.individual.de>, Bear
> <bastard...@gmail.com> writes
> >My charming and lovely ex has a house she rents out in Newport, south
> >wales. She's not minted, so needs to spend as little as possible on said
> >domicile, as the rent only just covers the mortgage payments, and her
> >day job as a special needs teacher is obviously not well paid. She rents
> >a room with a mate to save dosh.
> >
> ... ...
>
> >
> >My email is the same as ever, and if someone needs to phone me then just
> >email me and I'll give you my mobile number.
> >
> Email me at geoff@cetltd,com

Will do, ta.

> I can't promise, but I might be able to call in a favour from a welsh
> customer

That's very kind of you, thanks.

> The price really doesn't sound too bad to me

Nor did it me, for what's involved (tearing out the old, plumbing in the
new), but if I can save her some money I'd like to.

She put up with me for 2 years, FFS; she deserves some sort of
recompense.

wessie

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May 8, 2006, 6:57:08 PM5/8/06
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Bear emerged from their own little world to say

> On Mon, 08 May 2006 22:30:12 GMT, raden said ...
>

>> The price really doesn't sound too bad to me
>
> Nor did it me, for what's involved (tearing out the old, plumbing in
> the new), but if I can save her some money I'd like to.
>

AOL

I had to get a new boiler fitted in mum's place in Feb 2005. That cost
£1100 just to drain the system, rip out the old one and fit a new one. Done
by the local Worcester-Bosch recommended installer.

The other thing to bear in mind is that a new boiler is likely to save the
tenant money in running costs. Hot water will be heated on demand rather
than a tank at a time. It's not unreasonable to claw back some of this
saving through a rent increase.

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Wicked Uncle Nigel

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May 8, 2006, 7:03:34 PM5/8/06
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
<bastard...@gmail.com> typed

>
>She put up with me for 2 years, FFS; she deserves some sort of
>recompense.

I met her. She's very nice.


And so is her guide dog.

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Bear

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May 8, 2006, 7:07:07 PM5/8/06
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 22:57:08 GMT, wessie said ...

> Bear emerged from their own little world to say

> > Nor did it me, for what's involved (tearing out the old, plumbing in
> > the new), but if I can save her some money I'd like to.
> >
>
> AOL
>
> I had to get a new boiler fitted in mum's place in Feb 2005. That cost
> £1100 just to drain the system, rip out the old one and fit a new one. Done
> by the local Worcester-Bosch recommended installer.
>
> The other thing to bear in mind is that a new boiler is likely to save the
> tenant money in running costs. Hot water will be heated on demand rather
> than a tank at a time. It's not unreasonable to claw back some of this
> saving through a rent increase.

It's wales; 10% of close-to-fuck-all is still close-to-fuck-all, but
point taken :)

Bear

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May 8, 2006, 7:08:29 PM5/8/06
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 00:03:34 +0100, Wicked Uncle Nigel said ...

> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
> <bastard...@gmail.com> typed
> >
> >She put up with me for 2 years, FFS; she deserves some sort of
> >recompense.
>
> I met her. She's very nice.

Indeed.

> And so is her guide dog.

Hey, I honestly couldn't agree more.

A.Lee

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May 9, 2006, 1:56:44 AM5/9/06
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Bear <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip boiler breakdown.

> The estimate of damage thus far is staggering (well, to me, at any
> rate); the "flue line integrity has gone", which on its own would be
> £550 to fix, apparently, but as the boiler is 25+ years old, and a back
> boiler design, they're recommending fitting a new combi boiler, for
> which work she's currently being quoted between £1,300 and £2,500.

Presumably that means the flue liner (a tube that fits all the way up
the chimney) is knackered.They are a real pain to replace, so the advice
to change to a new combi boiler is about right.
I had mine done around 7 years ago, all the fitter did was fit the new
boiler to an outside wall (close to a wall vent, to save knocking any
bricks out), reroute a few pipes, and test it etc.I had to rip out the
old back boiler/flue liner,hot water tank myself to save money.
5 hour job for 2 of them, cost me around £1000 cash, so the quote of
£1300 would be bargain basement I reckon.
The boilers are £600ish on there own, add another £100 for various bits
of pipe and other bits needed, a days labour, and it is soon well over
£1k to change a boiler.
It may need a new CH system (pipes and rads) as well, though she might
be OK with the present one.The combi boilers pump at an higher pressure
than the old boilers, so leaks can occur quite easily if the system isnt
in good condition.
Probably worth it in the long run, as they are so much more efficient,
but it is a PITA to stump up the cash to get it changed.
Alan.
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Bear

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May 9, 2006, 3:09:08 AM5/9/06
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 06:56:44 +0100, A.Lee said ...
> Bear <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote:

> snip boiler breakdown.

True. And I agree; having thought it through, for the amount of work
involved, if I'm understanding what has to happen, I don't actually
think £1,300 is way over the top. She's had one estimate for £2,000 and
one for £2,500, so I'm actually concerned £1,300 may be a little light.

> but it is a PITA to stump up the cash to get it changed.

Absolutely, and she's just started a new job at a secure unit, so she's
going from weekly (supply work) to monthly pay, which is a major pain,
but you can't decide when these things are going to happen.

Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated.

Bryan.W...@dsl.pipex.com

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May 9, 2006, 5:14:38 AM5/9/06
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Bear wrote:
<snip boiler woe>

My limited experience in this area would lead me to suggest that you
try and find someone who's working for the local council doing the
heating servicing for their council properties. I suspect that you will
find someone who is both qualified, experienced and not adverse to
making a little cash on the side doing some fitting work. The council
workers round our way can usually be relied upon to find goods at
decent prices too.

YMMV however, best of luck.

(The guy I know doesn't do that anymore, plus he's miles away from
Wales and happy about it)

Cane

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May 9, 2006, 5:41:48 AM5/9/06
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Bear wrote:

> She put up with me for 2 years, FFS; she deserves some sort of

> counseling.

This has the makings of some therapists first book!

Bear

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May 9, 2006, 6:02:39 AM5/9/06
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On 9 May 2006 02:41:48 -0700, Cane said ...

"Apostraphobia - A Case Study".

Champ

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May 9, 2006, 6:28:06 AM5/9/06
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Book? An entire academic career, I'd have thought.
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Bear

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May 9, 2006, 6:38:44 AM5/9/06
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 11:28:06 +0100, Champ said ...

Would sir like his fuck-off now, all to himself, or would sir like to
wait til a few more of his mates turn up?

Several birds with one stone(r), as it were.

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