Replaced the fork seals

[geoffC]

I used a week off work between Christmas and New Year to replace the
fork seals on a 1997 Honda NTV 650. I think they were still original,
the outer dust caps were falling apart and concealed a nasty oil/water
gunge underneath. Everything went swimmingly until I came to dismantle
the second fork leg. Whilst employing the 'slide hammer' method to
remove the fork tube and top bush/oil seal (worked fine on the first
leg) I came up against a tight top bush and ended up with the fork tube
breaking free whilst somehow leaving the top bush and oil seal still in
the slider. Problem! I got the oil seal out OK but the top bush was
firmly stuck (and unreachable). I decided that heat was going to be the
answer but was worried about the plastic coating on the aluminium
slider. I read on the internet that a deep fat fryer was the solution,
180 degC without damaging the plastic coating. I got as far as warming
up the chip fryer but decided to have a careful go with a blowtorch
first. Gently warmed the slider around the bush, bashed it end first on
a block of wood and was rewarded with a satisfying 'clink' as the top
bush fell out.
Re- assembly went without problem and I'm pleased with the result, the
difference is comparable with night and day.
Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
Mr Honda puts his motorcycles together exceedingly well.
WD40 penetrating oil is good stuff (has a very authentic workshop smell
too).
Replacing fork seals on a SOB can be very rewarding.
Whilst scrubbing the dismantled forks clean in the kitchen sink, my
daughter (working on a laptop at the kitchen table) suddenly leaned
back in her chair, stared wistfully at the ceiling and said " That
smell, it reminds me of the car deck on a cross-channel ferry" and she
was right :-)


--
Geoff

[YTC#1]

On 03/01/2022 20:11, geoffC wrote:
>
> I used a week off work between Christmas and New Year to replace the

> fork seals on a 1997 Honda NTV 650. I think they were still original,

<snip>

> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.

This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".

> Mr Honda puts his motorcycles together exceedingly well.
> WD40 penetrating oil is good stuff (has a very authentic workshop smell
> too).
> Replacing fork seals on a SOB can be very rewarding.

Only when the "man who can" does it for me.

> Whilst scrubbing the dismantled forks clean in the kitchen sink, my
> daughter (working on a laptop at the kitchen table) suddenly leaned
> back in her chair, stared wistfully at the ceiling and said " That
> smell, it reminds me of the car deck on a cross-channel ferry" and she
> was right :-)
>

I'd be wondering what daughter was doing on that car deck .....
>



--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Mark Olson]

geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:
>
> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.

A valuable lesson. Unfortunately, one that some of us have had to
(or yet to) learn through plenty of repetition.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

[geoffC]

YTC#1 wrote:

> On 03/01/2022 20:11, geoffC wrote:

<SNIP>

>
> > Whilst scrubbing the dismantled forks clean in the kitchen sink, my
> > daughter (working on a laptop at the kitchen table) suddenly leaned
> > back in her chair, stared wistfully at the ceiling and said " That
> > smell, it reminds me of the car deck on a cross-channel ferry" and
> > she was right :-)
> >
>
> I'd be wondering what daughter was doing on that car deck .....
> >

Getting in or out of the car, it's the time when they have usually just
raised or lowered the loading ramp and you get that peculiar
'hydraulic' smell


--
Geoff

[sweller]

geoffC wrote:

> WD40 penetrating oil is good stuff (has a very authentic workshop
> smell too).

Is this different to the ubiquitous blue can stuff? The water
dispersant spray is hopeless as a penetrating fluid.

I once had some black fluid just described as "Penetrating Oil" on the
large, elderly and old fashioned oil can. It had magic loosening
properties (I regularly worked on a lot of very old and manky vehicles)
- no idea who made it.

> Replacing fork seals on a SOB can be very rewarding.

Used fork oil is on my list of most foul smelling substances, along
with used EP gearbox oil. Both get everywhere too.

--
Simon

[Pete Fisher]

Indeed. Rancid Putoline fork oil Ewww!

Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME. Though 'Shock 'n
Unlock' has it's uses if a bit of heat can be used.


--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

[sweller]

Pete Fisher wrote:

> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME

It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.

--
Simon

[Pete Fisher]

Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.

[Mark Olson]

Pete Fisher <pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>
>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>
>
> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.

Kroil has a good reputation on this side of the pond. Not sure if
you can buy it in the UK.

https://www.kroil.com/products/kroil-original-penetrant-best-penetrating-oil/

[Krusty]

Mark Olson wrote:

> Pete Fisher <pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> >> Pete Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
> >>
> >> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from
> Toolstation >> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
> >>
> >
> > Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>
> Kroil has a good reputation on this side of the pond. Not sure if
> you can buy it in the UK.
>
>
https://www.kroil.com/products/kroil-original-penetrant-best-penetrating-oil/

Project Farm on YT has done penetrating oils, but not including PlusGas
or S&U iirc. I'm slightly on S&U's side these days.

--
Krusty

[Champ]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.

>This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".

I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

[Mark Olson]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>
>>This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>
> I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
> motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
> ugh. Think I've done it once or twice

My problem is finding someone / someplace I can trust not to fuck it
up. I haven't had the greatest luck having simple jobs done correctly
at dealerships over the years.

The FJR forks have a middle bushing that's a bit tricky to install
without a piece of thin wall tubing of the proper diameter, which I
was lucky enough to find when I rebuilt them.

Which reminds me, it is overdue for a valve lash check/adjust. Ugh.

[geoffC]

sweller wrote:

> geoffC wrote:
>
> > WD40 penetrating oil is good stuff (has a very authentic workshop
> > smell too).
>
> Is this different to the ubiquitous blue can stuff? The water
> dispersant spray is hopeless as a penetrating fluid.
>

Yes it's different,

https://www.wd40.com/products/penetrating-oil/

I used to use Plus Gas but it's not readily available here in NL.


--
Geoff

[ajh]

On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:

I use graphite power to lubricate locks but not seen an oil with it in,
what's the brand name and I'll give it a go.

I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.

[Pipl]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:24:20 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>
>>This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>
>I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
>motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>ugh. Think I've done it once or twice

Me too. It's a mucky, horrible job.

--

-Pip

[Pipl]

On 4 Jan 2022 08:21:29 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>geoffC wrote:
>
>> WD40 penetrating oil is good stuff (has a very authentic workshop
>> smell too).
>
>Is this different to the ubiquitous blue can stuff? The water
>dispersant spray is hopeless as a penetrating fluid.
>
>I once had some black fluid just described as "Penetrating Oil" on the
>large, elderly and old fashioned oil can. It had magic loosening
>properties (I regularly worked on a lot of very old and manky vehicles)
>- no idea who made it.
>
>
>> Replacing fork seals on a SOB can be very rewarding.
>
>Used fork oil is on my list of most foul smelling substances,

Yes, I hate the stuff too.

>along
>with used EP gearbox oil.

...but oddly, not this.

> Both get everywhere too.

IME fork oil is worse for this: gearboxes would be fine if only
manufacturers would put the damn drain plug where it can actually
drain straight down and not onto e.g. a collector box.

--

-Pip

[YTC#1]

On 04/01/2022 17:33, Mark Olson wrote:
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>>
>>> This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>>
>> I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
>> motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>> ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
>
> My problem is finding someone / someplace I can trust not to fuck it
> up. I haven't had the greatest luck having simple jobs done correctly
> at dealerships over the years.

Heh, yeah.
After sourcing some seals for the Funduro in North Chile I spent a
couple of days hunting out the local mechanic (it was Xmas week), only
to watch him use a hammer and screwdriver ...........

When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
and then rode it without.

[Colin Irvine]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 09:02:17 +0000, Pete Fisher
<pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>
>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>
>
>Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.

It looks as though Holts Penetrating Oil, of which I have some left in
the bottom of the tin, is no longer available. Mind, mine must be
getting on for 50 years old, but it still works.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[wessie]

Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
news:vnratglkmbffvvje8...@4ax.com:

like most of those tins, it's now in an aerosol
https://www.holtsauto.com/holts/products/maintenance-spray/

[Stephen Packer]

I quite like it. Once the filthy old oil is drained then it's not a bad job.

I suspect I've rebuilt half a dozen or so sets of forks, mostly
dirt bikes but also some BMWs. Having the right tools certainly helps.

It's carburettors I don't like messing with. Oh, and fasteners on 1970s
bikes.

[Colin Irvine]

Huh. A retrograde step, IMHO. And it doesn't say what's in it.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[Mark Olson]

Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 11:37:49 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> <willn...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in

>>> It looks as though Holts Penetrating Oil, of which I have some left in
>>> the bottom of the tin, is no longer available. Mind, mine must be
>>> getting on for 50 years old, but it still works.
>>>
>>
>>like most of those tins, it's now in an aerosol
>>https://www.holtsauto.com/holts/products/maintenance-spray/
>
> Huh. A retrograde step, IMHO. And it doesn't say what's in it.

Almost certainly it's not the same formula as before. Might still
work OK, but my expectation, as with paint stripper, brake and carb
cleaners, and most other chemicals available to the public, that the
new stuff is safer to be around, but odds are it doesn't work nearly
as well as the old stuff.

[Champ]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 03:55:06 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

<forks>

Having the right tools certainly helps.

*ding* - I remember, that's one of the reasons I don't like it. On
Japanese bikes, it's one of the few jobs that requires special tool

[Buzby]

Champ wrote:

> it's one of the few jobs that requires special tool

Do you mean getting a responsible adult in?

--
"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

[Ace]

Bloody elf 'n safety.

I was pleasantly surprised when I first moved over the channel at the
range of proper chemicals available in most French supermarkets,
including acetone, hydrochloric acid, proper turps, white spirit and
all sorts of other stuff.

No carbon tetrachloride, though, which I recall had many cleaning
applications back in the day, including cleaning the computer tape
machines when I worked in operations at RR. Happy days, that stuff
only needed a whif to get the head reeling.


--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[Buzby]

We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.

It may be worth a try.

[Pete Fisher]

On 05/01/2022 14:23, Buzby wrote:
> ajh wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>
>>
>> I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
>> remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.
>
> We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
> local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
> serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.
>
> It may be worth a try.
>
>
>

<Googles>

Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

[Dave Brown]

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:59:36 PM UTC, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 05/01/2022 14:23, Buzby wrote:
> > ajh wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> >>> Pete Fisher wrote:
> >>>
> >
> >>
> >> I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
> >> remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.
> >
> > We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
> > local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
> > serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.
> >
> > It may be worth a try.
> >
> >
> >
> <Googles>
>
> Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

We have a Wurth rep that keeps on calling and dropping things off for us to try, on the back of us using their passives in new and existing designs.
Nice chap, quality components, nice mouse-mats, excellent tote/shopping bags.
I only have an aged tin of a very good cleaner made by them.
Have a rare old collection under my desk but the most used are https://www.dropbox.com/s/ofwvr6xs3xpq6s7/2022-01-05%2016.14.45.jpg?dl=0 which doesn't include the range of greases we have for everything !

[Sqirrel99]

Pete Fisher wrote:
> Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

"Because you're Würth it."

[Dave Brown]

<Applause>

[Champ]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 08:23:23 -0800 (PST), Dave Brown
<browni...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>We have a Wurth rep that keeps on calling and dropping things off for us to try, on the back of us using their passives in new and existing designs.
>Nice chap, quality components, nice mouse-mats, excellent tote/shopping bags.
>I only have an aged tin of a very good cleaner made by them.
>Have a rare old collection under my desk but the most used are https://www.dropbox.com/s/ofwvr6xs3xpq6s7/2022-01-05%2016.14.45.jpg?dl=0 which doesn't include the range of greases we have for everything !

<looks>

I now have solvent envy

[siwilson]

On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 17:33, Mark Olson wrote:
>> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>>>
>>>> This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>>>
>>> I'm with you on this.  I've pretty much done every job on a
>>> motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>>> ugh.  Think I've done it once or twice
>>
>> My problem is finding someone / someplace I can trust not to fuck it
>> up. I haven't had the greatest luck having simple jobs done correctly
>> at dealerships over the years.
>
> Heh, yeah.
> After sourcing some seals for the Funduro in North Chile I spent a
> couple of days hunting out the local mechanic (it was Xmas week), only
> to watch him use a hammer and screwdriver ...........
>
> When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
> and then rode it without.
>
>

What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?

--
/Simon

[Pete Fisher]

Like the old TV repair men used to say about banging on top of your
telly - "I know just where to hit it".

[Stephen Packer]

If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity' of it.

Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

[geoffC]

PVC drain pipe(s) :-)


--
Geoff

[Mark Olson]

I've got at least that many.

Of course I'll be lucky if I ever get to reuse one. But I've learned
the hard way that bodging these (lacking a working lathe) is false
economy.

[Mark Roberts]

Heh. My fork special tools include bits of plastic pipe and a broom
handle :)
--
Mark Roberts

[Pipl]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 03:55:06 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 22:26:58 UTC, Pipl wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:24:20 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> >I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
>> >motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>> >ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
>> Me too. It's a mucky, horrible job.
>
>I quite like it. Once the filthy old oil is drained then it's not a bad job.
>
>I suspect I've rebuilt half a dozen or so sets of forks, mostly
>dirt bikes but also some BMWs. Having the right tools certainly helps.

Hmm, maybe five-ish sets. DT, FZR, KTM, 10R, at least one YZ, plus oil
changes that didn't require full disassembly.

I have two, no, three, no four (but one's a duplicate) special tools,
all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding and barely
fits. But it works. Just.

>It's carburettors I don't like messing with.

Not really thought them to be a problem for basic jet replacement, on
singles & twins, anyway. It's quite satisfying when the bike starts
idling again, or that odd hesitation disappears. Frustrating when
spending a lot on jets has no effect though.

Cracking the screws the first time can be a nervous challenge for me.

>Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.

Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
days.

--

-Pip

[Pipl]

Heh.

--

-Pip

[Mark Olson]

I've bought a Vessel Impacta JIS #2 just for this that has yet to be
used in anger. It's the cousin to the 3-piece Megadora Vessel JIS set
that gets broken out mostly for non-bike uses. Oddly enough the #2
JIS seems to mate very well with Phillips head screws, better than
a genuine Phillips.

>>Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>
> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
> days.

See above.

[Boots]

On 05/01/2022 22:09 Ace penned these words:

> I was pleasantly surprised when I first moved over the channel at the
> range of proper chemicals available in most French supermarkets,
> including acetone, hydrochloric acid, proper turps, white spirit and
> all sorts of other stuff.
>
> No carbon tetrachloride, though, which I recall had many cleaning
> applications back in the day, including cleaning the computer tape
> machines when I worked in operations at RR. Happy days, that stuff
> only needed a whif to get the head reeling.
>
>

When I started my apprenticeship back in the factory hot trike tanks were common
for degreasing. There were tales elsewhere of it killing people who been
suspended over the tanks and over come by the vapour. I swiped 1/2 a gallon or
so for use as a degreaser at home. Once sent to catalogue an abandoned shop and
there were split sacks of cyanide with piles of white powder next to them.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

[Ace]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:17:23 +0800, Boots
<ne...@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:

>On 05/01/2022 22:09 Ace penned these words:
>
>> I was pleasantly surprised when I first moved over the channel at the
>> range of proper chemicals available in most French supermarkets,
>> including acetone, hydrochloric acid, proper turps, white spirit and
>> all sorts of other stuff.
>>
>> No carbon tetrachloride, though, which I recall had many cleaning
>> applications back in the day, including cleaning the computer tape
>> machines when I worked in operations at RR. Happy days, that stuff
>> only needed a whif to get the head reeling.
>>
>>
>When I started my apprenticeship back in the factory hot trike tanks were common
>for degreasing. There were tales elsewhere of it killing people who been
>suspended over the tanks and over come by the vapour. I swiped 1/2 a gallon or
>so for use as a degreaser at home. Once sent to catalogue an abandoned shop and
>there were split sacks of cyanide with piles of white powder next to them.

One ship I served on had a bowl of light (diesel) fuel oil at the door
from the engine room to the control room, to degrease your hands in
before entering.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[Champ]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:29:43 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

No

See earlier comment about needing special tools

[WUN]

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:20:02 PM UTC, Pipl wrote:

> all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding

<Thud>

Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!

--
WUN

[Ben Blaney]

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:26:58 PM UTC-5, Pipl wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:24:20 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> >I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
> >motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
> >ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
> Me too. It's a mucky, horrible job.

Aren't they all?

[sweller]

Champ wrote:

> > Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal
> > drivers?
>
> No
>
> See earlier comment about needing special tools

I got mine originally for doing MZ engines, the bearings and the seals.

They're very useful and they were also cheap:

e.g.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123752646047

--
Simon

[sweller]

Pipl wrote:

> > Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>
> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
> days.

I stopped using my impact driver when I stopped having 1970s Japanese
bikes.

The European stuff I have had and still have from the 70s never filled
me with the same levels of fastener trepidation as my Suzukis, Yamahas
and, especially, Hondas (CB250N and CB750 sohc - fucking things).

--
Simon

[sweller]

WUN wrote:

> > all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding
>
> <Thud>
>
> Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!

I think that gauntlet went home with Steve Packer's original outfit.

--
Simon

[Pipl]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:46 -0800 (PST), WUN <nigel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

<smug> Hold my beer.

--

-Pip

[Pipl]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:29:43 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

In my garage, they're the previous fork seal, a blind punch and a
hammer. Never had a damaged seal. I do worry about slipping and
scoring the chrome though.

--

-Pip

[Turby]

On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>

>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>
>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>
>
> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>
I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
What says the FOAK?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

[petrolcan]

In article <sr7q55$n7j$1...@dont-email.me>, Turby says...

>
> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
> > On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> >> Pete Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
> >>
> >> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
> >> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
> >>
> >
> > Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
> >
> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
> What says the FOAK?

Zippo lighter fluid

[wessie]

petrolcan <petr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.3c4180329...@news.eternal-september.org:

> Zippo lighter fluid and a spark
>

corrected

[Mark Olson]

Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>>
>>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>>
>>
>> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>>
> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
> What says the FOAK?

Goo Gone, it actually does work.

[Boots]

On 07/01/2022 06:23 Turby penned these words:

> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
> What says the FOAK?

I have a plastic measuring jug I bought which has the same problem. Cannot get
the gunk off short of an angle grinder. I resorted to using small piece of cling
film and sticking it to the glue which at least means it does not stick to my
hand everytime.

[Salad Dodger]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:23:33 -0800, Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>>
>>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>>
>>
>> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>>
>I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
>to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
>alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
>What says the FOAK?

Surgical spirit?

I think it's called "rubbing alcohol" chez vous.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

[Turby]

On 1/6/2022 4:09 PM, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:23:33 -0800, Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>

>> (rubbing) alcohol, , nothing that Google suggests works.

>
> Surgical spirit?
>
> I think it's called "rubbing alcohol" chez vous.


--

[Champ]

On 6 Jan 2022 20:02:00 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Pipl wrote:
>
>> > Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>>
>> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
>> days.

>I stopped using my impact driver when I stopped having 1970s Japanese
>bikes.

This ^

The japs themselves moved to allen head fasteners in the 80s, so the
problem kinda went away

[Pete Fisher]

On 07/01/2022 08:21, Champ wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2022 20:02:00 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Pipl wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>>>
>>> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
>>> days.
>
>> I stopped using my impact driver when I stopped having 1970s Japanese
>> bikes.
>
> This ^
>
> The japs themselves moved to allen head fasteners in the 80s, so the
> problem kinda went away

One of the things I like about Italian machines is that they never
really got in to 'cross head' fasteners. Lots of socket head screws on
Morinis from 1975. One reason I wanted a 90's Gilera was seeing a Nouvo
Saturno on Ramsey seafront. Even the Small Gilera badge on the 'mono
posto' was secured by socket head screws.

50's Gileras have only 'cheese head' or hex head fasteners. Same for
1930s Sunbeams but the possible threads are a night mare (BSF, BSW ?
Cycle, BSP even!)

I like the combination flanged hex/torx heads KTM and therefore
Husqvarna use these days.

Haven't had to use my 'Vessel' for years.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

[Stephen Packer]

Wish I'd taken a photo of it. The lower, rear, sidecar mounting was attached
to the centre-stand bracket with mig-wire, twenty or more pieces seemingly fused at
one end to the bracket and at the other to the 'eye' that the sidecar mounted to...
Once I'd taken it apart it just about wobbled off without needing (much) attention from
the angle grinder.

I'd like to point out it was like that when I bought it and not my work (since at the time I
didn't own a mig welder and, anyway, I've a neighbour who learnt his trade in the shipyards
of Gdansk and is an *excellent* welder.)

[sweller]

Pete Fisher wrote:

> > The japs themselves moved to allen head fasteners in the 80s, so the
> > problem kinda went away
>
> One of the things I like about Italian machines is that they never
> really got in to 'cross head' fasteners. Lots of socket head screws
> on Morinis from 1975. One reason I wanted a 90's Gilera was seeing a
> Nouvo Saturno on Ramsey seafront. Even the Small Gilera badge on the
> 'mono posto' was secured by socket head screws.

70s Guzzis the same.

> 50's Gileras have only 'cheese head' or hex head fasteners. Same for
> 1930s Sunbeams but the possible threads are a night mare (BSF, BSW ?
> Cycle, BSP even!)

Some of the old BMC cars I've worked on had a unusual array of threads
and heads.

> I like the combination flanged hex/torx heads KTM and therefore
> Husqvarna use these days.

I'm looking at buying a Husqvarna...

--
Simon

[Pete Fisher]

Is that the one we 'admired' in the car park of Prescott speed hill
climb many moons ago?

IIRC the bike was leaning IN rather than OUT.

[Pete Fisher]

Hmm. Proper TE jobby or one of the n01 range?

[siwilson]

On 05/01/2022 20:29, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>> When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
>>> and then rode it without.
>>>
>>>
>> What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>
> If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity' of it.
>
> Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

<re-reads> oh, I assumed he meant for the removal of the seal. I
wouldn't use a screwdriver to fit one.

--
/Simon

[sweller]

Pete Fisher wrote:

> >
> > I'm looking at buying a Husqvarna...
> >
>
> Hmm. Proper TE jobby or one of the n01 range?

901 Norden

--
Simon

[sweller]

Pete Fisher wrote:

> > Wish I'd taken a photo of it. The lower, rear, sidecar mounting
> > was attached to the centre-stand bracket with mig-wire, twenty or
> > more pieces seemingly fused at one end to the bracket and at the
> > other to the 'eye' that the sidecar mounted to... Once I'd taken
> > it apart it just about wobbled off without needing (much) attention
> > from the angle grinder.

> Is that the one we 'admired' in the car park of Prescott speed hill
> climb many moons ago?
>
> IIRC the bike was leaning IN rather than OUT.

That's the one.

--
Simon

[Salad Dodger]

On 7 Jan 2022 14:32:03 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

It'll be alright on the night, I suppose.

[Stephen Packer]

First sidecar I rode on the road. Well, *mostly* on the road. I'm trying
to remember *when* it was and suspect it was somewhere around 2007
to 2008. Ish.

Collected it from somewhere north of Birmingham and on my way to
the motorway braking for the first junction suddenly I'm on the wrong side
of the road heading towards a van! Correct and get my breath back,
turn right, accelerate away and suddenly the sidecar wheel's mounting
the pavement.

Then... a few miles later I'm on the motorway thinking I've mastered
its foibles I find it has a bit of a stutter at 65 and wants to cruise
around 70. Come up behind a car doing about 65, pull into third lane
and accelerate away deciding to continue at a happy 80 and pass
another vehicle. A BMW car appears in my mirrors probably doing
over 90 bearing down on me and suddenly I'm slowing as if I'm
running out of fuel... car on the inside oblivious to why I'm slowing
or even that I'm slowing... I fiddle with the fuel tap and switch it to
reserve, no difference. Fuck. Indicate left and wait for car on my
inside to get in front of me as the BMW jockey menaces me by trying
to adhere to the rear of the outfit.

Once I'm in the second lane at 65 or so it starts firing on all four again
but not running cleanly, try to overtake after a while and it struggles.
Pull in again and slow to 60, continuing to Prescott without any further
incident, or nothing that's seared in my memory.

Slow journey home on A roads.

Investigated the issue and it was the fuel tank was full of crap limiting
the flow. Cleaned the tank, rebuilt the tap and all happy.

A 500cc four really isn't the best bike for sidecar duties though.

K100 was great, would have been even greater with a RHS mounted
chair (for ease of maintenance). Must get another outfit one day,
maybe when my hips go...

[siwilson]

On 07/01/2022 15:53, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2022 14:32:03 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at buying a Husqvarna...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm. Proper TE jobby or one of the n01 range?
>>
>> 901 Norden
>
> It'll be alright on the night, I suppose.

I've got a crush on you.

--
/Simon

[Pete Fisher]

Ooh!
If it's twice as fast as a 401 it should 'make progress'.

[geoffC]

Turby wrote:

> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
> > On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> > > Pete Fisher wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
> > >
> > > It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from
> > > Toolstation to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
> > >
> >
> > Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
> >
> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm
> trying to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap,
> vinegar, alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests
> works. What says the FOAK?

White spirit, it's what is used in bottles of 'sticker remover'

--
Geoff

[Bruce Horrocks]

If that doesn't work then try nail varnish remover. Apply to the surface
of the label (if paper) and it soaks through and still softens the glue.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[ts]

Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:

> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
> What says the FOAK?

The glue can obviously be many different things.

One thing that has worked very well on a number of semi-hard plastic
bottles I want to re-use is filling them with very hot water; then the
glue softens enough to stick to the label, when peeled off carefully.

--
ts // scrap vehicle to send e-mail
Finally four Boxers!

[Colin Irvine]

Or simply acetone, if you can get it.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[Mike Fleming]

On 06/01/2022 21:46, Pipl wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:46 -0800 (PST), WUN <nigel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:20:02 PM UTC, Pipl wrote:
>>
>>> all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding
>>
>> <Thud>
>>
>> Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!
>

> <smug> Hold my beer.

When we were building SMIDSY first time round, Andy the Pugh and I were
up in Slaithwaite for a building session. He'd welded a few of the
joins, then persuaded me to try welding one. Then he got out the angle
grinder, took the random line of weld back off (which ISTR was actually
quite neat, just completely functionless) and put it where it should
have been.

[Mike Fleming]

On 06/01/2022 22:23, Turby wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>>
>>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>>
>>
>> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>>
> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
> What says the FOAK?

White spirit, meths, IPA (isopropyl alcohol, not India Pale Ale).
Depends whether it's white meat or red.

We've been buying skinny sad meals which come in plastic tubs with
wraparound labels. I put them through the dishwasher, pull the labels
off (they're stronger than the glue), and clean the residue off with
white spirit. Strangely, the more things I tidy up by putting them into
tubs, the more things appear that need tidying up by putting them in tubs.

[Mike Fleming]

... before dissolving the plastic container.

[Ace]

Err, yes, that's what nail varnish remover is.

Or was, at least. Probably been replaced by something that doesn't do
a proper job in our (your?) H&S obsessed world.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[Turby]

How many single men on the planet own nail varnish remover?

[Champ]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 08:07:30 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>First sidecar I rode on the road. Well, *mostly* on the road. I'm trying
>to remember *when* it was and suspect it was somewhere around 2007
>to 2008. Ish.
>
>Collected it from somewhere north of Birmingham and on my way to
>the motorway braking for the first junction suddenly I'm on the wrong side
>of the road heading towards a van! Correct and get my breath back,
>turn right, accelerate away and suddenly the sidecar wheel's mounting
>the pavement.

I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
remember who).

I pulled away and accelerated through the gears to a moderate 40ish
(iirc) - a sharp 90 deg corner was approaching, and I remember
thinking "I've no idea whether I'll be able to get round this". As it
happened, I did, but I really didn't know what I was doing

[Pete Fisher]

On 08/01/2022 17:56, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 08:07:30 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First sidecar I rode on the road. Well, *mostly* on the road. I'm trying
>> to remember *when* it was and suspect it was somewhere around 2007
>> to 2008. Ish.
>>
>> Collected it from somewhere north of Birmingham and on my way to
>> the motorway braking for the first junction suddenly I'm on the wrong side
>> of the road heading towards a van! Correct and get my breath back,
>> turn right, accelerate away and suddenly the sidecar wheel's mounting
>> the pavement.
>
> I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
> remember who).
>
> I pulled away and accelerated through the gears to a moderate 40ish
> (iirc) - a sharp 90 deg corner was approaching, and I remember
> thinking "I've no idea whether I'll be able to get round this". As it
> happened, I did, but I really didn't know what I was doing

It's a whole new world.

I'd still really like a go on a proper kneeler race outfit (AS PILOT!).

[Colin Irvine]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 18:13:15 +0100, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 15:59:28 +0000, Colin Irvine
><lo...@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 01:28:36 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>><07....@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>>>If that doesn't work then try nail varnish remover. Apply to the surface
>>>of the label (if paper) and it soaks through and still softens the glue.
>>
>>Or simply acetone, if you can get it.
>
>Err, yes, that's what nail varnish remover is.

Hence the "simply", implying nail varnish's main ingredient.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[Champ]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 18:45:47 +0000, Pete Fisher
<pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>> remember who).
>>
>> I pulled away and accelerated through the gears to a moderate 40ish
>> (iirc) - a sharp 90 deg corner was approaching, and I remember
>> thinking "I've no idea whether I'll be able to get round this". As it
>> happened, I did, but I really didn't know what I was doing

>It's a whole new world.
>
>I'd still really like a go on a proper kneeler race outfit (AS PILOT!).

Me too. Might be able to arrange that, here :-)

[Pete Fisher]

On 09/01/2022 18:17, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 18:45:47 +0000, Pete Fisher
> <pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>>> remember who).
>>>
>>> I pulled away and accelerated through the gears to a moderate 40ish
>>> (iirc) - a sharp 90 deg corner was approaching, and I remember
>>> thinking "I've no idea whether I'll be able to get round this". As it
>>> happened, I did, but I really didn't know what I was doing
>
>> It's a whole new world.
>>
>> I'd still really like a go on a proper kneeler race outfit (AS PILOT!).
>
> Me too. Might be able to arrange that, here :-)
>

Go for it!

[ogden]

Pete Fisher wrote:
> I'd still really like a go on a proper kneeler race outfit (AS PILOT!).

I still rate my three laps round Brands as monkey on an F2 outfit as one of the funnest things I've ever done.

This is the first year I've not bothered keeping the category on my ACU licence. It was hard work then, and I'm older and fatter now.

[Salad Dodger]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 17:56:29 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:


>I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>remember who).

Ginny and TOG.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/38219192@N00/876913127/in/album-72157600965144746/

[siwilson]

One (slow) "lap" of Curborough was enough for me.

--
/Simon

[wessie]

Salad Dodger <salad....@idnet.com> wrote in
news:lofmtgdl75cmoogts...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 17:56:29 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>>remember who).
>
> Ginny and TOG.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/38219192@N00/876913127/in/album-721576009
> 65144746/

isn't your mystery man Packer?

[Salad Dodger]

I believe he was effecting an air of mystery at the time. Might still
be.

[Champ]

On Sun, 09 Jan 2022 20:01:45 +0000, Salad Dodger
<salad....@idnet.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 17:56:29 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>>remember who).

>Ginny and TOG.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/38219192@N00/876913127/in/album-72157600965144746/

<slaps forhead> Of course!

I recall you were closely involved (as, it turns out, taking photos),
but I was fairly sure I'd have remembered if you were a passenger :-)

[Champ]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 20:56:56 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willn...@tesco.net> wrote:

Definitely

[sweller]

Champ wrote:

> > > I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers
> > > (can't remember who).
>
> > Ginny and TOG.
> >
> >
https://www.flickr.com/photos/38219192@N00/876913127/in/album-72157600965144746/
>
> <slaps forhead> Of course!
>
> I recall you were closely involved (as, it turns out, taking photos),
> but I was fairly sure I'd have remembered if you were a passenger :-)

He was later that day...

http://sweller.dynalias.org/images/ukrm/Chimay07-SD.jpg

--
Simon

[Stephen Packer]

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 08:05:11 UTC, sweller wrote:

> He was later that day...
>
> http://sweller.dynalias.org/images/ukrm/Chimay07-SD.jpg

*That's* the image I remember!

I think that later in the day there was a fair amount of sunburn.

Was that really 2007?

[Champ]

On 10 Jan 2022 08:05:08 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>

Ah, yes, an active part

[sweller]

Stephen Packer wrote:

> > http://sweller.dynalias.org/images/ukrm/Chimay07-SD.jpg
>
> That's the image I remember!

>
> I think that later in the day there was a fair amount of sunburn.
>
> Was that really 2007?

Sadly, yes.

--
Simon

[YTC#1]

On 08/01/2022 18:45, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 08/01/2022 17:56, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 08:07:30 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
>> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> First sidecar I rode on the road.  Well, *mostly* on the road.  I'm
>>> trying
>>> to remember *when* it was and suspect it was somewhere around 2007
>>> to 2008. Ish.
>>>
>>> Collected it from somewhere north of Birmingham and on my way to
>>> the motorway braking for the first junction suddenly I'm on the wrong
>>> side
>>> of the road heading towards a van!  Correct and get my breath back,
>>> turn right, accelerate away and suddenly the sidecar wheel's mounting
>>> the pavement.
>>
>> I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
>> remember who).
>>
>> I pulled away and accelerated through the gears to a moderate 40ish
>> (iirc) - a sharp 90 deg corner was approaching, and I remember
>> thinking "I've no idea whether I'll be able to get round this".  As it
>> happened, I did, but I really didn't know what I was doing
>
> It's a whole new world.
>
> I'd still really like a go on a proper kneeler race outfit (AS PILOT!).
>
>
>

Mike (who I did the Russia/USA thing wth) is/was a sidecar pilot.

He was never eager to allow me ot get in the car.
Bastard.


--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Dave Brown]

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:01:48 PM UTC, Salad Dodger wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 17:56:29 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >I remember riding Platy's outfit at Chimay, with two passengers (can't
> >remember who).
> Ginny and TOG.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/38219192@N00/876913127/in/album-72157600965144746/

Can't believe some cnut took a mini to Chimay, fark that was 4 cars ago..... How time does that accelerating thing when you get older.

[Andy Burns]

Buzby wrote:

> We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat

I like to file away such recommendations, but it's a bit of a boggle trying to
understand the differences between

RostOff Plus
RostOff Special
RostOff Black
RostOff Ice
RostOff Blue Ice
RostOff Crafty

[Turby]

On 1/6/2022 3:39 PM, Mark Olson wrote:

> Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/4/2022 1:02 AM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nothing acts faster (Tm. Anadin) than Plusgas IME
>>>>
>>>> It's good but I've found the graphite pentrating oil from Toolstation
>>>> to be just as effective - and a lot cheaper.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Personal recommendation is always welcome. I shall JFGI.
>>>

>> I've been collecting plastic tubs, to use for various things. I'm trying
>> to take off the labels, but the glue is stubborn. Dish soap, vinegar,
>> alcohol, WD40, peanut butter, nothing that Google suggests works.
>> What says the FOAK?
>

> Goo Gone, it actually does work.
>
OK, it's taken far more than the last 2 months, but I have a solution.
Of course, it depends on what the label is, and who put it on. The
peanut butter and cottage cheese are easy, and everything else at
Sprouts. The chocolate chip cookies from Trader Joe's has been my
biggest challenge. Round rim, octagonal body and square bottom. Soaking
in canola oil for a while (~ an hour) softens all the paper, leaving
just the glue. I pour GooGone on and rub it in with my fingers. I can
feel whether it has loosened up all the glue. Then I take an abrasive
sponge and ensure the entire tub is loose. Then I take another abrasive
sponge soaked in dish soap to get the GooGone off. Then go over again
easy to get any lapses. It takes a ridiculous amount of time, but I now
have 3 clean tubs and a mfpgw of other, unclean tubs that will stay that
way.

BTW, No, I swear I don't have OCD.

[Mike Fleming]

I have also been collecting plastic tubs. Those from Indian and Chinese
takeways don't have labels. The Morrisons sad meals are no longer
properly reusable plastic tubs, but those that were, I first put through
the dishwasher to clean any spilt food off the labels so I could grip
them, then peeled the labels off, then remembered I'd left the meths,
IPA, and white spirit upstairs so I couldn't experiment and just used
them anyway (so they keep sticking together). Stage 2 is remembering to
bring the chemicals downstairs (not the acetone, I think that would be
too vicious).

I have, however, discovered that the more I put in tubs, the more I find
that can be put in tubs. Plus I've run out of shelf space for tubs so I
need to put another shelf up.