OT FOAK what kills coil packs in peugeot 206?
Lady Nina
1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
have been servicing/MOTing it since.
2nd coil pack - that pattern part above - went in early Feb, replaced
by Essex AA man (who said 'pukka' when it was all fixed - bless)
driving me to local motor parts to get another pattern one so I could
get on with job.
Last week, timing belt (6 years/60k miles) and new front discs and
pads done while I didn't need car for half term. Cost of coil pack
that went above knocked off bill.
Today, set out for school in Lancs, got 3 miles, engine management
light comes on and it beeps at me and is obviously misfiring. I limp
it to garage, it isn't timing but another coil pack gone - this time
one section (2nd valve?) burnt out. I get shitty courtesy car and
carry on, leaving mine at garage.
He's put a proper peugeot part on it rather than pattern (ouch) but
there is still a slight misfire and no wiring fault he can trace.
Tomorrow he's going to try and fix the slight misfire and work out
what has caused 3 coil packs to blow in a couple of months.
I also need to ring Essex part place and see what they've got to say
about a coil pack lasting 3 weeks.
Any ideas? New spark plugs have gone in with each new coil pack.
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Lady Nina
boxerboy
>
> Any ideas? New spark plugs have gone in with each new coil pack.
> --
> Lady Nina
Mrs Boxer has a Clio that has coils that are part of the spark plug
cap. Are yours the same?
Hers eats coils every 18 months to 2 years. The pattern ones either
work or go within 3-4 weeks. The Renault ones last the 18 months-24
months but cost £30 a pop compared to the pattern part lottery that
costs £12 each.
Tried everything but the answer from everywhere is "they all do that
sir".
We keep 2 spare coils in the boot just in case. That way if it breaks
down it is quick and easy to fix. Mrs B can change them herself now
and she finds cork screws too difficult for her mechanical competence.
Boxerboy
SteveH
Lady Nina
<ianp...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> Any ideas? New spark plugs have gone in with each new coil pack.
>Mrs Boxer has a Clio that has coils that are part of the spark plug
>cap. Are yours the same?
I went to look and got as far as the door before remembering the car
is still in the garage. Doh. I don't think so, it's a four limbed
thing that goes over the spark plugs.
>Hers eats coils every 18 months to 2 years. The pattern ones either
>work or go within 3-4 weeks.
Hmmmm.
>The Renault ones last the 18 months-24
>months but cost �30 a pop compared to the pattern part lottery that
>costs �12 each.
These are 70 plus vat for the pattern ones.
>Tried everything but the answer from everywhere is "they all do that
>sir".
I have a feeling this will be going the same way. What would make them
go like that?
>We keep 2 spare coils in the boot just in case. That way if it breaks
>down it is quick and easy to fix. Mrs B can change them herself now
>and she finds cork screws too difficult for her mechanical competence.
So she doesn't have to do spark plugs at the same time as the spark
plugs are part of it on the clio?
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Lady Nina
Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot
"Lady Nina" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Car 03 1.4 206, FSH about 55k miles
>
> 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
> with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
> have been servicing/MOTing it since.
>
Putting it simply, French car + petrol engine = unreliable shite.
German or Japanese. YKIMS.
Si
boxerboy
>
> So she doesn't have to do spark plugs at the same time as the spark
> plugs are part of it on the clio?
> --
> Lady Nina
No plugs are separate, If it still runs crap I check it over and deal
with the plugs when she gets home. To be honest the dodgy coils have
only messed up one plug in the 9 years since we bought it new.
You tried the Pug forums see if it is a common problem?
We were lucky the first time the Clio played up the AA man who came
out to Mrs B started going on about he was fed up with bloody clio
coils. Luckily she asked him a load of searching questions and
established it was common, AA men all carry at least on clio coil in
their van, that they charge twice the normal price for the coils they
supply and that it took less than 5 minutes to swap them once you know
which one had gone. Prat then explained to her how to spot the duff
one .Renault say if one goes you should replace all 4 at the same
time!
Boxerboy
Simon Wilson
>
> French car + petrol engine = unreliable shite.
>
ITYM French car = unreliable
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The Older Gentleman
> Putting it simply, French car = unreliable shite.
Edited for you.
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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot
"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot <eastREM...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Putting it simply, French car = unreliable shite.
>
> Edited for you.
>
>
Given no choice at all I'd take a diesel-engined Peugeot over any other
French car. Given a choice I'd take a 20 year old Skoda over pretty much any
French meccano-encrusted piece of bollocks masquerading as transport.
Si
Ace
Jude's 2003 2.0l 206cc has never broken down. It's relatively low
mileage, I suppose, at less than 50k (km) but has only been serviced
the once, AFAICR. Twice, perhaps, now I come to think about it.
Chris Bartram
> Any ideas? New spark plugs have gone in with each new coil pack.
ISTR there's a modified part, and also that failed coils can kill ECUs.
Personally, I'd buy OE, not pattern.
YTC#1
Was I just lucky with my never broken down 406 and 307 ?
> German or Japanese. YKIMS.
>
> Si
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<snip>
>
> Was I just lucky with my never broken down 406 and 307 ?
>
I had a never broken down 307 which got to 6 years old and started
developing faults for fun. In the last 6 months it's done a radiator,
wheel bearing, horn, exhaust, front anti-roll bar, and now appears to
have warped discs and a dodgy automatic choke as well....
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malc
(sold it a month ago) with not a single glitch. It could have been the
original in which case it had done 170k milles.
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Dog-eared old copy.
Vintage and classic,
or just plain Jurassic:
all words to describe me.
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> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:42:51 +0000, Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
>
>>
>> "Lady Nina" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:9qn5o5hgpkqglb2ls...@4ax.com...
>>> Car 03 1.4 206, FSH about 55k miles
>>>
>>> 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
>>> with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and
>>> who have been servicing/MOTing it since.
>>>
>>>
>> Putting it simply, French car + petrol engine = unreliable shite.
>>
>
> Was I just lucky with my never broken down 406 and 307 ?
>
Lady Nina
<ne...@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
>Lady Nina wrote:
>
>> Any ideas? New spark plugs have gone in with each new coil pack.
>
>ISTR there's a modified part, and also that failed coils can kill ECUs.
That was on the up to 2002 models, supposedly fixed on these.
>Personally, I'd buy OE, not pattern.
Have done, still misfiring, so maybe a spike to ECU.
--
Lady Nina
Beav
>
> 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
> with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
> have been servicing/MOTing it since.
Coil packs are considered as consumables on a Fiat.
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Beav
>
> 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
> with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
> have been servicing/MOTing it since.
I'm a dick for for hiting send before finishing typing, so...first I'll give
the wiofe a crack for interupting my train of thought and secondly.....
Coil packs are considered as consumables on Fiat, Peugot and Renault.
platypus
Get a diesel.
Lady Nina
Funnily enough I've just had a test drive in a Kia Rio. The problem
with the 206 is an injector, they're fixing that today then giving me
a quote on trade in. I shall have a think.
Anyone got a Kia?
--
Lady Nina
CT
> Anyone got a Kia?
I drank a Kia Ora once.
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ginge
wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article1018954.ece
Or to put it another way it's a bit like asking "what's the prettiest
toilet paper?".
steve robinson
My eldest daughter had a similar problem 3 coil packs (all genuine
pug) in 12 months .
took it to an independant garage eventually they found the following
Incorrect sparkplug gaps
Dodgy connections between battery and alternator
Earth strap missing
They fixed all that and its been fine since and it only cost me
�100.00
Thier explanation of each problem was
Incorrectly gapped plugs means the coil packs have to work harder to
create the spark
I am assuming here it has to reach a higher charge
Dodgy connections alternator and battery , missing earth strap can
result in voltage spikes which
I am assuming here that an alternator probably throws out far higher
voltages and these are smoothed out by the battery
Others may have a better explanation
YTC#1
> YTC#1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:42:51 +0000, Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Lady Nina" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9qn5o5hgpkqglb2ls...@4ax.com...
>>>> Car 03 1.4 206, FSH about 55k miles
>>>>
>>>> 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
>>>> with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
>>>> have been servicing/MOTing it since.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Putting it simply, French car + petrol engine = unreliable shite.
>>>
>>>
>> Was I just lucky with my never broken down 406 and 307 ?
>>
> No, mine were great
I tell a lie, the 406 finaly broke down after 7 years, 149500 miles when
the gearbox broke. :-)
And I've just realised that my last 5 cars have all been French. And Jean
is still ragginh her 1100 clio.
YTC#1
My 7 year old 307 (which I actually hate) just had the "pulleys" done,
but that was not a breakdown, more an annoyance.
Malc
>
> And I've just realised that my last 5 cars have all been French. And Jean
> is still ragginh her 1100 clio.
>
Ditto, a BX, XM, Xantia and Pug 406 and the wife has had a 106, ZX and
now a Meganne (which I have to admit I may have made a mistake
buying).
The Xant was a bit of a Friday car but nothing that would stop you
driving it, the worst thing on thePug has been a couple of broken
front springs, but I put that down to the crap state of the roads.
--
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'Hog
I bought my ex wife a diesel Megane. I didn't take responsibility for
reliability and repairs however.
It was bad, evil even, and by fuck it worked.
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CT
> I bought my ex wife a diesel Megane. I didn't take responsibility for
> reliability and repairs however. It was bad, evil even, and by fuck
> it worked.
It killed her?
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No 7year warranty on bog roll though.
'Hog
Oh I didn't want to go quite that far. Well, not at the time.
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SteveH
> "Lady Nina" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:9qn5o5hgpkqglb2ls...@4ax.com...
> > Car 03 1.4 206, FSH about 55k miles
> >
> > 1st coil pack (original as far as I know) went in November, replaced
> > with pattern part by garage I got car from nearly 2 years back and who
> > have been servicing/MOTing it since.
> >
>
> Putting it simply, French car + petrol engine = unreliable shite.
>
> German or Japanese. YKIMS.
You'll probably find that it's the German bits causing the problems.
It usually is.
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SteveH
SteveH
That's the old Rio, which was rubbish.
This is a new Rio:
http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/media/press-cars/large-images/kia-rio-1
-large.jpg
I had one for a week when I started this job. It was a nearly new Rio 2
hire car.
Had air-con, a reasonable stereo (spec. was OK, but speakers were a bit
rubbish), electric windows all-round, electric mirrors etc.
Engine was a revvy little thing, and I did around 800 miles in it that
week.
Handling was.... well, it went where I pointed it.
Comfort was fine.
Interior plastics are cheap, but seemed solid enough.
They sit somewhere between the Fiesta and Focus in terms of size, but
are several thousand cheaper than a fairly basic Fiesta.
Long warranty.
Epic depreciation potential.
Best to buy at a few years old - you'll still have a 4 year warranty
left and you'll have avoided the worst of the depreciation.
If you want a not very old car as basic transport, I'd say they're fine.
Engine aside, everything else is distinctly average.
When I handed it back, I did wonder why people will pay �14k for an
equivalently specced Fiesta, when the Kia was about �5k cheaper, and
bigger.
--
SteveH
mark
<itali...@gmail.com> writes
>
>You'll probably find that it's the German bits causing the problems.
>
Not in this case :)
German cars have their own coil pack problems ;)
--
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ginge
wrote:
>
>This is a new Rio:
>
>http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/media/press-cars/large-images/kia-rio-1
>-large.jpg
Looks like a fiesta.
SteveH
Most coil pack problems can be traced back to Bosch components.
The only stuff that failed on our last Alfa 156 were the Bosch
electrical bits.
--
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Lady Nina
wrote:
>ginge <the.gin...@THISgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article1018954.ece
>>
>> Or to put it another way it's a bit like asking "what's the prettiest
>> toilet paper?".
>
>That's the old Rio, which was rubbish.
>
>This is a new Rio:
>
>http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/media/press-cars/large-images/kia-rio-1-large.jpg
snip
>Best to buy at a few years old - you'll still have a 4 year warranty
>left and you'll have avoided the worst of the depreciation.
This is what I'm considering. Only vaguely now as the Peugeot is
fixed, but if there are any other problems then I'll get rid and start
again.
--
Lady Nina
SteveH
> >That's the old Rio, which was rubbish.
> >
> >This is a new Rio:
> >
> >http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/media/press-cars/large-images/kia-rio-1-
> >large.jpg
>
> snip
>
> >Best to buy at a few years old - you'll still have a 4 year warranty
> >left and you'll have avoided the worst of the depreciation.
>
> This is what I'm considering. Only vaguely now as the Peugeot is
> fixed, but if there are any other problems then I'll get rid and start
> again.
I'd also consider the Kia C'eed. They're supposed to be really quite
good - they even look good, especially in 3-door or estate form.
A former colleague has the Hyundai version of the C'eed (i30, ISTR) and
she loves it - lots of spec. and reasonable TDI power for very little on
her company car tax bill.
--
SteveH
The Older Gentleman
> My 7 year old 307 (which I actually hate)
I don't blame you. I hired on a few years ago. What a horrid blancmange
on wheels.
Remember when Peugeot used to make (by the standards of the day) really
good cars? The 205, 306, 405? All bloody good cars, and the 205GTI was a
belter. How did they lose the plot?
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mark
<itali...@gmail.com> writes
>Most coil pack problems can be traced back to Bosch components.
>
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Timo Geusch
> YTC#1 <bdp-s...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> My 7 year old 307 (which I actually hate)
>
> I don't blame you. I hired on a few years ago. What a horrid blancmange
> on wheels.
>
> Remember when Peugeot used to make (by the standards of the day) really
> good cars? The 205, 306, 405? All bloody good cars, and the 205GTI was a
> belter. How did they lose the plot?
In lock step with everybody else, I think.
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Lozzo
> Lady Nina wrote:
>
> > Anyone got a Kia?
>
> I drank a Kia Ora once.
UmBongo is my preferred tipple.
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<KIA>
> When I handed it back, I did wonder why people will pay 14k for an
> equivalently specced Fiesta, when the Kia was about 5k cheaper, and
> bigger.
I seem to remember you saying it was awful on fuel at the time...
--
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SteveH
Aye, it was.
Mostly because it spent much of that week in the red bit of the
rev-counter....
--
SteveH
JackH
...which kinda defeats some of the object of 'saving some money' by
buying a cheaper car.
Another factor these days - how much is the VED?
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SteveH
> > Aye, it was.
> >
> > Mostly because it spent much of that week in the red bit of the
> > rev-counter....
>
> ...which kinda defeats some of the object of 'saving some money' by
> buying a cheaper car.
I'd assume if you actually owned said car, you wouldn't have driven it
how I did that week.
> Another factor these days - how much is the VED?
�110-�120 depending on year.
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> YTC#1 <bdp-s...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> My 7 year old 307 (which I actually hate)
>
> I don't blame you. I hired on a few years ago. What a horrid blancmange
> on wheels.
>
> Remember when Peugeot used to make (by the standards of the day) really
> good cars? The 205, 306, 405? All bloody good cars, and the 205GTI was a
> belter. How did they lose the plot?
>
Well, PSA make a decent stab at a 205GTi. It's got a Citroen C2 VTS badge
though.
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> Well, PSA make a decent stab at a 205GTi. It's got a Citroen C2 VTS
> badge though.
Friens of mine just acquired one of them. 125bhp in a rollerskate. He
adores it.
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It can be fun. Especially with a new passenger, who fails to notice the
discreet badges on the side or the 16" Michelins, and is expecting a
shopping trolley experience.
CT
> CT wrote:
>
> > Lady Nina wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone got a Kia?
> >
> > I drank a Kia Ora once.
>
> UmBongo is my preferred tipple.
That's only for when you're in the Congo,
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CT
> Another factor these days - how much is the VED?
Why? I mean, I really don't get why this is an issue. Mine VED is
�175pa, and sure, there are cars out there that are �120, or even �35.
However, I use at least �150 per month just in fuel, let alone
depreciation, wear & tear, insurance, etc. so even if I could save �140
it is such a small percentage of the running costs as to be irrelevant.
--
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R C Nesbit
> > > Anyone got a Kia?
> >
> > I drank a Kia Ora once.
>
> UmBongo is my preferred tipple.
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>CT wrote:
>
>> Lady Nina wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone got a Kia?
>>
>> I drank a Kia Ora once.
>UmBongo is my preferred tipple.
Which reminds me of the "Death or UmBongo?" joke.
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