Does anyone have an opinion on this or can provide any guidance on what the
best course of action might be???
Declan.
Any suggestions for tyres? Just about scrubbed them out.
>I want to change the stock exaust system on my bike. Its been suggested I
>change it to a Yoshimura Zyclone system which is apparantly good for
>releasing some of the power and improving the bike.
>
>Does anyone have an opinion on this or can provide any guidance on what the
>best course of action might be???
Pretty much any race can is going to make a noticeable
difference to your Bandit as the standard piece of kit is sooo
restricting that it just strangles the motor. I have a Simmi fitted
to mine which is a little more unusual but is a top quality piece of
kit. You can expect an extra 12-15bhp from just fitting a race can
alone. A full system will add another few bhp (2-3 maybe) but IHMO
it's not all that good a value for the money.
I'd always recommend a carbon can, they make a much better
sound (IMHO again) and because it is a deeper note they tend to
attract less attention from the local Plod.
I've heard rumours than ART cans should be avoided for the
1200 as they tend to begin to blow apart after a while. Yoshimura
make good kit so you should be OK there.
As far as setup goes, you'll need to get someone to tweak the
mixture to richen it up somewhat (a straight through can means the
engine burns leaner and unless the mixture is changed to match you'll
damage the engine). Either that or go the whole hog and get it Stage
1 dyno'd.
The 1200 engine is a de-tuned piece of kit, so you can make a
whole load of mods to it to improve things. It's a great "project"
bike to work on over time. Changing the cams is supposed to do
wonders for the output of the engine too,... maybe next years project
:)
------------------------------
David Snocken
GSF1200S
Southampton, England
"I like work; it fascinates me.
I can sit and look at it for hours"
Saturday I went to M&P to buy a Powerbronze fairing for my Bandit 12. They
didn't have any to look at so instead of forking out my cash and taking the
risk of looking (more) like a twat, I spent my dinero on a Micron
can(because they didn't have the make I wanted and the money was burning a
hole in my pocket-I HAD to spend), Dinojet kit and a K&N filter. The
difference it makes is more noticable after 4k revs - it takes off....
---------------------------------------------
Iniano GSF1200N, GS550EZ
ini...@geocities.com
S. Wales
---------------------------------------------
Stuck my mates Bandit Can on the back of the Micron race system on the
GSXR11 [1] Clogged it right up.
[1] Should have seen the DIY connection....
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GSXR1100, Z1R.
PS The GS550 (83) is now for sale...
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Simon - South Wales
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[chomp]
>Saturday I went to M&P to buy a Powerbronze fairing for my Bandit 12. They
>didn't have any to look at so instead of forking out my cash and taking the
>risk of looking (more) like a twat, I spent my dinero on a Micron
>can(because they didn't have the make I wanted and the money was burning a
>hole in my pocket-I HAD to spend), Dinojet kit and a K&N filter. The
>difference it makes is more noticable after 4k revs - it takes off....
Glad you saw sense and went for the can. Mate of mine has a
12N too and was looking at the idea of fitting one of those fazer
semi-fairings to his bandit. Apart from that he couldn't seem to find
much in the way of after-market fairings to fit either :(
Out of interest, did they show you how much difference the
dynojet kit made? I still haven't had mine "done" (just got the
mixture tweaked) and would be interested to know whether it does make
much difference?
No mate, I did the work myself so I've no idea how many extra horses I have.
I just know that if I open the throttle too fast on a bend it'll be a little
difficult to steer....
---------------------------------------------------------
Iniano - Bandit 12, GS550EZ
ini...@geocities.com
S. Wales
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>
>David J. Snocken wrote in message <35d89240...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>[chomp]
>>>Saturday I went to M&P to buy a Powerbronze fairing for my Bandit 12. They
>>>didn't have any to look at so instead of forking out my cash and taking
>the
>>>risk of looking (more) like a twat, I spent my dinero on a Micron
>>>can(because they didn't have the make I wanted and the money was burning a
>>>hole in my pocket-I HAD to spend), Dinojet kit and a K&N filter. The
>>>difference it makes is more noticable after 4k revs - it takes off....
>>
>> Out of interest, did they show you how much difference the
>>dynojet kit made? I still haven't had mine "done" (just got the
>>mixture tweaked) and would be interested to know whether it does make
>>much difference?
>>------------------------------
>>David Snocken
>>GSF1200S
>>Southampton, England
>>"I like work; it fascinates me.
>>I can sit and look at it for hours"
>
>
>
>No mate, I did the work myself so I've no idea how many extra horses I have.
>I just know that if I open the throttle too fast on a bend it'll be a little
>difficult to steer....
No worries,... I know what you mean with getting on the power
too quick though. At the weekend I really felt "up for it" and gave
it some real stick in first from the lights,... did my first wheelie
and holy cow it's scary first time around!!!
Declan.
David J. Snocken wrote in message <35d713a...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:46:43 +0100, "Declan Mc Glone"
><dec...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Yoshimura make good kit so you should be OK there.
> As far as setup goes, you'll need to get someone to tweak the
>mixture to richen it up somewhat (a straight through can means the
>engine burns leaner and unless the mixture is changed to match you'll
>damage the engine). Either that or go the whole hog and get it Stage
>1 dyno'd.
>------------------------------
http://www.dynojet.com I think will tell you....
>ignition
>advancer and suggest an extra 20 bhp after the work has been carried out.
>They dyno the bike and all that techie stuff that I dont know a lot about
>
>Declan.
>
>David J. Snocken wrote in message <35d713a...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:46:43 +0100, "Declan Mc Glone"
>><dec...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Yoshimura make good kit so you should be OK there.
>> As far as setup goes, you'll need to get someone to tweak the
>>mixture to richen it up somewhat (a straight through can means the
>>engine burns leaner and unless the mixture is changed to match you'll
>>damage the engine). Either that or go the whole hog and get it Stage
>>1 dyno'd.
>
>>------------------------------
>>David Snocken
>>GSF1200S
>>Southampton, England
>>"I like work; it fascinates me.
>>I can sit and look at it for hours"
>
>
--
Could you post it properly is ascii text. Then I can read it...
>I spoke to TTS Engineering who recommended a Yoshi can, stage three dynojet
>kit (whats the difference between the stage 1 and the stage 3), ignition
>advancer and suggest an extra 20 bhp after the work has been carried out.
>They dyno the bike and all that techie stuff that I dont know a lot about
I'm not a great expert on this stuff, but for what it's worth
(about 2d I think :) I thought that Stage 1 was pretty easy/cheap
whilst Stage 3 is heading in the direction of full race setup and
pretty damned expensive.
<Cynic>
If this is the case I can well understand them recommending
this route to you as they're going to make a lot of money.
</Cynic>
I hope this helps and I would encourage more research on the
subject before parting with your dosh to be sure that the extra money
you spend is worth it.
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I know I'm going to regret this but ...
If it's that easy, why didn't Suzuki do it in the first place?
No. Really. I'm serious.
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>I know I'm going to regret this but ...
>If it's that easy, why didn't Suzuki do it in the first place?
>No. Really. I'm serious.
Noise restrictions.
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darsy
Anyway I've now taken the plunge with a Yoshimura RS3 carbon oval can, Stage
1 Dynojet kit, K&N filter and an ignition advancer. Supposed to be good for
15ish BHP plus the can looks good. I'll let you know how it turns out. Its
booked in for next week 3rd Sept.
Declan.
>> The cheapest way seems to be making a hole in the stock air box,2 1/2 "
>> approx getting a free breathing exhaust most offer 8 - 16 BHP gain (see
the
>> test details @ http://home.wtal.de/layher/auspuff.htm (in german but
chart is
>> simple to read) and because the bike will now be running lean a dynojet
1.
>> getting this done is I think is worth somewhere between 10 -20 BHP 'beam
>> > I'm not a great expert on this stuff, but for what it's worth
>> > (about 2d I think :) I thought that Stage 1 was pretty easy/cheap
>> > whilst Stage 3 is heading in the direction of full race setup and
>> > pretty damned expensive.
>> > <Cynic>
>> > If this is the case I can well understand them recommending
>> > this route to you as they're going to make a lot of money.
>> > </Cynic>
>> > I hope this helps and I would encourage more research on the
>> > subject before parting with your dosh to be sure that the extra money
>> > you spend is worth it.
>> > ------------------------------
>> > David Snocken
>> > GSF1200S
>> > Southampton, England
>> > "I like work; it fascinates me.
>> > I can sit and look at it for hours"
>> >
>>
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>
>I know I'm going to regret this but ...
>If it's that easy, why didn't Suzuki do it in the first place?
>No. Really. I'm serious.
Ah! Thank you.
These noise restrictions are going a bit too far if one little
hole in the airbox can make that much difference. It's going to
come to the point where pedestrians start getting mown down like
corn because they can't hear the bike coming.
I used to have this GS550 rat bike with an Alfa 4-1 fitted. If
the thing had any baffles I would have been surprised. To be
honest, it was a bit TOO much (Mummy Bear used to put the kettle
on when I was a mile away, since she could hear it from the
bottom of the hill when I was a mile away at the top - I swear
this is true!). One thing's for sure - nobody ever stepped out
in front of me.
I'm not saying you should be allowed to make as much noise as you
like, just that you can go too far, that's all.
Ta for the answer, darsy.
>sun...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> The cheapest way seems to be making a hole in the stock air box,2 1/2 "
>> approx getting a free breathing exhaust most offer 8 - 16 BHP gain (see the
>> test details @ http://home.wtal.de/layher/auspuff.htm (in german but chart is
>> simple to read) and because the bike will now be running lean a dynojet 1.
>> getting this done is I think is worth somewhere between 10 -20 BHP 'beam
>>
>> In article <35e19d1e...@news.demon.co.uk>,
>> dav...@snocken.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> > On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:18:02 +0100, "Declan Mc Glone"
>> > <dec...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >I spoke to TTS Engineering who recommended a Yoshi can, stage three dynojet
>> > >kit (whats the difference between the stage 1 and the stage 3), ignition
>> > >advancer and suggest an extra 20 bhp after the work has been carried out.
>> > >They dyno the bike and all that techie stuff that I dont know a lot about
>> >
>> > I'm not a great expert on this stuff, but for what it's worth
>> > (about 2d I think :) I thought that Stage 1 was pretty easy/cheap
>> > whilst Stage 3 is heading in the direction of full race setup and
>> > pretty damned expensive.
>> > <Cynic>
>> > If this is the case I can well understand them recommending
>> > this route to you as they're going to make a lot of money.
>> > </Cynic>
>> > I hope this helps and I would encourage more research on the
>> > subject before parting with your dosh to be sure that the extra money
>> > you spend is worth it.
>> > ------------------------------
>> > David Snocken
>> > GSF1200S
>> > Southampton, England
>> > "I like work; it fascinates me.
>> > I can sit and look at it for hours"
>> >
>>
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>
>I know I'm going to regret this but ...
>If it's that easy, why didn't Suzuki do it in the first place?
>No. Really. I'm serious.
It'll be down to that catchall excuse that companies always
use "it was the marketing department made us do it,... honest guv!".
The bandit lump is a bored out and detuned GSXR1100 made to be more
suitable for a parts-bin "sports"/tourer type of bike image. They'd
probably argue that if they made those mods as standard (plus some
suspension/brake tweaks) you'd have a much more pukka sports bike for
much less money than a new one,... and we can't have a clash in our
price lists can we?!?
> On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:16:24 +0100, Bastard Bear
> <joh...@globalnet.loadsabeers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >sun...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >>
<snip loads of stuff>
> It'll be down to that catchall excuse that companies always
> use "it was the marketing department made us do it,... honest guv!".
> The bandit lump is a bored out and detuned GSXR1100 made to be more
> suitable for a parts-bin "sports"/tourer type of bike image. They'd
> probably argue that if they made those mods as standard (plus some
> suspension/brake tweaks) you'd have a much more pukka sports bike for
> much less money than a new one,... and we can't have a clash in our
> price lists can we?!?
>
Dont forget ... as soon as its labelled "sports", RiDE, Bike, PB etc will be test it
against the R1, zx-9, blade etc etc. of which there is no chance it would win.
People would see that it came last and wouldnt buy it.
If it is the best 'all rounder' then it is likely to sell more.
Steve
> I found out the following, it seems that Stage 1 is Dynojet with no
> alteration to the standard airbox, Stage 2 is same but with modification to
> the airbox and Stage 3 is a new airbox altogether.
[One for Veggie Dave]
Is it stage 3 or stage 7 that's "remove the airbox alltogether and fit
individual filters"[1]
_Performance Bikes_ did loads to their long-term test Bandit 1200, so It
might be worth tracking down some back issues.
rgds, Alan
[1] Ged knows what happened to stages 4-6.
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www.dynojet.com..........
Why didnt suzuki do it ?? noise, and would you want your bargain basement
1200 to be capable of sniffing up the pipe of your most expensive crotch
rocket....I think not.
'Beam
In article <35E2E321...@globalnet.loadsabeers.co.uk>,
Bastard Bear <joh...@globalnet.loadsabeers.co.uk> wrote:
> darsy wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:16:24 +0100, Bastard Bear
> > <joh...@globalnet.loadsabeers.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >I know I'm going to regret this but ...
> > >If it's that easy, why didn't Suzuki do it in the first place?
> > >No. Really. I'm serious.
> >
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True, it was voted best streetbike by ride readers, but it was,nt compaired
to fireblades and the like, and in a comparison 'retro' test against the
kwak, honda and triumph it won. Probably because it (IMHO) is not a retro but
a cheap sports tourer (using tried & tested technology) so it is bound to
piss on these fake retros but can't be compared to the exotic stuff. 'beam
>
> Steve
>In article <6rog13$rbi$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, Declan Mc Glone
><dec...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>I spoke to TTS Engineering who recommended a Yoshi can, stage three dynojet
>>kit (whats the difference between the stage 1 and the stage 3),
>
>
>http://www.dynojet.com I think will tell you....
>
>
>>ignition
>>advancer and suggest an extra 20 bhp after the work has been carried out.
>>They dyno the bike and all that techie stuff that I dont know a lot about
>>
>>Declan.
>>
>>David J. Snocken wrote in message <35d713a...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>>On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:46:43 +0100, "Declan Mc Glone"
>>><dec...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yoshimura make good kit so you should be OK there.
A friend of mine used to race in the Ultimate Streetbike series and
his advice for my bike (GSXR 1100H) was get the head skimmed to
increase the compression, it doesn't make big difference in peak power
but gives shitloads more grunt if combined with
exhaust,dynojetkit,ignition advancer,.The difference between stage 1
and stage 3 dynojet kits is that 1 is designed for standard airbox
while stage 3 is for use with separate filters. There are some stage 2
kits available these are for drilled airboxes with K+N
filters
IAN H