Oh bollocks . . . .
Buzby
had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard. Driven by a
young lad with two girls in the back.
I have no real first aid training and this was the moment I was kicking
myself. The feelings of total inadequacy as I'm trying to make safe, sort
out and then comfortable whilst someone else was on the phone to the
emergency services relaying instructions to me. I was extremely grateful
when a retired nurse turned up shortly after and took over and gave me other
things to do whilst we waited about minutes for the bone wagons to arrive
[1]. One of the girls died [the drivers girlfriend] whilst we were there,
and according to the Janitorial types who just called me, the other is
critical and unlikely to make it. The driver was completely unscathed.
So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
be much better prepared.
[1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three fire
engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
Bear
> On my way out to see friends last night come round a corner to find a Fiesta
> had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard. Driven by a
> young lad with two girls in the back.
>
> I have no real first aid training and this was the moment I was kicking
> myself. The feelings of total inadequacy as I'm trying to make safe, sort
> out and then comfortable whilst someone else was on the phone to the
> emergency services relaying instructions to me. I was extremely grateful
> when a retired nurse turned up shortly after and took over and gave me other
> things to do whilst we waited about minutes for the bone wagons to arrive
> [1]. One of the girls died [the drivers girlfriend] whilst we were there,
> and according to the Janitorial types who just called me, the other is
> critical and unlikely to make it. The driver was completely unscathed.
>
> So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
> public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
> difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
> the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
> be much better prepared.
Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a great
deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have been Dr
Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for those 2
poor sods.
I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
on ... anyone know, out of interest?
--
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"Trust me ... I know what I'm doing"
BGN
wrote:
>I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
>bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
>medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
>wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
>on ... anyone know, out of interest?
VERY expensive.
While I typed that, it made me even more sad that we live in a world
such as we do today, where one is scared to offer help when it's
needed for fear of getting sued.
<sigh>
It's time to leave the country.
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>
> Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a
> great deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have
> been Dr Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for
> those 2 poor sods.
There are many accidents were the injuries are not that severe, but if NO
treament is given, they become so.
I'm still thnking of doing a more bike orientated one - things like the
correct way to get a helmet off for instance - it's somethign I'd like to
know, even if it (hopefully) never ever has to be used.
Iain Ogilvie
"Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in message
news:3fbt2bF...@individual.net...
<snip sad tail>
>
> [1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three fire
> engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
Oh, and I've been in similar situations - luckily no fatalities - but I
understand what you mean about feeling powerless to help... :o/
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>
> Local St Johns do excellent courses and would have details of any
> other courses local to you.
Seconded. My 15 year old daughter's a St.John cadet sergeant and the adults
who teach her are a good bunch.
Si
The Older Gentleman
> I'm also
> wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
> on ... anyone know, out of interest?
Yes. You're complete absolved from any effects if something goes
tits-up. It's called Good Samaritan situation, and it's legally
enshrined.
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<Snipped Text>
> So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
> public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
> difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
> the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
> be much better prepared.
Try your local St. Johns group, they run a lot of courses.
> [1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three fire
> engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
OTOH what good were the plod anyway?
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Bear
> Bear wrote:
> >
> > Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a
> > great deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have
> > been Dr Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for
> > those 2 poor sods.
>
> There are many accidents were the injuries are not that severe, but if NO
> treament is given, they become so.
Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no tools
or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15 minutes or so
it'll take an ambulance to get there.
> I'm still thnking of doing a more bike orientated one - things like the
> correct way to get a helmet off for instance - it's somethign I'd like to
> know, even if it (hopefully) never ever has to be used.
I'd rather get on the mobile and get the pros in.
The Older Gentleman
> On my way out to see friends last night come round a corner to find a Fiesta
> had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard. Driven by a
> young lad with two girls in the back.
People who moan about bikes being fucking dangerous tend to forget that
cars driven by young twats are too - and when they prang, they usually
take someone else with them.
Bear
>
> "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in message
> news:3fbt2bF...@individual.net...
> <snip sad tail>
> >
> > [1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three fire
> > engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
>
> Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
Coo, I missed that. I like that road. Not for the foolish, though.
PS, Yer sig sep's fucked.
Kevin Stone
> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
> tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
> minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
Bleeding from various arteries.
Punctured lungs.
Boat loads of injuries which require the recovery position.
Heart attack.
I imagine there are loads actually.
--
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The Older Gentleman
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 18:28:39 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
> >bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
> >medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
> >wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
> >on ... anyone know, out of interest?
>
> VERY expensive.
>
Bollocks. Sorry, but it has to be said.
The Older Gentleman
> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no tools
> or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15 minutes or so
> it'll take an ambulance to get there.
Severe bleeding (unless you consider a torn shirt used as a tourniquet
to be "equipment").
Vomiting without being put in the recovery position
Cessation of breathing requiring artifical respiration.
Bear
Fairy nuff then. I wouldn't know, I'm both non-clinical and highly
squeamish ... in fact I should think the last thing an injured person
would want to have is me trying to save their life.
The Older Gentleman
Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
Eiron
> In article <3fbt2bF...@individual.net>, Buzby says...
>
>>On my way out to see friends last night come round a corner to find a Fiesta
>>had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard. Driven by a
>>young lad with two girls in the back.
>>
>>I have no real first aid training and this was the moment I was kicking
>>myself. The feelings of total inadequacy as I'm trying to make safe, sort
>>out and then comfortable whilst someone else was on the phone to the
>>emergency services relaying instructions to me. I was extremely grateful
>>when a retired nurse turned up shortly after and took over and gave me other
>>things to do whilst we waited about minutes for the bone wagons to arrive
>>[1]. One of the girls died [the drivers girlfriend] whilst we were there,
>>and according to the Janitorial types who just called me, the other is
>>critical and unlikely to make it. The driver was completely unscathed.
>>
>>So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
>>public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
>>difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
>>the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
>>be much better prepared.
>
>
> Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a great
> deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have been Dr
> Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for those 2
> poor sods.
You can carry a "Police Aware" sticker to give yourself some privacy
whilst you take advantage of the dead and dying. :-)
--
Eiron.
mb
bastard...@gmail.com says...
> In article <3fbu9dF...@individual.net>, dwb says...
> > Bear wrote:
> > >
> > > Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a
> > > great deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have
> > > been Dr Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for
> > > those 2 poor sods.
> >
> > There are many accidents were the injuries are not that severe, but if NO
> > treament is given, they become so.
>
> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no tools
> or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15 minutes or so
> it'll take an ambulance to get there.
Bleeding? Pretty common I would think.
Shock? Blocked airways? Stopped heart?
>
> > I'm still thnking of doing a more bike orientated one - things like the
> > correct way to get a helmet off for instance - it's somethign I'd like to
> > know, even if it (hopefully) never ever has to be used.
>
> I'd rather get on the mobile and get the pros in.
>
Well, yes.
--
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FJ1200
GTS1000
Buzby
>> public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
>> difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
>> the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want
>> to
>> be much better prepared.
>
> Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a great
> deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have been Dr
> Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for those 2
> poor sods.
Totally agree, .
> I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
> bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
> medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training?
Agreed. If there hadn't been a nurse [1] on tap and there would have been
two dead. However, if it helps until the pros get there I'm all for it.
> I'm also wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's
> not bob-
> on ... anyone know, out of interest?
Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a situation
like that for fear of being sued.
[1] A complete star, probably in her mid 70's
Bear
> > Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
> > tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
> > minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
Hang on ...
> Bleeding from various arteries.
You can't sort that without an arterial suture kit and shedloads of
skill.
> Punctured lungs.
Nor that.
> Boat loads of injuries which require the recovery position.
Be specific.
> Heart attack.
Eh? How would 1st aid help there, other than possibly starting the heart
if it failed. Even then I'd say your chances were minimal.
We need a medico. Ukrm must have a paramedic somewhere in our ranks ...
> I imagine there are loads actually.
I'm not sure I wear that. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti- people having
1st aid training, I'm just wondering how useful and/or effective it is,
beyond simple, commonsense things anyone would do.
Bear
> > I'm also wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's
> > not bob-
> > on ... anyone know, out of interest?
>
> Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a situation
> like that for fear of being sued.
Nor me, nor me, but YKWIM.
Buzby
>> engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
>
> Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
>
> Oh, and I've been in similar situations - luckily no fatalities - but I
> understand what you mean about feeling powerless to help... :o/
This is going to sound very stupid - I'm not exactly sure - I think just
east of Middle Barton - one of the switch back dips
Buzby
"Adrienne M Bonwick" <sp...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
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Appreciated
AndrewR
> Kevin Stone <newsa...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
>> Bear wrote:
>>> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
>>> tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
>>> minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>> Heart attack.
> Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
> attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
Heh, I know the answer to this one because SWMBO has just done her advanced
training on this subject.
Amazingly a bit of a run-up to give them an almighty punch in the chest is
the order of the day.
The trick, apparently, is in telling when somebody has gone down because of
heart attack and when they've just fainted :)
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dwb
Is it the A4030, or the B4030? As looking at the map, I can see a B4030 near
Bicester, not not an A...
Bear
That whole road's a life taker ... it's one of the reasons I like it;
it's so interesting and varied. And, for my trainspotter badge, is it
not the B4030, not an A-road?
Elly and I had a nice little run on that road.
The Older Gentleman
> > I'm also wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's
> > not bob-
> > on ... anyone know, out of interest?
>
> Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a situation
> like that for fear of being sued.
Please read my other posting.
The Good Samaritan defence was specifically coined so that people
*wouldn't* refuse to give first aid help for fear of being sued.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<bastard...@gmail.com> typed
>In article <3fbv1oF...@individual.net>, Kevin Stone says...
>> Bear wrote:
>> > Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
>> > tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
>> > minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>
>Hang on ...
>
>> Bleeding from various arteries.
>
>You can't sort that without an arterial suture kit and shedloads of
>skill.
Bollocks. Firm pressure will certainly help.
>> Punctured lungs.
>
>Nor that.
Once again, bollocks. A sucking lung wound can be greatly helped with a
credit card. (Really).
>
>> Heart attack.
>
>Eh? How would 1st aid help there, other than possibly starting the heart
>if it failed. Even then I'd say your chances were minimal.
Use CPR to keep blood moving and oxygenated. Keep it going until the
ambulance turns up. They can then take over. It's a small chance that
you'll save the person. But it *is* a chance (as a neighbour once proved
with my dear old mum).
>I'm not sure I wear that. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti- people having
>1st aid training, I'm just wondering how useful and/or effective it is,
>beyond simple, commonsense things anyone would do.
I'd suggest you're wrong.
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tallbloke
news:MPG.1cfad1a52...@news.individual.de:
> I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
> bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
> medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training?
Wrong. there are simple things which can be done by someone who has had a
couple of hours training which could save a life whether the injuries to
the victim are serious or not.
For example,
1 preventing the tongue of an unconscious person from blocking their
windpipe.
2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.
Any more?
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<spam...@tallbloke.net> typed
>Bear <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:MPG.1cfad1a52...@news.individual.de:
>
>> I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
>> bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
>> medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training?
>
>Wrong. there are simple things which can be done by someone who has had a
>couple of hours training which could save a life whether the injuries to
>the victim are serious or not.
>
>For example,
>
>1 preventing the tongue of an unconscious person from blocking their
>windpipe.
>
>2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.
No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
wound is yer man here.
The Older Gentleman
> > Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
> > attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
>
> Heh, I know the answer to this one because SWMBO has just done her advanced
> training on this subject.
>
> Amazingly a bit of a run-up to give them an almighty punch in the chest is
> the order of the day.
Fascinating. I can see that being of great help in a pub brawl.
"I was helping him recover from a heart attack, ossifer...."
tallbloke
@individual.net:
> correct way to get a helmet off for instance
There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
Loosen the chinstrap if you can without jarring the neck of the victim.
Buzby
"Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cfada888...@news.individual.de...
> In article <3fbvolF...@individual.net>, Buzby says...
>> >> [1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three
>> >> fire
>> >> engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
>> >
>> > Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
>> >
>> > Oh, and I've been in similar situations - luckily no fatalities - but I
>> > understand what you mean about feeling powerless to help... :o/
>>
>> This is going to sound very stupid - I'm not exactly sure - I think just
>> east of Middle Barton - one of the switch back dips
>
> That whole road's a life taker ... it's one of the reasons I like it;
> it's so interesting and varied. And, for my trainspotter badge, is it
> not the B4030, not an A-road?
Could well be - good road though and doesn't suffer fools gladly
tallbloke
news:1gwz8cv.4zf03x1u75bbbN%chateauSPAM...@dsl.pipex.com:
> Kevin Stone <newsa...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
>> Bear wrote:
>> > Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
>> > tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
>> > minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>>
>> Bleeding from various arteries.
>> Punctured lungs.
>> Boat loads of injuries which require the recovery position.
>> Heart attack.
>>
>> I imagine there are loads actually.
>
> Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
> attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
>
>
Loosen clothing around neck
clear airways
look for drugs in the car/bike luggage
Cover with a coat if cold
Kevin Stone
>> Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
>> attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
> look for drugs...
Nicely worded.
--
Kev
MattG
>
> You can't sort that without an arterial suture kit and shedloads of
> skill.
There's a fairly substantial difference between sorting, and keeping
them alive long enough for someone else to sort them. Knowing how and
where to press on an arterial bleed can keep someone alive long enough
for paramedics to arrive.
> > Punctured lungs.
>
> Nor that.
That too. Being able to asses the injury and deal with the casualty
appropriately can keep them alive, positioning them so that they don't
drown in their own blood, for one.
> > Boat loads of injuries which require the recovery position.
>
> Be specific.
Far too many, really. And I CBA.
> > Heart attack.
>
> Eh? How would 1st aid help there, other than possibly starting the heart
> if it failed. Even then I'd say your chances were minimal.
Patient management, positioning, reassurance. Positioning being
important. CPR is less about restarting the heart, more about keeping
the brain oxygenated. Out of all the people I know who have had to
perform CRP (and that's a lot of people) only 2 have ever restored
rhythm, but that doesn't mean the others wasted their time. Them doing
CPR mean that when someone arrived with the appropriate equipment the
patient hadn't been sitting there suffering from oxygen starvation for
the last x minutes.
> I'm not sure I wear that. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti- people having
> 1st aid training, I'm just wondering how useful and/or effective it is,
> beyond simple, commonsense things anyone would do.
IME, very useful and effective, going way beyond commonsense. Someone
has had something heavy fall across their leg? What you going to do?
Move it? Most people would, commonsense, that. However, by doing that
you could kill them. Renal failure as a result of reperfusion injury
following a crush injury is common in this situation. Would you know how
long after the crush injury it is safe to remove the object? Those who
have had first aid training should know. That is just *one* of many
possible examples.
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tallbloke
> Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a situation
> like that for fear of being sued.
The nurse stood more chance of being sued than you. She has professional
training and may be liable for fuckups.
If you have ornery first aid training you are in the clear.
Iain Ogilvie
Yep - think I know where you mean - down by the lodge hose - on the right?
Or further towards Middle Barton - by the cottages that face you as you
approach?
Loverly road - and one I take pretty fast in the Elise - as well as the
bikes - but one that can very quickly catch the unwary :o(
I know the driver is the *lucky* one having survived - but what a thing to
carry with you for the rest of your life.
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The Older Gentleman
LOL! That's *exactly* what I thought he meant, until I read your
posting.
Iain Ogilvie
"Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wibbled in message
> > Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
>
>
> PS, Yer sig sep's fucked.
Cnut! ;o)~
Look - I'm a newbie - OK?
mb
nigel.me.uk says...
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, tallbloke
> <spam...@tallbloke.net> typed
> >
>
> No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
> wound is yer man here.
>
AOL. Tourniquets are now generally regarded as not much use. Pressure
required to stop bleeding will prolly stop useful blood flow (unless
your leg has already fallen off).
They may be of some use with snake bite victims thobut.
--
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Dr Zoidberg
> I'm also wondering what the legal position is if you render
> aid and it's not bob- on ... anyone know, out of interest?
If you have done a basic first aid course and try your best to help then
even if you make some mistakes then you have nothing to worry about.
If you should know better because of proper medical training and do
something really daft then you could potentially be sued.
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tallbloke
news:FaJZNZ$0rMk...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, tallbloke
> <spam...@tallbloke.net> typed
>>Bear <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:MPG.1cfad1a52...@news.individual.de:
>>
>>> I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's
>>> a bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
>>> medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training?
>>
>>Wrong. there are simple things which can be done by someone who has had
>>a couple of hours training which could save a life whether the injuries
>>to the victim are serious or not.
>>
>>For example,
>>
>>1 preventing the tongue of an unconscious person from blocking their
>>windpipe.
>>
>>2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.
>
> No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
> wound is yer man here.
>
Fairy nuff. That's what we did for a mate who's leg got smashed in an
accident actually. After I straightened up the leg, my S.O. wrapped a
jumper round the wound an held it tight.
Someone said I shouldn't have straightened the leg, but the Paramedic told
me I'd probably saved it by restoring the blood supply.
Made him scream though :-(
He now holds the record for the longest bone transport with an Ilizaroff
frame by growing around 10" of new shinbone.
Dr Zoidberg
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, tallbloke
> <spam...@tallbloke.net> typed
>> 2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.
>
> No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
> wound is yer man here.
However in a choice 'tween tourniquet and watching the red fountain from a
safe distance......
dwb
>>
>> That whole road's a life taker ... it's one of the reasons I like it;
>> it's so interesting and varied. And, for my trainspotter badge, is it
>> not the B4030, not an A-road?
>
> Could well be - good road though and doesn't suffer fools gladly
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/roads/safer-rider/road-info3.htm
Iain Ogilvie
"Simes" <m...@privacy.net> did mention unto the assembled bikeratti in
message news:xn0e2k74...@news.individual.net...
> Iain said:
>
> >
> > "Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wibbled in message
> > > > Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
> > >
> > > Coo, I missed that. I like that road. Not for the foolish, though.
> > >
> > > PS, Yer sig sep's fucked.
> >
> > Cnut! ;o)~
> >
> > Look - I'm a newbie - OK?
>
> suppose you tend to get sloppy yourself.
Ouch! - cutting that was...
Erm, actually, we *do* care about usenet - but [1] and, er [2]
[1] It's my day off - so I'm not going to get dragged into work stuff...
and
[2] It's my birthday - so I'd rather be out on my bike... :o)
You a customer then?
Paul Corfield
wrote:
>I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
>bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
>medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
>wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
>on ... anyone know, out of interest?
Two comments really
1. if trained first aiders aren't much cop then why is it a legal
requirement to have them for offices / buildings with more than 50
people in them?
2. I noticed while sitting in the surgery waiting room this week that
there was a poster saying that most heart attacks happen at home and
that it was strongly recommended that people learn CPR to be able to
take immediate action if someone did have a heart attack. The main
point was increasing the victim's chance of survival until "proper" help
arrived.
Plenty of good sense spoken by others in the thread.
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!
PeteH
> In article <3fbu9dF...@individual.net>, dwb says...
> > Bear wrote:
> > >
> > > Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a
> > > great deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have
> > > been Dr Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for
> > > those 2 poor sods.
> >
> > There are many accidents were the injuries are not that severe, but if
NO
> > treament is given, they become so.
>
> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no tools
> or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15 minutes or so
> it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>
> > correct way to get a helmet off for instance - it's somethign I'd like
to
> > know, even if it (hopefully) never ever has to be used.
>
> I'd rather get on the mobile and get the pros in.
> --
> Bear
> "Trust me ... I know what I'm doing"
I am a motorcycle paramedic based in Hampshire and I have been to many
"serious" accidents. I have been to a number of them where the person might
have lived if they had been helped by someone with 'a few hours training'.
Sure I have the skills and equipment to help with serious trauma etc. but
any human being requires three things to maintain life namely Airway,
Breathing and Circulation and these can all be maintained by a person with a
'few hours training'. I can't save a corpse, give me a live patient though
and I'll have a go.
In Hampshire we do a 1 day course for bikers through the Bikesafe scheme
which includes the A.B.C's and also helmet removal (when to and how to etc.)
It's cheap at about £25 for a whole day. It's run by Trauma Doctors and
Paramedics and includes a bit on staying upright from thr Police guys.
It's a fact that no person ever has been successfully sued for attempting to
save the life of another individual. If you act in their best interests and
don't rob them whilst you are laying there you are o.k. People have been
sued, however, for with-holding help.
Cab
> > Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a
> > situation like that for fear of being sued.
>
> The nurse stood more chance of being sued than you. She has
> professional training and may be liable for fuckups.
>
> If you have ornery first aid training you are in the clear.
I wouldn't put it past relative trying to sue non-skilled helpers
though.
I remember in Germany, squaddies used to be told to not stop at
accidents for the same reason. Mind you, non-assistance at an accident
was (and is) also a crime...
--
Cab :^)
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
Cab
> > 2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.
>
> No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
> wound is yer man here.
There are a couple of exceptions to that rule, aren't there? One is
amputation, IIRC.
Cab
> "dwb" <parc_e...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in news:3fbu9dF70e19U1
> @individual.net:
>
> > correct way to get a helmet off for instance
>
> There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
>
> Loosen the chinstrap if you can without jarring the neck of the
> victim.
Not exactly true. If the person isn't breathing, you'll need to get the
lid off. Even then, very carefully.
It comes down to treatment following the four B's:
Breathing
Bleeding
Breaks
Burns
Monkey
> "dwb" <parc_e...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in news:3fbu9dF70e19U1
> @individual.net:
>
>> correct way to get a helmet off for instance
>
> There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
Err... there is actually - I was taught it on a course a few years back, but
I'm buggered if I can remember the finer points. Ideally it involves two
people, one to support the neck, and one to slowly remove the lid. If you're
out in a rural area, and they've stopped breathing, they're almost certainly
going to die before an ambulance arrives. Therefore you're better off
removing the helmet and risking a spinal injury, than you are just standing
there watching them die.
--
ZX6R F2 - The Gravelseeker
CB500 - Gaffer tape removal in progress
BOTAFOT #121, BBB #2
Black Mike
>On my way out to see friends last night come round a corner to find a Fiesta
>had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard. Driven by a
>young lad with two girls in the back.
>
>I have no real first aid training and this was the moment I was kicking
>myself. The feelings of total inadequacy as I'm trying to make safe, sort
>out and then comfortable whilst someone else was on the phone to the
>emergency services relaying instructions to me. I was extremely grateful
>when a retired nurse turned up shortly after and took over and gave me other
>things to do whilst we waited about minutes for the bone wagons to arrive
>[1]. One of the girls died [the drivers girlfriend] whilst we were there,
>and according to the Janitorial types who just called me, the other is
>critical and unlikely to make it. The driver was completely unscathed.
>
>So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
>public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
>difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
>the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
>be much better prepared.
>
>[1] Rural location on A4030 - 15 minutes for 2 ambulances and three fire
>engines, presumably all from Bicester. Plod about 40 minutes FFS
>
Having been there before (only I knew the lad who didn't make it) I
fully sympathise with you.
What made it hard for me, was not knowing to this day, what caused the
accident.
You just do what you can, and the fact the you tried is enough for me.
Good on you.
To my mind, it's something you never get over, you just learn to deal
with it.
--
Black Mike
GSX-R1000K4,MIB#20
"If in doubt,flat out!"
Cab
> >> Punctured lungs.
> >
> > Nor that.
>
> Once again, bollocks. A sucking lung wound can be greatly helped with
> a credit card. (Really).
Plastic bag, sellotape, anything that will cover the wound to stop the
lung collapsing.
> > I'm not sure I wear that. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti- people
> > having 1st aid training, I'm just wondering how useful and/or
> > effective it is, beyond simple, commonsense things anyone would do.
>
> I'd suggest you're wrong.
*ding* A little basic first aid knowledge can go a long way.
Monkey
> Vomiting without being put in the recovery position
That's a biggie, and could save a shed-load of lives if there's someone
there to do it - including a notable case from this newsgroup, in fact.
> Cessation of breathing requiring artifical respiration.
If someone's heart's stopped, they probably have 4 minutes to live. On
average, IIRC, it takes about 15 minutes for an ambulance to get to the
scene of an accident. CPR is very unlikely to restart a heart, but in theory
you could keep someone alive for hours with CPR done correctly.
Monkey
> "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in
> news:3fbvb2F...@individual.net:
>
>> Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a
>> situation like that for fear of being sued.
>
> The nurse stood more chance of being sued than you. She has
> professional training and may be liable for fuckups.
I had a nurse attempt to sue me once - she claimed she'd suffered 'nervous
shock' from witnessing an accident I was involved in.
joe parkin
spam...@tallbloke.net says...
> > correct way to get a helmet off for instance
>
> There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
yes there is, Racesafe training covers that aspect, to assist
paramedics , or to clear the airways before the doctors or paramedics
get there if the person stops breathing.
> Loosen the chinstrap if you can without jarring the neck of the victim.
If you have not been trained, this is the safest way.
--
joeparkinchineseatbtinternetdotcom
Iain Ogilvie
"Simes" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:xn0e2k7f...@news.individual.net...
> Iain said:
>
> >
> > "Simes" <m...@privacy.net> did mention unto the assembled bikeratti in
> > message news:xn0e2k74...@news.individual.net...
> > > Iain said:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wibbled in message
> > > > > > Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Coo, I missed that. I like that road. Not for the foolish,
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS, Yer sig sep's fucked.
> > > >
> > > > Cnut! ;o)~
> > > >
> > > > Look - I'm a newbie - OK?
> > >
> > > When you work for an ISP that doesn't give two fucks about Usenet, I
> > > suppose you tend to get sloppy yourself.
> >
> > Ouch! - cutting that was...
>
>
> > Erm, actually, we do care about usenet - but [1] and, er [2]
> >
> > [1] It's my day off - so I'm not going to get dragged into work
> > stuff...
>
And why not! ;o)
> > and
> >
> > [2] It's my birthday - so I'd rather be out on my bike... :o)
>
> Many happies.
Ta :o)
<hick...>
> > You a customer then?
>
>
> Was - for two or so years, but the change was handled so badly and
> announced so pitifully (i.e. not even in their own announce newsgroup
> until someone copied it from some thrid party webpage) that I got the
> hump and took my account and several others (about 60 others - people
> I'd set up on ADSL and who wanted to be supported still) to Zen.
Not much I can say really - only that I wasn't around when the announcement
was made - and the people involved have learn't from it...
So, erm, sorry!
Anyways, have fun :o)
BGN
<mon...@surfREMOVEbum.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>tallbloke wrote:
>> "dwb" <parc_e...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in news:3fbu9dF70e19U1
>> @individual.net:
>>
>>> correct way to get a helmet off for instance
>>
>> There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
>
>Err... there is actually - I was taught it on a course a few years back, but
>I'm buggered if I can remember the finer points. Ideally it involves two
>people, one to support the neck, and one to slowly remove the lid. If you're
>out in a rural area, and they've stopped breathing, they're almost certainly
>going to die before an ambulance arrives. Therefore you're better off
>removing the helmet and risking a spinal injury, than you are just standing
>there watching them die.
So... who is up for helping to arrange a UKRM "First Aid at Scene of
RTA" day? If it's just a few hours work, I don't see why it can't be
held in an afternoon at a meeting, such as EoSM, before everyone gets
pissed?
--
-- Nick - DALnet: Hayn - ICQ: 9235201 - MSN: nickm...@spamcop.net --
-- Rat-esq ER5 - LotR#4 --------------> SPACE FOR RENT <--------------
Bear
> Bear said:
>
> > In article <3fbv1oF...@individual.net>, Kevin Stone says...
> > > Bear wrote:
> > > > Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
> > > > tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
> > > > minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
> >
> >
> > > Bleeding from various arteries.
> >
> > You can't sort that without an arterial suture kit and shedloads of
> > skill.
>
> You're not trying to sort it - you are merely preserving life until the
> experts arrive. So, you can reduce the bleeding, elevate a limb etc,
> apply heart massage if the heart has stopped, artificial respiration if
> breathing has stopped etc etc.
Ah yes, good point.
I knew a Pan rider would have a sensible answer ;)
Cane
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Kevin Stone <newsa...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bear wrote:
> >>> Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
> >>> tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
> >>> minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>
> >> Heart attack.
>
> > Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
> > attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
>
> Heh, I know the answer to this one because SWMBO has just done her
> advanced training on this subject.
>
> Amazingly a bit of a run-up to give them an almighty punch in the
> chest is the order of the day.
>
> The trick, apparently, is in telling when somebody has gone down
> because of heart attack and when they've just fainted :)
..and she'd be right.
Eiron
> It comes down to treatment following the four B's:
>
> Breathing
> Bleeding
> Breaks
> Burns
No, it's ABC - Airways, Breathing, Credit Card.
--
Eiron.
Bear
says...
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
> <bastard...@gmail.com> typed
> >I'm not sure I wear that. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti- people having
> >1st aid training, I'm just wondering how useful and/or effective it is,
> >beyond simple, commonsense things anyone would do.
>
> I'd suggest you're wrong.
I'm not "wrong" because I'm merely asking, not telling, but I'm thinking
back to something I heard JP said once about how many people in crashes
he's been able to help; he's got shedloads of 1st aid experience, and
the number isn't as high as you'd think, given that he's generally 1st
on scene.
Bear
says...
> That is just *one* of many
> possible examples.
Cheers for that lot. Off to St Johns for the lot of you, then.
Except me. I'd pass out at the sight of the dummy, let alone a real
human being bleeding all over the place.
Bear
> I am a motorcycle paramedic based in Hampshire
Excellent! At last, a pro.
> and I have been to many
> "serious" accidents. I have been to a number of them where the person might
> have lived if they had been helped by someone with 'a few hours training'.
> Sure I have the skills and equipment to help with serious trauma etc. but
> any human being requires three things to maintain life namely Airway,
> Breathing and Circulation and these can all be maintained by a person with a
> 'few hours training'. I can't save a corpse, give me a live patient though
> and I'll have a go.
>
> In Hampshire we do a 1 day course for bikers through the Bikesafe scheme
> which includes the A.B.C's and also helmet removal (when to and how to etc.)
> It's cheap at about £25 for a whole day. It's run by Trauma Doctors and
> Paramedics and includes a bit on staying upright from thr Police guys.
>
> It's a fact that no person ever has been successfully sued for attempting to
> save the life of another individual. If you act in their best interests and
> don't rob them whilst you are laying there you are o.k. People have been
> sued, however, for with-holding help.
Excellent post, many thanks.
I knew we'd get there in the end.
Bear
> tallbloke wrote:
> > "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in
> > news:3fbvb2F...@individual.net:
> >
> >> Good question, but personally I couldn't not do something in a
> >> situation like that for fear of being sued.
> >
> > The nurse stood more chance of being sued than you. She has
> > professional training and may be liable for fuckups.
>
> I had a nurse attempt to sue me once - she claimed she'd suffered 'nervous
> shock' from witnessing an accident I was involved in.
I've shocked a few nurses in my time.
But enough of my hobbies.
Tosspot
> In article <3fbt2bF...@individual.net>, Buzby says...
<snip>
>>So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
>>public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made any
>>difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's around
>>the corner and in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
>>be much better prepared.
>
>
> Er ... doesn't that accident prove that, basically, there's not a great
> deal one can do if the event occurs? I mean, you could have been Dr
> Kildare, but I doubt you'd have been able to do very much for those 2
> poor sods.
>
> I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
> bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
> medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
> wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
> on ... anyone know, out of interest?
I think the point he is making is not one of this particular incident,
just accidents in general, that is, he could have made the difference,
but at the moment, he can't.
Interestingly, first aid is a cumpulsory part of the German driving
license. Accident on the road, *everyone* has some first aid training.
Good idea imho.
Bear
>
> "Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wibbled in message
> > > Erm - A4030 - know it very well - whereabouts?
> >
> > Coo, I missed that. I like that road. Not for the foolish, though.
> >
> > PS, Yer sig sep's fucked.
>
> Cnut! ;o)~
>
> Look - I'm a newbie - OK?
So either a) get a newsreader that works or b) cut back on the amount of
stuff in your sig.
We'll have to wait a while before Ace turns up and starts arguing that
all newsreaders should support non- or near-standards, so in the
meantime, fancy a coffee?
Monkey
> Monkey said:
>> I had a nurse attempt to sue me once - she claimed she'd suffered
>> 'nervous shock' from witnessing an accident I was involved in.
>
> Was that the midwife at your birth?
Heh! Nah - the litigation culture wasn't invented then. Otherwise quite
possibly.
BGN
wrote:
>So... who is up for helping to arrange a UKRM "First Aid at Scene of
>RTA" day? If it's just a few hours work, I don't see why it can't be
>held in an afternoon at a meeting, such as EoSM, before everyone gets
>pissed?
...I'll take that as a no then.
Nevermind, I thought it was a good idea.
Bear
says...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 18:28:39 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I honestly don't mean that to sound harsh, just that, if an accident's a
> >bad one, surely the people are going to require decently equipped
> >medical attention, not someone who's had a few hours training? I'm also
> >wondering what the legal position is if you render aid and it's not bob-
> >on ... anyone know, out of interest?
>
>
> 1. if trained first aiders aren't much cop then why is it a legal
> requirement to have them for offices / buildings with more than 50
> people in them?
I was thinking of the trauma accidents of RTAs, not office stuff, but
yes, good point.
> 2. I noticed while sitting in the surgery waiting room this week that
> there was a poster saying that most heart attacks happen at home and
> that it was strongly recommended that people learn CPR to be able to
> take immediate action if someone did have a heart attack. The main
> point was increasing the victim's chance of survival until "proper" help
> arrived.
>
> Plenty of good sense spoken by others in the thread.
Indeed. I was merely, as always, trying to get at the truth ... the
difference between those who actually know (like PeteH and MattG), and
those who appear to be bluffing is scary, especially if it's one of the
bluffers who stops the next time you or I are in a car/bike crash.
joe parkin
bastard...@gmail.com says...
> I'm not "wrong" because I'm merely asking, not telling, but I'm thinking
> back to something I heard JP said once about how many people in crashes
> he's been able to help; he's got shedloads of 1st aid experience, and
> the number isn't as high as you'd think, given that he's generally 1st
> on scene.
>
Considering the plod arrived after 40 minutes, nothing they can offer
will be much help to the injured.
Anyone happening on an accident can help, even if just a little bit
with reassurances, for the victim.
--
joeparkinchineseatbtinternetdotcom
Bear
> Buzby wrote:
> >>
> >> That whole road's a life taker ... it's one of the reasons I like it;
> >> it's so interesting and varied. And, for my trainspotter badge, is it
> >> not the B4030, not an A-road?
> >
> > Could well be - good road though and doesn't suffer fools gladly
>
> http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/roads/safer-rider/road-info3.htm
Plod doing pace notes now? Splendid ... about time we got something for
our money.
wessie
>
> So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
> public that don't cost a fortune? I don't think it would have made
> any difference in this case, but as this proved, you never know what's
> around the corner and in the event of anything like this happening
> again I want to be much better prepared.
>
This company does "first on scene" training for bikers
http://www.rubiconsolutionsuk.co.uk/newsdesk/archives/motorcyclist_first_aid_forthcoming_dates
I got the link from another bike forum. They are used by a number of bike
clubs, IAM etc.
The cheapest way to get training is through your employer. Why not volunteer
to become a first aider?
My ex-employer sent me on a 1 day resuscutation course as I worked in an
electronics test environment. Although my StJ certification has expired I'd be
confident of doing the most approporiate thing before the pro's arrived.
--
BMW R1150GS
muddycat
"Monkey" <mon...@surfREMOVEbum.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> tallbloke wrote:
> > "dwb" <parc_e...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in news:3fbu9dF70e19U1
> > @individual.net:
> >
> >> correct way to get a helmet off for instance
> >
> > There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.
>
> Err... there is actually - I was taught it on a course a few years back, but
> I'm buggered if I can remember the finer points. Ideally it involves two
> people, one to support the neck, and one to slowly remove the lid. If you're
> out in a rural area, and they've stopped breathing, they're almost certainly
> going to die before an ambulance arrives. Therefore you're better off
> removing the helmet and risking a spinal injury, than you are just standing
> there watching them die.
I don't remember much of what happened, but there were two of them that
removed mine. The shoved something under my neck, cut the chin strap and
then one chap stuck his hands inside the helmet as far as he could. The
other chap spread the helmet and slowly began removing it. As it came
off the guy that had my head supported began inching his hands farther
back till the helmet was off. Then the cunts taped my head to the
backboard and cut the rest of my gear off.
--
Mike
Testing the limits of gravity since 1947
SV650 UKRMMA#22
Skype: muddycat
'Hog
news:MPG.1cfaea89d...@news.individual.de...
<\homer simpson>
Mmmmmm nurses
</homer simpson>
'Hog
BGN
wrote:
>I don't remember much of what happened, but there were two of them that
>removed mine. The shoved something under my neck, cut the chin strap and
>then one chap stuck his hands inside the helmet as far as he could. The
>other chap spread the helmet and slowly began removing it. As it came
>off the guy that had my head supported began inching his hands farther
>back till the helmet was off. Then the cunts taped my head to the
>backboard and cut the rest of my gear off.
Same thing happened to me last month. I remember that they took about
ten minutes taking my helmet off, with three of them at it.
Iain Ogilvie
<snippety snip>
> We'll have to wait a while before Ace turns up and starts arguing that
> all newsreaders should support non- or near-standards, so in the
> meantime, fancy a coffee?
<fx puts kettle on>
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Iain ANORAK#02
With shorter sig ;o)
Tosspot
> Kevin Stone <newsa...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Bear wrote:
>>
>>>Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no
>>>tools or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15
>>>minutes or so it'll take an ambulance to get there.
>>
>>Bleeding from various arteries.
>>Punctured lungs.
>>Boat loads of injuries which require the recovery position.
>>Heart attack.
>>
>>I imagine there are loads actually.
>
>
> Out of interest, what do you do to someone who's suffering a heart
> attack? Apart from rifle through their pockets?
If you knew what you were doing, I'd imagine mouth to mouth and a bit of
thumping followed by a bloody quick phone call to someone with a
defibriallator(sp?).
Failing that, oral sex.
porl
"dwb" <parc_e...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fbu9dF...@individual.net...
> I'm still thnking of doing a more bike orientated one - things like the
> correct way to get a helmet off for instance - it's somethign I'd like to
> know,
Still having problems, eh?
Bear
>
> "Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cfaebd41...@news.individual.de...
> <snippety snip>
> > We'll have to wait a while before Ace turns up and starts arguing that
> > all newsreaders should support non- or near-standards, so in the
> > meantime, fancy a coffee?
>
> <fx puts kettle on>
I'm going to lob the stove top espresso on, if you'd like one.
> --
> Iain ANORAK#02
> With shorter sig ;o)
Thank you, much appreciated; there is apparently a fix (Quotefix?) if
you want to keep using the pile of shite that is IE, but there are many
better (free!) clients available; I like Gravity, but that's just me,
lots of others like Xananews (which is worked on by several folk
hereabouts), or there's FreeAgent, to name but three.
tallbloke
news:6qm191dt84pk71jah...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:56:13 +0100, BGN <nickm...@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>>So... who is up for helping to arrange a UKRM "First Aid at Scene of
>>RTA" day? If it's just a few hours work, I don't see why it can't be
>>held in an afternoon at a meeting, such as EoSM, before everyone gets
>>pissed?
>
> ...I'll take that as a no then.
>
> Nevermind, I thought it was a good idea.
>
We could use W.C. as the victim.
He'll prolly be half unconscious by then anyway...
--
tallbloke
Tasmin350i MatchlessG80
BONY#1 DIAABTCOD#8 OSOS#27 SKA#3
muddycat
BGN <nickm...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:25:33 -0700, muddycat <muddy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't remember much of what happened, but there were two of them that
> >removed mine. The shoved something under my neck, cut the chin strap and
> >then one chap stuck his hands inside the helmet as far as he could. The
> >other chap spread the helmet and slowly began removing it. As it came
> >off the guy that had my head supported began inching his hands farther
> >back till the helmet was off. Then the cunts taped my head to the
> >backboard and cut the rest of my gear off.
>
> Same thing happened to me last month. I remember that they took about
> ten minutes taking my helmet off, with three of them at it.
Not fun, innit. I lost my Freddie Spencer replica. But still I got a
nice new shiny black Shoei to replace it.
--
Mike
SV650
UKRMMA#22
Skype: muddycat
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> saying
something like:
>So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
>public that don't cost a fortune?
Local colleges, Red Cross, your local ambulance brigade all may point
you in the right direction.
--
Dave
GS850 x2 XS650SE / SE 6a
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>Go on then; name 3 injuries that are treatable at roadside with no tools
>or equipment, but will become serious faster than the 15 minutes or so
>it'll take an ambulance to get there.
Puncture wounds, deep cuts, choking.
That's just a start. Any of those could lead to death before the ambies
arrive.
Grimly Curmudgeon
saying something like:
>Loosen clothing around neck
>
>clear airways
>
>look for drugs in the car/bike luggage
Too fucking right. After seeing the aftermath of road carnage, a good
toke is in order.
Boots Blakeley
>On my way out to see friends last night come round a corner to find a Fiesta
>had just left the road, flipped and hit a tree sideways hard.
>........
>[1]. One of the girls died [the drivers girlfriend] whilst we were there,
>and according to the Janitorial types who just called me, the other is
>critical and unlikely to make it. The driver was completely unscathed.
>
>So, any recommendations for any first aid courses that are open to the
>public that don't cost a fortune?
St. Johns Ambulance, you may find your employer runs a scheme so that
there is a certain percentage of trained first aiders on site.
>in the event of anything like this happening again I want to
>be much better prepared.
Even so you may find you freeze, to my continuing shame just weeks
after an oxygen administration course when presented with a situation
where I *knew* what to do I did nothing for ~60 seconds only springing
into action when a passing GP asked if any one else had any training.
Mine dew in the situation you quote it would seem that only Jesus
could have saved the day.
--
Ian
"Democracy, what we need - Kakistocracy what we've got"
The FAQ is here http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html
98 FZS600, 72 T120R MIB#21 TWA#6 COSOC#12
The Older Gentleman
<snip>
>
> Indeed. I was merely, as always, trying to get at the truth ...
Right
> the
> difference between those who actually know (like PeteH and MattG), and
> those who appear to be bluffing is scary, especially if it's one of the
> bluffers who stops the next time you or I are in a car/bike crash.
ISTR covering the Good Samaritan position in law school about 25 years
ago. Frightening that tat stuck in the memory and all the useful
(lucrative) stuff like Land Registration and Probate didn't.
Blimey. One of those rare occasions when I *know* I've not posted a
complete load of bollocks.
Who are the bluffers, then? Show of hands? Come on, you know who you
are....
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