Motorhome weights
Gerry Harris
Recently bought a CI Motorhome based on a Fiat Ducatto chassis.
The weight plate shows 4 weights
3200KG
4000KG
1650KG
1750KG
but no labels to show what the weights mean.
What are the meanings?
Cheers
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Gerry Harris
Dario Osaris
Gerry Harris wrote:
> ... CI Motorhome based on a Fiat Ducatto chassis.
> The weight plate shows 4 weights
> 3200KG
> 4000KG
> 1650KG
> 1750KG
> but no labels to show what the weights mean.
> What are the meanings?
usualy it愀:
> 3200KG weight of empty vehicle
> 4000KG total gros weight shure about that value?
> 1650KG max load on front axle
> 1750KG max load on rear axle
in most cases the sum of front and rear axle limit is above
gros weight. The lower value applies.
This is unusual.
> Cheers
Dario
Dario Osaris
Gerry Harris wrote:
> ... CI Motorhome based on a Fiat Ducatto chassis.
> The weight plate shows 4 weights
> 3200KG
> 4000KG
> 1650KG
> 1750KG
> but no labels to show what the weights mean.
> What are the meanings?
usualy it愀:
3200KG weight of empty vehicle
(incl weight of driver, filles gas bottles, water tank 90% filled)
Gerry Harris
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"Dario Osaris" <dos...@tm1.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for the info. Checked the numbers again and they are correct.
How do I find the max weight that I can tow? I intend towing a largish box
trailer.
Cheers
Gerry Harris
Mike
>
...snip
> usualy it愀:
> 3200KG weight of empty vehicle
> (incl weight of driver, filles gas bottles, water tank 90% filled)
> 4000KG total gros weight shure about that value?
> 1650KG max load on front axle
> 1750KG max load on rear axle
>
> in most cases the sum of front and rear axle limit is above
> gros weight. The lower value applies.
> This is unusual.
The VIN plate on my Hymer CampSwing defines the four values as:
3200 Kg maximum permissible gross weight
4000 Kg maximum permissible gross weight of vehicle with trailer (i.e. max
train weight)
and axle weights as above.
Hence max towed weight is 800Kg
Mike
Gerry Harris
"Mike" <mike.e...@NOSPAM.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:01:37 +0100, Dario Osaris wrote:
>
snip
>
> The VIN plate on my Hymer CampSwing defines the four values as:
>
> 3200 Kg maximum permissible gross weight
> 4000 Kg maximum permissible gross weight of vehicle with trailer (i.e. max
> train weight)
> and axle weights as above.
>
> Hence max towed weight is 800Kg
>
> Mike
>
Thanks for the clarification.
800Kg isn`t very much. I shall have to be very carefull as to what I put in
the trailer :-(
Cheers
Knut Grøneng
Eurochassi) it might be the same as on a standard van.
If the frame is extended you usually ends with the low 800 kg limit for
trailer.
If it is a ALKO chassi, you will usually find that on the nameplate together
with the weights.
Knut
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Bob Douglas
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Gerry,
as per previous posting from Mike (and using terminology that has now been
superseded, but doesn't change the meaning).
3200KG is the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW now Maximum Authorised Mass) which
is the maximum all-up weight of the vehicle solo (but loaded). 3200kg is a
fairly standard, non-upgraded GVW for a Ducato.
4000KG is the Gross Train Weight (GTW), which is the maximum, all-up weight
of the vehicle and any trailer, (both loaded).
1650KG is the maximum front axle weight
1750KG is the maximum rear axle weight (the sum of these is normally more
than the GVW to allow some margin in how the vehicle is loaded).
None of these limits can be legally exceeded.
With a 'van loaded to the legal maximum, the heaviest tow load is 800KG,
but, in reality, the weight you can tow is likely to be affected by how
close to the GVW the 'van is loaded, since (I think) any margin below the
3200KG can be traded against the GTW figure.
Also be aware that trailers over certain weights (can't remember what
off-hand), need to be braked, and also the nose-weight of a trailer is
likely to play mainly on the rear-axle loading, which can be a problem with
a heavily loaded van.
Bob
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just motorhomes....
The limit for unbraked trailers is 750 kgs Maximum plated weight Provided
that the KERB weight of the towing vehicle is at least double the trailers
maximum gross weight..
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Gerry Harris
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To add to my confusion the weights I quoted are from the CI motorhomes plate
inside the cab.
I now find there is a Fiat plate under the bonnet which has the following
figures:-
3180
4780
1650
1750
The main difference is the 2nd figure, GTW which would indicate a higher
towing capacity.
Which one do I use.
Cheers
Gerry Harris
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Bob Douglas
> To add to my confusion the weights I quoted are from the CI motorhomes
plate
> inside the cab.
> I now find there is a Fiat plate under the bonnet which has the following
> figures:-
> 3180
> 4780
> 1650
> 1750
> The main difference is the 2nd figure, GTW which would indicate a higher
> towing capacity.
> Which one do I use.
> Cheers
> Gerry Harris
>
Without looking at the plates (my 3500kg GVW van has been replated to 3850,
and carries two plates 'vehicle' plates - though it also has a confusing
coachbuilders plate as well) I don't know which way I'd jump (the GTW figure
is the key one you wish to understand I suspect). (I'm happy with my
situation since the replating was the last thing done and is recorded on my
V5)
I think I'd look at the V5 (vehicle registration document) to see if the GVW
is recorded.
That would give you a hint as to which plate was relevant. (3180 or 3200)
If its any use, the GTW on my Fiat Ducato Maxi is 5100Kg! (which is way
above your lowest figure - which looks somewhat low to me).
Not a definitive answer I fear.
Gerry Harris
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"Bob Douglas" <b...@douglas66.nobumffreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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The V5 has the revenue weight as 4900KG Gross !!!
Cheers
Gerry Harris
Bob Douglas
Bl**dy H*ll it gets worse. :-)
I'll go off and check my V5 for which field this is.....when the bottle is
empty!
The following may start some hares running that would best be left alone.
However, if this relates to the GVW, then anything above 3500kg should
attract a higher rate of vehicle excise duty (only 5 or 10 UKP at the
moment - can't remember which) as it is classed as private heavy goods,
rather than private light goods.
In addition, vehicles above 3500kg require certain conditions on driving
licences and health (post 1997 passing test requires extra qualification -
'grandad rights' apply up to 7.5 tonnes if you passed before), and things
such as diabetes probably disqualify. In addition, speed limits hit you in
Europe above 3500Kg.
For what it is worth, I would have presumed the values on your Fiat plate
apply. Certainly the GTW figure on there coincides roughly with my Fiat
manual. In most EU countries, break points on various laws occur at 3500kg,
which leads to manufacturers limiting their output to that weight, but
people replate above (utilising specialist firms) and accept the
consequences and limits.
Seriously, once I've checked the v5 field on mine I'll repost, since this
does not look right (and has possible consequences).
Bob
Bob Douglas
Gerry,
The V5 revenue weight field coincides with the one where mine is quoted as
3850kg.
It isn't used on the v5 for my car (I can't remember whether it was filled
in for my previous sub-3500kg motorcaravan, but think it was)..
I'm sorry if this causes some concern, but my previous comments apply.
If this is a standard sized motorcaravan, I would expect the quoted revenue
weight to be less than 3500kg, and from your data around 3200kg. (I wouldn't
expect 4900kg on anything but the largest tag-axle alko conversion on the
Ducato)
4900Kg revenue weight invites the higher VED, and the restrictions detailed
in my previous note.
You might want to check whether the taxation class on the V5 is Private
Heavy Goods (as it should be with that revenue weight) or Private Light
Goods. If it is PLG then IMO you have an inconsistent V5.
There has been much correspondence in newsgroups and magazines about the
incorrect registration of vehicles, and the inability of the DVLA to cope
with motorcaravans, so if yours is wrong, you won't be alone. Certainly
taxing ours as PHG at the local PO proves 'interesting', and the issues over
when motorcaravans should be MOT tested (they line up with cars, regardless
of weight) are legion.
I'm sure others may post on your comments, but if I were you, I would
consult my local vehicle licensing office and seek to correct or at least
agree the V5.
Working at arms length its easy to start people worrying, so apologies if
this is so.
From what you've posted, I can't give definitive opinion, but my best guess
is that the underbonnet Fiat plate applies to all weights and the V5 is
suspect (as far as weights are concerned).
Gerry Harris
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"Bob Douglas" <b...@douglas66.nobumffreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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The tax disc says "private heavy goods vehicle"
The vehicle was originally registered in Guernsey, I found a weighbridge
ticket, from Guernsey, with a weight of 3270KG.
The vehicle was imported into the UK in 1992.
The dealer I bought it from is of the opinion that the V5 is wrong, when he
retaxed for selling his local post office wouldn`t retax it, he had to go to
the local taxation office.
They agreed that the V5 was wrong but they couldn`t change it. It would have
to be done "elsewhere" so he taxed it as per the V5.
I bought the vehicle, which is a LHD, for use in Spain.
We are moving to Spain at the end of this month.
When I am in Spain I intend to get it reregistered as a Spanish vehicle.
I anticipate that this could get very interesting!
Cheers
Gerry Harris
Bob Douglas
> Hi Bob
> >
> > --
> The tax disc says "private heavy goods vehicle"
> The vehicle was originally registered in Guernsey, I found a weighbridge
> ticket, from Guernsey, with a weight of 3270KG.
> The vehicle was imported into the UK in 1992.
> The dealer I bought it from is of the opinion that the V5 is wrong, when
he
> retaxed for selling his local post office wouldn`t retax it, he had to go
to
> the local taxation office.
> They agreed that the V5 was wrong but they couldn`t change it. It would
have
> to be done "elsewhere" so he taxed it as per the V5.
> I bought the vehicle, which is a LHD, for use in Spain.
> We are moving to Spain at the end of this month.
> When I am in Spain I intend to get it reregistered as a Spanish vehicle.
> I anticipate that this could get very interesting!
> Cheers
> Gerry Harris
>
Gerry,
I wish you luck......certainly my Spanish wouldn't be up to it!
I'm still assumnig this is not a juggernaut, so I would have thought the
weighbridge ticket you have would have been the laden weight (a bit over the
limit....illegal....but not uncommon), not the unladen.
In this country, the main effect of being over 3500kg GVW is the small
amount of extra road tax, and the fact you can't legally drive it if you
passed your test after '97 and haven't taken a supplementary test, or have
health restrictions.
Speed limits are based on unladen weights for motorhomes in the UK, and it
is likely you will be treated as a car.
On the continent however (not sure of Spain) many other things come in at
3500kg GVW - big changes in speed limits (e.g. no more than 80kph in many
countries) and in taxes and tolls.
It is probably worth sortng out, If your Spanish is up to it, and you're
starting from scratch, it may be best to leave until after the move. If
they're gonig to rely on historical documents to re-register, it may be best
to do here.
I wouldn't expect a Post Office to fix it, but I would expect the central
organisaton to be able to - phot or whatever of the vehicle plate (the FIAT
one)?