Locomotive Plans...
Alan Ashby
plans for scratchbuilding.
I realise that Railway Modeller publishes various plans every month. Is
there a list of these plans available so that I can order back issues?
I have the address of Isinglass Models, but their plans are limited to LNER
prototypes. Can anyone suggest any other good sources, particularly for
Skinley plans?
The plans which I am particularly looking for are Brittania, 9F, Bullied
Light Pacifics and Austerity 2-8-0s.
Thanks in advance
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Alan Ashby
A Bridgeman-Sutton
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Alan
One thing I would be cautious about is the accuracy and usability of Skinley
blueprints. For their day they were good but their day was a while ago.
Now you haven't said what scale you are working in, but the combination of
"realtively new to the hobby", scratchbulding and the types you have listed
don't seem to fit well. All fo these are quite complex subjects, and using
any of these as a fisrt or even second or third attempt would seem likely to
result in frustration and a change of hobby. This come from bitter
experience, my first scratchbuild was a narrow guage pacific NZR class Ab),
and it took something like five years to finish to a standard where I was
happy with it. I didn't have the choice of a kit or RTR model to kitbash at
that stage so I damn well had to scratchbuild.
If you particularly want to scratchbuild, then I'd really suggest that you
go for something less complex - inside cylinders (or at least inside valve
gear), round top firebox and a continuos footplate are very helpful in
lining up the work.
The combination of boiler hung running boards, taper boilers and outside
gear make most of your selections quite problematic subjects even for
experienced builders. Even the can around an unrebuilt Bulleid has some
rather awkward shapes that need panel beating skills of quite a high level.
HTH
Aidrian
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Alan Ashby
should have pointed out that I'm not actually going to build *real* models
of these subjects. They will be *virtual* 3D models in a computer graphics
package called trueSpace.
I've completed Schools class and Prairie tank models from the plans in
Railway Modeller, with a Black 5 and Class 37 diesel almost complete. If
anyone is interested in seeing the results, please let me know. If binaries
are acceptable on this group, I will post them here. If not, suggest a
viable group and I will post them there.
I know it's a little out of the ordinary.... ! I started (as do most
people) by building spaceships from Star Trek and the like. However, I
wanted to build something that was real and a little more of a challenge. I
noticed a copy of Railway Modeller on the shelf at my local newsagent....
and now I'm hooked !!!
Alan Ashby
Paul Franklin
Why don't you post to alt.binaries.pictures.rail ?
Alan Ashby
as Paul recommends.
Please feel free to let me know what you think.
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Alan Ashby
Jim Guthrie
<ajaximag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Alan,
>I'm rather new to the hobby and I am trying to find a source of locomotive
>plans for scratchbuilding.
>
>I realise that Railway Modeller publishes various plans every month. Is
>there a list of these plans available so that I can order back issues?
You might have a look at the BRMNA web site which has an index of
articles in the British model railway magazines :-
http://www.magi.com/~brmna/xrefs.htm
You could also try contacting the NRM in York which holds the archive
of the official drawings of locomotives from pre-grouping days.
Jim.
Roger Jones
> For anyone who is interested, I'll post them to alt.binaries.pictures.rail
> as Paul recommends.
>
George
useful to a dummy like me who has difficulty getting plans the right way
up! But what software would we need to read the files? Expensive huh?
george
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Alan Ashby
version (tS4) retails at about Ł600. However an earlier version (tS2) is
available on magazine cover disks.
All the pics that I've done were created in tS2 as I don't need the advanced
animation facilities in the latest version.
I think an interesting project would be to build models of locos that no
longer exist, for instance the Grange class... any other suggestions ?
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Alan Ashby
Paul Franklin
No it shouldn't be too expensive. A lot of the magazines give away old or
trial versions which you can upgrade if you like it.
On the other hand the programs like Lightwave and 3D Studio Max, which are
used for most of the films, are very expensive about £2k and £3k
respectively!!
For a Truespace demo try http://www.caligari.com
Paul
Jonathan Hall
>
> I'm rather new to the hobby and I am trying to find a source of locomotive
> plans for scratchbuilding.
>
> I realise that Railway Modeller publishes various plans every month. Is
> there a list of these plans available so that I can order back issues?
>
> prototypes. Can anyone suggest any other good sources, particularly for
> Skinley plans?
>
> The plans which I am particularly looking for are Brittania, 9F, Bullied
> Light Pacifics and Austerity 2-8-0s.
peco did a small booklet with some of the plans reduced to 2mm scale and
a list of the drawings that Ian Beattie had drawn up to that date
(1994ish) I have OCR'd and then cleaned up the list but the print was
quite small so there may be a number of errors.
BR ALI/81 Be B. December 1991
BR AL2/82 Be B. April 1994
BR Class 08 & 13 July 1990
BR Class 20 Bo-Bo June 1993
BR Class 33 Bo-Bo October 1992
BR Class 46 1-Co C.-1 January 1994
BR Class 50 Co-Co April 1990
BR Class 52 Western C-C December 1989
BR Fell DM 10100 August 1991
BR Standard Class 4 2-6-4T July 1991
BR Standard Class 4 4-6-0 December 1990
BR Standard Class 5 4 6 0 September 1989
BR Standard Class 8P 4 6-2 July 1987
BR Standard Class 9F 2 1 0-0 April 1988
English Electric Gas Turbine GT3 April 1991
Festiniog Double Fairlie November 1992
Furness. NI 4-6-4T January 1991
GCR Director 4 4 0 February 1991
GCR Robinson. 8B 4-4^2 June1989
GCR/ROD Robinson. 2 8-0 June 1985
GER Claud Hamilton 4-4 0 August 1989
GER Decapod 0 1 O^OWT December 1993
GER J69 0 6 OT March 1988
GNR 4-4 2' Henry Oakley' (Clondikes) August 1985
GNR N2 0 6-2T September 1982
GSWR Whitelegg 4-6-4T February 1988
GWR 1361 Class 0-6 OST August 1987
GWR 1500 Class 0-6 OPT April 1985
GWR 2251 0-6-0 November 1989
GWR 47@ 2-8-0 February 1986
GWR 56166@ 0-6 2T May 1984
GWR 72@ 2-8-2T May 1991
GWR 93@ 2-6-0 April 1992
GWR. B== 2-4-0 May 1988
GWR Comfy Tank 4 4 2T October 1984
GWR Dean Goods 0 6 0 November 1983
GWR Large Prairie 2 6 2T August 1993
HR Jones Goods 4 6 0 May 1986
HR Small Ben 4 4 0 February 1989
Irish NG Clogher Valley (C&VBT No. 4) 0-6^2T May 1985
Irish NG Cork & Mwkey'Bl=ey' February 1985
Irish NG. Cork, Blac@.ck & Pwsage 2 4^2T Modelling Irish NG
Irish NG County Donegal 2-6-4T December 1988
Irish NG County Donegal.] 4-4^T'Greyhmds' July 1986
Irish NG County Donegal Drewry railcar February 1987
Irish NG County Donegal Railcars 4, 7 & 8 September 1987
Irish NG County Donegal Railcar 10 (CVR 1) November 1987
Irish NG County Donegal Railcars 12, 16-18 December 1987
Irish NG County Donegal Railcars 1 9 & 20 January 1988
Irish NG Lough Swilly (L&BER) 4-8-4T December 1984
Irish NG Lough Swilly 4-6-2T August 1985
Irish NG Schufl & Skibereen 4 4 0 'E,i. ' January 1986
Irish NG West Clare 2^6-2T October 1986
Irish NG West Clare Bo-Bo June 1985
Isle of Man Beyer, Peacock 2-4-OT May 1993
LBSCR Billinton Class K 2-6 0 July 1984
LBSCR Billinton Class L 4 6-4T 'Remembrance' November 1993
LBSCR Gladstone 0-4-2 March 1987
LBSCR Marsh Class JI 4 6-2T December 1982
LBSCR Marsh I1 & 13 4 4-2TS August 1990
LBSCR Stoudley'Terrier'0-6-OT December 1981
LMS 2FO 6-OT July 1986
LMS 2P 4^4-0 December 1984
LMS 4F 0-6-0 & 7F 0-8-0 December 1987
LMS Armstrong Whitworth 0 6 ODE September 1993
LMS Hughes Crab 2-6 0 December 1992
LMS Ivatt 'Mickey Mouse' 2^6^0 April 1982
LMS Royal Soot 4-6-0 (rebuilt) February 1989
LMS Stanier 2-6 0 March 1986
LMS Stanier Pmcess Royal 4-6-2 May 1990
LNER 2-8 0 + 0-8 2 Beyer-Garratt May 1983
LNER D49 4-4-0 October 1987
LNER Ex-GNRJ50 0 6^OT September 1986
LNER GresleyA4 4-6-2 July 1988
LNER GresleyK3 2-6-0 October 1993
LNER GresleyV2 2-6-2 February 1992
LNER J72 0-6-OT October 1990
LNER Peppercorn AI 4 6 2 November 1985
LNER Peppercorn A2 4 6 2 March 1994
LNER Thompson. A2/3 4^6-2 June 1992
LNER Thompson BI 4-6-0 June 1986
LNER Vl/V3 2 6 2T. August 1992
LNER WI 4-6-4 January 1993
LNWR Coal Tank 0-6-2T February 1982
LNWR Crane Shunter 0-4-2ST September 1988
LNWR G l 0-8-0 July 1993
LNWR Precedent 2-4-0 April 1987
LNWR Problem 2-2-2 February 1990
LSWR Adams 02 July 1992
LSWR Adams Radial 4-4^2T August 1983
LSWR Adams T 13 4 4-0 January 1988
LSWR Drumond C14 2-2-OT & K14 0-4-OT July 1989
LSWR M7 Class 0-4-4T June 1982
LSWR Urie H16 4-6-2T December 1988
L&B Baldwin 2-4-2T 'Lyn.' April 1994
L&Y Aspinall 4-4-2 February 1985
L&Y Drednought 4-6 0 February 1987
L&Y Radial 2-4-2T July 1984
MR Big Bertha 0- 1 0 0 September 1990
MR Johnson Spinner 4 2 2 January 1 990
Metopolitan/LT 1200hp electric 'Sarah Siddons' April 1984
NER Gl 4-4-0 November 1988
NER Raven T3 0-8-0 November 1991
NSR Class B 2-4 OT & Class K 4-4-2T December 1986
Pehryn FR Hunslet 0-4-OST April 1993
SDJR 7F 2-8-0 October 1988
SECR Wainwright Class D 4-4-0 M-eh 1984
SECR Wainwright Class H 0^4-4T j@uaq 1989
South Wales Alexandra Docks Barclay 0-6-2ST September 1992
South Wales Alexandra Dock. Hawthom. 0 6-OST November 1990
South Wales Barry Class B 1 0-6-2T November 1987
South Wales Barry Class F 0 6-OST March 1989
South Wales Barry Class G 0-4-4T January 1987
South Wales Barry Class H 0^8-2T November 1986
South Wales Barry Class j 2 4^2T October 1985
South Wales Barry Class L 0-6-4T January 1992
South Wales Brecon & Merthyr Steph@on 2^4-OT March 1993
South Wales Burry Port & G@endraeth Valley No. 10 June 1990
South Wales Burry Port & G@endraeth V.Ry No. 5 May 1989
South Wales Cudiff Ral@ay 0^6^OSTIPT June 1988
South Wales Ilmelli & Myydd Maw ‘Hilda.' July 1986
South Wales Port Talbot Rail@ay 0-6-OST Much 1990
South Wales Rh~ey Clw@ AI 0-6-2T August 1988
South Wales Rhy=ey Class AP 0-6-2T February 1994
South Wales Rh~ey Caws K 0-6-2ST October 1991
South Wales Rhy-ey Cl@ R 0-6-2T December 1985
South Wales Swansea Harbour @wt Pcketi 0-4-OST October 1989
South Wales Taff Vale Class A 0 6 2T June 1987
South Wales Taff Vale Class C 4 4 2T Much 1991
South Wales Taff Vale Class 04 0 6 2T April 1986
SR Bulleid Leader 0 6 6-OT Much 1992
SR Bulleid light 4-6-2 (rebuilt) May 1992
SR Bulleid hght 4-6-2 (rebuilt) April 1989
SR Lord Nelson 4-6 0 February 1993
SR Maunsell Class W 2^6-4T November 1984
SR Maunsell S15 4 6 0 August 1986
SR Q 0-6-0 (origi..I & revis.d dwg) June/October 1991
Talyllyn No. 7 'Tom Rolt' September 1991
WD Austerity 0 6 OST January 1986
WD Big Austerities 2-8-0, 2 1 0-0 June 1983
Yeoman GM cl-. 59 CO-CO October 1986
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Jonathan Hall
Thames Ditton
My railway website is at http://www.jonhall.mcmail.com/Railways.htm
Alan Ashby
appreciated.
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Alan Ashby
Bill Bedford
> Wow! wouldn't a web site full of 3D interpretations of classic locos be
> useful to a dummy like me who has difficulty getting plans the right way
> up! But what software would we need to read the files? Expensive huh?
> george
>
Jpeg?
Or if they are real 3D files an VRML plug in for your browser which can
be had for free
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quantums, I suppose."
Bill Bedford mailto://bi...@mousa.demon.co.uk
Tony Cane
Alan Ashby wrote:
> I'm rather new to the hobby and I am trying to find a source of locomotive
> plans for scratchbuilding.
>
> I realise that Railway Modeller publishes various plans every month. Is
> there a list of these plans available so that I can order back issues?
>
> I have the address of Isinglass Models, but their plans are limited to LNER
> prototypes. Can anyone suggest any other good sources, particularly for
> Skinley plans?
>
> The plans which I am particularly looking for are Brittania, 9F, Bullied
> Light Pacifics and Austerity 2-8-0s.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --
> Alan Ashby
The June 1999 edition of Model Rail had a very good set of drawings for the
Light Bulleid pacifics
Back issues should still be available
Regards
Tony Cane
Tony Clarke
Alan Ashby wrote in message ...
>I'm rather new to the hobby and I am trying to find a source of locomotive
>plans for scratchbuilding.
Ideally what you need is a proper General Arrangement drawing with
DIMENSIONS (which the Model Rail ones don't have) of your chosen loco. That
said, you'll find complete scratchbuilding a bit hair-raising.
Could I suggest you get a feel for it by building one of the Comet
Models chassis kits intended for the Hornby Britannia body as a starter?
That way you'll get a neat finescale model that you can detail and finish
yourself at possibly a bit less than a full-out kit, while appreciating the
considerable effort and care needed to attack such a project "cold" with
just lots of brass sheet. You're certainly taking on a lot to go for a large
tender loco as a first project.
Some of the Wild Swan books are worth study - there's one on building
whitemetal and etched kits and one that covers what I've suggested above.
East Kent Models and Modelspares of Burnley are both good sources for Hornby
and Bachman mouldings with which to start. (My Britannia body, all £1.50
worth, came this morning...)
It goes without saying that you needs plenty of pics from preserved
railways and/or Steam World etc., to reconcile your model as the works
thought they built it, with what actually operated - that's where the real
detail work takes place. In particular, get down to Wansford quick if you
want to snap 70000 Britannia in close-up, as Pete Waterman's moving her to
Crewe for a rebuild real soon...
Tony Clarke